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| MegatokyoEd | Posted 5/27/2006 9:16:06 PM | message detail |
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Does Akuma have to resemble Ryu? He's the only true 'badass' character
in the entire series. You can say M. Bison or whatever but when we're
discussing what most people call 'badass', Akuma's the only one that
completely fits the bill. In calling Akuma the strongest Street Fighter character besides Ryu I'm not expecting the Street Fighter fanbase that supports Ken and Chun-Li to back him all the way. I think casual gamers will support him and I have never met a casual fighting gamer fan in my life that doesn't love Akuma. Akuma will be supported by the same people that support Shadow. Elitest of the series might call them black sheep but casuals will support him in droves. You can bring up that Sub-Zero is the face of the casual fighting game fans favorite series in Mortal Kombat. But I can also bring up that many of those same fans might like Akuma by himself more. Of the casual game fighting fans I know they like Mortal Kombat more than Street Fighter but find Akuma himself cooler than anyone in Mortal Kombat. I'm not in anyway saying that most casual fighting game fans think like this but a sizeable number could. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 5/27/2006 9:19:25 PM | message detail |
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"I understand that Akuma's story is something along the lines of being an evil Ryu" I'm going to call it right now and say ya don't. Akuma is not "an evil Ryu". In fact, there is an actual "Evil Ryu" (wihch is just an Edit sprite with an extra couple moves, meh) in a couple games. Akuma =/= Ryu Anyway... I just had an idea that sent a chill up my spine... what if Sub-Zero were to Scorpion as Ryu is to Ken...........? --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Lopen | Posted 5/27/2006 9:22:48 PM | message detail |
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Don't lump me in with the "Sub-Zero and Scorpion are the same" crowd. I
like MK enough to know they're significantly different characters, and
they'll have a different voting base. But will it be that
vastly different, especially as much as the poll implies? Well, I'll
believe it when I see it. To me they're more alike than Ryu and Ken are
(stories are more intertwined I'd say, they look more alike, and their
personalities {what?} aren't as different), despite their move sets
being more different. And the big thing is, it's not always Sub-Zero who is the "poster boy of MK" like Ryu is. It's clear Ryu is "the main character", "the soul of SF". Sub-Zero and Scorpion? Very debatable. Many people might even say Liu Kang or even Raiden is. (they loved his cartwheel attack, I hear !!) We'll see soon enough I guess. Sub-Zero's a lock to get in now anyway. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 5/27/2006 9:26:16 PM | message detail |
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"I like MK enough to know they're significantly different characters," I DON'T like MK all that much myself, and I know that they are significantly different characters. This is common knowledge, and I can't believe people would argue that fact. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/27/2006 9:28:11 PM | message detail |
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So Akuma is the Shadow of the Street Fighter series...fine, let's toy
with this. Shadow = Knuckles last time we saw them (2k4), and Knuckles
is the second-strongest of the Sonic series. Chun-Li had the best last
performance of the three SF characters we've seen not named Ryu, so
let's use her here -- she barely beats Scorpion 2k3 (50.36%...and she's
behind Bowser, so if you believe in the pic-factor and consider
Solid/Bowser, think on it some), so Akuma will have to at least match
that to outdo Scorpion. Where does Sub-Zero fit into this? He
practically has
to beat Scorpion, and I figure he would do a percent or so stronger
indirectly than Scorpion...and Akuma topping that is still a tough sale. I would think most casual fighting fans would stay loyal to their type of series by picking its most popular character than picking one character that casuals like from a series that suits their style less. Debatable, and I could be willing to leave this one at a draw, but I don't see it going in Akuma's favor. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/27/2006 9:33:49 PM | message detail |
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I must have heard about Evil Ryu and Akuma side-by-side in something
then. Care to fill me in on what Akuma's basic role/origin/whatever is? Also, I'm not trying to make it sound like Sub-Zero is to MK what Ryu is to SF -- that's not my point. I may think Sub-Zero is the strongest of the MK characters, and he even has his own game (albeit poorly made), but he's not the icon of his series like Ryu is to his. Then again though, this debate isn't about Sub-Zero/Ryu. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Who Cares? | Posted 5/27/2006 9:34:38 PM | message detail |
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>_> Sakura > Chun-Li > Ken > Ryu> Akuma *runs* --- Nominate Guilty Gear! Let's Rock! |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/27/2006 10:42:36 PM | message detail |
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Sub-Zero > Akuma, period. This is perhaps one of the most assbackwards statements I have ever heard at my time here in the stats topic. Under absolutely no circumstances is Sub-Zero going to be stronger than Akuma. How on earth you came to this conclusion absolutely blows my mind. I'm interested in seeing Akuma in action too, but I've grown skeptical of his strength. Neither Chun-Li nor M. Bison are exactly power-houses, nor was Ken the last time we saw him. Guess what? Akuma would be stronger than Ken, Chun-Lie, or M. Bison. He is very popular amongst the casual fanbase. Akuma is basically the character who just oozes "cool" for the series to those people. He not only looks cool, but has the power and play style in order to nab up those very same casual fans. Chun-Li, M. Bison, and Ken are all popular Street Fighter fans, but I would not think twice if Akuma were to face any of them. He may not have been in Street Fighter II -- he was in Street Fighter II Turbo as a hidden boss -- as a playable character, but that, quite frankly, does not matter at all. You would be horribly over exaggerating how much of an effect Street Fighter II has if you are going to even begin to use the fact that he was not in the game as something to make him weaker than this set. Fortunately, he has appeared in fighting games that really get underestimated in their influence here -- Marvel vs. Capcom games. He has also appeared in Street Fighter Alpha, Capcom vs. SNK, the Street Fighter III games, and, again, in Street Fighter II Turbo has a secret character. No matter how much stronger Sub-Zero is than Scorpion, it's likely Sub-Zero is stronger than Scorpion... There is no guarantee at all that Sub-Zero is actually going to be stronger than Scorpion. The poll you provided has many instances where it is simply incorrect. Auron decimated his poll, but he barely ranks ahead of Tidus in the most recent stats. For a good while, I do believe Tidus was the one ahead. Yoshi dominated his poll against the likes of Mario, Bowser, and Luigi. He's only stronger than one of those characters. If Sub-Zero is stronger than Scorpion, it is going to be by a margin that is not even notable. In an Akuma/Scorpion match, I'm taking the former without much thought. I do not see Sub-Zero making up any difference between the two either -- becuase he's not even guaranteed to be stronger, much less by the margin needed for where I think Akuma would end up. ...so the odds are already against Akuma; we know Akuma is no Ryu, I doubt he's near the fan-favorite that Ken or Chun-Li is, and he doesn't carry the same weight as being the playable final boss in SF2 and other games Aaaaaaand you're wrong. Akuma is a big fan favorite. He is a casual players dream for a number of reasons -- both his look and his playing style. You, again, are doing something absolutely criminal by putting so much stock in how much Street Fighter II matters. The fact that he was not playable in the original Street Fighter II has absolutely nothing to do with how popular he can be. It is beyond foolish to think it is a significant stab against him when he's become so popular without it. And in Street Fighter II Turbo, Akuma would appear at the end, kill Bison, and you would face him. As long as MK's/Scorpion's stock hasn't dropped much/any since 2k3, then Sub-Zero should be stronger than we ever saw Scorpion being -- and MK has done more to keep popular lately than SF, so I'm not going to sweat. ... Uh, what has Mortal Kombat done to not drop these past few years? It has done nothing noteworthy at all -- not that I would consider Mortal Kombat doing anything noteworthy ever, but that's a hate rant for another time -- recently. If anything, I would expect Scorpion to be weaker if he ever got back into the contest -- not that he had any real strength in his latest entry into the contest. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/27/2006 10:56:25 PM | message detail |
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but if you don't think he's at a disadvantage in having the same
weight of the SF fanbase behind him as Ken or Chun-Li because of it,
think again. I fail to see where he's at a disadvantage. Akuma is more popular than Chun-Li or Ken among the casual fighting game fans. I'm not sure why that is so hard to comprehend, but simply because Akuma did not appear in Street Fighter II does not put him at a significant disadvantage against anyone from Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat, save for Ryu. You're right, I can't about Shadow, but I also bet Shadow is more of a favorite in the Sonic series than Akuma is in the Street Fighter series I would also bet that Akuma is more or less exactly in the same situation as Shadow. The new character that gets introduced, is meant to be a "badass," and becomes very popular as a result. Akuma does not suffer from a lack of fans. ...plus, Shadow is a direct physical clone. I understand that Akuma's story is something along the lines of being an evil Ryu ... Where on earth did you hear that? Akuma's storyline is in no way an "evil" Ryu. Akuma is not even necessarily evil himself. Akuma's move set is strikingly similar to Ryu's and Ken's though. He has a hadouken (gadouken) that can be performed in both the air and on the ground; he has the Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku, though it is a bit different; he can teleport all over the screen; he has the Shoryuken; and then some Supers that are similar to Ken and Ryu, but have their distinct differences. He more or less combines different techniques from Ken and Ryu, adds some of his own to it, and is a freakin beast as a result. Akuma was in the MvC games, yes. Guess who else were in it? Ryu, Ken, Chun-Li, and M. Bison. Scorpion, again, is on their levels (except Ryu's), and you haven't touched the idea of Sub-Zero being stronger than that. ... And? The fact that Bison, Ken, and Ryu were in those games as well does nothing to take away from Akuma being in those games. Akuma gets popularity because of his appearances in later games. He would be even more popular if he were a selectable character in the original Street Fighter II, yes. But the fact that he did not appear in them does not mean he's all of a sudden lagging behind Chun-Li, Bison, and Ken. They may have been around longer; they may have been more popular in their prime -- but Akuma is more popular than those characters now. You'd be really out of touch to say he isn't, especially among the casual fans. The sooner you stop focusing on Street Fighter II, the better. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/27/2006 11:14:49 PM | message detail |
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she barely beats Scorpion 2k3 (50.36%...and she's behind Bowser, so
if you believe in the pic-factor and consider Solid/Bowser, think on it
some), so Akuma will have to at least match that to outdo Scorpion.
Where does Sub-Zero fit into this? He practically has to beat Scorpion,
and I figure he would do a percent or so stronger indirectly than
Scorpion...and Akuma topping that is still a tough sale. Now you're going to assume that Scorpion maintains his strength from three years ago. Yeah, right. Chun-Li, for one, is not going to just skid by Scorpion like that. I would not even expect the match to be all that close -- not a blowout, but not close. Similarly, I think Akuma would not have much trouble taking care of Chun-Li -- again, not a blowout, but not close. This leaves Sub-Zero to not only be stronger than Scorpion, but be quite a few percentage points stronger than him. I do not even expect to see Sub-Zero stronger than Scorpion by anything other than a very marginal amount. I wouldn't even take Sub-Zero over Chun-Li, much less Akuma. You're practically relying on Scorpion to maintain old strength years later ... that's not happening. I must have heard about Evil Ryu and Akuma side-by-side in something then. Care to fill me in on what Akuma's basic role/origin/whatever is? Akuma is Gouken's brother -- master of Ken and Ryu -- who was taught a style called "Ansatuken," and a technique called "Shun Goku Satsu." After learning the technique and becoming familiar with the style, he went to fight his master (as well as Gouken's master) and killed him. He then went to challenge his brother to a fight to the death, and though he lost, his brother refused to kill him and as a result ended up getting killed himself. After that, he went searching for a worthy opponent. He eventually fought Ryu, the match ended in a draw, and he told Ryu to face him later once he embraced the killing intent. Some time after that he killed Bison in the second World Warrior Tournament and then has been developing his skills and fighting style. It's just a brief little overview of his story, but yeah ... --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| Heroic Dr Wily | Posted 5/27/2006 11:19:29 PM | message detail |
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Another thing with the MvC games is that you have to choose 2-3 characters. --- Even my explosion is beautiful!~Launch Octopus http://www.crunkgames.com/profiles/psx/sarockman/media/sarockman033.jpg |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/27/2006 11:21:53 PM | message detail |
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And Sub-Zero is practically guaranteed to get in right (I think he won
a spot on the nomination rally)? So the new plan here should be to get
Akuma into the contest, then hope CJayC puts the two new fighting game
characters against each other!! Huzzah. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| Heroic Dr Wily | Posted 5/27/2006 11:21:58 PM | message detail |
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And Akuma probably is at least Morrigan's strenght, like how Morrigan
is basicly a clone of Akuma who has less moves but more defense and
Akuma is Morrigan who trades TJF for Street Fighter. --- Even my explosion is beautiful!~Launch Octopus http://www.crunkgames.com/profiles/psx/sarockman/media/sarockman033.jpg |
| Guess how many teens | Posted 5/28/2006 1:45:57 AM | message detail |
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Conclusion of all this: we need a bracket --- There are 2 rules to being a success in life: 1. Never give out all the information. |
| transience | Posted 5/28/2006 2:28:52 AM | message detail |
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I'd put Akuma around Ken's level, maybe a notch higher. I
think Sub would beat him... but by not much, if at all. Akuma's one of
those characters that gets debated every few months.. I'd like to see
him in a contest to get the speculation over with. as for Sub being the Ryu to Scorpion's Ken... no way. he might be a percent or two stronger than Scorpion, but that's still not close to Ryu. --- xyzzy |
| Gooper Blooper | Posted 5/28/2006 3:33:00 AM | message detail |
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Anyway... I just had an idea that sent a chill up my spine... what if Sub-Zero were to Scorpion as Ryu is to Ken...........? o_O Sub-Zero 51% Yoshi 49% I have no idea if that's close to the result that would occur if Subby was indeed that much better than Scorpion. I just threw it out there. --- People are going to buy two machines. They're going to buy an Xbox and they're going to buy a Wii... for the price of one PS3. - Peter Moore |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/28/2006 3:52:32 AM | message detail |
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Using Ryu's 2005 value and Ken's 2003 value (this was the last time he
was in the contest), there is an 8.27% difference between the two of
them. Depending on the value you use for Scorpion (2003 or 2004), you
get two different areas when Sub-Zero would be if he were the same
distance away from Scorpion as Ryu is from Ken. If you use Scorpion's
2003 value, Sub-Zero would be at 33.01% on BL. If you use Scorpion's
2004 value, Sub-Zero would be at 28.92% on BL. Using the 28.92% percentage, Sub-Zero would rank slightly below Yoshi and above characters like Leon, Vivi, Rikku, Yuna, Frog, Diablo, etc. Using the 33.01% percentage, Sub-Zero would rank right under Tifa and above characters like Dante, Knuckles, Ryu, Zero, Magus, and Auron. Yeah. Of course, it just hit me that it may have been different if you used the distance that Ryu and Ken were apart in 2003 as opposed to Ken's 2003 value and Ryu's 2005 value, but I don't feel like going back to figure that out again. Needless to say, it's far too unbelievable in either case for me to believe that Sub-Zero is the Ryu to Scorpion's Ken. I have trouble believing Sub-Zero would be even slightly stronger than Scorpion, much less far ahead of him. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| voltch | Posted 5/28/2006 4:30:34 AM | message detail |
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fighting game characters are an unpredictable entity right? --- Kilroy:Their fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft. BrentfordFC-championship here we come |
| Gooper Blooper | Posted 5/28/2006 4:34:04 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, I doubt Sub-Zero would be that strong, too. Would be fun to see, though. Fighting game characters do seem a bit unpredictable, except for Sonic beating one up in round one every year. --- People are going to buy two machines. They're going to buy an Xbox and they're going to buy a Wii... for the price of one PS3. - Peter Moore |
| therealmnm | Posted 5/28/2006 4:40:56 AM | message detail |
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.. Uh, what has Mortal Kombat done to not drop these past few years?
It has done nothing noteworthy at all -- not that I would consider
Mortal Kombat doing anything noteworthy ever, but that's a hate rant
for another time -- recently. If anything, I would expect Scorpion to
be weaker if he ever got back into the contest -- not that he had any
real strength in his latest entry into the contest. Mortal Kombat hasn't exactly fallen off of the map at all. I definitely don't agree with how everyone is saying that Mortal Kombat is getting less popular and Scorpion would be weaker than he was in 2k3. Scorpion was pretty constant between 2k2 and 2k3, and don't forget that he looks weaker in 2k4 due to being behind Auron, who was never adjusted for SFF. As for Mortal Kombat not doing anything, I'd have to disagree as well. If anything, Mortal Kombat has gotten a resurgence since then. In 2k2, Mortal Kombat was basically running on fumes with it's last significant release being MK Gold on the Dreamcast. After that, we got Deadly Alliance, but that was one of the most poorly received main games in the series. Since then, we've gotten MK:Deception, which was very well received, and we also got Shaolin Monks, which kicked all sorts of ass. MK may not be as popular as it's 16-bit days, but that's because the fighting genre isn't as popular as it was back then when compared to other genres. Mortal Kombat is doing enough to sustain popularity. One thing people fail to mention about Sub-Zero being stronger than Scorpion is that Sub-Zero has his own game in the series. It was released in MK's glory days and spread across two major consoles in the N64 and the PS1. It was actually fairly popular as it was the game that bridged the series to Mortal Kombat 4 with the emphasis on characters like Quan Chi and Shinnok. Plus, there's the fact that Sub-Zero's freezing powers have always been a fan favorite and they easily separate him from Scorpion. There's far enough of a difference between those two to warrant them having different popularity levels. I maintain that Ryu and Ken are more similar than Sub-Zero/Scorp. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/28/2006 6:05:11 AM | message detail |
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Mortal Kombat hasn't exactly fallen off of the map at all. I
definitely don't agree with how everyone is saying that Mortal Kombat
is getting less popular and Scorpion would be weaker than he was in
2k3. Scorpion was pretty constant between 2k2 and 2k3, and don't forget
that he looks weaker in 2k4 due to being behind Auron, who was never
adjusted for SFF. Just glancing at it, Auron looked like he went up about 2% between 2003 and 2004. If that were the case, Scorpion still dropped by 2% between 2003 and 2004. We have gone an entire year without any new data on him and he hasn't exactly had anything notable to sustain his strength as time passes. I would be shocked if Scorpion wasn't weaker than his 2003 value. As for Mortal Kombat not doing anything, I'd have to disagree as well. If anything, Mortal Kombat has gotten a resurgence since then. ... What? A resurgence? Simply getting a new Mortal Kombat game is not what I call a "resurgence" -- that's exactly what has happened. There has not been an exceptional Mortal Kombat release in a long time (I, personally, have yet to see even a decent Mortal Kombat release, but this is about the critics). The release of Deception did not make any heads spin in its quality. It was rated very similarly to Deadly Alliance, which you called horrible. Shaolin Monks is that beat 'em up type game, isn't it? ... Yeah. There has been nothing particularly impressive about Mortal Kombat recently. They have released more entries into the series and they may be better than what they offered during the beginning of this generation, but it is nothing that strikes me as reason to maintain its popularity over the years. I last time I even heard anything about the franchise was when Deception released a couple of years ago. It is certainly nothing that could be called a resurgence for Mortal Kombat. The games you're citing have not been anywhere near that well received nor that good. One thing people fail to mention about Sub-Zero being stronger than Scorpion is that Sub-Zero has his own game in the series. It was released in MK's glory days and spread across two major consoles in the N64 and the PS1. Oh good grief, are you talking about Mortal Kombat Mythologies? That game was horrible. The only way I would even give a second thought to that doing well is if I were to think Shadow the Hedgehog is going to be benefical to Shadow -- and I don't. The game was not popular nor is it something that should be pointed as being a reason for Sub-Zero being over Scorpion. I would wager he gets very little to nothing from that game. It's like Ness and EarthBound without the fanatics. I maintain that Ryu and Ken are more similar than Sub-Zero/Scorp. Ryu and Ken were very similar in the beginning, but they are very different now. They have two separate playing styles and two completely different personalities -- something that actually can be conveyed through fighting games now as opposed to back during Street Fighter II. Sub-Zero and Scorpion are practically the same visually, except one wears blue and the other yellow. Their play styles are different, yeah, but that's mostly thanks to Sub-Zero's freezing attacks. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| TheRye | Posted 5/28/2006 7:39:52 AM | message detail |
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Tag --- In 2006, nominate Captain Falcon “TheRye is like Jesus, if Jesus ever played video games.” -Inviso |
| Applause Sign | Posted 5/28/2006 8:07:51 AM | message detail |
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Note to me: Read the last 3 posts because I can't handle reading anymore lol akuma debates. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Applause Sign | Posted 5/28/2006 8:12:06 AM | message detail |
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Also.... Street Fighter II lost?!?! --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Slowflake | Posted 5/28/2006 8:12:15 AM | message detail |
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Just for the hell of it, I made a series bracket since CJayC doesn't
seem to want to do his. And honestly, it was difficult to keep to only
32 series, as well as to seed them. There's enough quality in terms of
series compared to villains for example, that even 8-seeds won't be
total fodder. / (1) Final Fantasy \ (8) Tetris / (4) Grand Theft Auto \ (5) Street Fighter / (3) Megaman X \ (6) Donkey Kong / (2) Metroid \ (7) Elder Scrolls / (1) Metal Gear \ (8) Pokémon / (4) Kingdom Hearts \ (5) Castlevania / (3) Megaman \ (6) Mortal Kombat / (2) Super Smash Bros. \ (7) Warcraft / (1) Legend of Zelda \ (8) Pac-Man / (4) Resident Evil \ (5) Soul Calibur / (3) Mario Kart \ (6) Star Fox / (2) Sonic the Hedgehog \ (7) Tales / (1) Super Mario Bros. \ (8) Tomb Raider / (4) Final Fantasy Tactics \ (5) Devil May Cry / (3) Halo \ (6) Diablo / (2) Chrono \ (7) Half-Life --- Also, eat from garbage cans as much as possible, because nobody in America ever throws away anything that can make you fat. -MYC health tip |
| jonthomson | Posted 5/28/2006 8:21:22 AM | message detail |
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/ (1) Final Fantasy / (4) Grand Theft Auto \ (6) Donkey Kong / (2) Metroid FF > Metroid. I think GTA is a bit wasted in this section, swap GTA and Mega Man and you've got some interesting matchups. / (1) Metal Gear / (4) Kingdom Hearts / (3) Megaman / (2) Super Smash Bros. Metal Gear > SSB. Pretty much picks itself this one, KH will not do as well as some think but Castlevania is no real challenge, SSB vs Mega Man might be interesting but I think SSB will take it. / (1) Legend of Zelda / (4) Resident Evil / (3) Mario Kart / (2) Sonic the Hedgehog Zelda > Sonic. RE vs. SC isn't a bad 4/5 matchup at all. / (1) Super Mario Bros. / (4) Final Fantasy Tactics \ (6) Diablo / (2) Chrono SMB > Diablo. The bottom half of this is probably the best 4-pack in the whole bracket. I really don't know how this will go - you've got four series that only really have two games and I think they'll all be fairly close. You could make a case for any of them winning it. Apart from Half-Life, obviously. --- Jon Thomson - CATS, Jay Solano, Ridley, Scorpion, Alien Hominid, Duke Nukem, The Prince, Johnny Rocketfingers, two TBA |
| Buzzup | Posted 5/28/2006 8:29:08 AM | message detail |
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Round 1: / (1) Final Fantasy / (4) Grand Theft Auto / (3) Megaman X / (2) Metroid / (1) Metal Gear / (4) Kingdom Hearts / (3) Megaman / (2) Super Smash Bros. / (1) Legend of Zelda \ (5) Soul Calibur / (3) Mario Kart / (2) Sonic the Hedgehog / (1) Super Mario Bros. / (4) Final Fantasy Tactics \ (6) Diablo / (2) Chrono Hard matches include RE-SC, FFT-DMC and Halo-Diablo(the last one could surprise <_<) Round 2: / (1) Final Fantasy / (2)Metroid / (1) Metal Gear / (3) Megaman / (1) Legend of Zelda / (2) Sonic the Hedgehog / (1) Super Mario Bros. / (2) Chrono MMX-Metroid is pretty hard, but I believe Metroid would take it. Megaman-Smash Bros is the most difficult match in this bracket for me, I'll place my bets on megaman ^^" Round 3: / (1) Final Fantasy / (3) Megaman / (1) Legend of Zelda / (1) Super Mario Bros. Metal Gear-Megaman is tough, but I'll go for Megaman once again. Round 4: / (1) Final Fantasy / (1) Legend of Zelda Final: / (1) Final Fantasy Unsurprisingly :) |
| Slowflake | Posted 5/28/2006 8:35:56 AM | message detail |
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Funny how one thinks the second division is piss easy and the other
says it's really tough. I'm thinking the latter... I wouldn't be
comfortable with anything to win the division. --- Also, eat from garbage cans as much as possible, because nobody in America ever throws away anything that can make you fat. -MYC health tip |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 5/28/2006 8:39:34 AM | message detail |
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WE WANT THE DAMN BRACKET~! --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| dethwing | Posted 5/28/2006 8:44:29 AM | message detail |
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I think I'd take SSB over Metal Gear. Especialy with all the hype over the 3rd in the series. --- "Kefka and pictures go together like gordon freeman and winning." |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 5/28/2006 8:49:54 AM | message detail |
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/ (1) Final Fantasy / (4) Grand Theft Auto / (3) Megaman X / (2) Metroid / (1) Metal Gear / (4) Kingdom Hearts / (3) Megaman / (2) Super Smash Bros. / (1) Legend of Zelda / (4) Resident Evil / (3) Mario Kart / (2) Sonic the Hedgehog / (1) Super Mario Bros. / (4) Final Fantasy Tactics / (3) Halo / (2) Chrono Final Fantasy > The Legend of Zelda My biggest criticism is that the GTA series is thrown to the wolves; it could be a potential bracket buster as a 3 or 6 seed. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Slowflake | Posted 5/28/2006 8:59:43 AM | message detail |
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From dethwing | Posted 5/28/2006 11:44:29 AM | #080 I think I'd take SSB over Metal Gear. Especialy with all the hype over the 3rd in the series. I dunno, there's this little thing called MGS4... --- Also, eat from garbage cans as much as possible, because nobody in America ever throws away anything that can make you fat. -MYC health tip |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 5/28/2006 9:14:05 AM | message detail |
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I'd still take SSB over MG and not be worried. --- "People who play RPGs are depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games" - Hiroshi Yamauchi |
| Super Luigi | Posted 5/28/2006 9:14:59 AM | message detail |
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MGS would beat SSB. --- Currently waiting for : New SMB(DS),New Kirby(DS),Super Mario Galaxy(Wii),Metroid Prime 3(Wii). |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 5/28/2006 9:17:11 AM | message detail |
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I'd take Smash. It's simply been much more impressive in contest settings. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Super Luigi | Posted 5/28/2006 9:17:17 AM | message detail |
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Um, Does hype ever matter? I dont think it does. --- I'm still waiting for the bracket CjayC |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/28/2006 9:21:31 AM | message detail |
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/ (1) Final Fantasy \ (5) Street Fighter / (3) Megaman X / (2) Metroid / (1) Metal Gear / (4) Kingdom Hearts / (3) Megaman / (2) Super Smash Bros. / (1) Legend of Zelda \ (5) Soul Calibur / (3) Mario Kart / (2) Sonic the Hedgehog / (1) Super Mario Bros. / (4) Final Fantasy Tactics / (3) Halo / (2) Chrono (1) Final Fantasy (1) Metal Gear (1) The Legend of Zelda (1) Super Mario Bros. That seemed pretty easy overall. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/28/2006 9:22:39 AM | message detail |
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I think I'd take SSB over Metal Gear. Especialy with all the hype over the 3rd in the series. Metal Gear would beat Smash Bros. with no problem. As far as hype goes, Metal Gear Solid 4 is also there to counteract anything from Brawl. So there's not really much use in bringing it up ... --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 5/28/2006 9:29:43 AM | message detail |
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I don't see how it's so obvious. The Games Contest showed us that SSBM
can beat anything Metal Gear without a bit of trouble, and the
character contests have shown us that three Super Smash characters can
easily dispatch Snake (and two more can come very close). That last bit
of evidence may not prove too important based on the nature of this
contest, but it doesn't help MGS. In four years of contests, it has
never proven that it could hang with what will easily be Nintendo's
third strongest series. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| TheRye | Posted 5/28/2006 9:43:22 AM | message detail |
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This appears to be the closest thing we're going to get to a bracket for this contest... / (1) Final Fantasy / (4) Grand Theft Auto / (3) Megaman X / (2) Metroid / (1) Metal Gear / (4) Kingdom Hearts / (3) Megaman / (2) Super Smash Bros. / (1) Legend of Zelda / (4) Resident Evil / (3) Mario Kart / (2) Sonic the Hedgehog / (1) Super Mario Bros. / (4) Final Fantasy Tactics / (3) Halo / (2) Chrono ---------- / (1) Final Fantasy / (2) Metroid / (1) Metal Gear / (2) Super Smash Bros. / (1) Legend of Zelda / (3) Mario Kart / (1) Super Mario Bros. / (2) Chrono ---------- / (1) Final Fantasy / (2) Super Smash Bros. / (1) Legend of Zelda / (1) Super Mario Bros. ---------- / (1) Final Fantasy / (1) Legend of Zelda ---------- / (1) Final Fantasy Fairly straight-forward --- In 2006, nominate Captain Falcon “TheRye is like Jesus, if Jesus ever played video games.” -Inviso |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/28/2006 9:46:09 AM | message detail |
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Super Smash Bros. Melee beat Metal Gear Solid 2 with 56% of the vote,
which is not close but not terribly far apart either. On top of that,
we have not had the opportunity to see Metal Gear Solid 3 perform in a
contest setting -- and it has been more well received than Metal Gear
Solid 2, which stands as the strongest Metal Gear Solid game right now.
It is just pointless to even begin to bring up the character contest and try to claim Mario, Link, and Samus as "Smash Bros." characters because they all come from well established, popular franchises where they get the vast majority of their strength from. They appear in Smash Bros., but that does not say anything about it contributing to their strength. Anyone saying it does is just vastly overestimating the influence of SSB here. Metal Gear has a lot of different games to pull from -- Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2, and Metal Gear Solid 3, most prominently. They likely do not have much contribution the strength, but there are a number of other games that fall under "Metal Gear" as well. Super Smash Bros. Melee may beat any single Metal Gear Solid game, but this is a series contest for a reason. Metal Gear pulls from every single game as a contributor to the series, not just one. The Metal Gear franchise would be much stronger, I would suspect, than any single Metal Gear Solid game. We haven't seen Metal Gear Solid 3 either, which I believe would be the strongest of the three. If one wants to bring hype into the situation, though I know you didn't, then it is Metal Gear Solid 4 and Super Smash Bros. Brawl, which practically cancel each other out, if not favor Metal Gear Solid 4. One of the big reasons why Brawl got as much attention as it did when it was shown was because of Solid Snake -- huzzah! -- appearing in the game. I really cannot see the match being all that close at all. Smash Bros. isn't going to be weak, but I don't expect it to be one of the top franchises either. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| swirIdude | Posted 5/28/2006 9:50:43 AM | message detail |
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/ (1) Final Fantasy \ (4) Grand Theft Auto / (3) Megaman X / (2) Metroid / (1) Metal Gear / (4) Kingdom Hearts / (3) Megaman / (2) Super Smash Bros. / (1) Legend of Zelda / (4) Resident Evil / (3) Mario Kart / (2) Sonic the Hedgehog / (1) Super Mario Bros. / (4) Final Fantasy Tactics / (3) Halo / (2) Chrono ---------- / (1) Final Fantasy / (2) Metroid / (1) Metal Gear / (2) Super Smash Bros. / (1) Legend of Zelda / (3) Mario Kart / (1) Super Mario Bros. / (2) Chrono ---------- / (1) Final Fantasy / (1) Metal Gear / (1) Legend of Zelda / (1) Super Mario Bros. ---------- / (1) Final Fantasy / (1) Legend of Zelda ---------- / (1) Final Fantasy --- Xbox 360 melts disks! And people made jokes about the PS3 being a grill. ~bokunokuso |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/28/2006 9:53:36 AM | message detail |
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With HM's HHUUGGEE argument and knowing how he feels about the SF/MK
debate, I'm only going to select certain points to argue. Forgive me. The poll you provided has many instances where it is simply incorrect. Auron decimated his poll, but he barely ranks ahead of Tidus in the most recent stats. For a good while, I do believe Tidus was the one ahead. Yoshi dominated his poll against the likes of Mario, Bowser, and Luigi. He's only stronger than one of those characters. 2k3: Cloud/Auron 2k4: Auron/Seph 2k5: Mario/Samus (and Samus/Ganon, if you like), Solid/Bowser if you believe in the pic-factor, Kirby/Bowser if you believe in rSFF No wonder it looks like he is barely stronger than Tidus -- think outside of the raw stats, and you'll see that Auron smokes Tidus's **** both in that poll and in the contest. I'll agree with you about thinkin' Tidus was the one ahead for awhile -- I had Tidus winning the division last time afterall -- but we can thank his four-pack in 2k3 for that screw-up. As for the Mario-poll, there are so many different games and genres that the series cross that it's hardly even fair to group them together without noting what games you mean. In just Mario-platform games, Mario's going to easily take the cake with Yoshi doing somewhat-decent...but when you consider his fan-favorite status of the Mario Karts's, Mario Party's, and other spin-offs...then how he's got more games than the other choices save for Mario and Wario, and it's not SO unreasonable anymore. I would think it's a pretty common phenomenon that people would rather play as Yoshi in the Mario spin-offs than Mario, and that poll would be a good sign of it if that's the case. If anything, I would expect Scorpion to be weaker if he ever got back into the contest -- not that he had any real strength in his latest entry into the contest. 1) Why even consider the 2k4 value he has? It was never adjusted for strength by cn, and because of that people think Ness is barely not fodder and that Scorpion had a big drop between 2k3 and 2k4. Auron/Seph, guys. 2) My point was that MK has done more to keep popular since 2k3 than SF. I know you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but the only thing I've heard about from SF since then was the Anniversary Collection...and we saw the wonders that did for Mega Man. Akuma is more popular than those characters now. You'd be really out of touch to say he isn't, especially among the casual fans. The sooner you stop focusing on Street Fighter II, the better. The casual fans is such a big point in this debate, as is him being post-SF2. How many casual fighting fans still come to GameFAQs? How many of them are SF fans? How many of them are post-SF2 fans? How many of them like Akuma? As a casual-fighting fan, the only time I've ever played as Akuma was in the arcade (and it was whichever MvC game it was where you had to press up at the certain character's box to reveal him as an option)...I obviously don't speak for everybody, but I think the casual fans here are going for SSB (ignore this one if you like), Soul Calibur, and Mortal Kombat before they're here for Street Fighter. That's more for the hardcore and technical fighting fans, like yourself, Tensenpekknu Sakuri. =P Now you're going to assume that Scorpion maintains his strength from three years ago. Yeah, right. It's more likely than SF retaining its strength since 2k3, and for the most part it looks like it has. Why not MK? So the new plan here should be to get Akuma into the contest, then hope CJayC puts the two new fighting game characters against each other!! I'd join the rally if you or Leonhart make it; you two are passionate enough about it and I know it won't die if one of you two run it. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/28/2006 9:54:03 AM | message detail |
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Just glancing at it, Auron looked like he went up about 2% between
2003 and 2004. If that were the case, Scorpion still dropped by 2%
between 2003 and 2004. I would think Cloud would SFF Auron more than Sephiroth, yes. It's like Ness and EarthBound without the fanatics. You can't just leave out the fanatics like that. Leave out the fanatics of FF7, for example, and you lose 24% of the site.I know EB is no FF7 in terms of popularity here, but the game has fanatics for a reason...a reason I've not seen myself when I played it, but still a reason. Sub-Zero and Scorpion are practically the same visually, except one wears blue and the other yellow. Their play styles are different, yeah, but that's mostly thanks to Sub-Zero's freezing attacks. If you're expecting people not to distinguish the difference between them because they wear different colors and have different movesets, that's just bad logic. Blue =/= yellow, and Sub-Zero became popular because of his freezing attacks -- more popular than Scorpion's harpoon got him, even. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Guess how many teens | Posted 5/28/2006 10:10:50 AM | message detail |
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/ (1) Final Fantasy / (4) Grand Theft Auto / (3) Megaman X / (2) Metroid / (1) Metal Gear / (4) Kingdom Hearts / (3) Megaman / (2) Super Smash Bros. / (1) Legend of Zelda / (4) Resident Evil / (3) Mario Kart / (2) Sonic the Hedgehog / (1) Super Mario Bros. / (4) Final Fantasy Tactics / (3) Halo / (2) Chrono / (1) Final Fantasy / (2) Metroid / (1) Metal Gear / (3) Megaman / (1) Legend of Zelda / (2) Sonic the Hedgehog / (1) Super Mario Bros. / (2) Chrono / (1) Final Fantasy / (1) Metal Gear / (1) Legend of Zelda / (1) Super Mario Bros. FF>LoZ Very nice bracket, I'd love to see Megaman vs Metal Gear and Super Mario Bros. vs Chrono --- There are 2 rules to being a success in life: 1. Never give out all the information. |
| Slowflake | Posted 5/28/2006 10:14:57 AM | message detail |
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Metal Gear Solid 2, which stands as the strongest Metal Gear Solid game right now. A-hem. Did you already forget how hardcore MGS rocked MGS2's pants off last fall? If anything, FF7 SFFed MGS, or something to that effect. Had SSBM faced MGS, we would've had a much better match, I say. And honestly, I wouldn't feel entirely comfortable picking Metroid over MMX. I dunno, Metroid games being pretty weak overall don't inspire me very much. --- Also, eat from garbage cans as much as possible, because nobody in America ever throws away anything that can make you fat. -MYC health tip |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/28/2006 10:27:22 AM | message detail |
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No wonder it looks like he is barely stronger than Tidus -- think
outside of the raw stats, and you'll see that Auron smokes Tidus's ****
both in that poll and in the contest. There were not any noticeable problems with the latest stats though. The only potential one being that the picture factor might have affected things by a percent or so -- Bowser's picture was not fantastic either, mind you. No matter how you slice it in the current stats, Auron is not that far ahead of Tidus, despite Tidus not even coming in second in the FFX poll (I don't believe he came in second, at least) and he's quite easily ahead of the others. Those polls are nice to look at, but they are by no means concrete nor are they going to give you the actual facts. There needs to be solid and significant reasoning outside of that poll -- and I have not seen solid and significant reasoning for Sub-Zero being that much stronger than Scorpion. I would think it's a pretty common phenomenon that people would rather play as Yoshi in the Mario spin-offs than Mario, and that poll would be a good sign of it if that's the case. I'm simply saying that it does not translate into strength in the contest. Yoshi is nowhere near the strength of Mario despite the poll having him as a pretty overwhelming favorite. Hell, Yoshi still won that most recent favorite Mario character poll. Those things are really not the least bit reliable in determining character strength in a contest. I can see a perfectly reasonable case for why Sub-Zero would be right around Scorpion or slightly stronger, but anything more than that does not have any major reasoning behind it other than that poll. I hope we can all face the reality that Mythologies is not going to be a factor in such a match. 1) Why even consider the 2k4 value he has? It was never adjusted for strength by cn, and because of that people think Ness is barely not fodder and that Scorpion had a big drop between 2k3 and 2k4. Auron/Seph, guys. I do not take his 2004 number as absolute, but it is his most recent performance. Judging from Auron's strength in 2005, and just off my last glance, Scorpion dropped by like 2%. That's not absolute nor is it certain, but Auron either dropped down in 2005 or Scorpion dropped. I'm not sure how it could come out to being even. 2) My point was that MK has done more to keep popular since 2k3 than SF. I know you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but the only thing I've heard about from SF since then was the Anniversary Collection...and we saw the wonders that did for Mega Man. Street Fighter Anniversary Collection came out in 2004, Street Fighter Alpha 3 MAX came out in 2006 on the PSP, Street Fighter Alpha Anthology comes out in June on the PS2, and the biggest of releases is Street Fighter II : Hyper Fighting coming out pretty soon on Xbox Live Arcade. That is going to be very big -- bigger than any Mortal Kombat release, I would wager. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/28/2006 10:27:46 AM | message detail |
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I obviously don't speak for everybody, but I think the casual fans
here are going for SSB (ignore this one if you like), Soul Calibur, and
Mortal Kombat before they're here for Street Fighter. That's more for
the hardcore and technical fighting fans, like yourself, Tensenpekknu
Sakuri. Hmm. This is probably a really good point that you made here. I do not believe they are coming here for Mortal Kombat, but most casual fighting game fans are likely all about Soul Calibur and Super Smash Bros. these days. That said, Street Fighter still has a pretty solid presence on this site still. I would point to Ryu, but his iconic status stretches beyond just Street Fighter -- he is the face of fighting games. Still, Akuma's casual appeal and overall popularity are not dampered because of this. I don't want to sound like this is telling, but I have a friend who falls along the lines of a more casual fighting game fan and he eats up Akuma. Now, he prefers Soul Calibur (I try to set him straight and get him to Street Fighter, but it never works), but he takes a major liking to Akuma when we do bust out any of the games featuring him (CvS2 for the most part). Just a little bit of anecdotal evidence there. This is an argument that does not seem like it's going to make much progress. There is just a lot of unanswered questions when it comes to fighting game characters here. What we really need is Akuma and Sub-Zero in the same contest! Hehe. It's more likely than SF retaining its strength since 2k3, and for the most part it looks like it has. Why not MK? Mortal Kombat's strongest representative, as of now, is not all that strong himself. It is pretty rough when you're only representative, and currently strongest, is that weak. I really do not see why Scorpion would maintain that strength for so long. I would not expect a complete dropoff, but dropping at this point would seem more likely to me than staying constant. You can't just leave out the fanatics like that. I was just referring to how Mythologies is like EarthBound to Ness ... except Mythologies has no fanatic backing like EarthBound. It basically isn't a factor at this point. If you're expecting people not to distinguish the difference between them because they wear different colors and have different movesets, that's just bad logic. Blue =/= yellow, and Sub-Zero became popular because of his freezing attacks -- more popular than Scorpion's harpoon got him, even. I expect people to know the difference between them, but I really doubt there is going to be people that actually care for Sub-Zero more than Scorpion against any other character. Perhaps when they're up against each other directly, but I see indirect strength being practically equal. Sub-Zero is different, sure, but I have trouble believing that people who like Sub-Zero are going to vote for so much more than Scorpion in any given match. And while I do not torture myself by throwing myself into the middle of the Mortal Kombat fanbase, "Get over here!" beats the hell out of Sub-Zero's little balls of ice!! --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/28/2006 10:31:34 AM | message detail |
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A-hem. Did you already forget how hardcore MGS rocked MGS2's pants
off last fall? If anything, FF7 SFFed MGS, or something to that effect.
Had SSBM faced MGS, we would've had a much better match, I say. I was going to say something about FFVII and MGS SFF, but I refrained because I did not want to bring up one of those ugly debates again. Believe me, between those two, I do believe that MGS is quite a bit stronger than MGS2. ... Hmm. I went to look at the Top 100 poll and I had completely forgotten how high Metal Gear Solid ranked. Good grief -- that's awesome. Yeah, that certainly helps matters. Metal Gear Solid 3 did a really good job of ranking highly, too. Both did ranked higher than MGS2. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Some bloodlines must come to an end. |
| Gooper Blooper | Posted 5/28/2006 10:34:31 AM | message detail |
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Just because I enjoy splitting hairs, I'll point out that Sub-Zero and
Scorpion are no longer color swaps. The two really look different in
MKD. The only real similarity that's immediately apparent is that both
look like ninjas with that face-covering mask thingy. --- People are going to buy two machines. They're going to buy an Xbox and they're going to buy a Wii... for the price of one PS3. - Peter Moore |