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voltch | Posted 5/31/2006 10:12:52 AM | message detail

so how long do you all reckon tthe prediction time will last?
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/31/2006 11:49:41 AM | message detail

I think a lot of people are underestimating Mario Kart. The series is obscenely popular, and after MKDS I would take it over Chrono or SSB. It has a decisive advantage over both MM and KH, and I think that Halo's close enough to KH that the strengths of MK and MM would decide the match.

Plus, I would think that MK and Halo's fanbases would overlap a little less than KH and MM's, if only because Halo and MK cannot be found on the same console (although oddly, I've played MK more on the Xbox than I have Halo...).
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/31/2006 11:57:00 AM | message detail

I'm a little hesitant to take Mario Kart too high, but I really don't know where to put it at...
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 5/31/2006 12:07:14 PM | message detail

"It's not like any of these MMO-obsessed mental midgets are going anywhere in life. I view it as less competition in the job market."

Ya know, a lot of very intelligent people get sucked into those. You've got most of the points right, but certainly not that one.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/31/2006 12:25:55 PM | message detail

Team Rocket Elite | Posted 5/31/2006 12:36:55 PM | message detail

didn't TRE say otherwise? I never actually pay attention, but I thought he said it was an insta-freeze these days.

I haven't checked in a couple weeks. He may have changed it back, or perhaps it's glitchy and doesn't always work the same way.
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therealmnm | Posted 5/31/2006 12:40:41 PM | message detail

ToadYoshi | Posted 5/31/2006 1:17:42 PM | message detail

I have to agree that Smash Bros beats Mario Kart. Smash Bros. is Elite Eight material. It is one of the most widely popular series of all time. The number of people who like it (maybe not obsessively), but just like it, is amazing. Its widespreadness should carry it far. However, I still make the case that it could beat Halo, because Halo is a more specialized series. Now, a Halo/Mario Kart tag team would be awesome. It would win the xbox vote massively, and almost all the nintendo fans would vote for it too. That would be a killer combination.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/31/2006 1:23:30 PM | message detail

Ya know, a lot of very intelligent people get sucked into those.

And do squat with themselves afterwards. I can site no less than 30 people I know IRL whose life is a blur of scraping by, insomnia and MMORPGs. It's one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/31/2006 1:24:38 PM | message detail

I should probably get into an MMO. It would probably be an improvement for me
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/31/2006 1:48:26 PM | message detail

I will be shocked to all hell if Mario Kart beat Chrono, and I guarantee MK loses to Super Smash Bros. SSB on the N64 is probably as popular here as MK64 (if not moreso), which is likely the strongest game of its series. SSBM is much bigger than MK:DD!! or any other particular MK game. MK's outnumbering of games and gaming systems/eras is the only thing it would have in its advantage, and I don't foresee it going well for it.

I dunno, I think that SMK would be the biggest MK game. So if we have MK64 = SMB, then for SSB win against MK, we'd need to have SSBM > SMK + SMSC + MKDD + MKDS. Keep in mind that SMSC is the #1 non-Pokemon game on GBA, MKDD is #2 on GCN (40K behind SSBM), and MKDS is #2 on DS (behind Nintendogs). MK is a hugely popular series, and has a far broader audience than SSB. I know racing games are less popular on GameFAQs (although MKDS was the #2 game of 2k5), and sales don't really matter, but MK's potential is still enormous.
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jonthomson | Posted 5/31/2006 2:09:21 PM | message detail

"don't write off how much Kingdom Hearts 2 has done for the popularity of the series"

Yes, it's made it a series.

"I think a lot of people are underestimating Mario Kart"

Yes, I am, I really don't think that anything post-MK64 has done a great deal.
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ToadYoshi | Posted 5/31/2006 2:32:30 PM | message detail

^^^
Gameplay wise, not much has happened since MK64.
But popularity wise, post-MK64 mario karts have raised general knowledge of the series. A lot of people would not know about Mario Kart 64 if it hadn't been for more recent games. None of them are as good as MK64, but they all help spread the word.

Mac Arrowny posted an equation of some sort. I think that would be right on, except for one thing:
I think SSBM is more popular than MK64, by quite a bit. I think the majority prefer SSBM out of the two. For that equation to work, a lot of people have to have heard of MK64. I hope you are right and MK64 is that much of a force, but I am slightly more skeptical.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/31/2006 2:33:40 PM | message detail

I've always thought that Mario Kart 64 was considered to be among the top 5 N64 titles. I didn't realize it needed additional publicity...
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transience | Posted 5/31/2006 2:36:20 PM | message detail

MK64 sold like six million copies. if that's not good enough, I don't know what is!
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therealmnm | Posted 5/31/2006 2:39:59 PM | message detail

Of course Mario Kart is widely known. It's pretty much liked by everybody, which is what I base its strength off of. But guess what? SSB has just as much general popularity as the Mario Kart series, especially with SSBB on the horizon. What SSB has over Mario Kart is that it is a favorite among many gamers. How many people do you see having a Mario Kart game in their Top 10 vs. someone having SSBM?
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/31/2006 2:42:02 PM | message detail

I dunno...I'd probably put Mario Kart 64 high on my list. I'd take it one-on-one over the original Super Smash Brothers, to counter whoever brought that up before.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 5/31/2006 3:01:52 PM | message detail

Yeah, it's tough... I'd probably take Mario Kart 64 over the original Smash - barely - but series-wise, I think SSB takes it over Mario Kart. As somebody mentioned before, they both share the same casual, Nintendo-based appeal. I honestly think it could be one ugly SFF match were they to face off.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/31/2006 3:02:57 PM | message detail

http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/top10/379.html

A premonition of Mario Kart > Smash Brothers? I think...not.

Still, some of those lists are very sad. Somebody put Level 9 on SSBM as one of the hardest difficulty settings in a video game.
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transience | Posted 5/31/2006 3:04:16 PM | message detail

here's the high-quality writing from today's list:

They were in a suprise when they beat the game only to find Samus had lifted her helmet. There she was, with long red hair. Still going strong today, Samus have had many successful games.

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Ed Bellis | Posted 5/31/2006 3:04:16 PM | message detail

I continuously forget those lists exist until someone points out a typically horrible example (see: today's).
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/31/2006 3:05:45 PM | message detail

A rather fitting same-time post.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 5/31/2006 3:13:51 PM | message detail

Heh, indeed. :-)

Also, read the entry on that list for Joanna Dark. The Freudian imagery is overwhelming.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/31/2006 3:20:33 PM | message detail

From the Top Ten Playstation RPGs List:

#3: Final Fantasy VIII (PS)
Yet another Final Fantasy game makes this list, and it's also a crowd favorite.

What the...? I really hope that's sarcasm. At least I'll give this list credit for not having FFVII at #1 (at #2, you knew it wouldn't be far off), though having Chrono Cross at the top wasn't the best decision...

Also, it makes me sad that Ceej approved a list entitled "Top Ten Most Insense Boss Fights."
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Ed Bellis | Posted 5/31/2006 3:32:30 PM | message detail

#1 better be some sort of Scented Candle!
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/31/2006 3:43:39 PM | message detail

So if we have MK64 = SMB, then for SSB win against MK, we'd need to have SSBM > SMK + SMSC + MKDD + MKDS.

Whoops, I meant to say MK64 = SSB. Little bit of a confusing typo there.

And there are plenty of people who have Mario Kart games in their top games list. The main problem is that many people don't like to put multiplayer games in their lists...but that doesn't matter in a contest, and SSB shares that problem anyway.
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Applause Sign | Posted 5/31/2006 3:45:13 PM | message detail

I'm a huge WoW fan, and despite me hating pretty much the rest of the Warcraft series, I would still vote it over a lot of other series based off of the one game. My entire life is not enthralled by the game however, and I'm sure there are plenty of other people out there like me. WoW has millions upon millions of players, and they're not all addicted to it like crack.

Note: I pretty much despise all strategy games.

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Ed Bellis | Posted 5/31/2006 4:00:45 PM | message detail

Yeah, I dunno... the argument that MMORPG's (I think that's the right abbreviation) wouldn't have much voting support because people couldn't be arsed to get off their games never really seemed to make a lot of sense to me. Yeah, they can be addictive, but as Ulti said in arguing this position, it takes, what, four seconds to vote? If anything, the WoW community, seemingly more tight-knit than most gaming communities, could be a powerful force if rallying spreads. Wouldn't surprise me.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/31/2006 4:10:10 PM | message detail

Haven't they rallied hard before?
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Ed Bellis | Posted 5/31/2006 4:11:04 PM | message detail

Beg pardon?
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/31/2006 4:16:57 PM | message detail

I thought WoW fans have had a huge rally or two before somewhere.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 5/31/2006 4:21:25 PM | message detail

Oh, no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me. Like I said, it's not hard to vote, and it seems an unfair generalization to make. I think Warcraft could potentially be a force.

...but not as much as MADDEN lol
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/31/2006 6:07:26 PM | message detail

Kingdom Hearts almost lost to Soul Calibur. Yes, KH2 and all, but I would hope that two-three games from the Mario Kart series would beat Soul Calibur worse than the first KH did.

As far as Kingdom Hearts goes, there is really only one game from the Mario Kart series that I would take over it -- and that's Mario Kart 64. I would definitely suspect that Kingdom Hearts II would be stronger than Kingdom Hearts, too.

As far as both being series, I think the only thing that might push things in favor of Mario Kart is the fact that it has many different games to add to its strength (Super Mario Kart, Mario Kart 64, Mario Kart DS being the notable titles). However, I never really knew many people to have Mario Kart games as high ranking favorites. So it would have to come to the quantity of the Mario Kart games being the Kingdom Hearts games.

But yeah, I really only think there is one Mario Kart game as a whole that could beat the original Kingdom Hearts in a game contest.

The series is obscenely popular, and after MKDS I would take it over Chrono or SSB.

Pretty much everyone enjoys Mario Kart, but I don't think it has the power to beat something like Chrono or Super Smash Bros. Both of those are huge favorites of people while I cannot really see Mario Kart as being nearly of the same caliber. I suppose that whole quantity bit comes into play again, which is really what makes this contest so interesting. But I wouldn't take Mario Kart over either.

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 5/31/2006 6:10:17 PM | message detail

God I want a bracket >_>
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/31/2006 6:25:06 PM | message detail

If we don't get a bracket in the next five and a half hours, I'm giving up on it.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/31/2006 6:34:41 PM | message detail

I'm not sure what to think if we don't get the bracket soon. I wish CJayC would give some type of update.

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ToadYoshi | Posted 5/31/2006 6:55:03 PM | message detail

I think it is a valid point to say that Mario Kart will lack strength because not many people had it on their top 10 list. (I had it #1, but not many other people did). It would have to win with its widespread popularity, which (having sold 6 million copies) is certainly a possibility. I'm almost sure it will win a match or two, but when it starts going up against games like SSBM which are on people's top 10 lists, it will run into trouble. I hope its widespread semi-fame will take it far, but I don't think that will get it to the elite eight or maybe even sweet 16.

However, I know one thing. The contest will not be cancelled. Ceej knows how hyped and popular these contests are, I believe he will be smart enough not to cancel it.

BOOK IT.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 5/31/2006 6:55:08 PM | message detail

indeed
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/31/2006 6:57:14 PM | message detail

It's not like he wouldn't have a replacement if he did cancel this one. He could start the nominations for the character battle, close them in a few days, put the bracket up, and the contest is just as hyped, if not moreso. At this point, I want that to happen.

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ToadYoshi | Posted 5/31/2006 7:05:36 PM | message detail

someone totally agreed with me w00t. I feel better now.

On topic: I hope he doesn't skip right to the summer contest. Then all this Mario Kart/Kingdom Hearts stuff will be pointless, and we'll never know what would have happened. I still think this particular series contest has been hyped too much to be canceled.
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LessThan3Presea | Posted 5/31/2006 7:08:27 PM | message detail

Well, we should be starting the contest tomorrow instead of STILL waiting for the bracket after twenty-three days, so it's understandable that some aren't that thrilled with the idea anymore.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/31/2006 7:09:02 PM | message detail

It isn't like we're guaranteed to see a Mario Kart/Kingdom Hearts match anyway. We would certainly be able to see how they compared indirectly after the contest was over, but I would doubt we'd see them go up against each other.

And I would like for this contest to keep going ... if we could ever get a bracket. The wait for the bracket is killing any type of hype or anticipation for this contest, at least for me. What's worse is that CJayC is not giving us any indication that the bracket is coming soon, that the contest is going to start soon, or anything else.

I'd be pretty clueless on what to think if we don't get the bracket or some news on June 1st.

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therealmnm | Posted 5/31/2006 7:11:47 PM | message detail

I definitely still want a series contest, as it's probably the only time we would be able to see a Mario Kart, Mega Man, or Sonic game at its full potential, as those games are more about the series than individual games. It's not like it takes much effort to post the bracket and start the contest. And I'd much rather get two contests back-to-back rather than just having the character contest and starting it now and totally forgetting about the series contest. There still is a lot of potential for the series contest regardless of the final outcome being obvious. And even then, it's still not as bad as the villain contest with loads of fodder.

We just need a contest to start now.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/31/2006 7:14:49 PM | message detail

If he did cancel it, he could always run it again during the winter.

... Yeah. I suppose that's too good to expect.

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HaRRicH | Posted 5/31/2006 7:36:59 PM | message detail

...but then he couldn't have the Game Contest then!
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/31/2006 7:38:04 PM | message detail

Assuming he even thinks about holding the games contest again!

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FastFalcon05 | Posted 5/31/2006 9:06:16 PM | message detail

I'll say it again just for kicks, but maybe it's only a 16 entry contest and we'll still be on schedule for summer.

/disappointment (it was desperation last time)
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/31/2006 9:13:36 PM | message detail

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The first signs of Snake > Link in 2007!!

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LordOfDabu | Posted 5/31/2006 9:14:53 PM | message detail

I used to really like Mario Kart 64 (and the SNES one as well), but then I played F-Zero X, which completely blew it out of the water. And as far as the current generation goes, I felt that F-Zero GX >>> Double Dash. It's a shame the sales don't reflect that.

So maybe it's just my bias, but I don't see Mario Kart being all that powerful, and I bet that it would grossly underperform (aka SFF) against many of Nintendo's other series.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/31/2006 9:16:28 PM | message detail

http://www.everythingandnothing.org.uk/vg/worldtotals.php?name=metroid&console=&publisher=&sort=Total
http://www.everythingandnothing.org.uk/vg/worldtotals.php?name=mario+kart&console=&publisher=&sort=Total

Just for interest's sake, I felt like posting those two next to each other. I think something like that helps explain why Metroid is so weak. Yeah, I know, sales don't matter much, but that's absolutely pathetic for Metroid...and it's painful to see Super Metroid below Metroid Fusion. Looking at that, it's not surprising that it did so poorly in the Games Contest. Just imagine how much worse it would have done without emulation. I'm really hoping that Metroid doesn't end up disappointing too much.

Also, on the topic of emulation: what effect do you think the Virtual Console could have on the contest? I feel it could change a lot, especially after SSBB is released. Tons of people will want to play Kid Icarus after discovering Pit...and they'll be able to! The same might happen with Marth and Fire Emblem, and all of the lesser selling classics could also grow: Super Metroid, Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, Crystalis, etc.
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