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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2006 2:17:25 PM | message detail
Indeed it is. I really MIGHT have considered Knuckles as a sexy upset pick if not for the fact that he had ranked below Tidus in 2004 (I believed that Magus was overrated and he couldn't have fallen below where Tidus was). Plus, I'm of the mindset that Knux boosted anyway like Sonic did.
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trannyscience | Posted 6/6/2006 2:19:11 PM | message detail
yeah, I agree with that. Magus didn't fall as far as people thought - he still is projected to get about 47% on Squall and 46% on Vincent; ie, equivalent with Dante. yeah, the Magus > Snake and Sonic talk is all gone, but he's still a pretty nice midcarder.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2006 2:21:03 PM | message detail
Yeah, he's no longer considered a Noble Nine breaker, but he still has some strength.

Still, I would've rather him get flatout embarrassed by Sonic or Snake to expose him since I was always of the impression that they would beat him anyway.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
therealmnm | Posted 6/6/2006 2:24:19 PM | message detail
Nah, Knux beating him was as good as it gets, since everyone pretty much wrote him off.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2006 2:25:43 PM | message detail
Don't get me wrong. Seeing one of my favorite characters ever put Magus in his place was awesome (though I still wanted the personal satisfaction of Squall beating Magus himself), but I would've loved to see Sonic pushing 60% on him and watching the board's reaction.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/6/2006 2:28:45 PM | message detail
Magus got screwed >_>
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trannyscience | Posted 6/6/2006 2:29:28 PM | message detail
nah, the board (or at least the stats topic) knew Magus was somewhat overrated, they just didn't know how much. yeah, some people would have taken Magus, but it would have been like 75% Sonic. getting 0/150 picks is the best way to fall from grace.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2006 2:30:32 PM | message detail
Well, perhaps seeing Snake do it would've been better because I believe Magus would've been the favorite there due to Snake's awful year in 2004.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
trannyscience | Posted 6/6/2006 2:31:59 PM | message detail
Snake? he got beat by Snake fodder! unless he lost to a joke character or a character the board absolutely hates, it was the best thing that could have happened.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/6/2006 2:35:25 PM | message detail
I wouldn't have done it. I think something went screwy in Snake's face blasted in matchup with Mega Man. Seeing Zero directly outperform Snake against Mega Man was a warning sign (I would have hyped up Zero > Snake of course, but I wouldn't have actually taken that pick). The main thing was that bringing Snake up would have brought Master Chief, Liquid Snake, and Frog up even more. But I think that was a different story entirely.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2006 2:36:46 PM | message detail
a character the board absolutely hates

Well, all he had to do was get to the second round...
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
trannyscience | Posted 6/6/2006 2:37:58 PM | message detail
nah, Squall is pretty liked here. look at the board contests that he wins or comes close to winning here. he just has some very vocal detractors.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2006 2:39:54 PM | message detail
More vocal detractors than Knuckles has. I don't know of anybody who openly hates him. When Knux was winning, very few people were upset on the board. Most were going crazy over the upset. It would not have happened with Squall.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
trannyscience | Posted 6/6/2006 2:40:50 PM | message detail
oh, Knuckles is flat-out loved here. the only people that dislike Knuckles are those who can't stand the "Sonic fanboys" we have here. I don't even think Ulti was upset at the result.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2006 2:42:51 PM | message detail
Besides, there still seemed to be plenty of people that Magus could beat Squall and that Knuckles was going to win.

Man, that was annoying.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2006 2:43:20 PM | message detail
That thought Magus could beat Squall, rather.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
therealmnm | Posted 6/6/2006 2:43:51 PM | message detail
The only people that don't like Knuckles are the kiddies new to the series who don't like that Knuckles had "rap" music in the Sonic Adventure games, and instead became Shadow fanboys.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2006 2:44:38 PM | message detail
Yeah, it's bad enough that Nintendo did all of that crap to tarnish Luigi. Now Sega's doing it to Knuckles.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
trannyscience | Posted 6/6/2006 2:44:48 PM | message detail
people here are known to jump on the upset bandwagon. they don't like to be burned twice like that.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/6/2006 2:46:58 PM | message detail
Squall beating Magus would have been a great sight to see.

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trannyscience | Posted 6/6/2006 2:47:03 PM | message detail
http://oraclechallenge.com/archives.php?contest=SC2k5&type=match&match=44

besides, it wasn't like the whole board took Knuckles, just 20% or so.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2006 2:49:24 PM | message detail
They were a loud 20% then, apparently.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
therealmnm | Posted 6/6/2006 2:54:20 PM | message detail
Now Sega's doing it to Knuckles.

Having rap music doesn't tarnish Knux though... <_< It's his personality in the Adventure games that really did it. He just seemed incredibly boring. At least Sonic X pulled it off somewhat correctly.
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Applause Sign | Posted 6/6/2006 4:41:52 PM | message detail
Meh, I'm not a big fan of Knux. Nothing against him, but I don't have a particular fondness for him.

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HaRRicH | Posted 6/6/2006 4:58:17 PM | message detail
oh it's definitely an upset, but not nearly as big outside of board 8 as it is here. the BOP went like 0 for 150, right? 1 in 3 is a lot better than we did, that's for sure.

As far as character contests go, that's still the biggest first-round upset we've ever seen site-wide (it's not behind Vivi/DK in upsetting people like Leonhart said, since 35.13% > 35.08%...they're very even though), and -- as already mentioned -- nobody in the BOP got it right for the first time ever. Given that the people on this board tend to do better than the rest, nobody in the BOP getting it right was a massive blow. Add to it that Magus was expected by many to get to the Elite Eight or Sweet Sixteen, and I dare say it was the most devastating upset since Cloud > Link.
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trannyscience | Posted 6/6/2006 5:02:34 PM | message detail
Halo/Starcraft is the biggest first round upset in my mind. lowest prediction percentage, 1/16, huuuuge votals, better match.. I'll take that one, even though some people saw it coming. again, if we don't have x-stats, that's not a 100% sweep.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/6/2006 5:02:37 PM | message detail
I'll give you the obvious point that our board was much more devastated by Knuckles > Magus than the rest of the site though.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/6/2006 5:03:43 PM | message detail
I tried to stay in context of character battles...though, yes, Halo/Starcraft (and the rest of Starcraft's run as well) was bigger.
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trannyscience | Posted 6/6/2006 5:04:52 PM | message detail
ah, well I'll agree there then, it's the biggest first round upset. I took Vivi and didn't think twice about it, so I never thought of it as much of an upset. I wasn't on the board though until the actual contest started.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/6/2006 5:09:07 PM | message detail
Yeah, I had Vivi too...but purely by being blind; when I found out Vivi was the favorite amongst FF9 fans, I remember immediately switching from DK to Vivi, and I did this knowing nothing else about Vivi. Not even how he looked.

I got lucky that time, heh.
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trannyscience | Posted 6/6/2006 5:16:33 PM | message detail
I just said 'oh, Vivi, GameFAQs, easy win'

in retrospect, had he lost we probably wouldn't have freaked out so much over MH/Kuja and very few people would have taken Vivi over Zelda.
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Applause Sign | Posted 6/6/2006 5:22:58 PM | message detail
MH > Kuja was written on the walls baybee!

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HaRRicH | Posted 6/6/2006 5:36:48 PM | message detail
MH in the house, bay-bee.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/6/2006 5:38:40 PM | message detail
How do you guys think he's going to label these? Final Fantasy (series), Super Mario (series), The Legend of Zelda (series) or some other way? The poll that transience ran made me think of this again!!

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Applause Sign | Posted 6/6/2006 5:40:17 PM | message detail
Mario (Platformer) and the like.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/6/2006 5:41:33 PM | message detail
So ...

The Legend of Zelda vs. Mario (Platformer)?

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Applause Sign | Posted 6/6/2006 5:42:22 PM | message detail
Yep.

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Tai | Posted 6/6/2006 5:44:04 PM | message detail
I like HM's names.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/6/2006 6:19:15 PM | message detail
I took Vivi and didn't think twice about it, so I never thought of it as much of an upset.

Same here. I was surprised that so few people took Vivi.

Heh, I also remember the board's reaction because that was the first match Ulti lost after winning Sp2K4.
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heroic tranny | Posted 6/6/2006 6:23:24 PM | message detail
I would guess Super Mario (series) vs. The Legend of Zelda (series) or something like that. I doubt he'd be much more specific.

if he doesn't put (series) in parentheses though, I'm wondering how people will vote. if you get a picture of Mario vs. Crono, Mario and Chrono as the poll options and Best. Series. Ever. as the poll question, will people vote differently than if it were a character contest?
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/6/2006 6:25:41 PM | message detail
I thought the same thing. I figured he'd just put "series" after the name, if only to be certain people know they're voting for a series and not just a single game or something.

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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/6/2006 6:32:33 PM | message detail
The poll should be labeled "Series Contest" and he'll have a Series Contest banner, if last year is any indication. Unless people don't pay any attention, they should know what they're voting for.
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heroic tranny | Posted 6/6/2006 6:36:29 PM | message detail
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/6/2006 6:37:38 PM | message detail
"The Mario (platformer) series" VS "The Chrono series" would work with me.

If the Mario series does get labeled as "Mario (platformer)", would anybody take it to lose in any upset?
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therealmnm | Posted 6/6/2006 6:40:16 PM | message detail
I'm still weighing that as a factor in my bracket. Like I've said before, I think GTA could potentially beat MGS if people considered them as a series. But if it ends up being a pic of Solid Snake (+Naked Snake/Raiden/Ocelot/Grey Fox) against Vercetti or CJ, I'd almost have to take Metal Gear. I think how the series is represented can play a factor in the results. Hopefully Ceej will take it into detail and make it so the pictures won't be character focused.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/6/2006 6:56:56 PM | message detail
Really, I hope the pictures all end up looking something like the FFVII/OoT one:

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=58

Or this particular CT/FFVII pic:

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=63

At least having pics encompassing the game as a whole vs. having a singular character represent the game. I definitely don't want to have anymore Tidus vs. SSBM type pictures. It all matters on how much Ceej is willing to put into the pictures, or whether or not he will let the pics be user made from the start. I think the users have done a good job of making pics, although they all started looking the same at the end of 2k5.
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Yesmar | Posted 6/6/2006 7:28:59 PM | message detail
I think the users have done a good job of making pics, although they all started looking the same at the end of 2k5.

I hope we get more opportunities for some user-made pictures as well. I had a cool idea for a Mario Vs. Sonic one last year.

Although, I hope we don't get more pics using that same computerish font that showed up during every match last summer.
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ListenToMyStory | Posted 6/6/2006 7:30:23 PM | message detail
Oh, the pictures that were made by the guy at GFASCII? Yeah, they were cool at first, but once you saw them EVERY match, it was rather blah.

Odd that Ceej made complaints about people using cutaways to the eyes too much, and he always used them.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/6/2006 7:34:37 PM | message detail
Just as long as the characters are on the correct sides this year.....
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