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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 284
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| Slowflake | Posted 5/21/2006 12:33:21 PM | message detail |
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True enough. But, just think about this: in favorite polls, LttP is
always a lot closer to OoT than FF6 to FF7. So mathematically speaking,
the lowest Zelda can get against FF is what OoT got against FF7 (46%),
while the highest would be what Link got on Cloud last time they met
(52.5%) Of course, this is all theory, I have no clue how it'll hold up
in practice. --- Also, eat from garbage cans as much as possible, because nobody in America ever throws away anything that can make you fat. -MYC health tip |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 5/21/2006 12:35:34 PM | message detail |
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Hey Slow, nice to have you back; it's good to hear that everything's going well for you. Just to let anyone know, I'll still be running the spread betting contest. It's pretty much the only thing I do here, so you can look forward to/ignore it again these seasons. --- Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb |
| LordOfDabu | Posted 5/21/2006 12:35:44 PM | message detail |
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Those bounds do not apply since the people voting will likely be quite a bit different than either of those two times. --- "I wish I was uniformly bounded; That is what I'd truly like to be. For if I was uniformly bounded; I would be less than infinity." |
| Slowflake | Posted 5/21/2006 12:38:12 PM | message detail |
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I agree. If there's one bound that's more likely to be wrong, it's the
lower one (too low): between the game contest and the last contest we
had, there was a massive demographic shift towards Nintendo. What
awaits us this time around? --- Also, eat from garbage cans as much as possible, because nobody in America ever throws away anything that can make you fat. -MYC health tip |
| Janus5000 | Posted 5/21/2006 12:38:47 PM | message detail |
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lol KH2 --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." |
| swirIdude | Posted 5/21/2006 12:39:37 PM | message detail |
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Speaking of which...how strong will the Kingdom Hearts series be? --- Xbox 360 melts disks! And people made jokes about the PS3 being a grill. ~bokunokuso |
| Slowflake | Posted 5/21/2006 12:39:50 PM | message detail |
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You know, I totally forgot about that. That's what I get for leaving a whole three months. --- Also, eat from garbage cans as much as possible, because nobody in America ever throws away anything that can make you fat. -MYC health tip |
| Slowflake | Posted 5/21/2006 12:44:33 PM | message detail |
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Good question. KH has a nasty history of being near impossible to gauge. 2003: Sora gets blown out by Aeris worse than Kasumi was. Spring 2004: KH, big favorite to take its four-pack, almost lays an egg against Soul Calibur before losing to Starcraft... yet ranks incredibly high in the stats. 2004: Turns out the previous year's beating was SFF, as Sora comes out of nowhere to beat Hayabusa with 60%+. Spring 2005: Ansem almost loses to CATS, and then goes on to rank second in a division containing Eggman, Sin and Kuja among others. 2005: Riku almost beats the overrated Frog, while Sora throws a likely stat anomaly our way by getting massacred by Snake. KH just can't have a normal outing, ever. --- Also, eat from garbage cans as much as possible, because nobody in America ever throws away anything that can make you fat. -MYC health tip |
| therealmnm | Posted 5/21/2006 12:48:20 PM | message detail |
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Well I wouldn't use any of the past KH related matches to gauge anything
right now. KH2 is looking to have a big impact, not just by the
popularity of the game alone, but by the way the series is viewed as a
whole. It's coming into it's own now, instead of just being a Disney/FF
hybrid. I'm betting that the presence of Organization XIII plays a huge
part of that, among others. The first game didn't get nearly as much discussion and buzz as this game did. I really do want to see how Axel would fair in a contest setting. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| Kaxon | Posted 5/21/2006 2:41:48 PM | message detail |
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If there's one bound that's more likely to be wrong, it's the lower one (too low) I disagree, because of the fanbase diversity reason. On this site FF VII gets both more love and more hate than OOT. I think the hate is more likely to be cancelled out when including the rest of of the series. I would not be surprised to see FF win with more than 54% (but I wouldn't be surprised to see it closer either). --- Nominate Aeris for SC2k6 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27379470 |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/21/2006 4:08:29 PM | message detail |
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The biggest advantage for Nintendo series over RPGs is that RPGs
actually have well-developed characters. When we see a vote for Cloud,
it's usually a vote for Cloud, not FF, and vice versa for Link and
Zelda. Because of this, I would expect RPG characters to be far closer
to the strength of their series than other characters. For example: Wind Waker is at 37% in the Xstats, but it added a pretty negligible amount to Link's strength. I would expect that it added far more strength to the actual series than it did to Link, for while Link's character wasn't particularly cool in it, the game was quite fun, and probably introduced a lot of younger gamers to the series. Link only gets a little strength from each of his games, but they all add to the liking of the series, so there could be a fairly large difference there. Of course, Zelda still stands no chance IMO, as FF's fanbase is far more diverse. There are people out there who loved FFIX and hated the rest, only liked FFVI and FFX, despise FFVII, FFVIII, FFX and like every other game, only like the ones before FFVII, only like the ones after FFVII, etc. The Zelda fanbase is probably a lot more unified (how many people bought an N64/GCN for "Nintendo games"?). The only question is whether the FF fanbase's diversity will actually hurt it: will people vote for FF even if they hate FFVII/FFX/etc? Is hatred for one game enough to generate anti-votes for an entire series? --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Slowflake | Posted 5/21/2006 4:16:00 PM | message detail |
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The Zelda fanbase is probably a lot more unified Aside from the 2D/3D POV. In the fall contest last year LttP came a lot closer to OoT than FF6 to FF7 (hell, FF6 was left very far behind the remainder of the Super Seven). The only question is whether the FF fanbase's diversity will actually hurt it: will people vote for FF even if they hate FFVII/FFX/etc? Is hatred for one game enough to generate anti-votes for an entire series? Can't speak for everyone, but despite really liking only two Zeldas, as I mentioned earlier, I'd vote the entire series over almost any opposition in a heartbeat. Despite hating the everloving **** out of Majora's Mask, even. The big question is whether we could treat the "lesser" (as in, non 6/7) FFs the same way we could treat the "lesser" Zeldas (such as LoZ or Wind Waker). I've encountered quite a few Wind Waker fans who disliked the N64 installments. Admittedly, LoZ fans also tend to be LttP fans, but the same can be said to an extent for FF1-5 vs. FF6. Okay, now I'm just rambling, and I have no idea what the heck my point is anymore. --- Also, eat from garbage cans as much as possible, because nobody in America ever throws away anything that can make you fat. -MYC health tip |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 5/21/2006 4:29:40 PM | message detail |
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The only question is whether the FF fanbase's diversity will
actually hurt it: will people vote for FF even if they hate
FFVII/FFX/etc? Is hatred for one game enough to generate anti-votes for
an entire series? I'm not sure why the hatred of one game would cancel out someone's vote for the entire series. I absolutely loathe Final Fantasy IX and Final Fantasy II, but I would still vote for the series over almost every other entry in the contest. I really don't think you're going to encounter too many people who hate just one or two games and would then just not vote for the series at all based off of that. The series has its similarities and its differences every few titles, so everyone should likely find something they like about the games. It does seem as though Final Fantasy would generate more "anti-votes" or "hatred" more than its nearest competitor -- The Legend of Zelda. Still, Final Fantasy has such a large presence on this site and is holds this site's absolute favorite game. The fact that you combine Final Fantasy VII with other Final Fantasy games is a bit scary in what kind of power that might have. --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 5/21/2006 4:31:12 PM | message detail |
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The big question is whether we could treat the "lesser" (as in, non
6/7) FFs the same way we could treat the "lesser" Zeldas (such as LoZ
or Wind Waker). I don't see why we wouldn't. Is there any reason to think of The Wind Waker more highly than Final Fantasy X when added to its series? --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| Fire | Posted 5/21/2006 4:32:34 PM | message detail |
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Aside from the 2D/3D POV. In the fall contest last year LttP came a lot closer to OoT than FF6 to FF7 (hell, FF6 was left very far behind the remainder of the Super Seven). Now, when you say Super Seven, do you mean Super Six? --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| Applause Sign | Posted 5/21/2006 4:34:00 PM | message detail |
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Now when you say Super Six, do you mean Fabulous Five? Okay... I just wanted to say fabulous. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 5/21/2006 4:39:39 PM | message detail |
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That's actually a decent question. I, for instance, despise FFVIII, to
the point where I probably wouldn't vote for FF over some series even
if I like FFVI more than any single game from that series. I think that
sort of thing would probably balance out in the end, though. The biggest question for FF/LoZ is if FFVII > OoT > LttP > FFVI adds up to a LoZ win, and I'm inclined to say no. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/NintendoDesktop2.jpg |
| Aprosenf | Posted 5/21/2006 4:41:16 PM | message detail |
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FastFalcon05 Posted 5/21/2006 3:35:34 PM Just to let anyone know, I'll still be running the spread betting contest. It's pretty much the only thing I do here, so you can look forward to/ignore it again these seasons. Good to know. I look forward to winning it again =) --- For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener |
| therealmnm | Posted 5/21/2006 5:34:12 PM | message detail |
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The biggest question for FF/LoZ is if FFVII > OoT > LttP > FFVI adds up to a LoZ win, and I'm inclined to say no. Even if those four games cancel each other out, I still say that FF has the edge. For games like FFVIII, FFIX, and FFX, there are fans dedicated enough to vote for FF over Zelda when they wouldn't in the absence of that game. To clarify that, I think the presence of those games holds more weight than with Zelda. With Zelda, there probably aren't that many fans of WW/LoZ/AoL/LA who aren't huge fans of OoT or LttP. If that makes any sense... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 5/21/2006 5:36:35 PM | message detail |
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Zelda fans aren't nearly as diverse as FF fans..... that seems kind of obvious to me... --- "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." ~ Benjamin Franklin |
| Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 5/21/2006 5:43:20 PM | message detail |
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LttP came a lot closer to OoT than FF6 to FF7 I don't think that necessarily means anything; there were 10 spots. The Zelda fanbase probably likes OoT AND Lttp a lot and thus voted both of them in. This seems like a more likely scenario then one particular person voting for FFVI and FFVII. Just look at the FF boards. They are always fighting with each other. You don't see that nearly as much with Zelda. The FF series is much more diverse. --- "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." ~ Benjamin Franklin |
| Slowflake | Posted 5/21/2006 5:44:54 PM | message detail |
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The Zelda fanbase probably likes OoT AND Lttp a lot and thus voted both of them in. Actually, I was going for the opposite argument. It's quite possible the Zelda fanbase is bigger than accounted for, and the fanbase split between the two games caused what we saw then. --- Also, eat from garbage cans as much as possible, because nobody in America ever throws away anything that can make you fat. -MYC health tip |
| Fire | Posted 5/21/2006 5:46:26 PM | message detail |
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Actually, I was going for the opposite argument. It's quite possible the Zelda fanbase is bigger than accounted for, and the fanbase split between the two games caused what we saw then. Not likely. There is far more animosity between FF6 and FF7 fans than between LttP fans and OoT fans. Most people that like one Zelda game like all of the good ones. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| LordOfDabu | Posted 5/21/2006 5:55:10 PM | message detail |
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In regards to Zelda vs Final Fantasy, I'm not even sure who I'd vote
for, much less the general population. I can't figure out why people
are so quick to give Final Fantasy the edge over Zelda. I guess I'm trying to decide whether people would vote for a series if they only liked one game in the series (which is what the diversity of the Final Fantasy series theory seems to depend on). This may depend on how well they feel that the game represents the series (for example, I feel that someone who only likes Ocarina of Time would be more likely to vote for the Zelda series than someone who only likes Link's Awakening). Obviously you would if you didn't like any of the games in the other series, but that's rarely the case in later matches (especially the inevitable Zelda vs Final Fantasy match). I also think this is one contest where pictures could make a huge difference. I wish we knew what kind of pictures Final Fantasy would be getting. --- "I wish I was uniformly bounded; That is what I'd truly like to be. For if I was uniformly bounded; I would be less than infinity." |
| Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 5/21/2006 5:57:10 PM | message detail |
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I think it would kick ass if FF got a collage of various cutscenes --- "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." ~ Benjamin Franklin |
| therealmnm | Posted 5/21/2006 6:06:38 PM | message detail |
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I also think this is one contest where pictures could make a huge
difference. I wish we knew what kind of pictures Final Fantasy would be
getting. That's one reason why I think the Mega Man and Sonic series can be strong. I don't think it's just going to be an old Sonic 2 box as the picture this time. I'm guessing we will see pictures like the last couple of rounds of the games contest. Of course, I think Ceej might end up being extra lazy and only have a picture of the series name in game box font on a black background or something. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 5/21/2006 6:08:17 PM | message detail |
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between the game contest and the last contest we had, there was a massive demographic shift towards Nintendo. And yet the top six remained exactly the same in the GameFAQs Top 100 List, with Final Fantasy VII getting 24% of first-place votes (which I think is actually higher than what it got on the poll after the Spring Contest, though both were fairly similar percentages). When approximately a quarter of the voting population still thinks Final Fantasy VII is the best game ever, that's something the FF series has in its corner. Plus, Final Fantasy got three games in the top 12. How far down do you have to go before you hit the 3rd Zelda game? I'd still take Final Fantasy X over The Wind Waker, and who knows? If not for one of the most stacked match pictures of all-time, FFX might have beaten Board 8's beloved, Super Smash Brothers Melee. Keep in mind that Final Fantasy VI wasn't THAT far away from Link to the Past. I don't know where you get this "LttP was MUCH closer to OoT than FFVI to FFVII." The disparity isn't THAT large, really. LttP beat FFVI by about the same amount that FFVII beat OoT, and at least FFVI put up a fight. OoT was dead in the water after the first 30 minutes. Heck, Chrono Trigger put up a bigger fight and it barely beat LttP. Either way, I'm taking Final Fantasy to beat The Legend of Zelda when the time comes, and I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't that close. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Applause Sign | Posted 5/21/2006 6:09:02 PM | message detail |
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I also think this is one contest where pictures could make a huge
difference. I wish we knew what kind of pictures Final Fantasy would be
getting. That's the only rational explanation for the lack of a bracket. Ceej is clearly huddled in a corner right now rocking back and forth because he can't decide how to incorporate pictures into the contest. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Slowflake | Posted 5/21/2006 6:09:39 PM | message detail |
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Oopsie. I meant the last character battle. --- Also, eat from garbage cans as much as possible, because nobody in America ever throws away anything that can make you fat. -MYC health tip |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 5/21/2006 6:10:03 PM | message detail |
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Cloud, Squall, and Tidus in one match picture = Absolute demolition of the rest of the bracket --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| dethfdddddh | Posted 5/21/2006 6:15:55 PM | message detail |
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| TheLivingDemon | Posted 5/21/2006 6:16:28 PM | message detail |
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| HaRRicH | Posted 5/21/2006 6:18:14 PM | message detail |
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I assumed the OoT/LttP debate was more debated by LoZ fans than the
FF3-6/FF7 debate by FF fans...but, regardless, FF7 beat LoZ:OoT worse
than LoZ:LttP beat FF3/6. If you account for unaccounted cheating by
Starcraft (I think CJay left 1,400 cheated votes in against SSBM when
he took out 600, plus any he didn't notice), you could also
statistically say FFX > LoZ:WW. Now, LoZ did better against SMB3
than FF, granted, but I wouldn't expect either to be much of a factor
in this series-contest. Sure, you could discredit this due to being
just over two years old, but I wouldn't count on the outcomes of those
being much different. Nintendo may have had a big boost since then, but
it's not proven Link or Ganon gained from it (Zelda probably did,
though she was snubbed the year before that) and Square fans have since
had KH2 and FF:AC released...it wouldn't make for a large difference
one way or the other. Then let's look at the Top 100 List for some snubbed games of each series from the Game Contest...FF8 got #17 and FF9 got #42 to LoZ:MM's #46 (which is ranked just under LoZ:WW's #45). FF2/4 had #50 as well. LoZ may have had less games on the drop-down box than FF, but it still looks to be outclassed by this method when you compare the games we didn't see in the Game Contest. So...FF's biggest game beats LoZ's biggest game worse than LoZ's second biggest game beat FF's second biggest game, FF's biggest game released this generation likely beats LoZ's biggest game released this generation, both FF games that followed up in FF7's shadow outranked the LoZ game that followed up in LoZ:OoT's shadow, there are more FF games than LoZ games, and I believe FF had the more recent game release than LoZ (not sure). Throw on top of it KH2 and FF:AC, FF7 being 24% of GameFAQs-users' favorite game, and the FFT series...FF wins. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Slowflake | Posted 5/21/2006 6:23:05 PM | message detail |
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Umm... correct me if I'm wrong, but won't FFT be its own entity this contest? --- Also, eat from garbage cans as much as possible, because nobody in America ever throws away anything that can make you fat. -MYC health tip |
| Fire | Posted 5/21/2006 6:25:31 PM | message detail |
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Umm... correct me if I'm wrong, but won't FFT be its own entity this contest? Yeah, but tell that to the voters. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 5/21/2006 6:25:35 PM | message detail |
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| SquallidSnake | Posted 5/21/2006 6:26:15 PM | message detail |
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If FFT gets into the contest anyway. If you account for unaccounted cheating by Starcraft (I think CJay left 1,400 cheated votes in against SSBM when he took out 600, plus any he didn't notice Huh? Ceej didn't remove any votes...Unless you're saying something different and I'm not catching it... --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 5/21/2006 6:46:08 PM | message detail |
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I'm almost positive CJay took votes away from Starcraft; I believe he
said he took away the 600 votes he was sure were cheat-votes and had
another suspect 1,400. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 5/21/2006 6:48:02 PM | message detail |
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No, he didn't remove any because he didn't need to. SSBM won anyway. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 5/21/2006 6:50:37 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=1660 You can check it out for yourself. Mario/Crono I and Kefka/Vercetti are the only matches in which CJayC has removed votes. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 5/21/2006 7:00:07 PM | message detail |
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(I think CJay left 1,400 cheated votes in against SSBM when he took out 600, plus any he didn't notice), I recall CJayC saying he had tracked about 1,200 - 1,400 cheat votes that were in favor of StarCraft. He never actually had to remove any because the cheating stopped and SSBM had enough of a lead to hang on. --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 5/21/2006 7:03:13 PM | message detail |
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Umm... correct me if I'm wrong, but won't FFT be its own entity this contest? It may get into the contest like that, but I sincerely doubt voters are going to separate the two. I doubt the voters are going to separate anything like that. Final Fantasy and Final Fantasy Tactics; Mega Man and Mega Man X; Super Mario and Mario Kart -- whatever it may be, I really doubt the average voter is going not think of the entire series, spin-offs and all, when they see something like "Final Fantasy." The only way I could see them doing that is if Final Fantasy went up against Final Fantasy Tactics or something. --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 5/21/2006 10:56:25 PM | message detail |
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So, what are you going to do about this? I'm not sure. Ask me in an hour. The options range from nothing (if SSBM holds out), to removing all proxy server votes, removing all votes within the known "cheating" timeframe, or even a complete re-run of today's battle from scratch, with new intensive security measures in place to prevent this from happening again. http://www.thengamer.com/gamefaqs/04Spring/CJaySpeaks.txt And I think it's a mistake to put as much stock in that Top Ten listing as I'm seeing everyone do. Don't forget that it was a list created by only ~30k GameFAQs users, the same "hardcore" Contest fans who are interested enough to fill out nomination lists when new Contests are announced. In other words, the same group of people who pushed a flood of Square characters into the '05 Contest, only to see them rudely ejected by every Nintendo character they met. Remember that this was the devoted group that granted Vivi the higher seed against Zelda, who proceeded to beat him like a drum. The same group that keeps giving Kefka nice seeds only to watch him fold like the paper tiger he is the minute the more general Day Vote starts to kick in. From that perspective, I don't see the 24% FF7 up within this group as being nearly so impressive. Spring '04 seems a more reliable indicator of strength once you're talking about the entire 100k+ voter pool, and once you take those results and add in the Nintendo Boost, New Mario, and the momentum Nintendo's carrying in to the new generation, I think you have to consider Zelda and Mario serious threats for the Championship. --- "lol x-stats" - The Contest Simulator: http://thengamer.com/xstats Ngamer's Contest Archives: http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/ |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 5/21/2006 11:34:51 PM | message detail |
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Spring '04 seems a more reliable indicator of strength once you're
talking about the entire 100k+ voter pool, and once you take those
results and add in the Nintendo Boost, New Mario, and the momentum
Nintendo's carrying in to the new generation, I think you have to
consider Zelda and Mario serious threats for the Championship. It's nice to bring up the latest Nintendo boost from the past contest, but it has been countered at this point by Square. The only evidence we have is Top 50 FAQs and the like, but at this point in time it is the best indicator we have right now. Nintendo certainly had a very nice advantage last contest, they did very well at E3, and they did have New Super Mario Bros. release, all of which shouldn't be taken away from them at all, but Square has been no slouch at all during this. Kingdom Hearts II has been a significant part of this site since its release. The only time it dropped from its number one spot on the Top 50 FAQs was for the past couple of days when New Super Mario Bros. released, but has since taken back its number one position on the FAQs. On top of that, Square has had the added benefit of releasing Final Fantasy VII : Advent Children, which clearly had a presence on this site during the time it was released. More still, they came away with a very impressive E3 -- Final Fantasy XIII was huge all over the Internet. You can add some lesser things like Dragon Quest VIII to that equation, too. Nintendo has certainly been impressive, and no one is trying to take that away from them. But I'm not sure there is anything to grab at that would take away Final Fantasy's status as the big favorite to take the "Best. Series. Contest." It holds the absolute favorite game of GameFAQs, we have seen it place first twice now in two different game related contests, and it is receiving releases that keep it fresh in people's minds. When you add the power of Final Fantasy VI, Final Fantasy X, Final Fantasy VIII, and various others to that list it becomes an even bigger beast. Final Fantasy may not dominate this contest, though it would not be particularly surprising if it beat everything without danger of losing, but it is certainly hard to see it losing, even with Nintendo's good streak. But as good as Nintendo has been, Square has been there this year to stay right with them. When Square is pumping out titles that are eaten up by the masses and praised to no end, we have seen what kind of damage they can do in a contest. --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/21/2006 11:53:09 PM | message detail |
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It seems like everyone is kind of underestimating the Mario series. I
don't think I've ever seen anyone even consider that it might do better
than Zelda in the contest...but why not? It has far more games than
Zelda does, and if people believe that the Mario Kart/RPG/etc. series
are a part of normal Mario, its performance could be awe-inspiring,
perhaps even better than Final Fantasy's. Combine that with the
plumber's recent renaissance (NSMB + SMG), and it's definitely bizarre
that nobody thinks it stands a chance. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Lopen | Posted 5/21/2006 11:58:49 PM | message detail |
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I think Mario has an outside chance against Zelda, but any serious upset potential I thought was there is pretty much denied by one sickening match... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1644 Oh yeah, Super Mario Bros 3 beat LoZ, but LoZ didn't just completely collapse like that. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 5/22/2006 12:02:17 AM | message detail |
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Well. No bracket, but quite an interesting poll... --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/NintendoDesktop2.jpg |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 5/22/2006 12:06:14 AM | message detail |
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Very nice poll. Kingdom Hearts should win this one without much of a
problem once we hit the day hours, but a nice choice. It should fall
right in line that FAQ listing bit. --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 5/22/2006 12:09:44 AM | message detail |
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It seems like everyone is kind of underestimating the Mario series.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone even consider that it might do
better than Zelda in the contest...but why not? I tried giving a hint of that support of Mario potentially doing something a little while back, but it's hard to see it overcoming Zelda. I think the possibility of it doing equally as well, if not better, on Final Fantasy is a distinct possibility, but there's no way it's going to be Zelda head-to-head. I can't think of very many instances where something Mario has actually trumped something from Zelda, be it a game contest, character contest, or just a regular poll. It seems rather established that Zelda > Mario at this site. Even with Mario's recent streak of greatness, Zelda has Twilight Princess right there to keep things in check. Now when it's not against Zelda, I think there is some very nice potential there ... --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| jonthomson | Posted 5/22/2006 2:00:13 AM | message detail |
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I'm giving FF the edge over Zelda, but only just. If you look at the
games that made the game contest, there's four from each matching up
era to era, and it's not easy to split them. FF7 edges out OoT. LttP
edges out FF3/6. Wind Waker is listed above FFX but I don't know why
and I figure it'd lose in a direct match. The original Zelda is above
the original FF. How do we factor in the other games? FF8 or Majora's
Mask? Another early FF against Zelda 2? What could possibly be compared
to Link's Awakening? All that's making me lean towards FF is that Cloud can hold his own against Link. That's the protagonist of Zelda's entire series against the lead from just one of the FF series, albeit the most popular. Factor in the rest and it should be enough to give FF the edge, probably with 51.5%. Having said that, if TP came out tomorrow, I'd pick Zelda without thinking. And no, Mario stands no chance against Zelda either. --- Jon Thomson - CATS, Jay Solano, Ridley, Scorpion, Alien Hominid, Duke Nukem, The Prince, Johnny Rocketfingers, two TBA |