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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/12/2006 8:32:06 PM | message detail
and I don't see therealmnm be biased as much as I do Leonhart.

Hey! I can be unbiased! I just...choose not to be.

But I do agree with mnm in thinking Halo would beat out Metroid. I think Metroid's going to be one of the bigger busts in this contest.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2006 8:32:15 PM | message detail
Don't forget Dante > Vincent after Kerrigan > Vincent (and did you say Squall > Vincent too?).
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 5/12/2006 8:33:07 PM | message detail
Don't forget Dante > Vincent after Kerrigan > Vincent (and did you say Squall > Vincent too?).

Don't remember if I had said Squall>Vincent after the first round.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/12/2006 8:34:03 PM | message detail
I know I did!

Also, I think DMC > RE is a viable upset choice...
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2006 8:37:18 PM | message detail
Never said you couldn't be, settle.

Halo > Metroid's a sexy upset pick, but I don't know if I could bring myself to do it. I would probably play it safe with Metroid. I do want to ask this though...would anybody think there may be a correlation that we can draw where -- once we see how the Metroid series fares -- we can get a better idea of how much being in the SSB games can help a character? It'd have to be a weak correlation, but one would think that, for as strong as Samus is, if her series isn't well-received then she would get the rest of her strength from SSB/M. Could anybody else see this being possible?
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Ngamer64 | Posted 5/12/2006 8:38:25 PM | message detail
- Mario and Zelda should square off in what might be an interesting Final Four matchup, strongest goes on to face FF.
- The bracket opposite FF ought to have three from the top of the second tier, to make for a really interesting division... something like MGS, Mega, Melee 1/2/3.

- MK is a waste at 6
- DK wasted with a 7
- huge waste of Pokemon, a series with much potential, as an 8
- would rather see Sonic against one of the Megas than Chrono (to fuel that cool new rivarly)
- Halo/Blizzard is ok, but make it Diablo instead of Warcraft, better upset chance
- MGS coming off huge hype is wasted with predictable crushing of GTA and loss to Zelda
- KH hype wasted in loss to SSB (to be fair, 2 days ago I would have liked the matchup)
- snub of Mario Kart hurts, Star Fox less so
- SF couldn't hang with Mario RPG, Mega Man is way too much
- RE4 carries the series past DMC too easily for a 4/5

Matchups I like:

+ Diablo/HL
+ SC/FFT (SC is so weird, it will be interesting anywhere)
+ Halo/Metroid
+ Mario/FF
+ Mega/Smash
+ Zelda/FF

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therealmnm | Posted 5/12/2006 8:38:34 PM | message detail
Nah, I thought about DMC > RE, but I think overall that RE is the bigger and more popular name. It's been around longer, has the movies and recognition, and has a more diverse fanbase, with RE4 and the other Resident Evil games being on Gamecube.
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trannyscience | Posted 5/12/2006 8:39:02 PM | message detail
I actually think Metroid is becoming underrated - I swear I've seen half of board 8 say that it's going to bomb. it's not going to be a powerhouse, but it should be able to hold off Halo.

I would definitely pick GTA or something over it though.
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NewLib | Posted 5/12/2006 8:39:06 PM | message detail
Personally, I thought the two toughest matches I created were Diablo/Half-Life and Resident Evil/DMC.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 5/12/2006 8:39:54 PM | message detail
1. Mario Bros.
8. Seiken Densetsu
4. Diablo
5. Half Life
3. Chrono
6. Mortal Kombat
2. Sonic
7. Donkey Kong Country

1. Final Fantasy
8. Pokemon
4. Soul Calibur
5. Final Fantasy Tactics
3. Halo
6. Warcraft
2. Metroid
7. Madden

1. Legend of Zelda
8. Contra
4. Mega Man X
5. Street Fighter
3. Grand Theft Auto
6. Dragon Quest
2. Metal Gear
7. Pac-Man

1. Mega Man
8. The Elder Scrolls
4. Resident Evil
5. Devil May Cry
3. Kingdom Hearts
6. Kirby
2. Super Smash Brothers
7. Doom


I'll give this a go.

1. Mario bros.
4. Diablo: This could be a very interesting match actually. Two of what are probably the most popular pc games on gamefaqs facing off could be close. I'm going to give diablo the win though because of blizzard's overall popularity.
3. Chrono
2. Sonic

1. Final fantasy: I'd expect pokemon to get a decent seed in the actual contest though. I'll be shocked if it's an 8 seed.
5. FFT: I think the final fantasy name could carry it through to the next round, although soul calibur could easily win. It would be close I think.
3. Halo: I'd expect that after halo 2 the halo franchise would be capable of taking on warcraft. I also think warcraft would be the weakest of the "blizzard threesome" (starcraft, diablo, warcraft) though.
2. Metroid: This shouldn't even be deated. Madden can't even win the multi-platform game of the year polls, and gamefaqs generally hates sports games. How could it even dream of beating metroid?

1. Legend of Zelda: this would be a huge blowout. That much should be obvious though.
4. Megaman X: I think this series could be a dark horse of sorts if it gets in. I can see it being underestimated to all hell by most bracket makers.
3. GTA: Its unforunate, but dragon quest probably wouldn't be overly strong in the contest. I'd expect it to be a high end mid-carder. GTA might be able to surpass that.
2. Metal gear

1. Megaman: As a diehard TES fan, i'm hoping it gets a decent seed, because if it's a 7 or 8 seed it's almost definitely going to get trounced.
4. Resident Evil: With RE4's success this could quite possibly be a very powerful series.
3. Kingdom hearts: With KH2's recent release I would be very, very surprised to see kirby win.
2. SSB: I don't think doom would actually be very strong at all. Gamefaqs isn't big on fps's as a rule as it is, and doom while being a classic probably isn't very popular here.


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dragoontheguy | Posted 5/12/2006 8:40:05 PM | message detail
Round 2:

1. Mario bros.: I'd epxect this to be at least one of the five top series. Diablo would probably put up a rspectable fight but be beaten by a relatively large margin.
2. Sonic: This might be close, but I don't think the chrono series would win. I hope it gets in though, if anything just so we can access it's overall strength.

1. Final fantasy: Thuis should just be a given. I could even see a large sum of sff.
2. Metroid: Halo might be strong, but it still has enough hate on gamefaqs to stop it from being any sort of real powerhouse. I don't see it being very strong for a long while, if at all.

1. Legend of Zelda: MMX would prove itself to be legitimately strong, but it wouldn't stand a chance against what will undoubtedly be one of the top two series in the actual contest along with final fantasy.
2. Metal Gear: I could see a close match, but I think the MG series has enough popularity to win as long as people consider metal gear and metal gear solid to be one in the same.

1. Megaman: An obvious outcome.
2. SSB: A close match if it were to happen... I'm just doing what I always do when I can't decide on an outcome in actual contests. Picking the series I like better.

Round 3:

1. Mario Bros.: This would be intersting because of the fact that sonic and mario have, as characters, never faced off before (I think), but mario would win comfortably. Sonic just doesn't have the popularity it used to.

1. Final Fantasy: It's an obvious finalist...

1. Legend of Zelda. Anotyher obvious finalist...

1. Megaman: I'd see SSB being close, but still coming up short.

Round 4:

Final fantasy murders mario in a way it never should be beaten, and LoZ makes megaman look like a joke. Just like cloud and link do to, well, everyone tha isn't each other in every character contest (excluding the first one obviously).

Round 5:

Who would win? Probably final fantasy. Who would I pick in my Bracket. Probably LoZ. I like picking underdogs in matches like this, and I think LoZ's chances are being severely underestimated.

Hmm... That took longer than I thought to do. Well at least it alleviated my boredom for a while.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/12/2006 8:40:59 PM | message detail
Well, I'll just say that Samus probably doesn't get that close to Sonic in 2002 without Smash Brothers. It kept her fresh.

I doubt we'll be able to make much correlation though, personally. It'd be a stretch. It's another characters =/= games thing. I believe Samus to be much more popular than her games.
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LoopZoopTheBest | Posted 5/12/2006 8:41:46 PM | message detail
Metroid has a ton of history and recognition, but I can definitely understand why so many people think it will underperform. The single biggest piece of insight we have for this contest is SpC2K4, and no series was screwed more than Metroid in that contest.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2006 8:41:54 PM | message detail
Nah, I'm not a fan of DMC > RE. It wouldn't be a blow-out, but here's what RE has on its side:

1) RE's the bigger series, both in name-power and game library.
2) RE has spanned more consoles.
3) RE has the biggest game (RE4).
4) RE has at least three well-received games (RE, RE2, and RE4) to SMC simply having three games (not counting DMC3:SE as a separate game right now).

I think DMC has some record about being the highest-selling series per game (something similar to that, not sure if it still stands either), but I don't like the risk of DMC > RE, not at all.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 5/12/2006 8:42:20 PM | message detail
I actually think Metroid is becoming underrated - I swear I've seen half of board 8 say that it's going to bomb. it's not going to be a powerhouse, but it should be able to hold off Halo.

People are stil reeling from what happened to samus in the character contest IMO. It's expected that board 8 would underestimate everything metroid after that, including samus next contest. I could see her being the noble niner that people start saying could be beaten by some non-noble niner on her path this year.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2006 8:44:39 PM | message detail
About the bracket, I'll note one thing (I generally like to see brackets outside of the CS&D topic instead of inside, but "se la vi"): I really really like the Diablo/Half-Life match.
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swirIdude | Posted 5/12/2006 8:45:05 PM | message detail
It seems like Mario beating down Samus has caused a lot of you to say Metroid is going to bomb here. I don't see that being the case. I think that Super Metroid could've caused more damage if not caught by LttP in the second round in 2004, for once. And Prime is nothing to sneeze at either. Samus was Sonic's equal before Prime, it's clear to see that's helped her even more since then.

BTW, if Mario can SFF Samus easily. I think Link could've too in 2003. That would be interesting to think about, perhaps Mario can SFF his own company more efficiently than Link.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/12/2006 8:45:06 PM | message detail
Well, I know I just said characters =/= games, but keep in mind that Dante as a character far outclasses anything Resident Evil brings to the table in a character contest. Heck, the original did horribly in Sp2K4 (though who knows if SFF was present, plus it's behind FFVII/MGS "SFF"). We didn't get to see a Devil May Cry game though.
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LoopZoopTheBest | Posted 5/12/2006 8:45:42 PM | message detail
I think DMC has some record about being the highest-selling series per game

Halo/Chrono?
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therealmnm | Posted 5/12/2006 8:45:50 PM | message detail
I actually think Metroid is becoming underrated - I swear I've seen half of board 8 say that it's going to bomb. it's not going to be a powerhouse, but it should be able to hold off Halo.

I would definitely pick GTA or something over it though.


Nah, I don't think it's going to bomb. Just being a popular Nintendo series guarantees it will have contest strength. I was just more pointing out that Halo is no slouch and can easily give Metroid a run for it's money. Metroid is probably one of the more niche Nintendo series. It certainly has it's fans, but it also has a lot of people who don't care for the games.

BOLD PREDICTION:

The Mario Kart series would beat the Metroid series head to head. Agree or disagree?

I actually don't know how bold of a statement that is...
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 5/12/2006 8:46:12 PM | message detail
I'd wager that in 2002, Samus got almost a quarter of her strength from SSB/SSBM. This might seem like a lot, but the fact is, she was completely obscure to anyone who wasn't a knowledgeable gamer in the SNES era. I'd never heard of her until SSB, that's for sure. At this point, she probably still gets a good 15-20% of her power from the SSB series.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/12/2006 8:46:23 PM | message detail
Does anyone know when the nominations finish?
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NewLib | Posted 5/12/2006 8:47:11 PM | message detail
To be quite honest I think you could create a 64 bracket out of this and not have tons of fodder and also have some interesting matchups. Put in Star Fox, Fire Emblem, Tales, Tetris, Onimusha, Splinter Cell (which I think will have a lot more strength than Sam Fisher), Civilization, Knights of the Old Republic, Silent Hill, Sims, Suikoden, Tales, Gran Turismo, Star Ocean, Animal Crossing, and such. I think you could get a lot of interesting matchups.
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Janus5000 | Posted 5/12/2006 8:47:20 PM | message detail
I'd pick MK over Metroid pretty easily.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/12/2006 8:47:22 PM | message detail
BTW, if Mario can SFF Samus easily. I think Link could've too in 2003.

Well, I've stood behind that for a while. It also makes what Squall, Luigi, and Kirby did in 2005 a little more believable (much less extreme boost in Kirby's and Luigi's cases). Sure, some things don't quite line up, but nevertheless, it's still a viable argument.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2006 8:47:32 PM | message detail
...maybe that record is Capcom-specific then. I'm not sure, though I know I've heard something along those lines about it.
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trannyscience | Posted 5/12/2006 8:48:06 PM | message detail
RE beats DMC thanks to RE4. RE4 is way bigger than any of the DMCs. I wouldn't base that one on characters.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/12/2006 8:48:42 PM | message detail
The Chrono series didn't sell all that well in America, at least not enough to earn that honor.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/12/2006 8:48:56 PM | message detail
The Mario Kart series would beat the Metroid series head to head. Agree or disagree?

I agree. I can see the Mario Kart series being very strong.
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swirIdude | Posted 5/12/2006 8:49:06 PM | message detail
Speaking of debated SFF, many here thought Cloud/Auron had no SFF, and then look what happened with Tails.
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LoopZoopTheBest | Posted 5/12/2006 8:49:22 PM | message detail
The Mario Kart series would beat the Metroid series head to head. Agree or disagree?

Agree. Head-to-head, I think Metroid loses to four separate Nintendo series.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/12/2006 8:49:48 PM | message detail
...maybe that record is Capcom-specific then. I'm not sure, though I know I've heard something along those lines about it.

It was an overall record before Halo 2 came out, but yeah, it's definitely Capcom's best selling series because they don't constantly rehash it like they do everything else they've got.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2006 8:49:53 PM | message detail
*predicted VJ/Tails correctly*

Yeah, look! =P
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 5/12/2006 8:50:20 PM | message detail
YA GET SKEETED ON ^_^
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dethfdddddh | Posted 5/12/2006 8:51:21 PM | message detail
I could've sworn DMC 3 sold horribly.....
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swirIdude | Posted 5/12/2006 8:51:58 PM | message detail
Well not just VJ/Tails, but Tails getting 42% on Dante. That one surprised me a bit.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/12/2006 8:53:02 PM | message detail
I really hope the Mario Kart series makes it. I want to see what kind of punch it has. It'll definitely be one of the more interesting entries.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
charmander6000 | Posted 5/12/2006 8:53:21 PM | message detail
I know we can have 64 series without too much fodder, but CJayC also said there would be a character contest in the summer.
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therealmnm | Posted 5/12/2006 8:56:31 PM | message detail
I didn't underestimate Tails... I just overrated Viewtiful Joe to hell. I kinda fell for the trap of Ceej setting him up to face Dante in a battle of Capcom stars, along with VJ's high seeding. Dante became considerably popular after only having one game in 2k2, so I thought VJ could do the same. Forgot to take into account that one sold well on PS2 while the other had mediocre sales on GC and PS2.

Yeah, one of my three mistakes in 2k4...
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NewLib | Posted 5/12/2006 8:58:04 PM | message detail
Alright I made some slight calibrations.

1. Mario Bros.
8. Dragon Quest
4. Diablo
5. Half Life
3. Chrono
6. Mortal Kombat
2. Metroid
7. Warcraft

1. Legend of Zelda
8. Pac Man
4. Soul Calibur
5. Final Fantasy Tactics
3. Mega Man X
6. Donkey Kong Country
2. Grand Theft Auto
7. Madden

1. Mega Man
8. Contra
4. Street Fighter
5. Pokemon
3. Metal Gear
6. Halo
2. Sonic
7. Kirby

1. Final Fantasy
8. The Elder Scrolls
4. Resident Evil
5. Devil May Cry
3. Kingdom Hearts
6. Super Mario Kart
2. Super Smash Brothers
7. Doom
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 5/12/2006 8:59:18 PM | message detail
So who wants to take bets on whether I get a perfect first round this contest or not? >>;
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yoshifan823 | Posted 5/12/2006 8:59:21 PM | message detail
A: MK should be in the top half of the bracket, meaning a 1-4 seed.
B: You gave MK the worst 3 seed.
C: I'd make a great analysis person. Why?
1: I can spell Analysis without the use of a spell checker.
2: I have WAAAAAAAY too much time on my hands during the summer.
3: I can write alot, look at all the angles, ect.
4: I'm a different kind of thinker.

Look at the long list^^^. I can write alot too.^^
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therealmnm | Posted 5/12/2006 9:02:41 PM | message detail
You just wasted Halo AND Metroid in the new bracket...
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/12/2006 9:03:25 PM | message detail
Hello, Halo. Welcome to a potential SFF-fest.
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LoopZoopTheBest | Posted 5/12/2006 9:07:21 PM | message detail
1. Mario Bros.
5. Half Life
3. Chrono
2. Metroid

1. Legend of Zelda
5. Final Fantasy Tactics
3. Mega Man X
2. Grand Theft Auto

1. Mega Man
4. Street Fighter
3. Metal Gear
2. Sonic

1. Final Fantasy
4. Resident Evil
6. Super Mario Kart
2. Super Smash Brothers

FF > Zelda

Nice match between Kingdom Hearts and Mario Kart, but I think both the Nintendo multiplayer series have bracket-busting abilities, so they should be put in positions in order to test that.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 5/12/2006 9:08:04 PM | message detail
I think that, although the Metroid games individually may be somewhat weak, Samus herself is a good indication that collectively, the series will be able to put together a strong showing in this Contest. Unlike a series of very similar games released closely together (Halo or GTA for instance), Samus is strong because not only does her series stretch through so many years/generations, but Prime/Echoes are able to appeal even to those who didn't experience Samus in her side-scrolling glory, yet the games were true enough to the Metroid feel to not alienate the old-school fanbase (for the most part, anyways). I'm expecting the series as a whole to show us much of the same, and so yeah, I'd take it the Halos and GTAs of the world without too much hesitation.

That being said, of course, it'll still suffer an embarrassing SFFed beatdown to many other options Nintendo has to offer.

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HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2006 9:09:11 PM | message detail
I don't know if I'd take Mario Kart > Metroid; the more I've thought here lately, the less I think highly of its potential strength. Yes, it would be pretty strong, and yes, Mario (r?)SFF'd Samus...but look at the Top 100 List. I know the only rep is Super Mario Kart and I feel confident that Mario Kart 64 is more popular, alongside MK:DD!! selling well and MKDS being popular, but being #61 on a drop-down box of 130 isn't all so impressive, and here's how the Mario games from the list go:

Super Mario Bros. 3 - 5
Super Mario 64 - 13
Super Mario Bros. - 22
Super Mario World - 23
Super Mario RPG - 26
Super Mario Kart - 61
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island - 82

Seeing the original on the SNES be that noticably behind the four main Mario games and a spin-off RPG scares me some. From the few polls I've seen about SMW2:YI, it's tended to bomb every time I've seen it too (to be fair, one or two of them were "What's your favorite Mario game?" where SMW would be a choice)...and SMK isn't too far away from it. There were also thirteen other Nintendo games ahead of it, too, making me wonder as well.


Again, I feel confident SMK isn't the best judge to go by on it nor is it generally good to only have one game to judge a series, but it still gives me a heavy feeling due to it still being a big staple of the series.
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therealmnm | Posted 5/12/2006 9:09:19 PM | message detail
I think the Chrono series is being underrated too. I haven't seen it put up with a game of it's calibur as well. While it may not be Zelda/Mario/FF level, I can easily see it giving anything else a run through the power of Chrono Trigger alone.

SSB/Chrono anyone?
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LoopZoopTheBest | Posted 5/12/2006 9:16:33 PM | message detail
This is completely off-topic, but it seems that CJayC is very determined to have a different theme for each Spring Contest. Since we've already covered games, villains, and series, who else thinks we'll be seeing a "Best Game Company" contest 12 months from now? Holy moly, I think that would be a dream come true for all of us.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/12/2006 9:19:33 PM | message detail
I'd just like to point out that Super Metroid doesn't have to be much stronger than Metroid Prime to be on par with games like SSBM, Halo, Starcraft, Wind Waker, etc.
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