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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 285
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| LeonhartForever | Posted 5/29/2006 6:16:37 PM | message detail |
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Oh, I agree that pictures don't matter a great deal, but we're talking about a match that SSBM won by 1500 votes. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/29/2006 6:21:08 PM | message detail |
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Just so we're all clear on what the picture looked like ... http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/spc2k4/spr04b56.jpg I think the match was close enough where a different picture could have very well produced a different result. Tidus, who is not exactly widely accepted himself, against an entire cast of Nintendo characters is not even close to being balanced, as pictures should at least try to be. About 700 votes needed to be changed in order for the result to differ, I think. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| Applause Sign | Posted 5/29/2006 6:25:22 PM | message detail |
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Wow... I don't recall that picture at all, and I just laughed for a
solid 30 seconds. Probably because Sp2K4 was my first contest I payed
any attention to, and I wasn't hardcore into it, but dayum. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/29/2006 6:26:50 PM | message detail |
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I'm not putting too much stock into this "people will take the whole
series into consideration" voting mentality (at least not yet). If
someone likes the Metal Gear Solid series but loves Chrono Trigger a
lot more than any single MGS game, my bet is they vote for the Chrono
series. Not necessarily. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would have a rank like "Chrono Trigger > all FFs > Chrono Cross", but they're still going to vote FF. You can substitute any given series in the middle, and things will work out the same. The main issue will be bad games that drag the series down. There are probably more than a few people out there who will vote against Chrono because they despise Chrono Cross. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 5/29/2006 6:27:30 PM | message detail |
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I remember that there was so much talk before that match about how much
awesome potential the picture had, and then...Ceej drops the biggest
turd imagineable. Reminds me of the Vincent/Squall picture. Rather ironic that it happened with my favorite game and my favorite character being on the losing end with a match that had a crappy picture despite the potential to be all kinds of awesome. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Applause Sign | Posted 5/29/2006 6:30:20 PM | message detail |
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That is seriously ****ing hilarious though. It looks like Tidus is just waiting to get gang raped. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/29/2006 6:32:12 PM | message detail |
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I have no clue what CJayC was thinking when he made that. If he would
have just done something to add more of the FFX characters in there it
would have been perfect. But an enormous Tidus against Mario, Link,
Samus, Kirby, Bowser is ... yeah. Quite the turd indeed. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| therealmnm | Posted 5/29/2006 6:35:18 PM | message detail |
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I don't know if anyone's said anything about this in the last few
posts, but I haven't seen any antipicture talk in a while. Pictures
rarely matter and when they do they matter minimally. It's just a
picture; people on this site already know ssbm and ffx= a biased ffx
picture wasn't going to turn the match. It's not a matter of recognition. It's a matter of indifference. People don't have a set pre-pattern of who they are going to vote for. If you aren't a huge fan of one character, or you are a moderate fan of both, a picture can easily sway a few voters on the fence, or who don't particularly care for one character/game over the other. There have been plenty of instances I've seen where a picture could have made a difference to swing a close match (it's generally been accepted that a pic can have a 2-3% impact). --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| Applause Sign | Posted 5/29/2006 6:40:57 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, when I don't give a **** about either the pic has an effect on me. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 5/29/2006 9:27:56 PM | message detail |
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... Why? Why would Metal Gear not perform better than one Metal Gear
Solid game? That makes absolutely no sense. So I suppose every series
is going to perform only at the strength of the strongest game,
ignoring everything that contributes to the series as a whole. That is
more or less what you're saying. I'm not sure how much this has been discussed as a general contest thing, but, for the most part series probably will be about as strong as their strongest game. I don't expect there too be too much variance, but then, when you have games as close to each other as they are, that effect makes a difference. I think it would be difficult for a series to be stronger than any of its components; the opposite is more likely. When has SSBM done anything to deserve the praise and influence it has gotten on here? Hey, it's still an amazing game; it wouldn't have the influence it does if it sucked. I think you meant in terms of the contest, but regardless, melee is the best gc game. And this is important, too, as therealmnm noted: The presence of all of Nintendo's established stars is the reason why SSB is popular in the first place, so I don't see how that can be used as a reason to think the series is overrated. That is the very essence of it's strength. And SSBB generated buzz entirely because of Solid Snake. False. It was still a Super Smash Brothers trailer. It didn't need snake to get buzz. Personally, he didn't make the trailer for me either. To me that trailer said the game is nowhere near completed, which makes me sad. It's not a matter of recognition. It's a matter of indifference. People don't have a set pre-pattern of who they are going to vote for. If you aren't a huge fan of one character, or you are a moderate fan of both, a picture can easily sway a few voters on the fence, or who don't particularly care for one character/game over the other. There have been plenty of instances I've seen where a picture could have made a difference to swing a close match (it's generally been accepted that a pic can have a 2-3% impact). Yeah, and that's a problem, because its still just a picture. Indifference occurs most when you care about neither contestant. It's difficult to not have an opinion on final fantasy or nintendo. And, since apparently everyone's accepted that picture is biased towards nintendo I don't expect much agreement, but- that picture features a massive shot of tidus and then a bunch of tiny nintendo characters. Sure, there's more of them, but that's what super smash brothers is. I maintain that a different picture doesn't provide a different result. --- Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/29/2006 9:30:29 PM | message detail |
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He disappointed HaRRicH's expectations at any rate because he won't be beating Falco anytime soon. Si, and Kuja won't be beating Kefka anytime soon either. Your point? THIS is what I mean when I say people love to overrate anything from Smash Brothers. I've rarely seen anything from Final Fantasy not be over-rated at one time or another, and Kuja is anything but an exception. BOLD prediction: You could throw in Auron and Yuna alongside Tidus, and SSBM would have still won by practically the same amount. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| TheKeyofDestiny | Posted 5/29/2006 9:31:49 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, it STILL wouldn't have been a balanced picture. --- "You make a good other." |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 5/29/2006 9:32:59 PM | message detail |
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I agree with that bold prediction. ANOTHER BOLD PREDICTION: Hold the same poll today and SSBM wins by a larger percentage. Ya, including KHII factor and all. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/29/2006 9:34:42 PM | message detail |
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I don't expect much agreement, but- that picture features a massive
shot of tidus and then a bunch of tiny nintendo characters. Sure,
there's more of them, but that's what super smash brothers is. I
maintain that a different picture doesn't provide a different result. I didn't want to bother typing this out in my last post, though I do agree with you. Yeah, it STILL wouldn't have been a balanced picture. BOLDER !! prediction: Had the pic for FFX/SSBM been large enough to show the entire cast of FFX and FFX-2 while SSBM only featured Mario, Link, Samus, and Kirby...SSBM would have still won. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| TheKeyofDestiny | Posted 5/29/2006 9:35:39 PM | message detail |
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Hmph, it's not exactly like I'd expect anyone to disagree with either of those predictions, so they're hardly "bold." --- "You make a good other." |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 5/29/2006 9:37:09 PM | message detail |
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BOLDER !! prediction: Had the pic for FFX/SSBM been large
enough to show the entire cast of FFX and FFX-2 while SSBM only
featured Mario, Link, Samus, and Kirby...SSBM would have still won. BOLDEST!!! prediction: It would have won BY MORE! --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/29/2006 9:38:07 PM | message detail |
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I'm not sure how much this has been discussed as a general contest
thing, but, for the most part series probably will be about as strong
as their strongest game. I don't see why. I would expect it to far exceed its strongest game if the game in question unless it's something so high already that it would be tough to pass (Final Fantasy VII). You're taking that strongest game and adding others to it. It only seems logical to me that the series would prove to be stronger than that one single game because you're taking that game and adding many other strong games to it. Hey, it's still an amazing game; it wouldn't have the influence it does if it sucked. I think you meant in terms of the contest, but regardless, melee is the best gc game. I did mean in terms of the contest, but while it is certainly a good game on its own, it still isn't the best GameCube game. It was simply released during a time when nothing else notable was out, which is a major contributor it had so many sales and was as popular as it ended up being. But there's nothing wrong with that. False. It was still a Super Smash Brothers trailer. It didn't need snake to get buzz. Personally, he didn't make the trailer for me either. To me that trailer said the game is nowhere near completed, which makes me sad. The buzz generated around SSBB would be much lower had Solid Snake not appeared at the end of that trailer. It was totally unexpected and was a shock to everyone. Everyone went into E3 expecting Super Smash Bros., possibly even playable on the show floor. If the trailer they showed lacked Solid Snake, it would not have been talked about nearly as much. That is not to say people would have ignored it, but its hype would be considerably lower. And, since apparently everyone's accepted that picture is biased towards nintendo I don't expect much agreement, but- that picture features a massive shot of tidus and then a bunch of tiny nintendo characters. Sure, there's more of them, but that's what super smash brothers is. I maintain that a different picture doesn't provide a different result. I would agree with you if the gap between the two games was considerably larger. But when it takes only about 700 votes to change the match result, I don't think it's too outside the realm of possibility that more even picture could have produced a different result. They are smaller, but still very noticeable. Link, Mario, Samus, Kirby, Bowser; they're all very much in view against a bigger than usual Tidus, who is not exactly the king of popularity himself. I do agree that picture's generally are not going to make much difference in most matches in any given contest, but there are certain situations like this one where I think it could be enough to change things. I know I would probably take Final Fantasy X over SSBM again if they met. Of course, I would be assuming CJayC would not pull a similar stunt with the picture again. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/29/2006 9:39:59 PM | message detail |
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BOLD prediction: You could throw in Auron and Yuna alongside Tidus,
and SSBM would have still won by practically the same amount. BOLD prediction: Replace Tidus with Auron and FFX wins that poll!! I very much disagree with yours though. Adding in the actual cast of FFX not only would make it more balanced, but would give FFX the win. Huzzah. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/29/2006 9:40:46 PM | message detail |
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Of course, I would be assuming CJayC would not pull a similar stunt with the picture again. lol solid snake --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| TheKeyofDestiny | Posted 5/29/2006 9:43:54 PM | message detail |
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Solid Snake is difference in the sense that ANY sprite you find of him
is going to suck. You CAN make a FFX/SSBM picture NOT suck and be
balanced. --- "You make a good other." |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/29/2006 9:44:25 PM | message detail |
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Heh, oh man...a FF12/13 vs. SSBB picture would be ggrreeaatt to see just how offended Leonhart/HM would be. =P --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/29/2006 9:46:56 PM | message detail |
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No reason to be offended when both Final Fantasy games would be victorious. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/29/2006 9:48:38 PM | message detail |
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If SSBB ends up to be like SSBM, you simply can't convince me FF12 will
be bigger than FFX -- seriously, don't bother. FF13, maybe, but not
FF12..... --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| TheKeyofDestiny | Posted 5/29/2006 9:48:42 PM | message detail |
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I'd love to see FFX beat SSBM in a rematch just to see how stunned everybody would be. --- "You make a good other." |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 5/29/2006 9:50:09 PM | message detail |
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The buzz generated around SSBB would be much lower had Solid Snake
not appeared at the end of that trailer. It was totally unexpected and
was a shock to everyone. Everyone went into E3 expecting Super Smash
Bros., possibly even playable on the show floor. If the trailer they
showed lacked Solid Snake, it would not have been talked about nearly
as much. That is not to say people would have ignored it, but its hype
would be considerably lower. Yeah, that I agree with it. Honestly, I would have understood if there had been negative feedback even after that trailer. The sequel to melee, especially with four player online expected, is hugely anticipated, and then that's all we get? I know wii isn't about graphics, but it is still supposed to be better than gc. That trailer doesn't have the epic feel the opening to melee does, and the stage of production that game is in, after all these years, is very underwhelming. --- Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/29/2006 9:51:07 PM | message detail |
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Why is that? Final Fantasy XII is being talked about as the best Final Fantasy since Final Fantasy VII by multiple sources. I have not read a single bad review of the game since it came out in Japan. Everyone
who has played it has loved it. On top of that, Square is going all out
in making a superb translation and racking up some big voice actors. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 5/29/2006 9:51:50 PM | message detail |
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I'd love to see FFX beat SSBM in a rematch just to see how stunned everybody would be. I'd love to see it too. Always wanted to have a little look around BIZARRO WORLD. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| TheKeyofDestiny | Posted 5/29/2006 9:52:34 PM | message detail |
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Well, it's going to have the same hindrance working against it that FFIX: Being released at the very end of a system's lifespan. Granted, with how utterly ridiculous the PS3's price is, I don't think it'll hurt it quite as badly as it did FFIX. Plus, people have been waiting 5 years for the next TRUE Final Fantasy. --- "You make a good other." |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 5/29/2006 9:53:16 PM | message detail |
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Why is that? Final Fantasy XII is being talked about as the best
Final Fantasy since Final Fantasy VII by multiple sources. I have not
read a single bad review of the game since it came out in Japan.
Everyone who has played it has loved it. On top of that, Square is
going all out in making a superb translation and racking up some big
voice actors. It's being released around the same time as two huge system launches and Twilight Princess. It'll sell millions, but it simply won't have the thunder or the time in the spotlight that FFX had. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 5/29/2006 10:01:20 PM | message detail |
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And just as I post that, I remember that FFX was also released around
the same time as two console launches, Metal Gear Solid 2, and Grand
Theft Auto III. =P --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/29/2006 10:01:47 PM | message detail |
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Twilight Princess? There is no point in even bringing up Twilight Princess. Final Fantasy has always
outsold a Zelda game. It isn't going to have to worry about being
overshadowed there. Both are ridiculously hyped and anticipated titles,
too. FFXI has also already gathered up 2.2 million sales in Japan,
which is about equal to FFX within the same timeframe. The PlayStation
2 does not look to be stopping in sales any time soon either, as Sony
has a number of exclusive games coming out well into 2007 for the
system. There is a point to be made in the fact that there are two system's coming out. No singular game is going to overshadow the game in the slightest, but the system's could end up being an issue. Still, it should sell extremely well, as people have been waiting a long time for this -- a development cycle of six years for this game, which is unnaturally long. It'll have the sales and the attention it'll need to be very popular here. There is just no way I can see Final Fantasy XII losing anything by releasing when it is on GameFAQs. This site of all places isn't going to put its attention on other things when the next big Final Fantasy comes out. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| TheKeyofDestiny | Posted 5/29/2006 10:02:30 PM | message detail |
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Well, Final Fantasy X had the added advantage of being ridiculously awesome, so that never hurts. Hopefully, Final Fantasy XII is the same way, though I'm still worried about that main character... --- "You make a good other." |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/29/2006 10:08:09 PM | message detail |
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I didn't even realize that myself. Though it did come out after the
Xbox and GameCube had released whereas FFXII is coming out before.
Well, given that the Wii is supposedly hitting stores in October, they
may release within a couple of weeks of each other. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/29/2006 10:10:06 PM | message detail |
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| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/29/2006 10:10:54 PM | message detail |
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Vaan is actually not regarded as the "main" character of the game in
the way Tidus, Squall, or Cloud are. You apparently do not even have to
have him in your party, you don't have to control him, and the only
time he must be the "avatar" is when you enter into towns, I believe.
Most people seem to say that Balthier is the main character of the
actual storyline. Vaan just lacks the prominence that a main character
usually has, apparently. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| TheKeyofDestiny | Posted 5/29/2006 10:12:15 PM | message detail |
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Well, you technically didn't have to have Tidus in your party either, if you didn't want to. Still, Balthier being the main driving character of the storyline makes me happy. He's the one guy I've thought I would like the most from the beginning. --- "You make a good other." |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/29/2006 10:12:50 PM | message detail |
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Everytime I come to this board that "Nominate." topic at the top always disturbs me. BE REPLACED ALREADY --- ertyu and VeghEsther are truly proof that there is much about this world we still do not understand. |
| therealmnm | Posted 5/29/2006 10:14:23 PM | message detail |
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The buzz generated around SSBB would be much lower had Solid Snake
not appeared at the end of that trailer. It was totally unexpected and
was a shock to everyone. Everyone went into E3 expecting Super Smash
Bros., possibly even playable on the show floor. If the trailer they
showed lacked Solid Snake, it would not have been talked about nearly
as much. That is not to say people would have ignored it, but its hype
would be considerably lower. As I said before, replace Snake with Sonic or Mega Man and the buzz would have been the same. SSBB didn't specifically need Solid Snake to shock everyone, although it is agreed upon that without him it wouldn't be talked about as much. I maintain that the buzz is centralized on the fact that more third-party characters are now a possibility. As for FFXII, I still need to play the demo I copped off my friend months ago. I started playing it for a minute, but I wasn't really in the mood to explore it. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| TheKeyofDestiny | Posted 5/29/2006 10:16:03 PM | message detail |
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But the fact of the matter is that it was STILL Solid Snake, not Sonic
or Mega Man. Yes, the buzz would have been big, but it still wasn't
them. --- "You make a good other." |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/29/2006 10:21:17 PM | message detail |
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As for FFXII, I still need to play the demo I copped off my friend
months ago. I started playing it for a minute, but I wasn't really in
the mood to explore it. I actually suggest not playing the demo. That sounds strange, I know. But most people seem to agree that the demo is not a good indicator of what the final game is like. I don't know many people who actually liked what they saw in the demo, but I suppose you can give it a shot. << --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 5/29/2006 10:21:43 PM | message detail |
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Everytime I come to this board that "Nominate." topic at the top always disturbs me. BE REPLACED ALREADY Heh, you're telling me. Sometimes when I take a quick glance at the topic, the word "nominate" looks different, so I freak out for a split second before being slapped with the glove of reality. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/29/2006 10:22:46 PM | message detail |
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The worst is accidentally being on another page, not realizing it, and
then seeing the "Nominate" topic gone, which leads me to think the
bracket is going to be up. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| Lopen | Posted 5/29/2006 10:24:46 PM | message detail |
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Indeed... that's fooled me a couple of times, sadly. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 5/29/2006 10:28:59 PM | message detail |
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"Final Fantasy has always outsold a Zelda game." You mean since 7, right? Cause really, before that they were not impressive in sales and Zelda has always been a great seller for Nintendo. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/29/2006 10:33:30 PM | message detail |
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| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/29/2006 10:34:13 PM | message detail |
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True, true. Final Fantasy didn't really get huge in sales until Final
Fantasy VII. So starting from FFVII and OoT, Final Fantasy has been the
top seller among the two. It created enough of a difference where that
the Final Fantasy franchise has sold 60 million -- which makes it the
third selling franchise behind Mario and Pokemon -- total and The
Legend of Zelda has sold 47 million. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 5/29/2006 10:34:17 PM | message detail |
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I thought Nintendo said that LoZ hit 50 mil. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 5/29/2006 10:34:46 PM | message detail |
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Okay, that's better. 47 seems more realistic than 40. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/29/2006 10:37:49 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1834 So Mega Man X v. Mega Man (Original), who wins?! --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| Lopen | Posted 5/29/2006 10:39:21 PM | message detail |
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I know that's a joke, but you can't quite count Mega Man out, there. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |