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| Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/7/2006 1:41:07 PM | message detail |
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Seifer essentially serves the same purpose and role in Final Fantasy VIII as Riku does in Kingdom Hearts, for what it's worth. Incidentally, that was the one thing that I noticed and didn't get over for the longest time in the original KH. Until KH: CoM, I used to call Riku 'Seifer-lite'. --- *is Karma Hunter* |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/7/2006 1:51:53 PM | message detail |
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I wouldn't say so much that Seifer's less of a favorite in FFVIII as I
would that Squall a much bigger favorite than Sora is. Riku's close to
Sora because Sora sucks, not because everyone loves Riku. And for the record, I already stated that Seifer will probably end up right below SC2k5 Riku ranks, which is about the same level as 2k3 Yuna. I definitely don't think that pre-KH2 Seifer is a strong as 2k3 Yuna, and I definitely don't think that Seifer today is as strong as Yuna is today. Why wouldn't Seifer be stronger than pre-X-2 Yuna? I think it's fairly clear that we'd see Seifer >= Rinoa > Yuna, considering the relative popularity of FFVIII and FFX and the popularity of Yuna herself. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/7/2006 1:52:34 PM | message detail |
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Rinoa > Yuna? I'm not so sure about that... --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/7/2006 2:00:06 PM | message detail |
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Seifer essentially serves the same purpose and role in Final Fantasy VIII as Riku does in Kingdom Hearts, for what it's worth. Their roles may be the same, yes, but you still don't see as many people talking about how they like Seifer better than Squall as we did people talking about how they like Riku better after KH and CoM. Don't forget that by 2k5, CoM was in full swing and Riku began to grow even more of a fanbase due to Reverse Rebirth. I know we can't definitely say for certain, but I've gotten from the general notion of the KH fanbase that Riku is a much bigger fan favorite than what I've personally seen for Seifer. And KH, Riku 2k4 has no bearing in my argument. I just happened to use Sora's highest value that we have on hand. Even if we don't know know for sure how strong Sora was in 2k5, we definitely have indications. He did have a 55/45 match on Alucard so we have some tangible basis even though Alucard is somewhat screwy himself. But how popular do you think 2k5 Sora is? Squall level? Tifa level? Dante level? I definitely don't think he is at Squall's level, as we're talking pre-KH2 Sora still. Note how I said that it didn't matter what value Riku gets exactly on Sora, it still looks as though Riku is closer to Sora than what I think Seifer would be on Riku. And that's independent of the point that I think that among their separate fanbases, I think Riku is more popular than Seifer is. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/7/2006 2:04:14 PM | message detail |
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Seifer would be on Squall that is... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/7/2006 2:05:12 PM | message detail |
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I do think there could be some validity to the idea that Riku looks
like more of a favorite because Sora is less of a favorite than Squall
is. Riku becomes a favorite because the main character is nothing
special. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/7/2006 2:22:49 PM | message detail |
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I do think there could be some validity to the idea that Riku looks
like more of a favorite because Sora is less of a favorite than Squall
is. Riku becomes a favorite because the main character is nothing
special. Okay? And we've already seen Riku place at a comfortable 22.12%, so it doesn't really matter whether or not the main character was nothing special. Riku is pretty strong in his own rights. You've been bringing up Squall's strength as a reason why Seifer should be fairly strong. I was bringing up Riku's status in popularity among his fanbase because I simply feel that overall, Seifer hasn't done enough to be more popular than Riku was in 2k5. That was the basis of the debate. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 6/7/2006 2:23:35 PM | message detail |
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All this sora bashing; for what it's worth, Sora is one million times
more tolerable in Kingdom Hearts II. I think they actually nailed the
trio really well this time, and it's far less corny overall than
Kingdom Hearts. I'm really excited as to how much Sora might have boosted from Kingdom Hearts II, I think it could be very significant. --- Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/7/2006 2:30:18 PM | message detail |
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But there's also a reason why Riku will be closer to Sora than Seifer
will be to Squall. Besides, we hear/don't hear all sorts of things
(like how many people do YOU personally know that actually prefer Crono
over Magus?), but that doesn't necessarily reflect voting trends. And besides, I fail to see what Riku has done that Seifer hasn't to warrant being more popular, other than seeming to be a more preferred character among his own fanbase, other than perhaps recency (though Seifer does have KHII to his credit). FFVIII arguably has the bigger fanbase in the first place. Either way, Seifer doesn't even have to be at 40% of Squall to be stronger than 2005 Riku. He's only got to be 35%, which I think is manageable. That's where the other FFVII characters are in relation to Cloud. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/7/2006 2:35:56 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, I really don't think KH became really popular by itself until
Chain of Memories, with the continuation of the story and the
revelation of Organization XIII (Final Mix was probably the beginning
of this with the discussion of the "Unknowns" and everything after the
events of KH). That's when the discussion of the game really perked up.
Before that, the only thing people really cared about in the first KH
were the roles of the FF characters. I've said before that KH now has its own separate storyline and characters for fans to get attached to, so it doesn't have to rely on it's Disney roots as much. While KH is basically nothing without its Disney presence, KH2's Disney presence seemed to deter fans from what they really wanted (more Org XIII and storyline continuation). I know I've seen plenty of people commenting on that. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/7/2006 2:37:06 PM | message detail |
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Sora definitely was MUCH better in Kingdom Hearts II. I think he'll benefit nicely from that in 2006. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/7/2006 2:37:29 PM | message detail |
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I'm really excited as to how much Sora might have boosted from Kingdom Hearts II, I think it could be very significant. Indeed! --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/7/2006 2:44:33 PM | message detail |
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That's where the other FFVII characters are in relation to Cloud. You're correlating again... I definitely don't think Seifer has the same relation to Squall as the FFVII characters we've seen have to Cloud. We're talking in circles now though. I just say we drop it. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/7/2006 2:46:52 PM | message detail |
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I'm just saying that the idea makes sense, and it's not like 35% on
Squall should be a difficult feat if he's actually the 2nd strongest
FFVIII character. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/7/2006 2:48:06 PM | message detail |
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I think it's fairly clear that we'd see Seifer >= Rinoa >
Yuna, considering the relative popularity of FFVIII and FFX and the
popularity of Yuna herself. I would take Yuna over both of them, but there's no way at all Rinoa is even near Yuna's level. --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/7/2006 2:49:09 PM | message detail |
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I think he meant 2003 Yuna. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 6/7/2006 2:50:40 PM | message detail |
| 2003 Yuna almost beat Knuckles. No form of Rinoa could ever come close to doing that. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/7/2006 2:51:19 PM | message detail |
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That's somewhat more understandable, but Rinoa's still not ahead of Yuna even then or even that close. She'd only be slightly under the level we're arguing about with Seifer. --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/7/2006 2:56:24 PM | message detail |
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I'm just saying that the idea makes sense, and it's not like 35% on
Squall should be a difficult feat if he's actually the 2nd strongest
FFVIII character. And I think it makes sense that Seifer doesn't have nearly the same relationship with Squall as the other characters we've seen have to their mains, so I'm not expecting him to have the same correlation in contest popularity as Squall. "Second strongest FFVIII character" doesn't really mean that much to me. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 6/7/2006 2:58:50 PM | message detail |
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No form of Rinoa could ever come close to doing that What about Rinoa dressed up in a Link costume? --- "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." ~ Benjamin Franklin |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 6/7/2006 2:59:39 PM | message detail |
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From Shivan Reincarnated Posted 6/7/2006 5:58:50 PM #320 No form of Rinoa could ever come close to doing that What about Rinoa dressed up in a Link costume? ...I'd hit that. --- (|| ' ' ||) Don't you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut, *****! . /|_|\ http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2374/wedding0lk.png |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/7/2006 3:00:13 PM | message detail |
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Well, the only characters we've seen that are in a league of their own
compared to the rest of their series are Link and Samus. Is Squall
worth twice as much as any other character in his game before SFF? I
don't think so. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/7/2006 3:11:42 PM | message detail |
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Tomorrow will mark exactly one month since nominations were posted. Good odds of a bracket being released? --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/7/2006 3:16:04 PM | message detail |
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I think it's safe to say that this can't even be classified as a Spring Contest anymore. --- xyzzy |
| cyko | Posted 6/7/2006 3:22:17 PM | message detail |
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hey - it's still technically spring for two more weeks. --- "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women...." - Homer Simpson |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/7/2006 3:23:23 PM | message detail |
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talk to me when the first match is up in July. :) --- xyzzy |
| Yesmar | Posted 6/7/2006 3:28:01 PM | message detail |
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For what it's worth, I've never played Kingdom Hearts, and I can barely remember hearing of Riku until the last contest. However, I had heard of Seifer before I played FFVIII and knew what general role he played. I know this is only anecdotal evidence, but it's just what I've observed personally. --- "What's wrong with boot blacking? I like it very much." |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/7/2006 3:29:04 PM | message detail |
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No, Ceej is going to reverse the times for nominating and predicting.
One month for nominations, 3-5 days for predicting. Contest starts next
week. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/7/2006 3:55:28 PM | message detail |
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I'm expecting a bracket Friday night. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/7/2006 4:18:27 PM | message detail |
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I'm expecting a bracket WHEN I SEE YOU ALL IN HELL --- *is Karma Hunter* |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/7/2006 4:28:54 PM | message detail |
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I would think both Seifer nowadays and Riku-2k5 wouldn't be all that
far apart, and I'd probably take Seifer over Riku-2k5 head-to-head due
to Sora/Aeris and the idea that FF8 > KH while Seifer is in both. Of
course though, that's flawed logic -- that'd be giving credit to Seifer
for being in KH2 and not doing the same for Riku. So, nowadays, since
KH2 is out...I would be torn, but my gut says Seifer anyway. I'd really like to see that match though, and let the winner face somebody that could be a huge upset...like Master Chief. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/7/2006 6:20:09 PM | message detail |
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I don't know if there is a lot of upset potential with Master Chief. He
barely lost to Frog in 2004. Would anybody expect a rematch between the
two to be close? Now, somebody like, say, Diablo would be good. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/7/2006 6:35:44 PM | message detail |
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Diablo vs. Master Chief would own. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Psycho Kensou | Posted 6/7/2006 7:07:06 PM | message detail |
| 2k6 Seifer vs. 2k6 Riku is a match worth debating (which has already been done). I think I'd prolly chicken out and take Riku, should the match ever happen (I don't expect it to) but something keeps telling me to pick Seifer. I cannot see him below 25% (He does NOT lose to Frog) and I think 27% is quite believeable. That makes the deciding factor; "Do you beleive that Riku fained an extra 3% on Base Link". Frankly, I don't know. |
| Psycho Kensou | Posted 6/7/2006 7:08:08 PM | message detail |
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"Diablo vs. Master Chief would own." Why? MC wins that without trying unless D3 is suddenly dropped on us. |
| dethfdddddh | Posted 6/7/2006 7:09:57 PM | message detail |
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I'm afraid of Seifer's pathetic KH 2 image getting in his way against
Riku. Voters having THAT image in mind isn't something Seifer would
want..... --- Just Got Owned By Guru winner Voltch. |
| Psycho Kensou | Posted 6/7/2006 7:11:44 PM | message detail |
| Then again, come to think of it, maybe not. I have a feeling he may have out done himself on Crono due to bracket voting. Shouldn't matter much, and should even still leave him above Diablo, but it might be closer than I was thinking at first. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/7/2006 7:13:24 PM | message detail |
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I haven't seen KH2 Seifer, but I'm doubting it'd hurt much. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Tiedus | Posted 6/7/2006 7:14:21 PM | message detail |
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Seifer was awesome in KH2, yo. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/7/2006 7:15:30 PM | message detail |
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That only strengthens my belief that he wouldn't be hurt much by it. It's still tough to actually decide who wins that match. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/7/2006 7:47:41 PM | message detail |
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Seifer wasn't as bad in KHII as people are saying. I don't think it'll hurt him. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/7/2006 7:48:11 PM | message detail |
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I don't think it possibly could. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 6/7/2006 10:24:12 PM | message detail |
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Seifer was okay, his lines were childishly amusing, in a funny way. I'm
not sure if we were supposed to take them seriously, I think it was
more a thing of comic relief. How can you not laugh at "We totally
owned you lamers." It makes me chuckle just typing it. --- Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb |
| Mister Mario | Posted 6/7/2006 10:46:13 PM | message detail |
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With Ridley being confirmed for SSBB... Ridley > Diablo, lolz. --- 3rd overall in the "10 Best Games Ever" contest (Score 11/27%). 15th overall in the "Summer 2005 Character Contest" (Score 204). |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/7/2006 10:47:28 PM | message detail |
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With Ridley being confirmed for SSBB... Wait, what? Credible source please? --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| Mister Mario | Posted 6/7/2006 10:48:57 PM | message detail |
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Sakurai himself, on the SSBB website. --- 3rd overall in the "10 Best Games Ever" contest (Score 11/27%). 15th overall in the "Summer 2005 Character Contest" (Score 204). |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/7/2006 10:51:40 PM | message detail |
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Where on the website? I can't find anything. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| Mister Mario | Posted 6/7/2006 10:54:31 PM | message detail |
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On his Japanese blog-type thing. In Japanese. It's been translated by doods, though. --- 3rd overall in the "10 Best Games Ever" contest (Score 11/27%). 15th overall in the "Summer 2005 Character Contest" (Score 204). |
| Mister Mario | Posted 6/7/2006 10:58:50 PM | message detail |
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Or not. Seems it might be fake. D: Hopes and dreams, dashed. --- 3rd overall in the "10 Best Games Ever" contest (Score 11/27%). 15th overall in the "Summer 2005 Character Contest" (Score 204). |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/7/2006 11:02:35 PM | message detail |
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I'm not sure if we were supposed to take them seriously, I think it
was more a thing of comic relief. How can you not laugh at "We totally
owned you lamers." It makes me chuckle just typing it. Isn't this roMANtic? Kneel, loser! Why does just looking at you tick me off? --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |