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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 287
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| trannyscience | Posted 6/5/2006 7:31:15 PM | message detail |
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that's way too much x-stat slurping for me. I just look at the two
characters, say "hmm, Ryu already beat him 55-45 but Dante's been more
impressive lately... toss-up." --- xyzzy |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/5/2006 7:34:04 PM | message detail |
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I don't know that it's really that much of a toss-up. If Ryu beats
Dante, then Bowser gets close to 60% on him. That means Vincent only
gets about 45% on Bowser. That means Bowser = Crono. That means Snake
> Crono. Mario can tell you that's not true. According to the x-stats. Just because the stats say that Dante should beat Ryu doesn't mean that he will. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 6/5/2006 7:35:11 PM | message detail |
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Man, it's amazing how quick people are to say that those things don't
mean anything. They're not that inaccurate, people...How ELSE do you
determine who wins a match other than comparative matchups? --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/5/2006 7:35:58 PM | message detail |
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I didn't say that they don't mean anything! they just don't mean everything. --- xyzzy |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 6/5/2006 7:36:58 PM | message detail |
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But they're worth considering. At least don't give me this "lol xstats"
crap and disregard what I just said. I got sick of that LAST year. --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/5/2006 7:37:57 PM | message detail |
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when have I ever said lol x-stats? Ryu beat Dante 55-45 in a direct match. --- xyzzy |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 6/5/2006 7:38:29 PM | message detail |
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Why in the world do people not realize when I'm referring to what mnm said? --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/5/2006 7:39:53 PM | message detail |
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It was you saying that if Ryu beats Dante that it means that Bowser =
Crono, and Snake > Crono. We all know that's not true, but it
doesn't mean that Ryu can't beat Dante. It's one thing to use the
x-stats for comparison, it's another to say that something isn't likely
to happen because it would make the x-stats look strange. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/5/2006 7:40:31 PM | message detail |
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I predict Ceej has dropped the Game Series contest and will surprise us with a 128 character battle! >,> It's whatever tho. --- =DC= Chemistry can be a good and bad thing. Chemistry is good when you make love with it. Chemistry is bad when you make crack with it. |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 6/5/2006 7:40:53 PM | message detail |
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And Ryu beat Dante in a direct matchup three years ago. The former's
stock has only gone down since then, while the latter's has only risen. Once again, I don't see Dante getting 46% on Vincent and getting less than 41% on Bowser at the same time. What in the world is wrong with using that sort of logic? Oh right, the stats suck and are ALWAYS wrong. --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/5/2006 7:42:29 PM | message detail |
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Leon, do you think Vivi would still beat DK? it's the same thing, only
you've got the excuse of Master Chief's non-linearity. I think that
match is a tossup as well. --- xyzzy |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 6/5/2006 7:43:04 PM | message detail |
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It's one thing to use the x-stats for comparison, it's another to
say that something isn't likely to happen because it would make the
x-stats look strange. No, it doesn't just make them look strange. It flatout contradicts them. We've got enough of a link through Mario to establish that. --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/5/2006 7:45:05 PM | message detail |
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Vote this one day, vote that another day. lol xstats? --- =DC= Chemistry can be a good and bad thing. Chemistry is good when you make love with it. Chemistry is bad when you make crack with it. |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 6/5/2006 7:46:17 PM | message detail |
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DK's had less time and more ground to make up than Dante did, though I
suppose Vivi was rather unimpressive last year. I'd still take my
chances on Vivi because I see Master Chief as more likely to be flukish
than Bowser or Vincent. --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/5/2006 7:49:14 PM | message detail |
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As of 2k5, Leon is expected to get 47.56% on Ryu. You may factor in the
pic-factor for Solid/Bowser to bring Ryu down, if you like -- I won't,
personally. Then, from there, the PS2's world-wide sales of RE4 in two
months had matched and outdid the sales of RE4 on the GC in a year
(though GC is still ahead of PS2 in American sales for RE4). Not long
after that, RE4 became a Player's Choice game on the GC, selling even
more copies of it. You know RE4 will become a Greatest Hit sooner or
later, too -- I don't know the trends of the Greatest Hits, so I can't
make a guess if it could happen before the next contest or not. So RE4 hasn't matched the same percentage of PS2 owners as GC owners...fine. I'll even chip in against RE4 for a second -- there may already be some Leon fans from the PS2 fanbase if you consider how well-received RE2 was and that it followed the classic RE1. Let me say this though: RE4 still does wonders -- RE1 has been out since March of '96, and REmake (which shared the same name with RE1) came out April of '02. Both were very well received by gamers (and I know critics loved REmake, though EGM didn't dig RE1 for awhile.....), yet look at the Top 100 List...Resident Evil - #53. If RE4 made that many believers in eight months for Leon to be at 25.2% and ten-eleven months for the game to be at #14, then RE4 is GameFAQs's kind of game. Factor in another two million sales on another system just two months later (no matter how many less PS2 fans there are that don't come here) plus whatever's been sold since then... ...yeah, I'd take Leon. Not in a blow-out, but I wouldn't look back. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/5/2006 7:49:23 PM | message detail |
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Vincent had that whole AC thing going on vs. Crono though, which may or may not make him look stronger than he actually is. --- xyzzy |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 6/5/2006 7:53:24 PM | message detail |
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Not an argument I particularly buy. In my opinion, Vincent being where he is makes other characters make more sense. --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/5/2006 7:54:42 PM | message detail |
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I maintain Vincent over-performed against Crono for a variety of
reasons, though I do not want to get into that argument again..... --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| dethfdddddh | Posted 6/5/2006 7:55:26 PM | message detail |
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It makes Magus' fall a lot softer. --- Just Got Owned By Guru winner Voltch. |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/5/2006 7:55:34 PM | message detail |
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a.k.a. Squall. I knew you were going to end up leading to that. =P --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 6/5/2006 7:56:39 PM | message detail |
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Neither do I, but I find plenty of reason to trust Vincent's number, Advent Children or not. --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 6/5/2006 7:59:29 PM | message detail |
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a.k.a. Squall. I knew you were going to end up leading to that. =P More in a way that it makes Kirby's and Luigi's boosts (which were easily the largest, odd for characters who were merely middle of the road before last year) less extreme. Plus, it still holds up my idea that Samus was SFF'd in 2003 all along and not getting some "delayed boost" or whatever. There's more to it than me just wanting Squall as high as he can get. People accused me of that whenever I was making arguments of Magus being overrated as an "excuse" to take Squall over him, but there was certainly more to it than that. --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/5/2006 8:07:18 PM | message detail |
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What was the deal with Bowser/Ryu, anyway? Has anyone come up with any logical reason why Ryu just magically underperformed like hell? --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| LegendaryLocke | Posted 6/5/2006 8:09:40 PM | message detail |
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Well, Ryu wasn't exactly that impressive against Rikku either. Bowser
didn't seem to be the only problem. But why drop after three years of
consistency? Beats me, but Knuckles doesn't beat Magus if he had stayed constant as well, so it's not ALL bad. --- Locke Cole--Winner of the NCAA Character Battle 2005 *steals your underwear* |
| swirIdude | Posted 6/5/2006 8:12:05 PM | message detail |
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If Magus stayed constant, he would've beaten Sonic. --- Xbox 360 melts disks! And people made jokes about the PS3 being a grill. ~bokunokuso |
| LegendaryLocke | Posted 6/5/2006 8:12:55 PM | message detail |
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If Magus wasn't a fluke, that is. --- Locke Cole--Winner of the NCAA Character Battle 2005 *steals your underwear* |
| Heroic Dr Wily | Posted 6/5/2006 8:15:17 PM | message detail |
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I say it was of a bigger nintendo fanbase on the site that caused Ryu
to drop. With all the "SSBM isn't a fighting game disputes" and that
most Nintendo fans haven't played Street Fighter since SF2 Turbo on the
SNES or are too young to have been part of the early ninties craze. And
the fact most of them plain out just hate fighting games. --- Even my explosion is beautiful!~Launch Octopus http://www.mhho.com/Images/Contest/2002/kuri-nmentrywily.jpg |
| Who Cares? | Posted 6/5/2006 8:33:40 PM | message detail |
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I know this may mean very little in the grand scheme, but I still find
it strange that 10k less voters showed up for Bowser/Ryu than
Bowser/Chun-Li --- Nominate Guilty Gear! Let's Rock! |
| LegendaryLocke | Posted 6/5/2006 8:36:14 PM | message detail |
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Boobs = Vote draw *looks at the highest vote totals outside the ToC* 1. Snake/Zelda 3. Ganondorf/Yuna 4. Luigi/KOS-MOS 5. Ryu/Rikku 6. Sonic/Tifa 7. Zelda/Vivi No wonder SC2K4 was such a bust and Samus was such a force. Only four females for the whole contest! --- Locke Cole--Winner of the NCAA Character Battle 2005 *steals your underwear* |
| Who Cares? | Posted 6/5/2006 8:38:32 PM | message detail |
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Heh, that's awesome...time to bring back Morrigan! >_> --- Nominate Guilty Gear! Let's Rock! |
| LegendaryLocke | Posted 6/5/2006 8:41:25 PM | message detail |
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Exactly! TJF isn't dead yet! --- Locke Cole--Winner of the NCAA Character Battle 2005 *steals your underwear* |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/5/2006 8:42:48 PM | message detail |
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Ryu has plenty of reason not to be up where he was a few years ago. I
do think that if there was a rematch with Dante the only way he scores
a decissive victory again is if there is some SFF. Otherwise it'll be
increadibly close. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| LordOfDabu | Posted 6/5/2006 8:43:08 PM | message detail |
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"Has anyone come up with any logical reason why Ryu just magically underperformed like hell?" I don't know about logical, but I'll tell you what I think. Bowser had a really impressive Spring Contest (due to both his seed, lack of competition, and possibly anti-champion votes), making people more likely to have him in their bracket, which means more votes for that character. Same thing happened with Ganondorf. --- "I wish I was uniformly bounded; That is what I'd truly like to be. For if I was uniformly bounded; I would be less than infinity." |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/5/2006 10:21:15 PM | message detail |
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Bowser/Ryu is a sign of one thing: don't **** with Mario Kart. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/5/2006 10:22:44 PM | message detail |
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That was the one time my "bad picture" for the Bad Picture Theme of round 2 got selected, and Bowser owned him with it. Call it fate, I guess. However, if my Diablo or Yoshi pictures had gotten chosen, that would've been something else... --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/6/2006 3:09:53 AM | message detail |
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If you think Ryu disposes of Dante... I feel bad for your bracket. Also, hooray for Ceej being "sick!" --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Tiedus | Posted 6/6/2006 3:12:44 AM | message detail |
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Dante/Ryu would be a pretty tough match for me to pick a winner, personally. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| XIII_rocks | Posted 6/6/2006 4:34:10 AM | message detail |
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Cjay being sick is far too convienient for him, inconvienient for us. --- Sign my petition! Topic ID: 22242738 Beef Jerky, Catgirls, DESU DESU DESU! O_o |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/6/2006 6:12:07 AM | message detail |
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I really hope no one is so self absorbed that they complain about no
bracket because CJayC is sick. One of the major reasons why there was
complaining in the first place is because CJayC wouldn't give us an
update on why it was taking so long. He at least took the time to say
he was sick. Besides, it wasn't a guarantee that we were going to get a bracket yesterday anyway. It's just supposed to come this week, which seems likely unless he's got like one of those crazy sicknesses that puts you in the bed for a week. I really hate those. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| transience | Posted 6/6/2006 9:04:10 AM | message detail |
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I blame the Sony press conference. but yeah, I agree. the whining on here is a bit much for my tastes. I'm sure a contest is low on Ceej's "to do" list, and rightly so. we've got like eight months without a contest; what's another week? --- xyzzy |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 6/6/2006 12:13:05 PM | message detail |
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Too long, am I right?! --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| Tai | Posted 6/6/2006 12:28:14 PM | message detail |
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If Magus stayed constant, he would've beaten Sonic. That's bull****. --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=579987 - Wanna report a TOS violation! Go to Snack Attack and we can help! |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/6/2006 12:39:05 PM | message detail |
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lol tai --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 6/6/2006 1:42:40 PM | message detail |
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Boobs = Vote draw *looks at the highest vote totals outside the ToC* 1. Snake/Zelda 3. Ganondorf/Yuna 4. Luigi/KOS-MOS 5. Ryu/Rikku 6. Sonic/Tifa 7. Zelda/Vivi Is that actually true? If so, that's hysterical/amazing. And he's sick? Okay, that's understandable, but still, you can't blame people for getting antsy. Having the summer contest in the summer is more than just a trite thing; it's a fun experience to actually have it occur when you don't have school going on- it's a lot more enjoyable that way, but, at least he didn't just not care. --- Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 6/6/2006 1:47:19 PM | message detail |
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I don't know about logical, but I'll tell you what I think. Bowser
had a really impressive Spring Contest (due to both his seed, lack of
competition, and possibly anti-champion votes), making people more
likely to have him in their bracket, which means more votes for that
character. Same thing happened with Ganondorf. Hmm... The exact opposite happened with Knux/Magus. Everyone knew Magus was going to win, so they decided to give a pity vote to Knuckles. That's the way I see it. I seem to recall a pre-poll here that showed the majority of people voting for Knuckles. --- - "ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'." - Topaz Kitsune ^5 SOWL IMHO - Explicit Content |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2006 2:04:37 PM | message detail |
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I doubt Knuckles would get ENOUGH pity votes to swing a match with
Magus into his favor. Only on Board 8 would something like that apply. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2006 2:06:46 PM | message detail |
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And yes, that order of total votes is true. Tifa/Luigi is 11th as well. Bowser/Chun-Li is 16th, and Vincent/Kerrigan is 17th. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/6/2006 2:10:35 PM | message detail |
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Bowser > Chun-Li: 88.07% Bowser > Ryu (second round): 64.04% Magus > Knuckles: 64.92% Magus may have been a lock on board 8, but elsewhere this wasn't the case. it wasn't as obvious of a pick as people think. --- xyzzy |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/6/2006 2:11:54 PM | message detail |
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Well, Knuckles is still the 3rd biggest first round upset ever (behind
Halo/StarCraft and Vivi/Donkey Kong), so it was still a big upset. It's
just that the more obvious ones are obvious for a reason. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/6/2006 2:15:19 PM | message detail |
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oh it's definitely an upset, but not nearly as big outside of board 8
as it is here. the BOP went like 0 for 150, right? 1 in 3 is a lot
better than we did, that's for sure. --- xyzzy |