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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 284

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HaRRicH | Posted 5/22/2006 2:47:58 AM | message detail
To be fair, Cloud also has Kingdom Hearts on his side. That's big.
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jonthomson | Posted 5/22/2006 2:58:24 AM | message detail
Then Link has SSBM on his side, does he not?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/22/2006 4:22:00 AM | message detail
This lack of a bracket is starting to get rather silly. I'm hoping Ceej didn't forget completely.

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Slowflake | Posted 5/22/2006 4:50:57 AM | message detail
We're almost reaching the point where Ceej may say "**** this, let's go straight to the character battle". I mean, if the bracket isn't released soon, the end of the contest season will be ridiculously late.

Surprised Oblivion is holding up so well... then again, those are the night hours we're talking about.
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_SmurfX_ | Posted 5/22/2006 4:52:53 AM | message detail
I'd perfer if he scrapped it and went straight to the character battle.

It'd make much more sense to keep the character battle to summer and then maybe port the series contest to Autumn or Winter.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/22/2006 4:54:20 AM | message detail
We can still make it on time if this contest only gets 16 entrants >_>
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greatone10 | Posted 5/22/2006 4:56:08 AM | message detail
At this rate, the Summer contest will be the Series contest, and the Character Battle will be either a Fall or Winter contest.
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Who Cares? | Posted 5/22/2006 5:48:29 AM | message detail
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Who Cares? | Posted 5/22/2006 5:49:30 AM | message detail
Okay, seriously, is there anyway to contact Ceej and get a near-immediate response? This is getting ridiculous...offseason sucks, I want a bracket!
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Slowflake | Posted 5/22/2006 5:49:39 AM | message detail
Dunno... but if no one really contacted him, then it's going to be like the PD/SotN fiasco all over again. That one was ridiculous.
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jonthomson | Posted 5/22/2006 7:06:03 AM | message detail
PD/SotN? What happened there? I recall the Xenogears/Pokemon situation, but not that one...
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Slowflake | Posted 5/22/2006 7:29:50 AM | message detail
The poll stopped updating in the morning, and it didn't start again until the evening. CJayC said that no one even contacted him to warn him of the situation, and as it turned out, we missed out on a lot of board hype, since the vote margin went from something like 4000 to 3500 in the time the poll wasn't updating.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/22/2006 7:54:18 AM | message detail
Then Link has SSBM on his side, does he not?

Yep...and it'd be interesting to know which helped more, SSB/M for Link or KH for Cloud (who would now have KH2). I've already mentioned how SSB/M is going to be the reason why Samus will be stronger than her series...so, hey, let's kick back and watch.
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Guess how many teens | Posted 5/22/2006 8:23:42 AM | message detail
Someone should contact CjayC
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jonthomson | Posted 5/22/2006 8:34:31 AM | message detail
Perhaps, I was kind of expecting to see the bracket at some point today, giving us a week or so to pick before kicking off at the start of June.
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meche313 | Posted 5/22/2006 9:35:35 AM | message detail
He already said that the contest should start on June, so maybe the bracket is released today, or tomorrow. I think it is not too late. I was hoping for a bracket today though.
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NewLib | Posted 5/22/2006 10:14:40 AM | message detail
The only thing is poll shows me is that Elder Scrolls might have a little strength behind it.
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dethwing | Posted 5/22/2006 10:22:27 AM | message detail
At this point, it seems that it will probably come out on the 24, giving us a week for brackets.

Maybe by minimizing time for bracket making, he hopes to make it more difficult? Don't know, but it's one possibility.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/22/2006 10:49:18 AM | message detail
How is KH2 doing so poorly in the poll? I mean, its sales are far better than the sales of the rest, it's been out for quite a while, and the GameFAQs userbase is biased in favor of its genre/developer. I would've expected it to win with at least 50%...but this is pathetic.
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Slowflake | Posted 5/22/2006 10:55:40 AM | message detail
Either that, or ES is a force to be reckoned with that somehow never got in a contest.
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voltch | Posted 5/22/2006 11:24:02 AM | message detail
Did any of the elder scrolls game have any impact in previous polls?
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Who Cares? | Posted 5/22/2006 11:26:42 AM | message detail
Well, when you remove the 'havent played any of them' option, KH2 has roughly 34% which ain't too bad in a five game poll.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/22/2006 11:34:55 AM | message detail
Well, the whole point of KHII was that it was going to draw new Square fans to the site. I'm not seeing it.
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Slowflake | Posted 5/22/2006 11:36:42 AM | message detail
From Who Cares? | Posted 5/22/2006 2:26:42 PM | #272
Well, when you remove the 'havent played any of them' option, KH2 has roughly 34% which ain't too bad in a five game poll.

Here's the kicker, though... the opposition is four games that it should obliterate - and it's barely doubling a game that came out LAST WEEK.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 5/22/2006 11:40:12 AM | message detail
...a KH game can beat a mainstream Mario game?
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Lopen | Posted 5/22/2006 11:42:20 AM | message detail
I wish this poll had DMC3: Special Edition... so I could gauge a Dante strength boost...

... what?
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swirIdude | Posted 5/22/2006 11:56:40 AM | message detail
...a KH game can beat a mainstream Mario game?

It's GameFAQs, and the Mario game is too new to reach its full strength.
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Applause Sign | Posted 5/22/2006 11:59:00 AM | message detail
I sent Ceejus a feedback ticket, though I doubt it'll do much.

And I hate it when people use the "top 100" list as a means for arguing, you may as well say seed indicates what's going to happen if you do that.

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Quaarma Hunter | Posted 5/22/2006 12:03:51 PM | message detail
I still hold that KH2 (and the KH series as a whole) is not particularly popular at all on its own, at least relative to most of the other big Square/Nintendo properties. Say what you will, but fact that KH almost lost to Soul Calibur, a Dreamcast fighting game is very telling. Voters aren't stupid, and I'm willing to bet that the majority of them know that Soul Calibur is not Soul Calibur II (which was a big argument for it, since it was multi-platform and had Link in the GC version), and voted that way.

People will point to SC's decent seeding and placement and the top 100 list to give legitimacy to that high X-Stat ranking, and as a rabid Soul Calibur fan I consider that to be basically rubbish. There is a core group of hardcore fans that love SC, and the fact many regard it as perhaps the best fighting game ever along with the fact that it is a Dreamcast game has inflated its status. This group is a half-step away from the other hardcore cult Dreamcast fans that have succeeded in getting SoA/Vyse and Shenmue/Ryo Hazuki into multiple contests, and their dismal outings are more foreboding than most want to admit. There is a reason why a GREAT deal of the posters here believe that the character with the greatest chance of bombing is Nightmare, especially since the SC series is one that doesn't have any particularly standout characters. And that, I would argue, is not only a hinderance to Nightmare, but to the game itself.

This is probably sounding more and more like an anti-SC rant than one focused on Kingdom Hearts, but the point is that I can't believe for a second that either of their X-Stat values are legitimate. Starcraft's run was certainly a miraculous affair, and almost just as dubious. Common sense should prevail here, and it should tell us that something that almost loses to Soul Calibur isn't that strong.

So KH2's showing here doesn't surprise me at all--not one bit. And it's probably even more popular than the original KH at this point. That it's barely beating an XBox 360/PC game (regardless of the quality, ouch...), and a DS game that *just* came out (even if it is NSMB), this should not be particularly surprising here.

Now, this doesn't mean that KH2 isn't bringing a large influx of Square fans to the site. GTA isn't particularly popular, and it brings TONS of folks to the site. KH2 is still the number one FAQ, and in the days following its release the original KH and KH: CoM weren't (and haven't been) doing too badly either. Regardless of whether or not they would hold KH2 in the highest of regards, it's still bringing many to the site--and I would be willing to wager they hold Cloud in much higher esteem.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/22/2006 12:05:26 PM | message detail
How is KH2 doing so poorly in the poll

I'll admit that I was expecting KHII to do better than it is today, but it is not doing "poorly." Oblivion has been right behind Kingdom Hearts II on those FAQs since it came out, Oblivion has sold really well on both the PC and Xbox 360 platforms, and it is a really popular game. This poll shouldn't really be a blowout in favor of KH2. Oblivion is right up the alley of GameFAQs, too.

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Applause Sign | Posted 5/22/2006 12:06:52 PM | message detail
Quaarma!

Man, I sure am glad you came back, you wouldn't believe that, that douche KH just started posting in here again too!

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MegatokyoEd | Posted 5/22/2006 12:15:01 PM | message detail
Oblivion right up the alley of GameFAQs? Japanese RPGs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Western RPGs on GameFaqs.
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/22/2006 12:18:01 PM | message detail
Yet Oblivion looks rather popular on GameFAQs. Hmm ...

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therealmnm | Posted 5/22/2006 12:35:40 PM | message detail
Miami to Orlando for an interview and back within 9 hours. Not bad....

Regarding the poll, I think it's more of Oblivion surprising people rather than Kingdom Hearts disappointing. It seems like everyone who has played Oblivion consider it Game of the Year material while Kingdom Hearts has tons of fans that like it but not enough to consider it game of the year. I think it's a hardcore Oblivion fanbase showing up in that poll.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 5/22/2006 12:42:09 PM | message detail
I think you're reading too much into the wording of the poll. If KH2 was your favorite game of the five, you're going to choose KH2.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 5/22/2006 1:39:33 PM | message detail
Well, the whole point of KHII was that it was going to draw new Square fans to the site. I'm not seeing it.

The original Kingdom Hearts was hardly overwhelming in terms of the Games Contest, and we saw what kind of impact it had on SC2K3. You can still like the game quite a bit without it being your favorite, and you can definitely like the characters involved.

Kingdom Hearts II is a popular game, but it's certainly not Square's darling as of yet. Remember that it barely beat out FFXII in a "Which Square game are you most anticipating?" poll. The Final Fantasy brand still carries the most weight around here, and it WILL help those involved.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/22/2006 1:53:30 PM | message detail
Yet Oblivion looks rather popular on GameFAQs. Hmm ...

Come on, it isn't doing nearly as well on the FAQ list as Ragnarok Online, and we all know how that turned out.

Also:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2335
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2303

That's more people owning KH2 than an X360. I know Oblivion came out on PC as well, but this is not at all a good sign for KH2. I've seen plenty of people say that the arrival as KH2 has signified the KH series coming into its own, or that KH2 is going to be far more influential than its predecessor.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1134

Getting 16% against competition like that is a lot more impressive than getting 25% against competition like this.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/22/2006 1:56:38 PM | message detail
Well, there was no "I haven't played any of those games" in that GotY poll. KHII would have a larger percentage of the vote if that weren't there, and it probably wouldn't have 16.5% if that poll if it were there.
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I have to admit, if there was no "I haven't played any of these games yet" option, I would have picked KHII just because it's what I'm anticipating the most.

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 5/22/2006 1:59:38 PM | message detail
It's GameFAQs, and the Mario game is too new to reach its full strength.

KHII is still relatively new too, and I don't think we'd ever see Sora come anywhere close to beating Mario.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/22/2006 2:01:01 PM | message detail
Personally, I only admittedly played the first world of NSMB, but I was rather underwhelmed by what little I played. Perhaps it gets better, perhaps I was expecting too much from it, or perhaps it's my utter hatred of Bowser Jr., but still.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/22/2006 2:06:09 PM | message detail
Well, there was no "I haven't played any of those games" in that GotY poll. KHII would have a larger percentage of the vote if that weren't there, and it probably wouldn't have 16.5% if that poll if it were there.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1133

It's not very likely that nobody played any of those games. KH's performance barely decreases despite the competition being doubled. No matter how you look at it, KH in 2002 > KH2 in 2006. And considering KH's slow initial sales, that just makes things look worse for KH2.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/22/2006 2:22:03 PM | message detail
*hadn't played any of those games by the end of 2002*

Either way, I think a little too much has been made out of this poll. Remember how many people said that they hadn't played Final Fantasy VII ever during the top 10 list? It was unexpectedly high, considering it's the most popular game on the site and the second place game had a much higher playing rate (only 12.39% said they'd NEVER played it, and another 15% said they had played it but not beaten it). It was nearly as high as those who said that it was indeed the best game ever after Sp2K4 (around 25%, plus another 20% who said they'd played it but never beaten it). Basically, you've got OoT having a little more combined "Never played" and "played but never beat" votes than FFVII had solely on "I've never played it at all" votes. It got 28% saying it is indeed the best game ever right after Sp2K4, and another 38.5% saying it's in the top 10.

Heck, I think you get a lot of "loyalty" votes in GotY polls because there ARE people who have not necessarily played those games. Final Fantasy X-2 got 31% in the final 2004 GotY poll against The Wind Waker and absolutely DOMINATED the PS2 GotY poll (only PoP: Sands of Time broke double digit percentage at 10.51%). Just chew on that one a little bit. A brand name does carry a lot of weight. The KH brand name doesn't carry that same kind of weight yet.

Heck, Final Fantasy X won the 2001 GotY poll despite being out for all of TWO WEEKS at the time of release and nobody else came close. The biggest brand name on the site will do that for ya.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 5/22/2006 2:25:50 PM | message detail
I'd have no problem if KHII itself was doing worse and the Never played option had alot more votes. But KHII being this CLOSE to Oblivion is scary.
Phediuk | Posted 5/22/2006 2:32:45 PM | message detail
Since discussion is kinda slow right now, let's talk about Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I am so stoked for this game.

Wario, Pit, and Meta-Knight were all obvious choices for new characters. No one was surprised by them.

Zero Suit Samus, on the other hand, is pretty cool. Do you think she'll be a totally separate character from Samus or that you'll switch between the two like with Zelda and Shiek?

Snake being in the game opens up a whole new range of possibilities for new characters. I would place about a 90% probability of Sonic being in the game at this point. Since Nintendo is already in cahorts with Konami, a Castlevania character seems like an easy choice too. Alucard in SSBB? One can dream.

I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that Ike from FE9 will be in the game, and it wouldn't surprise me if he replaced Roy (since Roy was just in SSBM to advertise FE6.) Besides, it looks like Crimea Castle is already an arena in the game. Look at the flag here...

http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/joeljermon/?action=view&current=flag2.jpg

...and compare it to the Daein crest here...

http://eaichu250.superbusnet.com/FE9/images/CGs/Map6.jpg

...and there's an obvious similarity. Not to mention that the background of that castle area looks highly similar to Ashnard's throne room in FE9.

I am extremely pumped for this game.
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therealmnm | Posted 5/22/2006 2:59:37 PM | message detail
Am I the only one who constantly goes to the topic list, sees the "Nominate." topic isn't there, and then gets my hopes up about the bracket being up, only to realize that I'm not on the first page?
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(only PoP: Sands of Time broke double digit percentage at 10.51%).

Because PoP is too legit to quit!

And yeah, I do that too mnm. >_>

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 5/22/2006 3:05:59 PM | message detail
Is dat sum Run DMC reference?
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 5/22/2006 3:06:18 PM | message detail
Or wait, how bout MC Hamma?
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MC Hammer!

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