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HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2006 12:02:54 AM | message detail
I voted Matching Colors in today's poll solely for Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine...but which option would Dr. Mario fall under?
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greatone10 | Posted 6/4/2006 12:17:59 AM | message detail
Matching colors I would assume.
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bigkevinm84 | Posted 6/4/2006 12:27:59 AM | message detail
I'm bored..... where's the bracket already? And why nothing on the main page still? Odddddddd.........
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Tiedus | Posted 6/4/2006 1:02:48 AM | message detail
Odds are he isn't going to bother putting nominations up on the front page. No problem with that, really.

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Guess how many teens | Posted 6/4/2006 3:31:56 AM | message detail
Is tomorrow a holiday in USA? It is in Europe <_<..
That would mean no bracket before Wednesday
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/4/2006 3:37:08 AM | message detail
Holiday? I'm going to give that a no.
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ToadYoshi | Posted 6/4/2006 7:07:24 AM | message detail
IMO No holiday on Monday.

I'm ok with CJayC not putting the noms on the front page. If Board 8 alone does the nominations, that's fine. They won't be too wacky. Hopefully.
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transience | Posted 6/4/2006 7:09:51 AM | message detail
actually, Tombolo compiled a 64 item bracket based on Lucid's topic:

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=164530&tclass=The%20actual%20bracket%2E%20%3E%5F%3E

probably not very accurate, but it gives you an idea of potential seeding.
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Applause Sign | Posted 6/4/2006 9:40:10 AM | message detail
I kinda wish this thing got scrapped and moved to after the character battle, just because I'd rather be able to stay up for the start/end of matches for the Character battle than the series. God damn you Ceej.

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therealmnm | Posted 6/4/2006 9:43:09 AM | message detail
Meh. I'm not trying to stay up for matches like I did in the past. That totally messed up my mental clock, and now I find myself randomly not being tired at all past 4 AM. That definitely has to change soon.
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transcience | Posted 6/4/2006 10:03:30 AM | message detail
I prefer series to character battles - much less predictable. character battle is good and all, but the next one will be the fifth time we see the same characters clean house.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/4/2006 10:08:45 AM | message detail
Tomorrow, it will have been a month (well 4 weeks, but still) since nominations opened.

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Ed Bellis | Posted 6/4/2006 10:13:25 AM | message detail
Yeah, I much prefer the series concept to the character battle. I really wish the character battle would just take a year off and be replaced with a summer-long games contest. That way, the old stats we'd have would be two years old and things could get a bit more unpredictable. And the games contest would obviously be more crazy than the character contest would be for the same reason: our only xstats are outdated and unreliable at best. 'tis a shame.
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dethfdddddh | Posted 6/4/2006 10:19:28 AM | message detail
Anyone here think a big liscensed game character (Vader, Spiderman, Bond) could beat Link?

>_>;
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yoblazer33 | Posted 6/4/2006 10:20:00 AM | message detail
I don't think those people anchoring for Link to lose will rally behind that idea. Besides, Cloud and Link have only had two and three matches apiece since their clash in 2004. I'm getting antsy; I want to see our top draws kick ass again. Also, delaying a Games Contest until next year will allow Twilight Princess and FFXII to make the field.
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transcience | Posted 6/4/2006 10:23:11 AM | message detail
yeah, it's been my dream to have a games/character contest rotate every summer. that way we'll have had a couple years for each to become more unpredictable.
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Kaxon | Posted 6/4/2006 10:54:47 AM | message detail
I prefer series to character battles - much less predictable. character battle is good and all, but the next one will be the fifth time we see the same characters clean house.

My thoughts exactly. The character battle is still fun, but the potential for true surprises has gone way down. In the series battle we don't know anything for sure... we can make educated guesses, but we might be totally wrong.
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Kaxon | Posted 6/4/2006 10:57:40 AM | message detail
However, I do still want to see a character battle this year with Link and Cloud in it. Seeing them kick ass is part of the fun, and I missed that last year.
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transcience | Posted 6/4/2006 10:59:15 AM | message detail
yeah, the TOC has to be a one-time thing. there was a perfect number of retired entrants last year. if you continue retiring champions, you eventually end up with a winner no one really caers about and a weak field.
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swirIdude | Posted 6/4/2006 11:45:38 AM | message detail
Yeah, skip the Series contest, no one cares about an auto-FF win.
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ToadYoshi | Posted 6/4/2006 11:45:50 AM | message detail
How's about this for a twist:

Any character that has won a contest match is ineligible.

How cool would that be? A first-time winner wins the whole thing. That would be a fun, maybe for a spring contest next year or something.

As an alternative, let's just ban everyone who got in the tournament last year. That would bring us 64 new faces, and chaos would ensue.
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swirIdude | Posted 6/4/2006 11:47:24 AM | message detail
That wouldn't be fun.
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transience | Posted 6/4/2006 11:55:21 AM | message detail
we already had that. it was called the Villain Contest.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/4/2006 12:17:20 PM | message detail
That would certainly work for the Games Contest (which is part of what makes biannual Games Contests so desirable), but there aren't that many good characters. We'd have a bunch of other characters from Final Fantasy and Chrono Trigger, and a bunch of absolute weaklings. Even if you decide to let in people who have never one a match, you're still going to have Gordon Freeman as a top tier character.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2006 12:20:43 PM | message detail
For the Final Four, we would have Cid, Barret, Yuffie, and -- you guessed it -- Mr. Driller.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/4/2006 12:25:28 PM | message detail
The character battle is still fun, but the potential for true surprises has gone way down

I dunno. Magus/Knuckles is probably one of the biggest shockers we've ever had. They're still there, believe me. The Villains Contest featured a lot of characters we'd never seen before, but it wasn't that unpredictable. Just because it's new doesn't mean it'll be better/more unpredictable. Honestly, there are still many, many character battle matches that people on this board would consider to be up in the air.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
dragoontheguy | Posted 6/4/2006 12:28:57 PM | message detail
The villains contest also had a lot of characters in it that had been in character battles before though. The best game ever contest was extremely unpredictable a lot of the time as well, so hopefully this series contest is just as good.
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transience | Posted 6/4/2006 12:32:44 PM | message detail
Magus/Knuckles is only a shocker because it went against two years of expectations - if that happened in 2002, I don't think we would have thought of it as an upset. either way, Magus/Knuckles is the exception, not the norm.

yeah there are debatable matches, but games are far more unpredictable. we've only seen three matches between generations and a lot of games have been released in the last two plus years, not to mention the standard year to year fluctuation that the character battle relies on. heck, let me make a quick eightpack:

Zelda 1
Resident Evil 4

Zelda: Majora's Mask
Kingdom Hearts 2

Final Fantasy 8
Metal Gear Solid 3

Mario Kart 64
Metroid Prime

we've seen only two of those games and all would have reasonable strength. I'd be pretty shocked if any two people in this topic predicted it the same way.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/4/2006 12:34:43 PM | message detail
The best game ever contest was extremely unpredictable a lot of the time as well, so hopefully this series contest is just as good.

No, Division 128 was unpredictable. There's a difference.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
dragoontheguy | Posted 6/4/2006 12:36:49 PM | message detail
It still had a lot of matches that were hard to predict outside of the 128 division. Much more than any recent character contest has had anyways.
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transience | Posted 6/4/2006 12:37:29 PM | message detail
16 wasn't all that predictable either; SF2/SMRPG, CT/LTTP, LTTP/FF6, LTTP/SM...and for you, Sonic 2/SMW. :) division 8 and 32 were pretty predictable until the division finals though, yeah.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/4/2006 12:38:04 PM | message detail
It had...Chrono Trigger/A Link to the Past. That was really it.

At least in my opinion anyway, and I didn't even really struggle with picking Chrono Trigger.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
LeonhartForever | Posted 6/4/2006 12:39:22 PM | message detail
LttP/SM was unpredictable for the same reasons I took Sonic 2 over Super Mario World:

...Basically, there were none.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 6/4/2006 12:40:02 PM | message detail
SFII/SM:RPG

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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/4/2006 12:40:21 PM | message detail
And I was shocked that ANYBODY expected Mario 3 to lose before the Final Four. The idea of Zelda beating it was laughable to me.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2006 12:41:09 PM | message detail
The Villain Cntest could have been a good deal better if some simple changes would have been done. We should have seen Bowser/Ganon in the Final Four instead of Bowser/Sephiroth and Diablo/Ganon, Mother Brain should have faced somebody other than Lavos (switch MB with Ghaleon, for example), and Wesker needed a more main-stream opponent his first round (give him, say, Halo 2's Tartarus...not that he'd be much stronger than Luca, but debate could have been worth a damn).
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/4/2006 12:41:23 PM | message detail
Had Mario RPG from the beginning. Knowing how the voting demographic on this site is (pro-Mario and pro-Square, not very fighting game friendly), it wasn't THAT hard to predict.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Janus5000 | Posted 6/4/2006 12:41:29 PM | message detail
I had a lot of problems picking CT over LttP; first and foremost being that I had LttP losing to Super Metroid.

...Yeah.
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Slowflake | Posted 6/4/2006 12:41:56 PM | message detail
I was worried about the power of the Zelda name, and after round 3 I was regretting picking SMB3.
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transience | Posted 6/4/2006 12:43:38 PM | message detail
it's easy to say that now, but a handful of people took LTTP over SM, a bunch took FF6 over LTTP and a couple took Sonic 2 over SMW. then there's SF2/SMRPG... compared to most divisions in a character battle, that's tough.

plus, it's a lot easier to gauge a pecking order when looking at a single generation. mix up the generations and it becomes all kinds of unpredictable.
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Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 6/4/2006 12:44:04 PM | message detail
I also had Super Mario RPG but the match was still surprising to many people (Obviously)

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transience | Posted 6/4/2006 12:44:33 PM | message detail
er, SM over LTTP. I'm one of those, but that's just my love for SM speakin'.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 6/4/2006 12:46:02 PM | message detail
At least in my opinion anyway, and I didn't even really struggle with picking Chrono Trigger.

It doesn't really matter how easy it was for you or anyone else to reach what result they did, the results of the match make it unpredictable. That's not an insult by the way, that applies to everyone including myself. As an example, I didn't even hesitate putting frog over master chief. Does that make the match any less unpredictable? When a match ends with both options less than 500 votes apart, it's the kind of match that could go either way on any given day.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/4/2006 12:46:20 PM | message detail
I agree with the fact that the games contest had a lot of unused potential. It's easier to gauge where games fall within their own generation because they were constantly being compared with one another. And division 128 was a little more difficult because it's the current generation and their places in history have yet to be really determined.

While I agree that the Games Contest was great, it wasn't the end-all, be-all of contests for me. I still prefer good ol' Character Battles.
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yoblazer33 | Posted 6/4/2006 12:46:39 PM | message detail
I had FFVII > LttP as my final for a bit, but I also had Starcraft in the third round. I changed both. The toughest aspect of predicting one of these contests is knowing when to stick with your gut and when to reevaluate things.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2006 12:46:46 PM | message detail
Yeah, a new Game Contest would be incredible if the generations were mixed up (and mixed into decent matches). We just, you know...gotta have another Game Contest first.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/4/2006 12:50:34 PM | message detail
Games '04 was predictable only because of the silly division into eras, because it's easy to tell which games have stood the test of time as you go farther back. As I've been saying for years, mix the eras, replace that 8-bit fodder with 128/next gen contenders, and you're going to have the most difficult bracket in history... and by a long shot, if set up right.

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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/4/2006 12:51:32 PM | message detail
Well, even a character bracket can be extremely difficult, if set up right. It's that last part that's make or break.
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yoblazer33 | Posted 6/4/2006 12:55:38 PM | message detail
One thing to keep in mind: if you spread out FFVII, OoT, Chrono Trigger, and LttP, you'll have a lot of very predictable matches as well. It's how you fill in those cracks between the bulldozers that will make all the difference.
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transience | Posted 6/4/2006 12:57:29 PM | message detail
yeah, when I was bracket-makin' I would put two of those in the same 16-game division just so the rest will be that much more unpredictable. much more fun that way.

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