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Heroic Mario | Posted 5/16/2006 11:05:25 PM | message detail
It seems like it. I know it pretty much stands no chance against the likes of The Legend of Zelda just based on how the food chain seems to go based on the character and game contests. I think it could, potentially, help out a bit if people did not bother to think, "Well, this must mean platformers and not Mario Kart/Golf/Tennis/RPG/etc." It just seems that there is so much great strength to pull from that it could maybe do something a bit unexpected. Might be too much of a stretch, though, I suppose.

I guess I'll just wait on the bracket, which CJayC needs to post now!!

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MnMZero | Posted 5/16/2006 11:07:31 PM | message detail
I know people don't think of them all the same, but I'm sure a good amount will vote for Super Mario based on how much they like all of the Mario games... unless they are specifically researching the bracket and looking at multiple series.

Besides, what if Mario Party, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, etc. don't make it? Wouldn't you think that people that like those games will vote under the Mario name?
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Heroic Mario | Posted 5/16/2006 11:12:07 PM | message detail
That's what I was thinking. If it is a "Best. Series. Ever." and Mario is represented without specification like Super Mario (Platformer), then it would seem to me that most voters would just voted based on how they like the entirety of the Mario series as opposed to just the platformer games, even though those undoubtedly generate the most liking.

I figured that might make something a little more interesting with Final Fantasy -- there's no way Zelda is losing to another Nintendo franchise -- if it were to face off against it, especially in a final situation where Final Fantasy has maybe offed Zelda. I doubt it matters much, but Nintendo is coming off an E3 filled with the next big Mario game and New Super Mario Bros. just releasing today could do something. Maybe not ...

But yeah, maybe they would not think that "Super Mario" necessarily means everything, but they might vote for their liking of the whole Mario series. I'm not sure I would see the average voter thinking, "Well I liked Mario Kart, but I don't think that's this ..." Maybe I'm wrong though.

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transience | Posted 5/16/2006 11:17:40 PM | message detail
to me, Mario + its spinoffs isn't that much stronger than just Mario alone anyway. Mario Kart is really the only series of note. Mario's spinoffs are good, but I don't think they'll make much of a difference at all in a contest like this.

as for NSMB, if the match was today you might have something, but we're likely not having a contest match for a month or so. it'll still matter, but not nearly as much as if the match was in the next week or so. plus, it won't really matter until at least the semifinals, which is yet another month after the contest starts.
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MnMZero | Posted 5/16/2006 11:25:47 PM | message detail
I agree that Mario having it's spinoffs won't make that much a difference in the Mario series' overall strength, since Mario is already popular enough. But don't write off the strength of each of those series individually. Any Mario game can do a good bit of damage in this contest given the right circumstances. Let the Mario RPG series take on the like of, say... CASTLEVANIA!!! It could easily do some damage. =P

As for New Super Mario Bros., it may be early, but don't underestimate it's influence. I'm sure within the next two weeks that the game will bring a good deal of people to the site. Sure, it's no KH2 as far as board activity is concerned. But as far as people coming onto GameFAQs and checking out the FAQs and stuff for the game, it may help out the Mario series quite a bit. Again, it's a moot point seeing how it's already pretty much agreed upon that Mario beats anything but Zelda and FF. Just a thing to keep an eye on.
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transience | Posted 5/16/2006 11:33:02 PM | message detail
oh, I'm not; I'm saying that the only series that would significantly help Mario's strength is the Kart series. I actually forgot about Mario RPG, that would be another. a lot of Mario's spinoffs would have some decent strength in a contest setting, definitely.

as for NSMB, maybe it's just me but I can't imagine going to GF for a Mario game unless it was uber-hard or something. (I see it's already #5 though, so maybe I'm full of crap - though it may be people just curious about the game.) once two months have passed, I wouldn't expect NSMB to have nearly as much of an impact as it would right now.

(ps: its! its! its!)
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MnMZero | Posted 5/16/2006 11:36:56 PM | message detail
So I make one mistake with it's its... I was typing fast! I do NOT need to be told what's right thank you. =P
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transience | Posted 5/16/2006 11:37:30 PM | message detail
I'll remember that when you make it the next ten times!
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yoblazer33 | Posted 5/17/2006 9:26:32 AM | message detail
You've got ice water running through your veins, CJayC.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/17/2006 10:03:06 AM | message detail
You've got a heart three sizes too small, CJayC.
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Applause Sign | Posted 5/17/2006 11:59:41 AM | message detail
Fortunately for him, he doesn't suffer from HaRR-small wangincitis.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/17/2006 12:02:56 PM | message detail
That's a burn nearly on the level of EC's sensation while urinating!

Seriously Ceej, where's the bracket? C'mon now. If this is gonna be decided during June, we need a bracket ASAP.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 5/17/2006 12:05:43 PM | message detail
Indeed. Let's try not to have a 10 day nomination period!

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Applause Sign | Posted 5/17/2006 12:07:31 PM | message detail
That's a burn nearly on the level of EC's sensation while urinating!

Well I knew it was good, I just didn't think it was that awesome ! !

Seriously though, if this is to start on June 1st/May 31st, depending on if he wants the last match to be on the last day of June, we need a bracket. Posthaste.

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transience | Posted 5/17/2006 12:08:24 PM | message detail
June could be June 31 !!
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Kaxon | Posted 5/17/2006 12:19:49 PM | message detail
He said it would be "decided" in June, which requires the contest is actually be completed. (Also, there is no June 31st.)

I'd like to file a feedback ticket telling him to hurry up... but I'm worried that giving him more feedback tickets will just delay him even more!
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Applause Sign | Posted 5/17/2006 12:21:01 PM | message detail
Maybe I should get modded again and ask some contest related questions. It didn't work too well last time, but oh well.

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transience | Posted 5/17/2006 12:21:51 PM | message detail
oops !

just be patient. it will come!
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Applause Sign | Posted 5/17/2006 12:22:23 PM | message detail
Also the summer contest is going to "follow in late summer."

Which pretty much means late august, because I seriously doubt he'll start it in September, though it's possible. Anyway, if we don't have something before Saturday, this is just insane.

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voltch | Posted 5/17/2006 1:44:37 PM | message detail
so summer contest in autumn now hmm?
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therealmnm | Posted 5/17/2006 2:00:51 PM | message detail
Summer technically lasts until around September 22nd...
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/17/2006 3:17:23 PM | message detail
GameSpot has officially caught me off-guard:


What about the Wii excites you most?
The controller's motion-sensing abilities. 9770 (32%)
The return of the Zapper. 5950 (20%)
The games. 4777 (16%)
Being able to access old Nintendo games through the arcade. 3552 (11%)
Something else. 513 (1%)
Nothing about the Wii excites me. 5087 (17%)


It strikes me as very odd that, for as great of a line-up as the Wii has coming and the huge news of Solid Snake in SSBB, "the games" is in FOURTH to "the controller's motion-sensing abilities" (which was a big cause of hate just months ago), "the return of the Zapper" (made possible through the controller's motion-sensing abilities), and "nothing about the Wii excites me" (after its huge E3 showing?). GameSpot is more of a casual site than GameFAQs, too -- I would have figured they would have been more against the controller than this.....
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trannyscience | Posted 5/17/2006 3:22:42 PM | message detail
it's about the controller and the zapper, stupid!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/17/2006 3:32:46 PM | message detail
You're asking Gamespot to vote on something intelligently.

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trannyscience | Posted 5/17/2006 3:33:33 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2004
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Fire | Posted 5/17/2006 3:35:44 PM | message detail
"the controller's motion-sensing abilities" (which was a big cause of hate just months ago)


...What? That's the whole reason people want it... Because it's different.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 5/17/2006 3:36:48 PM | message detail
*Continues to F-5 Contest Stat topic junkies >_>*
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/17/2006 3:40:18 PM | message detail
You can't tell me that there were not many people complaining about the controller when it was first shown -- there were lots and lots of people (who I thought included you) that saw the remote controller as being another way Nintendo messed up a good thing.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 5/17/2006 3:49:04 PM | message detail
That was back when it was first introduced. You would be hard pressed to find a lot of people at this point who think the Wii-mote is still a terrible idea and that it is Nintendo messing up a good thing, especially after the widespread praise after E3.

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HaRRicH | Posted 5/17/2006 3:53:49 PM | message detail
So then, therefore, I can stand by what I said: it was a big cause of hate just months ago.
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Fire | Posted 5/17/2006 3:54:48 PM | message detail
You can't tell me that there were not many people complaining about the controller when it was first shown -- there were lots and lots of people (who I thought included you) that saw the remote controller as being another way Nintendo messed up a good thing.

I'm Adept of Aiur.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 5/17/2006 3:57:03 PM | message detail
So then, therefore, I can stand by what I said: it was a big cause of hate just months ago.

But things have most certainly changed, especially after E3. The results of that poll are not the least bit shocking, personally.

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HaRRicH | Posted 5/17/2006 3:57:25 PM | message detail
I thought that was HM. My bad.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/17/2006 3:59:27 PM | message detail
Nor am I trying to say things haven't changed. It just completely took me off-guard that they changed THAT much and there there are that many people who are that more excited over the feature than its upcoming games announced thus far, considering there's a game mentioned for each of their four biggest series.
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Tai | Posted 5/17/2006 5:07:50 PM | message detail
Well, the motion-sensing abilities is pretty brand new. :-)
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/17/2006 6:33:07 PM | message detail
Well, I think everyone's interested in at least trying out the controller to see what it's like. It does seem to be pretty captivating.
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swirIdude | Posted 5/17/2006 6:42:52 PM | message detail
I am captivated and I have yet to touch its godliness.
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therealmnm | Posted 5/17/2006 6:45:08 PM | message detail
I remain skeptical on if it's something I will really like overall.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/17/2006 7:48:58 PM | message detail
I'm sold sold on the Wiimote yet.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 5/17/2006 8:35:16 PM | message detail
New Super Mario Bros. threatens Kingdom Hearts II's position at number one!!


More as it breaks ... !

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yoblazer33 | Posted 5/17/2006 8:49:47 PM | message detail
We can't rely on Wiimote discussion for sustenance, CJayC. Please...
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Lopen | Posted 5/17/2006 8:51:12 PM | message detail
How can I begin spreading my LIIIIIGHT without a bracket? How? This nomination period is absurd! Absurd I say!
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244
King Morgoth | Posted 5/17/2006 8:51:35 PM | message detail
When's the last time I actually posted here....
I'm surprised nobody compared the polls yet, quite a jump for a 2-week span...

Do you plan to buy a PlayStation 3?

May 1st
Yes, I've already pre-ordered one - 1.51% ---\
Yes, I'll definitely get one - 31.32% -------------/ 32.83%
Probably, if it's priced right - 26.47% ----------\
Maybe, I need to play one first - 9.43% -------/ 35.90%
Probably not, it sounds too expensive - 12.78%
No, I'll be happy with a PC/360/Wii - 18.49%

May 17th
Yes, the full $600 version - 22.62% --------\
Yes, the limited $500 version - 4.22% -------/ 26.84% (-6.99%)
Maybe, if I see some good games - 15.05% (-20.85%)
Probably not, it's just too expensive - 24.93% (+12.15%)
No, I'd rather play a Wii/PC/360 - 33.19% (+14.70%)

Same question, pretty much the same choices, and a huge jump.
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therealmnm | Posted 5/17/2006 8:58:43 PM | message detail
That huge jump in the last option was mainly due to the Wii's great showing.
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Janus5000 | Posted 5/17/2006 9:01:32 PM | message detail
(-6.99%)

That should be -5.99%.
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Lopen | Posted 5/17/2006 9:02:41 PM | message detail
Heh... Probably, if it's priced right - 26.47%
Probably not, it's just too expensive - 24.93%

One can also infer that $600 was probably not the right price (go figure!), which would lead to a big jump from probably so to probably not. That's probably the biggest reason for the jump I'd say.

As for the final option... all Micro$oft's doing! X-Box 360 fa life!

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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244
HaRRicH | Posted 5/17/2006 11:36:23 PM | message detail
I love how the tides changed for the PS3 polls.
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TheLastOblesik | Posted 5/17/2006 11:46:12 PM | message detail
Gordon Freeman is tight
Heroic Mario | Posted 5/17/2006 11:46:36 PM | message detail
Tubular!

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transience | Posted 5/17/2006 11:46:40 PM | message detail
NOMINATE STARTROPICS, WHERE YO-YOS KICK ASS.
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