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| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/28/2006 10:38:45 AM | message detail |
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| The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/28/2006 10:39:32 AM | message detail |
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Sub Zero reminds me of Shredder there for some reason --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 5/28/2006 10:47:00 AM | message detail |
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Metal Gear has a lot of different games to pull from -- Metal Gear
Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2, and Metal Gear Solid 3, most prominently.
They likely do not have much contribution the strength, but there are a
number of other games that fall under "Metal Gear" as well. Super Smash
Bros. Melee may beat any single Metal Gear Solid game, but this is a
series contest for a reason. Metal Gear pulls from every single game as
a contributor to the series, not just one. The Metal Gear franchise
would be much stronger, I would suspect, than any single Metal Gear
Solid game. This is definitely a valid point. If people actually do change their style of voting based on the contest, then established, long-running series that have had a home on many systems (Metal Gear, Resident Evil, Castlevania, etc.), may hold a slight edge. There's really no way we can prove or disprove this theory until the contest begins, so for the time being, we can only speculate and hope we guess correctly come bracket time. we have not had the opportunity to see Metal Gear Solid 3 perform in a contest setting -- and it has been more well received than Metal Gear Solid 2, which stands as the strongest Metal Gear Solid game right now. We haven't seen Metal Gear Solid 3 either, which I believe would be the strongest of the three. Here's where we disagree. Whereas you think MGS3 would be the strongest, I think it would be the weakest. Metal Gear Solid started the phenomenon. It turned millions of gamers into devoted fans and had people arguing whether it or OoT was the game of the year. Throughout 2001, Metal Gear Solid 2 was regarded as one of the most anticipated games of all time. In a holiday season that featured GTAIII, SSBM, and Halo, it was MGS2 that people wanted. The hype eclipsed anything the gaming industry had seen in years. Even though those other releases went on to sell more copies and garner more fans, MGS2 still sold over 2 million in the States. Metal Gear Solid 3, on the other hand, did not have nearly the impact of its older brothers. Once again, it was released alongside a GTA and a Halo, but this time, it was the one that was overshadowed with hype. The anticipation was not nearly as great. The buzz was not there, or at least not as potent. Even though, as you said, it was pretty well received by fans (it's definitely my favorite MGS game), it has only produced half of MGS2's sales in the US. Metal Gear Solid 3 has recency on its side, but I don't see much else. If SSBM can score 56% on MGS2, I wouldn't be surprised to see it hit 60% against 3. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| therealmnm | Posted 5/28/2006 10:54:10 AM | message detail |
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Okay HM, you obviously aren't a Mortal Kombat fan by any means, so I
don't see how I can take your arguments about what makes Sub-Zero more
popular than Scorpion in any light. I just have to say a few things
though. There has been nothing particularly impressive about Mortal Kombat recently. They have released more entries into the series and they may be better than what they offered during the beginning of this generation, but it is nothing that strikes me as reason to maintain its popularity over the years. We're not talking about a reason to maintain its popularity over all of its years. We're talking about a reason for MK to maitain its popularity from 2003 to 2006. You seem to be under the impression that Scorpion or Sub-Zero currently need games to maintain their midcard status. As I said, in 2k2 there hadn't been a significant Mortal Kombat release in years. Yet Scorpion was able to hold his own. Deadly Alliance came and went and Scorpion still held his own. We all know that Mortal Kombat was at it's peak in popularity years ago. Why the hell would Scorpion need new games now to keep his relative popularity when he had been able to do so for years before? People know who Sub-Zero and Scorpion are. They don't need a constant flow of games to maintain popularity, just like Ryu and Ken don't. And yes, compared to 2k2, Mortal Kombat has had a resurgence. Sure it's not the circle of attention in the fighting genre like it used to be, but it has recent games that have been received well from its general fanbase, something it had not had in years. The series has been successful enough in the past year or so to warrant another release this fall. Sure, the games may not be game of the year material, but they have drawn interest back into Mortal Kombat by its fanbase. I don't see how you can deny this. There's been nothing particularly impressive about the MK series recently? Have you even played Shaolin Monks? The game is basically an extremely fun co-op beat-em-up that plays through Mortal Kombat 2's storyline, which happens to be the most popular game in the series. Oh yeah, Sub-Zero and Scorp make appearances in the game and also become playable. Oh good grief, are you talking about Mortal Kombat Mythologies? That game was horrible. The game was not popular nor is it something that should be pointed as being a reason for Sub-Zero being over Scorpion. What? Mortal Kombat Mythologies may not have been the best game by any means. But it was more than enough to make Sub-Zero more popular than Scorpion among the fanbase, which is the whole reason I even brought the game up. It would be ridiculous to deny that. Hell, it's the main reason I became a big Sub-Zero fan. Ryu and Ken were very similar in the beginning, but they are very different now. They have two separate playing styles and two completely different personalities -- something that actually can be conveyed through fighting games now as opposed to back during Street Fighter II. Sub-Zero and Scorpion are practically the same visually, except one wears blue and the other yellow. Their play styles are different, yeah, but that's mostly thanks to Sub-Zero's freezing attacks. And I still maintain that Ryu and Ken are more similar than Scorpion and Sub-Zero. We've been through this before. The only thing Scorp and Sub-Zero share are looks. Everything else about them is completely different. I don't know why you are even trying to refute this. At this point, it looks like you are arguing and ranting just for the sake of argument. Especially since you are by no means a fan of the Mortal Kombat series in the first place... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| LordOfDabu | Posted 5/28/2006 10:54:26 AM | message detail |
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I personally would be really surprised to see Metal Gear Solid best
Smash Brothers in a contest setting. Then again, I'm also surprised
anyone would like Akuma, so my opinion probably isn't worth much. --- "I wish I was uniformly bounded; That is what I'd truly like to be. For if I was uniformly bounded; I would be less than infinity." |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/28/2006 10:56:32 AM | message detail |
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I actually retract the thought that Metal Gear Solid 3 would be the
strongest because I was going purely off of what the stats said -- and
that was that Metal Gear Solid 2 was the strongest. I didn't want to
bring up the idea that Metal Gear Solid could have been SFFed, which I
believe it was, by FFVII and start that whole thing up again. That Top
100 list does make a good case for it, too. So I would believe the
actual chain goes MGS > MGS3 > MGS2. You mentioned that Metal Gear Solid 3 was up against Grand Theft Auto and Halo, much like its predecessor was. However, Metal Gear Solid 3 was going up against more highly anticipated games. Halo 2 hype far exceed any hype the original Halo had; Grand Theft Auto : San Andreas was extremely hyped, too. Both San Andreas and Halo 2 went on to sell far more copies than their predecessors on a worldwide scale, too. Metal Gear Solid 3 did churn out an impressive 1.42 million copies in the US and 3.75 million on a worldwide scale. It should be noted that Metal Gear Solid 3 has not had the same time to gather sales like Metal Gear Solid 2 did. The re-release, Subsistence, is also the highest rated game of the three, too. It's possible that it may be weaker than MGS2, but it certainly is not going to drag behind by much at all. It was very well received by fans and critics alike, as most Metal Gear Solid games are. It's hard for me to imagine it would be that much lesser to the point where SSBM is getting 60% on it. I still believe MGS3 ranks ahead of MGS2, but indeed behind MGS. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/28/2006 11:02:10 AM | message detail |
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There were not any noticeable problems with the latest stats though. ...Samus is between Kirby and Zelda. With the unadjusted stats, Tidus beats Ganon with 52.71%, and Ganon got 54.1% on Auron. Hell, relooking at those stats, Rikku should get 51.52% on Auron. That's a noticeable problem with the latest stats. Judging from Auron's strength in 2005, and just off my last glance, Scorpion dropped by like 2%. That's not absolute nor is it certain, but Auron either dropped down in 2005 or Scorpion dropped. I'm not sure how it could come out to being even. Mario/Samus. Street Fighter Anniversary Collection came out in 2004, Street Fighter Alpha 3 MAX came out in 2006 on the PSP, Street Fighter Alpha Anthology comes out in June on the PS2, and the biggest of releases is Street Fighter II : Hyper Fighting coming out pretty soon on Xbox Live Arcade. That is going to be very big -- bigger than any Mortal Kombat release, I would wager. SFA3M is a PSP game, so I wouldn't count alot on it. Is SFAA like the equivilent of MMXC for Mega Man? I'll reserve judgment on SF2:HF on XLA for now. Mortal Kombat's strongest representative, as of now, is not all that strong himself. It is pretty rough when you're only representative, and currently strongest, is that weak. I really do not see why Scorpion would maintain that strength for so long. I would not expect a complete dropoff, but dropping at this point would seem more likely to me than staying constant. I can't think of another series off the top of my head that's had what's likely to be its best rep snubbed for somebody else like Mortal Kombat. Who knows how much stronger Sub-Zero is than Scorpion, but because you would imagine Scorpion should drop off some because he's MK's strongest rep to date and isn't all that strong doesn't mean Sub-Zero will drop as fast nor be as weak. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/28/2006 11:03:18 AM | message detail |
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Sub-Zero: not only a huge fan of Shredder, but also hates PETA. Look at that neck-warmer..... --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 5/28/2006 11:09:56 AM | message detail |
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Sub-Zero: not only a huge fan of Shredder, but also hates PETA. *votes Sub-Zero over everyone* --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/28/2006 11:11:55 AM | message detail |
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| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/28/2006 11:13:11 AM | message detail |
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Okay HM, you obviously aren't a Mortal Kombat fan by any means, so I
don't see how I can take your arguments about what makes Sub-Zero more
popular than Scorpion in any light. I just have to say a few things
though. I am not by any means a Mortal Kombat fan. It is actually probably my least favorite series in all of gaming. That does not take away from my knowledge about the games and the characters in the games and my ability to make points on this particular subject. I'm not trying to view your statements as lesser because you are a fan of Sub-Zero, especially over Scorpion in this particular case. We're not talking about a reason to maintain its popularity over all of its years. We're talking about a reason for MK to maitain its popularity from 2003 to 2006. You seem to be under the impression that Scorpion or Sub-Zero currently need games to maintain their midcard status. As I said, in 2k2 there hadn't been a significant Mortal Kombat release in years. Yet Scorpion was able to hold his own. Deadly Alliance came and went and Scorpion still held his own. We all know that Mortal Kombat was at it's peak in popularity years ago. Why the hell would Scorpion need new games now to keep his relative popularity when he had been able to do so for years before? People know who Sub-Zero and Scorpion are. They don't need a constant flow of games to maintain popularity, just like Ryu and Ken don't. It certainly helps if character have games that are released and are significant to maintain strength over the years. People can know full well who you are, but that does not mean they are going to vote for you as a result. I do not see Scorpion coming back for 2006 and being equal to his 2003 value at all. I would have a hard time seeing that true for any character after missing a year and having nothing in his/her favor as a result, especially with a fighting game character. There's been nothing particularly impressive about the MK series recently? Have you even played Shaolin Monks? The game is basically an extremely fun co-op beat-em-up that plays through Mortal Kombat 2's storyline, which happens to be the most popular game in the series. Oh yeah, Sub-Zero and Scorp make appearances in the game and also become playable. Deception was a semi-decent step in the right direction for Mortal Kombat, but outside of that ... no, I cannot see how on earth you call the games released as a "resurgence" for the series. A revival of the series has by no means even come close to happening in the past couple of years. It needs something really fantastic in order for that to happen, not just some "good" games released. And no, I stopped bothering even playing those spin-off type games after I played Mythologies. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/28/2006 11:13:31 AM | message detail |
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What? Mortal Kombat Mythologies may not have been the best game by any means. Best? That game was completely and utterly mediocre. It was reviewed that way and it played that way. It was an absolute joke. Yeah, you get to play as Sub-Zero in the Mortal Kombat universe and it isn't a fighting game. Woohoo. You get to play as Shadow the Hedgehog in his own game, too, and it sucks ass. I find it pointless to bring up something that is not going to make any difference in the actual voting. I would be floored if someone voted for Sub-Zero based upon Mythologies. And I still maintain that Ryu and Ken are more similar than Scorpion and Sub-Zero. We've been through this before. The only thing Scorp and Sub-Zero share are looks. Hey, guess what? Ryu and Ken does not even share the similarity in looks. Both of them play entirely different, they act entirely different, and they look different. Scorpion and Sub-Zero are different too. They are not the same character with a different color, but I'm not sure what you're using to determine that Ryu and Ken are more simlar. Especially since you are by no means a fan of the Mortal Kombat series in the first place... And you are an apparent fan. I'm glad we know where we stand. Now I wonder why it matters in the slightest. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 5/28/2006 11:17:43 AM | message detail |
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Why does SUB-ZERO need a neck warmer, anyway? THIS IS CHARACTER DESIGN RUN AMOK! --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| LordOfDabu | Posted 5/28/2006 11:17:50 AM | message detail |
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My take on the posted bracket (for whatever that's worth): Final Fantasy slaughters Tetris Grand Theft Auto beats Street Fighter Megaman X beats Donkey Kong by more than people guessed Metroid beats Elder Scrolls Metal Gear kills Pokémon Kingdom Hearts and Castlevania goes the way of Sora vs Alucard Megaman beats Mortal Kombat Super Smash Bros. edges by Warcraft, causing people to call the division for Metal Gear Legend of Zelda makes Pac-Man look like fodder Soul Calibur squeaks by Resident Evil Mario Kart beats Star Fox Sonic massacres Tales Super Mario Bros. soundly beats Tomb Raider Final Fantasy Tactics beats Devil May Cry Diablo beats Halo despite all the claims of cheating Half-Life gets Gordan for a picture -- Final Fantasy continues its streak by slaughtering GTA Metroid gets the SM Samus sprite and loses to X Kingdom Hearts gives Metal Gear the fight of its life, but Metal Gear holds on thanks to bracket voters Smash beats Rockman Zelda wins Sonic takes the win, but not by as much as he should Mario Chrono wins so people can see the rematch they love seeing. -- Final Fantasy gets a solid victory over X Smash smashes Metal Gear. Surprisingly, only the stat topic complains. Zelda makes its whole division look weaker than it really is Mario claims another victory, with lots of complains Then it becomes Final Fantasy vs Zelda, which has been discussed plenty. --- "I wish I was uniformly bounded; That is what I'd truly like to be. For if I was uniformly bounded; I would be less than infinity." |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/28/2006 11:21:35 AM | message detail |
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...Samus is between Kirby and Zelda. With the unadjusted stats,
Tidus beats Ganon with 52.71%, and Ganon got 54.1% on Auron. Hell,
relooking at those stats, Rikku should get 51.52% on Auron. That's a
noticeable problem with the latest stats. I never look at the unadjusted stats. I was looking at only the adjusted stats, which put Samus slightly under Mario. It as good a position as any for right now. She may be slightly higher, but that still does not take away from the fact that Auron is not significantly higher than Tidus that year. SFA3M is a PSP game, so I wouldn't count alot on it. Is SFAA like the equivilent of MMXC for Mega Man? I'll reserve judgment on SF2:HF on XLA for now. Pretty much. Street Fighter Anthology has Street Fighter Alpha, Street Fighter Alpha 2, Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold, and Street Fighter Alpha 3 packaged into the collection. We'll get to see some of the effects of Street Fighter II : Hyper Fighter pretty soon, too. Being able to play online is going to rock with that. Who knows how much stronger Sub-Zero is than Scorpion, but because you would imagine Scorpion should drop off some because he's MK's strongest rep to date and isn't all that strong doesn't mean Sub-Zero will drop as fast nor be as weak. Instead of looking at Scorpion, based on the adjusted stats, how far along are you willing to take Sub-Zero before you stop? I cannot imagine anything over Alucard's position, myself. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 5/28/2006 11:28:43 AM | message detail |
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Akuma's one of those characters that gets debated every few months..
I'd like to see him in a contest to get the speculation over with. You know who else this applies to? Serge. </shameless plug> The Games Contest showed us that SSBM can beat anything Metal Gear without a bit of trouble It beat Metal Gear Solid 2 with 56%, which--though a blowout by Ulti's standards--is not that big of a victory. I think it's possible that the original Metal Gear Solid can make up enough of a difference to keep it close. Heck, I'd take it over Vice City and it came decently close to SSBM. Then again, the influence and power of SSBM gets overhyped beyond measure by this board, and I don't feel like arguing about it, so I'll leave it at that. I'd join the rally if you or Leonhart make it; you two are passionate enough about it and I know it won't die if one of you two run it. Heh, I've got too many rallies of my own to deal with. I think people are pretty burned out with mine anyway. Somebody needs to get a Seifer and/or Laguna rally restarted though... Also, I can tell you that, as big of a Sub-Zero fan as I am, MK Mythologies sucked. I could hardly play it. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/28/2006 11:32:44 AM | message detail |
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I plan to at least do the Laguna rally once we get closer to the
character contest. I have about 25 or so of the people who signed up
saved. I guess I'll tackle that Akuma one too!! --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 5/28/2006 11:33:42 AM | message detail |
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I'm looking over the Sp2K4 match results, and it's just amazing how unpopular
this contest really was in the grand scheme of things. Super Smash
Bros. Melee vs. Final Fantasy X drew a paltry 82,000 votes. Wow. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 5/28/2006 11:35:13 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, I know. Even the vote totals on good matches sucked. There's another reason we need another games contest. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 5/28/2006 11:36:03 AM | message detail |
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Bah, I guess I'll probably have to make room for Akuma somewhere... --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| Slowflake | Posted 5/28/2006 11:38:56 AM | message detail |
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Heh, Sonic vs. Tales. I didn't even realize it until now. --- Also, eat from garbage cans as much as possible, because nobody in America ever throws away anything that can make you fat. -MYC health tip |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/28/2006 11:41:33 AM | message detail |
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It depends on where you keep Alucard at. Here's how I'm looking at
Sub-Zero...you can use Scorpion 2k3 or Tails 2k4 to try to figure out
where Auron is, thus try to figure out where Scorpion was in 2k4...I'm
pretty content with Scorpion 2k3's value, though (memory don't fail me
now.....) Tails 2k4 would put him even higher. Regardless, Scorpion 2k3
converts to almost exactly 23% (23.06%) against Link 2k4/2k5...and I
give Sub-Zero the benefit of about a percent, maybe two -- we'll go the
conservative route and say an even 24%. Now, by MY 2k5 stats, I have Alucard at 24.08%...but at the same time, Tails and Scorpion had very similar performances against Auron in 2k3/2k4 (35.53% and 35.15%), not to mention Tails got 45.68% against Alucard in 2k2. I don't see Alucard being as strong as he once was, and I may see Sub-Zero being stronger than Scorpion...but, despite them probably having a pretty close match and I wouldn't rule it a guaranteed win for Alucard, I'll still feel pretty good about having Alucard > Sub-Zero. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| therealmnm | Posted 5/28/2006 11:54:40 AM | message detail |
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It certainly helps if character have games that are released and are
significant to maintain strength over the years. People can know full
well who you are, but that does not mean they are going to vote for you
as a result. I do not see Scorpion coming back for 2006 and being equal
to his 2003 value at all. I would have a hard time seeing that true for
any character after missing a year and having nothing in his/her favor
as a result, especially with a fighting game character. It's not like Scorpion is incredibly powerful in the first place. He's a midcarder. He doesn't need much to be able to have a decent showing in the first place. Especially as a fighting game character. I see how you listed all of those recent Street Fighter games. If Street Fighter only had 1 or 2 games out recently, I don't think it would matter much. Ryu and Ken would still be just about as popular as always. Fighting games aren't like a Metal Gear Solid where you need new games and continuation of the storyline to maintain popularity. You can pick up a fighting game at anytime and have fun with it. New games really don't mean that much to fighting game characters, which is all I'm trying to point out. Deception and Shaolin Monks are more than enough for Scorp to maintain low-midcarder status. It's not that hard to get there in the first place. Deception was a semi-decent step in the right direction for Mortal Kombat, but outside of that ... no, I cannot see how on earth you call the games released as a "resurgence" for the series. A revival of the series has by no means even come close to happening in the past couple of years. You missed when I said compared to 2k2. It's all relative. Again, I wasn't saying that it was a return to its glory days. But compared to 2k2 when Mortal Kombat was pretty much dead in the water, the series has revived. I mean, even Shaolin Monks was enough to hold that up. I'm not talking earth shattering movements for the series, but it's at least talked about again in MK circles. Best? That game was completely and utterly mediocre. It was reviewed that way and it played that way. It was an absolute joke. Yeah, you get to play as Sub-Zero in the Mortal Kombat universe and it isn't a fighting game. Woohoo. You get to play as Shadow the Hedgehog in his own game, too, and it sucks ass. I find it pointless to bring up something that is not going to make any difference in the actual voting. I would be floored if someone voted for Sub-Zero based upon Mythologies. And Shadow got his own game in the series because he is relatively popular. Shadow the Hedgehog isn't why he's popular. It's the same for Sub-Zero. I was pointing out MKM as proof that Sub-Zero is more popular than Scorpion among it's fans and that it's one of many reasons why he is as such. So no, people aren't going to single out MKM as a reason to vote for Sub-Zero. But it adds to why they like Sub-Zero. And again, we're talking midcarders. It's not like we're discussing Subby to at overly popular, near-elite status. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| therealmnm | Posted 5/28/2006 11:56:50 AM | message detail |
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Hey, guess what? Ryu and Ken does not even share the similarity in
looks. Both of them play entirely different, they act entirely
different, and they look different. Scorpion and Sub-Zero are different
too. They are not the same character with a different color, but I'm
not sure what you're using to determine that Ryu and Ken are more
simlar. Are you serious? Ken starting off as player two for Street Fighter? Both using the same style and training under the same master? Both wearing similar garbs? Having the same moveset for years until Capcom begin to differentiate a bit (how many Shokotan style fighters have there been anyways?). Of course Ken and Ryu have differentiated enough to give reasons to like one over the other, but I still don't see how they can be viewed as differing more from each other than Sub-Zero and Scorpion, whose only similarites are in their appearance. And you are an apparent fan. I'm glad we know where we stand. Now I wonder why it matters in the slightest. Because you are so quick to write off reasons why Sub-Zero would be more popular than Scorpion when there are multiple people in this very topic who are bigger fans of the series and happen to like Sub-Zero better than Scorpion. You keep saying "you don't see how 'x' would matter" when there have been multiple people in this topic alone to discern that, let alone MK fans as a whole. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/28/2006 11:58:07 AM | message detail |
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And Shadow got his own game in the series because he is relatively
popular. Shadow the Hedgehog isn't why he's popular. It's the same for
Sub-Zero. I was pointing out MKM as proof that Sub-Zero is more popular
than Scorpion among it's fans and that it's one of many reasons why he
is as such. So no, people aren't going to single out MKM as a reason to
vote for Sub-Zero. But it adds to why they like Sub-Zero. And again,
we're talking midcarders. It's not like we're discussing Subby to at
overly popular, near-elite status. Bingo. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/28/2006 12:02:29 PM | message detail |
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I, personally, don't care much for fighting games not named Super Smash
Bros. -- my favorite probably being Tekken if I had to choose -- and I
prefer Reptile to both Sub-Zero and Scorpion (hey, look, all
ninjas!)...but the case is still out there and it's hard not to pursue
it because Akuma would have an uphill battle against Subby. Not
impossible -- I've been known to over-estimate and under-estimate
before, like anybody else...but Akuma's no instant-gimme in that one. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 5/28/2006 12:05:58 PM | message detail |
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Here we go! / (1) Final Fantasy / (4) Grand Theft Auto (very cool matchup) / (3) Megaman X (eh, it would perform better as Donkey Kong Country) / (2) Metroid (good to see Scrolls listed) / (1) Metal Gear (boo, Pokemon deserves better!) / (4) Kingdom Hearts (great match) / (3) Megaman / (2) Super Smash Bros. / (1) Legend of Zelda / (4) Resident Evil / (3) Mario Kart (decent match, but both are too interesting for an SFF match) / (2) Sonic the Hedgehog / (1) Super Mario Bros. / (4) Final Fantasy Tactics (cool) / (3) Halo (love it) / (2) Chrono (ugh, HL deserves better!) --- / (1) Final Fantasy / (2) Metroid (love it) / (1) Metal Gear (another good one) / (2) Super Smash Bros. (awesome) / (1) Legend of Zelda / (2) Sonic the Hedgehog (but don't count Kart out!) / (1) Super Mario Bros. / (2) Chrono (awesome) --- / (1) Final Fantasy (best spot for Metroid, good work) / (2) Super Smash Bros. (match of the year!) / (1) Legend of Zelda / (1) Super Mario Bros. (like the Mario/Chrono rematch, though finally seeing Mario/Sonic would also be pretty cool) --- / (1) Final Fantasy (will Brawl hype improve the Melee/FF7 performance?) / (1) Legend of Zelda (I bet Mario keeps it close though) --- / (1) Legend of Zelda (for the upset!) --- My goodness, Slow... I don't know if you tracked the comments I was making on previous brackets back before your official return, but you literally did everything right with this bracket. Well, I still think DKC would avoid the anti-voting that DK is bound to see, and Pokemon and HL will be stronger than your seeds give them credit for, but that's minor. All the main points (Mario/Zelda, Zelda/FF final, Metroid avoiding SFF, Melee/MGS/MM for an insane division) played out exactly as I've been suggesting all along! Bravo! I give this bracket my first 10/10. --- "lol x-stats" - The Contest Simulator: http://thengamer.com/xstats Ngamer's Contest Archives: http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/ |
| therealmnm | Posted 5/28/2006 12:06:11 PM | message detail |
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Oh, don't get me wrong. Akuma is more than capable of beating Sub-Zero.
We already know that Street Fighter is a more popular series than
Mortal Kombat. And Akuma has had the added benefit of being featured in
all of the Vs. games. He's almost guaranteed to be stronger than M.
Bison. Bison may be known as the Street Fighter villain from the first
game, but Street Fighter is much more known for its gameplay than its
storyline. And in that aspect, Akuma murders Bison. (Pun intended <_<) --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/28/2006 12:09:13 PM | message detail |
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Also, for what it's worth, Bison could be under-rated because of Diablo
-- Diablo's site linked to him every match that contest except for
Diablo/Ganon. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| LordOfDabu | Posted 5/28/2006 12:09:30 PM | message detail |
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Just so I have an idea of where people stand on the series, which of the other 31 series do you think Metal Gear CANNOT beat? For me, I'd say Final Fantasy Legend of Zelda Super Mario Bros. Super Smash Bros. Chrono I think the above are the five strongest series in the bracket. However, from the arguments I'm seeing here I think some would disagree about the last two. Metal Gear in the top 4 just doesn't seem reasonable to me. I think the people excited about the E3 announcements were the ones who already loved MGS anyway; I don't think it's going to bring new fans to the series or swing votes towards it. But that's just me. --- "I wish I was uniformly bounded; That is what I'd truly like to be. For if I was uniformly bounded; I would be less than infinity." |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 5/28/2006 12:13:37 PM | message detail |
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"I would be floored if someone voted for Sub-Zero based upon Mythologies. " I think you're all looking at it backwards. He was the most popular character already, THEN they decided to give him his own game. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Slowflake | Posted 5/28/2006 12:15:02 PM | message detail |
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Thing is, I don't consider DKC a spin-off series. --- Also, eat from garbage cans as much as possible, because nobody in America ever throws away anything that can make you fat. -MYC health tip |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 5/28/2006 12:15:05 PM | message detail |
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I'm not so sure about Chrono, but I agree with the other four. Personally, I may also take GTA as an upset pick over MG. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/28/2006 12:19:28 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, GTA is worth noting as a board-upset against MGS. I would take
MGS, but I would think it would be a close match no matter the winner. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 5/28/2006 12:21:35 PM | message detail |
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I think the people excited about the E3 announcements were the ones who already loved MGS anyway Well, Heroic Mario might be the only one, but there's at least one who didn't love MGS who was excited by it. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| therealmnm | Posted 5/28/2006 12:23:23 PM | message detail |
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Bracket time! / (1) Final Fantasy \ (8) Tetris / (4) Grand Theft Auto \ (5) Street Fighter / (3) Megaman X \ (6) Donkey Kong / (2) Metroid \ (7) Elder Scrolls My least favorite division. I feel that Grand Theft Auto is wasted. It definitely needs a bigger challenge than Street Fighter if it's going to be thrown to FFVII like that. It could easily be the second strongest series in the division. Switch it up with Donkey Kong or Elder Scrolls and see what happens. / (1) Metal Gear \ (8) Pokémon / (4) Kingdom Hearts \ (5) Castlevania / (3) Megaman \ (6) Mortal Kombat / (2) Super Smash Bros. \ (7) Warcraft Standard affair. Again, nothing that really made me think much. Castlevania would be better off going up against something like Street Fighter. Or at least Mortal Kombat. Mega Man/Kingdom Hearts would have been a much better matchup. There's no way that Mega Man can hang with Smash Bros. I'd switch Mega Man with Castlevania to make things more interesting on that side of the division (although seedings wouldn't make sense). / (1) Legend of Zelda \ (8) Pac-Man / (4) Resident Evil \ (5) Soul Calibur / (3) Mario Kart \ (6) Star Fox / (2) Sonic the Hedgehog \ (7) Tales Another one I didn't think much on. Basically I think Soul Calibur is overrated, and that Mario Kart is underrated. Sonic could beat Mario Kart, but I don't really see it happening. The Mario crew is more popular than Sonic as a whole, and it's games are definitely more popular. I don't see how Sonic can win that one. / (1) Super Mario Bros. \ (8) Tomb Raider / (4) Final Fantasy Tactics \ (5) Devil May Cry / (3) Halo \ (6) Diablo / (2) Chrono \ (7) Half-Life FFT/DMC is interesting, but seeing how FFT nearly beat MGS, I don't think that beating DMC would be a problem. Whether it is because of the game's popularity or the FF name is another story entirely. Halo/Diablo could be interesting, but I don't think that Diablo is more popular than Starcraft. I don't even think that Starcraft would beat Halo again in a rematch. Halo and Xbox as a whole have become a bigger presence on the site since 2k4. Also, it's about time someone actually sees Chrono as a threat. It may not have depth, but having the third most popular game on this site isn't something to overlook. I only see a few series that I don't think Chrono could handle. FF > Zelda blah blah --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| therealmnm | Posted 5/28/2006 12:25:37 PM | message detail |
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By FFVII, I meant FF... but then again, does it even matter? <_<; --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/28/2006 12:43:44 PM | message detail |
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For the record, I just want to compare MGS with GTA: Top 100 List: MGS - #8, MGS3 - #21 (and has since had Substenance [sp?]), MGS2 - #41 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2179 GTA:SA - #11, GTA3 - #27, GTA:VC - #35 Game Contest: GTA:VC - 34.91% MGS2 - 32.52% MGS - 28.7% (may have been SFF'd by FF7) Metal Gear - 14.13% GotY polls: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2248 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1877 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1876 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1872 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1491 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1489 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1134 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1133 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1131 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1130 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=776 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=775 Not that it's all accurate, but that's a quick run-through I did and that's what I saw that could make this interesting. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 5/28/2006 12:46:57 PM | message detail |
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Odd to see GTA3 soundly ahead of MGS2, but MGS2 not that far behind
GTA: VC (which SHOULD be more popular, if I'm not mistaken. I don't
play the games, so I dunno). Then again, Final Fantasy X slaughtered them all, and it didn't win division 128. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 5/28/2006 12:48:12 PM | message detail |
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Heck, Final Fantasy X-2 didn't do THAT badly against The Wind Waker, which is almost equal to Final Fantasy X. Wonder how well FFX-2 would do in a games contest. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/28/2006 12:53:38 PM | message detail |
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Odd to see GTA3 soundly ahead of MGS2, but MGS2 not that far behind
GTA: VC (which SHOULD be more popular, if I'm not mistaken. I don't
play the games, so I dunno). It may be a coincidence, but it flows nicely with the Top 100 List..... --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Lopen | Posted 5/28/2006 12:57:28 PM | message detail |
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I think you're all looking at it backwards. He was the most popular
character already, THEN they decided to give him his own game. Yeah, and I suppose Jax is the second most popular MK character, right? There's no reason this is true, and I doubt a crappy spinoff like MK Mythologies is going to help him much at all. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/28/2006 1:02:27 PM | message detail |
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Also, for Madden-defenders, I found this along the way of searching the polls: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2141 (the question was "Got Madden?") --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 5/28/2006 2:24:47 PM | message detail |
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Fairly recent poll, too. I think Madden would get rocked by all but the most obscure of series. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| dethfdddddh | Posted 5/28/2006 2:44:35 PM | message detail |
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Shao Khan=Third strongest MK character? >__>; --- Just Got Owned By Guru winner Voltch. |
| jonthomson | Posted 5/28/2006 2:51:57 PM | message detail |
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I just love all the EA hate in that poll. It's so incredibly childish. --- Jon Thomson - CATS, Jay Solano, Ridley, Scorpion, Alien Hominid, Duke Nukem, The Prince, Johnny Rocketfingers, two TBA |
| outback | Posted 5/28/2006 2:55:32 PM | message detail |
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Madden will probably be where we put the fodder line for this one. --- Don't quote me. - Blulum øütßá©k |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/28/2006 3:49:44 PM | message detail |
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Madden wouldn't even be close to the fodder-line. 54.3% of the site
aren't football fans...and 20.44% were boycotting EA as of that poll.
For the 25.26% that leaves left, those fans will still have to decide
if they like Madden more than whatever series it faces. Of that 25.26%,
enough of them liked it enough to get it to be #91 in the Top 100
List...but it was beat by two write-ins, and it doesn't help that the
drop-down box feature only 130 games nor does it help that it doesn't
account for anti-voting. Add to it that EA is more hated here than
Microsoft, and there's no way that it'll be, reach, or see the
fodder-line. Some of my logic is obviously faulty, I admit to it, but it's to make a point more than to figure out where its exact strength is. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/28/2006 4:02:08 PM | message detail |
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I'll laugh when the Summer 2006 Contest starts in October. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM, Fire Emblem 7, Larussa 92 |
| outback | Posted 5/28/2006 4:03:49 PM | message detail |
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I guarantee you that the 54.3% that said they weren't football fans
would be much smaller if there was a "No, I don't want it" option on
there. --- Don't quote me. - Blulum øütßá©k |