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| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/4/2006 12:59:43 PM | message detail |
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Fun, but also a bit unfair. It's kind of like how Crono gets screwed
out of that top seed every year. I've never even played Chrono Trigger
and I think that's buns. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 6/4/2006 1:01:01 PM | message detail |
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Well, that IS the problem with actually seeding "fairly." All of the
strongest games are going to be spread apart and won't meet until the
Final Four. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| transience | Posted 6/4/2006 1:08:59 PM | message detail |
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yeah, either you get a fun bracket or a proper one. I try to keep it so
there's nothing ridiculous, but placing the #3 and #4 games in the same
division as 1 and 2 seeds doesn't seem too unfair to me. the
alternative is watching LTTP smash its way through a division with very
little resistance. --- xyzzy |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/4/2006 1:21:29 PM | message detail |
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That's true. I think the best mix of fun and proper would be to have
FFVII and OoT as 1 seeds on opposite ends of the bracket. Then, have CT
and LttP as the 1 and 2 seeds in one of the central divisions. It
ensures us the rematch everyone wants to see and also makes it so that
the two strongest entries meet in the final. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| transience | Posted 6/4/2006 1:25:52 PM | message detail |
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yeah, in a 16x4 setup that's all it would be. a 1 and a 2 in a 16x4
bracket is the same as two 1's in an 8x8. it'd be just like Samus/Mario. --- xyzzy |
| jonthomson | Posted 6/4/2006 1:57:02 PM | message detail |
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Zelda 1 Resident Evil 4 I'd probably go with Zelda here. Resi 4 was quite big (see the 100 greatest games poll, although that would be influenced somewhat by its relatively recent release), but we've not seen anything to suggest that anything from that series can seriously compete. Zelda wasn't that far from SMB3 anyway, even if it was an Ulti-blowout. Zelda: Majora's Mask Kingdom Hearts 2 KH2. I might have to re-evaluate that in a year or so, but right now we don't have anything to gauge MM on apart from that it's a lot lower than KH in the 100 best games poll. No reason to think that KH2 is weaker. Final Fantasy 8 Metal Gear Solid 3 FF8. Simple enough. Wouldn't be a massive win but I could see it taking it easily enough. Mario Kart 64 Metroid Prime Prime. It didn't disgrace itself last time around and although MK64 could do well, I can't see it beating MP. I probably take FF8 over KH2 in a final. --- Jon Thomson - CATS, Jay Solano, Ridley, Scorpion, Alien Hominid, Duke Nukem, The Prince, Johnny Rocketfingers, two TBA |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/4/2006 2:09:11 PM | message detail |
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Zelda also faced potential SFF against SMB3. Given that, and the fact
that RE4 is already fading pretty fast (much faster than GTA:VC or Halo
did) I'm going to have to say I agree. Zelda > RE4 --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/4/2006 2:10:34 PM | message detail |
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Yep, Zelda. RE4 was released in a terribly dull gaming year. It won't
stand up to a big dog, even if it is a big dog from a past era. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| jonthomson | Posted 6/4/2006 2:11:51 PM | message detail |
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SFF was possible in that match but I don't see there being anything
surprising about the result. It's not a Link/Ganondorf, it's not even a
Mario/Samus. --- Jon Thomson - CATS, Jay Solano, Ridley, Scorpion, Alien Hominid, Duke Nukem, The Prince, Johnny Rocketfingers, two TBA |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/4/2006 2:24:28 PM | message detail |
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Yep, Zelda. RE4 was released in a terribly dull gaming year. It
won't stand up to a big dog, even if it is a big dog from a past era. Keep in mind that it's come out on the PS2 since the Top 100 list. I think the fact that its sales have tripled since then is a pretty big deal. Zelda 1 Resident Evil 4 RE4's boosted plenty since last year, and LoZ has nowhere to go but down. Zelda: Majora's Mask Kingdom Hearts 2 Tough match...but MM takes it. MM would probably beat Soul Calibur by a greater margin than KH did, and I can't see KH2 as stronger than KH. Final Fantasy 8 Metal Gear Solid 3 FFVIII > FFT = MGS > MGS3. Simple enough. Mario Kart 64 Metroid Prime MK64. I see it winning in a SSBM > MGS2 style blowout. MK64 vs. Wind Waker might be a more interesting match, but Wind Waker would never get close enough to make it a real threat. RE4 vs. MM = RE4, by a small margin. Very small. MK64 vs. FFVIII = FFVIII, by an equally small margin. Both would be incredibly strong, but FFVIII was definitely the most powerful snub of 2k4. FFVIII beats RE4 without difficulty. Great eight pack though. Stuff like this is exactly why we should've had a games contest this year. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/4/2006 2:32:45 PM | message detail |
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Keep in mind that it's come out on the PS2 since the Top 100 list. I
think the fact that its sales have tripled since then is a pretty big
deal. I don't think they've tripled; maybe doubled. Even still, Resident Evil 4 had zero competition for all of 2005. The Fall Top 100 list took place practically in conjunction with RE4's Playstation 2 release. It managed to be #14 on the list. Not bad at all, but check out LoZ's 30th place. No hype, no talk, no recency, and it still made it that high on the list. It easily showed up both Wind Waker and Majora's Mask. Surprisingly, it is the third strongest Zelda game on this site. Dunno about anyone else, but I'll take Zelda's #3 over RE's #1 any day. RE4's boosted plenty since last year, and LoZ has nowhere to go but down. LoZ's place in history has long since been cemented. Barring a remake or something, it has nowhere to go, period. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2006 2:36:37 PM | message detail |
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Keep in mind that it's come out on the PS2 since the Top 100 list. I
think the fact that its sales have tripled since then is a pretty big
deal. Mac beat me to it, though I didn't realize the PS2 game tripled its sales...hell, I was actually under the impression it didn't match its Gamecube sales (though I don't know why). As for the eight-pack, here's how I'll go: RE4 > LoZ (it'd be interesting to see how the second most recent huge hit competes against one of the first ever huge hits) LoZ:MM > KH2 (toughest first-round match) FF8 > MGS3 (easiest first-round match) MK64 > MP (MP was behind Starcraft/SSBM which needs 1,200-1,400 votes taken out AND Starcraft/LoZ:WW which I don't fully trust, not to mention Metroid's track-record against other Nintendo characters/games) RE4 > LoZ:MM (tough) FF8 > MK64 (it'll be close, but I'm still quick to take FF8) FF8 > RE4 (RE4 should do well though) --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| transience | Posted 6/4/2006 2:38:55 PM | message detail |
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actually, didn't the list voting come out before the US release?
11/5/05 was the day of #1, which means that we had ten days beforehand.
the PS2 release didn't do anything for the list. I think RE4/Zelda 1 is a great match. it all depends on how people gauge new games as compared to old classics; Zelda 1 is probably older than a lot of the people that will be voting. I'd probably take Zelda 1 just because of the Zelda name, but it's by no means a lock to win. --- xyzzy |
| Seginustemple | Posted 6/4/2006 2:43:05 PM | message detail |
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This topic is confusing me. I thought this was a contest for series, not individual games.... --- I'm not here, this isn't happening. |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/4/2006 2:44:50 PM | message detail |
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We're weird like that. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| transience | Posted 6/4/2006 2:48:49 PM | message detail |
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if you think this is weird, you should see us when we're bored. this is pretty topical for us. --- xyzzy |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/4/2006 3:00:38 PM | message detail |
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I disagree with everything Mac said except that MK64 should be able to beat MP and FF8 would man-handle the competition. Everything else is false. MM would be blown out of the water by LoZ, assuming they met, and RE4 has no where to go but down since last year. It's not so recent anymore, and frankly it got its 14th place very near to the time the game was released on PS2. It was actually at it's peak at that very moment. And LoZ has nowhere to go but up, so everyone knows. It has been around for almost a full two decades now, it can't lose any more strength at this point but it could be SFF'd by quite a bit. I'm not going to say it was severe, but from the looks of it there's a chance it could beat everything in 2k4 that falls short of FF6 (which is only a .5% increase). --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| transience | Posted 6/4/2006 3:01:38 PM | message detail |
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so does that mean you'd take FF8 > FF6? --- xyzzy |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2006 3:18:36 PM | message detail |
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Even for 2005 to be such a dull year for gaming, it shouldn't take away
the fact that RE4 was huge. Statistically speaking, we saw Leon Kennedy
between Vivi and Tidus before
RE4 was ported to the PS2, and RE2 likely isn't half the reason for
people liking Leon nowadays. GameFAQs says RE4 came out for the PS2 on
10/25/05, and I believe the Top 100 List stopped taking votes on the
evening of 10/26/05 (I know FF3/6 was announced as #10 on
10/27/05)...it's hard to decide a game makes your personal top ten
after just one day (sit down, HM =P ). With RE4's great showing in the
Top 100 List (#14, right behind Super Mario 64), that should be another
sign... ...but, if not, the GotY polls don't hurt either. It obviously took the Gamecube GotY by storm (it got two-thirds of the vote), to nobody's surprise. In the first overall GotY poll, it got 41.29% and still beat the next top four games combined (God of War + Mario Kart DS + Star Wars: Battlefront 2 + Call of Duty 2 = 40.5%). In the final GotY poll, it got 55.48% against both MKDS and GoW -- one's the best-received Nintendo game from 2005 from a great series and the other was GameFAQs's most popular system's GotY for ten of the twelve months before RE4 was ported to it. I also disagree that RE4 has only down to go -- a game that big will not be forgotten so quickly, considering it will be a game that be looked back upon as one of the defining games of this generation. You cannot simply throw that kind of game off -- SSBM, FFX, the GTA series, the Halo games, Metroid Prime, and almost-certainly LoZ:TP fit this category. Not to say it'll beat any of them, but you would be ridiculous to write it off when you will hear it mentioned in the same breath as them for years on end as far as games this generation goes. HM (or anybody else), what are the sales for RE4 on the Gamecube and PS2 please? --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2006 3:22:21 PM | message detail |
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Oh, and for what it's worth, RE4 didn't hit the PS2 in Europe and Japan until 11/5/05 and 12/1/05 (respectively). --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/4/2006 3:24:00 PM | message detail |
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I can't remember the topic nor the context, but I remember HM stating
that RE4 had sold around 1.2 mil on the Cube and 1.5 mil on the PS2. Or it was a dream I had. Whatever... <.< --- *is Karma Hunter* |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/4/2006 3:30:56 PM | message detail |
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From transience | Posted 6/4/2006 6:01:38 PM | #468 so does that mean you'd take FF8 > FF6? Not me. Although FF8 WOULD be fairly powerful, make no mistake about it. Also, I'd like to mention that although nothing's set in stone as of now, I may get ahold of FF7 in the not-so-distant future. Finally. --- i beaten a lot of people in school in a battle. some are noobs like you some are pretty good. i have a perfect record of not loosing. -pika4 |
| transience | Posted 6/4/2006 3:33:33 PM | message detail |
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I agree that FF8 has strength. I think I'd place it #8 after the
so-called Super Seven, which means that I still think FF6 > FF8. it
wouldn't be by much though. I know I'd expect LTTP to beat FF8 harder
than it beat FF6. --- xyzzy |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/4/2006 3:34:43 PM | message detail |
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I don't think they've tripled; maybe doubled. Well, you're wrong. Keep in mind that it's also gone Player's Choice on GCN since then, and it'll undoubtedly get another nice boost when it goes Greatest Hits on the PS2. And LoZ has nowhere to go but up, so everyone knows. It has been around for almost a full two decades now, it can't lose any more strength at this point but it could be SFF'd by quite a bit. I'm not going to say it was severe, but from the looks of it there's a chance it could beat everything in 2k4 that falls short of FF6 (which is only a .5% increase). SpC2k4 was shortly after ZCE went out to over 2 million American Cube owners...that means that more people have it than Wind Waker. I hardly see how that isn't an advantage for LoZ. Sales for RE: http://www.everythingandnothing.org.uk/vg/worldtotals.php?name=resident+evil&console=&publisher=&sort=Total --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2006 3:35:27 PM | message detail |
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I'd stick with FFX > FF8, personally, by a little bit. Let that rank it as it may. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2006 3:45:01 PM | message detail |
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So, as of December 2005, the PS2 sold 370,000 more RE4 games than the
Gamecube...interesting. That means the PS2 sold more in two months than
the Gamecube did all year, and that Leon's and RE4's performances in
the contests are unaffected by the PS2 port (though the GotY polls are
affected). Guys, RE4 is for real. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/4/2006 4:41:52 PM | message detail |
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So is the Legend of Zelda, and that game's had a lot more competition in the past 19 years. =P Besides, would anyone be that confident in RE4 breaking 43%+ on Super Mario Bros. 3? That's what it would need to stand toe-to-toe with Zelda, and that's before we consider any possible SFF in the SMB3/LoZ match. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| transience | Posted 6/4/2006 4:45:55 PM | message detail |
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I'll believe there's SFF in SMB3/Z1 when I believe there's some in CT/FF7.. OOT tripled SM64 and LTTP did the same with Super Metroid. I can't see anything SFFing the Zelda series. --- xyzzy |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2006 4:47:34 PM | message detail |
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Now, I'm going to have some fun here: I'm going to treat GoW and MKDS
as one single option, since RE4 beat them both with 55.48%. From there,
I'm going to use the Game Contest's stats and compare the pair of
GoW+MKDS to all the games from the 128-Division in a cool way.
Inaccurate, maybe, but this could cause some thinking. Let's watch,
shall we? If GoW+MKDS = ____, then RE4 would be at ____ in the stats: Fire Emblem (behind FFTA/FFX)...18.41% Shenmue...20.88% Skies of Arcadia*...20.93% FFTA (unadjusted)...27.37% SW:KotOR...30.75% Half-Life*...32.49% MGS2...36.08% Metroid Prime*...37.06% Soul Calibur*...38.04% Kingdom Hearts*...38.5% GTA:VC...38.74% FFX...40.9% Halo*...41.32% LoZ:WW*...41.38% Starcraft (is Starcraft)...41.45% SSBM...41.69% *behind Starcraft How many of those games would you take over GoW or MKDS? How many of those would you take over GoW and MKDS combined? How many would you take over GoW+MKDS with 55+%? --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/4/2006 4:48:07 PM | message detail |
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Fair enough. Even if we make a leap of faith and assume the SMB3/LoZ
percentages were legit (it's Nintendo/Nintendo, so history dictates
that something weird probably happened), RE4 would need some impressive strength to approach the mid-40's on Mario's strongest game. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2006 4:48:18 PM | message detail |
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The tran-man just said what I felt, but better. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| transience | Posted 6/4/2006 4:49:46 PM | message detail |
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I'm not gonna get into the x-stats game, especially with
the Game Contest, but I've been thinking: how badly will Zelda beat
Mario in a series contest? I mean OOT absolutely smashed SM64 and LTTP
would probably get 60-65% on Mario World. would Zelda beat Mario harder
than FF would? --- xyzzy |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2006 4:51:07 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=525 Make your own conclusions from here. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2006 4:52:26 PM | message detail |
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LoZ:LttP also outdid SMB3 in both the Game Contest stats and the Top 100 List. Mario would be hurting..... --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| transience | Posted 6/4/2006 4:52:48 PM | message detail |
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looks like a doubling, huh? I'll give Mario some credit due to having
the newest release (NSMB) and say Zelda gets 60%... will FF top that? I
think Zelda beats Mario worse than FF could. --- xyzzy |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2006 4:54:35 PM | message detail |
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I'll agree with LOZ having more >'s against Mario than FF would have >'s against Mario, yes. =P --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/4/2006 4:54:47 PM | message detail |
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I dunno. Mario, Bowser and Luigi have been the biggest beneficiaries
from The Boost (R), aside from Kirby. I wouldn't put it past Mario to
put up a respectable score. --- i beaten a lot of people in school in a battle. some are noobs like you some are pretty good. i have a perfect record of not loosing. -pika4 |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/4/2006 4:55:31 PM | message detail |
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Very old poll, but I'd say 60/40 is easily doable for LoZ. A doubling
might be a bit out of reach, but that's just because my gut is telling
me that Super Mario will have more synergy than any series in the pack.
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| transience | Posted 6/4/2006 4:57:42 PM | message detail |
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I'd say Zelda got just as much of a boost as any of those guys,
Ganondorf didn't get a chance to really show what he had because he was
fed to Samus, and Link didn't face anyone from the main bracket. I
don't think The Boost helped Mario characters any more than Zelda ones. --- xyzzy |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2006 5:00:54 PM | message detail |
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For what it's worth, Link got 62.53% against Mario in 2k2 when he was
hungover from Sunshine. By the 2k5 stats, Link would get 60.41% on
Mario. Link's top two games could/would beat Mario's top game. The
series-match would hurt worse if it was labeled as "Super Mario
(platformer)" in the match, too. LoZ getting 60+% is very plausible. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/4/2006 5:01:37 PM | message detail |
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Going by a 2003 vs. 2005 comparison, there's no doubt that Link grew in
that time. Same for Ganondorf - he went from barely beating Magus to
slapping Auron in the face. Zelda, though? I'm hugely skeptical. And if you look at Ganondorf's match against Alucard, it seems like his own growth spanned over the two years. Odd. Depends on what you consider the big 2005 boost, since Samus also got it a year early. --- i beaten a lot of people in school in a battle. some are noobs like you some are pretty good. i have a perfect record of not loosing. -pika4 |
| transience | Posted 6/4/2006 5:03:11 PM | message detail |
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I'm gonna love the Oracle this year. I don't have a clue as to how to
gauge percentages for something like this, especially because it's not
simply a one-on-one match anymore. that leaderboard is going to be all
over the place, at least until round 1 is over. --- xyzzy |
| Mega Mana | Posted 6/4/2006 5:03:44 PM | message detail |
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*promises self to actually start understanding and participating in these sometime around the next topic* --- "Being yourself is the best reason to live." - Naye |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2006 5:03:54 PM | message detail |
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Nah, I figure Mario characters got more of a boost in 2k5 than Link
characters...but I think Link characters had a friendly boost in 2k4
that people forget to mention -- Link gained for sure and Zelda boosted
sometime between Zelda/Mega in 2003 and Vivi/Zelda in 2005...though
Ganon, as always, was a mystery. I think ZCE could help keep Mario's
boosting from going out of control. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/4/2006 5:06:16 PM | message detail |
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Could you imagine if the option poll actually listed EVERY GAME in the series? Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy II, Final Fantasy III, Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy V, Final Fantasy VI, Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy IX, Final Fantasy X, Final Fantasy XI vs. You'll be lucky to break 2%, you son of a ***** You'll be lucky to break 2%, you son of a ***** II --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| transience | Posted 6/4/2006 5:07:04 PM | message detail |
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if anything, Mario characters boosted more because they had more room
to boost. it's a lot easier to go from 27 to 30% than it is from 30 to
33%. --- xyzzy |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/4/2006 5:07:48 PM | message detail |
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The Legend of Zelda would definitely beat Mario worse than Final
Fantasy, but only because of the SFF that would occur in such a
matchup. It'd look like Final Fantasy would beat Super Mario by much
worse in the unadjusted stats, though, because Final Fantasy is going
to be winning the finals with at least 53%!! --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/4/2006 5:08:47 PM | message detail |
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Whoa, I actually agree with that. If anything, I think 53% might be selling FF a bit short. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2006 5:08:53 PM | message detail |
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Jay. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| transience | Posted 6/4/2006 5:08:59 PM | message detail |
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Legend of Zelda 99.99999% 3747548974894738943784 Operation Shadow 00.00001% 1 TOTAL VOTES 3747548974894738943785 --- xyzzy |