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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 282

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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/9/2006 11:48:16 PM | message detail
Seems like a bit of a Square shift is somewhat inevitable, but will it be enough to matter? We shall see.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/9/2006 11:53:05 PM | message detail
I think so. I thought Kingdom Hearts II alone would be sufficient, but then there Advent Children, their unveiling of FFXIII, a spectacular E3 performance, Dirge of Cerberus in the middle of the contest, and perhaps FFIII DS depending on when the contest begins. We've already seen some little hints in the FAQs and such too.

It should make for two fantastic contests.

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Chinballz | Posted 5/10/2006 1:25:42 AM | message detail
If Raiden makes the contest, that had better be his match pic.
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Anal Storage | Posted 5/10/2006 5:20:26 AM | message detail
He better have a naked cameo in MGS4.

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Who Cares? | Posted 5/10/2006 8:13:40 AM | message detail
Hmm, wonder if and when Ceej will put the nominations link on the front page.
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Anal Storage | Posted 5/10/2006 8:14:49 AM | message detail
Hopefully not!

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/10/2006 9:13:30 AM | message detail
He will eventually. I just think he puts more stock into our noms.

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consolefreak | Posted 5/10/2006 9:24:52 AM | message detail
Actually you know, console's been pretty cool of late. My apologies. But you're nuts you think I'm leaving Tai on that list.

Err, ok I guess..

Though I don't see why anyone should be excluded. One needs to fit a sort of profile now? It's an online, message board contest, for crying out loud. Get over yourself man.

Also, if you're not running this thing, why are you calling all the shots?

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Anal Storage | Posted 5/10/2006 9:25:49 AM | message detail
He does run the thing.

And he doesn't want trolls in, which is why Tai is being left out, I agree that you should be in it.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/10/2006 9:32:05 AM | message detail
About how long was it before we got a bracket last Spring once nominations closed?
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Yesmar | Posted 5/10/2006 9:33:41 AM | message detail
I don't see what's the harm in letting someone in even if they're a troll. The worst they can do to disrupt the contest is not change their sigs.
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transience | Posted 5/10/2006 9:34:56 AM | message detail
you're better off leaving the signup list as is until signups are closed - that way we don't have to endure three weeks of fighting in here over who is and isn't on the list.
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Anal Storage | Posted 5/10/2006 9:36:08 AM | message detail
3 days maybe?

That's what I recall anyway, I don't really know for sure.

By the way tranny, YOU'RE OUT.

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transience | Posted 5/10/2006 9:37:47 AM | message detail
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Anal Storage | Posted 5/10/2006 9:38:22 AM | message detail
Um throw a bat in my face plz.

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consolefreak | Posted 5/10/2006 10:10:14 AM | message detail
He does run the thing.

Right. It's just that someone said Ngamer was running it. Meh, I don't really know anything about the guru contest, much less anything about this 'Tai' fellow. Perhaps I'm not one to argue, but just the principle of not allowing someone in seems a bit stupid and elitist to me.

Either way, the one who runs the contest gets to call the shots, of course.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/10/2006 10:14:58 AM | message detail
I don't really know anything about the guru contest

Everyone submits a bracket, whoever has the best score goes in everyone else's sig. This year, there's an added stipulation of the winner's nomination of choice getting thrown ono everyone else's list for the summer. It all goes by the honor system, but people are generally pretty cool with it.

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Anal Storage | Posted 5/10/2006 10:16:51 AM | message detail
It's basically a combo of Ulti and N.

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consolefreak | Posted 5/10/2006 10:19:29 AM | message detail
Everyone submits a bracket, whoever has the best score goes in everyone else's sig. This year, there's an added stipulation of the winner's nomination of choice getting thrown ono everyone else's list for the summer. It all goes by the honor system, but people are generally pretty cool with it.

Ah yes. It had to be either that or the thing were you predict the actual percentages. Well, sounds good. Especially the nomination deal.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/10/2006 11:24:31 AM | message detail
Wow, Nintendo is destroying the other two in today's poll.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 5/10/2006 11:39:02 AM | message detail
Which company did you think had the best E3 press conference?
Microsoft 12.42% 3655
Nintendo 49.68% 14621
Sony 26.49% 7795
It's too close to call 11.41% 3359

TOTAL VOTES 29430

Sony owned E3, did they, HM? A large majority of the GameFAQs user base would like a word with you.

As I predicted last topic, yesterday was the start of the swing that's going to put Zelda on top a month from now and keep Link on top later this year.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/10/2006 12:06:24 PM | message detail
I do believe I said Square and not Sony. If you think it is the least bit shocking that Nintendo is winning today's poll like they are, you have not kept up. I enjoyed the Sony press conference, but Nintendo's was easily the most entertaining of the bunch. Microsoft's was quite good, but Lord knows the bias against the company here at GameFAQs.

If there is a poll showing Final Fantasy XIII, I fully expect it to dominate, even if Zelda or other Nintendo titles appear in the poll. This is not indicative of anything contest related in the slightest. You'd be a fool to believe it is.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/10/2006 12:06:31 PM | message detail
As I predicted last topic, yesterday was the start of the swing that's going to put Zelda on top a month from now and keep Link on top later this year.

...I don't see why, what with Square dishing out all sorts of goodness. I voted for Nintendo because it was obvious that they DID have the most impressive conference. I don't think it would be quite as dominant of a performance if Square was an option.
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creativename | Posted 5/10/2006 12:24:18 PM | message detail
Sony owned E3, did they, HM? A large majority of the GameFAQs user base would like a word with you.

Honestly, there could've been no press conferences at all and the results likely would've been the same. Voting is just mainly going to go by "I like Sony/Nintendo/XBox", and the actual focus of the question is largely irrelevant.

And of course, Nintendo is favored around here.

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voltch | Posted 5/10/2006 12:48:15 PM | message detail
this site is still pretty much against microsoft consoles.

Halo3 did jack for it.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/10/2006 12:50:18 PM | message detail
I heard the Halo 3 trailer wasn't that impressive though.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 5/10/2006 1:00:41 PM | message detail
Maybe it was just the music, but I thought it was pretty cool.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 5/10/2006 1:33:11 PM | message detail
To update 1UP.com's and GameSpot's Top 10 "Most Popular" right now ...

1UP.com's Top 10
1.) Dead or Alive Xtreme 2
2.) Final Fantasy XIII
3.) Final Fantasy versus XIII
4.) Final Fantasy VII : Crisis Core
5.) Final Fantasy III DS
6.) Halo 3
7.) The Legend of Zelda : Twilight Princess
8.) Gran Turismo HD
9.) Metal Gear Solid 4
10.) Heavenly Sword

GameSpot's Top 10
1.) Halo 3
2.) Sonic the Hedgehog
3.) Gears of War
4.) Metal Gear Solid 4
5.) World of Warcraft : Burning Crusade
6.) Final Fantasy XIII
7.) Final Fantasy III DS
8.) Heavenly Sword
9.) Final Fantasy XII
10.) The Legend of Zelda : Twilight Princess

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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/10/2006 1:35:05 PM | message detail
10.) The Legend of Zelda : Twilight Princess

Oh noes! What about the Zelda shift now?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Yes, I know it's GameSpot and not here, but whatever.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/10/2006 1:44:40 PM | message detail
Honestly, there could've been no press conferences at all and the results likely would've been the same. Voting is just mainly going to go by "I like Sony/Nintendo/XBox", and the actual focus of the question is largely irrelevant.

I don't buy that. Take a look at these to polls, taken days apart:

May 1st:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2363

Do you plan to buy a PlayStation 3?
Yes, I've already pre-ordered one 1.51% 1209
Yes, I'll definitely get one 31.32% 25038
Probably, if it's priced right 26.47% 21165
Maybe, I need to play one first 9.43% 7541
Probably not, it sounds too expensive 12.78% 10217
No, I'll be happy with a PC/360/Wii 18.49% 14779
TOTAL VOTES 79949

May 8th:
Now that you've seen the details, what do you think of the PlayStation 3?
I've already got mine pre-ordered! 4.05% 2754
Looks good, I'll probably get one 28.24% 19186
I'm interested, but need to see more games 11.47% 7792
It's just too expensive 24.83% 16872
Hah! They had to copy Nintendo! 31.41% 21345
TOTAL VOTES 67949

Yes/Probably I - 59.3%
Yes/Probably II - 32.29%

Interested/Maybe I - 9.43%
Interested/Maybe II - 11.47%

Probably Not/Don't Want I - 31.27%
Probably Not/Don't Want II - 24.83%
Copy Nintendo II - 31.41%

There's an obvious backlash against the PS3, and this is even before the price is very common knowledge, judging by the older polls where about 1% of the site said they'd pay $600 for a PS3. The thing that kind of screws things up is the Copy Nintendo response, but I'm guessing that's mostly a negative response. I know it was for me, anyway. In any case, interest in the PS3 dropped by nearly a half in eight days, which doesn't bode terribly well for Sony.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/10/2006 1:45:25 PM | message detail
Oh, and I forgot the URL of the second poll, so if you don't want to take my word for it you can find it here:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2371
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/10/2006 1:47:26 PM | message detail
Why in the world are we talking about Sony like they have had a major presence in contests before? Sony being viewed as poorly has no bearing on how well received Square has been at E3 so far.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/10/2006 1:48:29 PM | message detail
When did I mention Square?
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/10/2006 1:51:42 PM | message detail
The subject came up that Nintendo is dominating this poll so the boost for Zelda in both contests is to be expected. That was taken from Ngamer who thought I said Sony has rocked E3, when I actually said Square. Why a discussion is breaking out between how good or bad Nintendo and Sony did doesn't make much sense to me, really. This is not unexpected, shocking, or even fortelling of what will happen in the contest. A hit to Sony does not really affect anything on GamFAQs in relation to contests because their entries have consisted of Jak, Ratchet, and Kratos.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/10/2006 1:58:25 PM | message detail
I was merely commenting on what a terrible job Sony did, and how badly they're screwing up the PS3 as reflected by the GameFAQs populace. You can probably draw a correlation between how Sony is perceived and how strong Square is, but I have no idea how strong a relationship that would be.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/10/2006 2:05:16 PM | message detail
Sony is not "screwing up" nearly as badly as some people like to believe. The only thing that was even remotely negative about what they have shown off so far was the price point of the PlayStation 3, which is indeed quite expensive, but by no means a killer to the industry leader.

And regardless of how Sony is viewed, it does not stop Final Fantasy XIII and Metal Gear Solid 4 from being two of the biggest games at the show so far. Hell, nothing Nintendo has even mentioned has surpassed those two. What you have here is people reacting negatively right when they hear negative news. They do not think ahead or figure the games that might interest them on the system at the exact time something like a $600 console is announced.

I think there will be far less "hatred" and negativity as we get closer to the PS3 launch and further away from this announcement of the price. Even with its high price, it is not going to kill the system. No one, even after hearing the price, is expecting Sony to lose its position as the industry leader. There are plenty of ways that Sony will be able to market that to the consumer to make it seem justified -- and it really actually is given the technology in it. The PlayStation brand is also held in such high regard that it is not going to instantly be looked down upon in the flash of a price announcement. And, ultimately, it is about the games on the system. If they do in fact meet that 2 million shipment, I would be willing to bet they sell out fast.

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Kaxon | Posted 5/10/2006 2:30:48 PM | message detail
No one, even after hearing the price, is expecting Sony to lose its position as the industry leader.

I am. I'm sure they can sell out their initial shipment at $600, but if the price stays there after the holidays, sales are going to drop like a rock. Remember the Neo Geo? Everyone I knew thought they were awesome, but no one could afford one. If Sony doesn't lower their price quickly, they're going to lose a ton of marketshare. I think they're going to need to lower their price after Christmas if they want the system to keep selling.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/10/2006 2:31:30 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2339

Nobody is going to buy a console for $600. That's just common sense.
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RPGGamer0 | Posted 5/10/2006 2:38:50 PM | message detail
1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Team Rocket Elite
3 - Ngamer64
4 - yoblazer33
5 - transience
6 - Heroic Mario
7 - Viviff
8 - silverkiller
9 - Undeniable
10 - Kaxon
11 - Applekidjosh
12 - HaRRicH
13 - Lopen
14 - Z1mZum
15 - Chinballz
16 - A World's Envy
17 - Zylothewolf
18 - greatone
19 - cavedog0
20 - DomaDragoon
21 - Big Bob
22 - Ed Bellis
23 - expaniol
24 - Buzzup
25 - Radix
26 - RPGuy96
27 - Dethwing
28 - soiledtrousers
29 - consolefreak
30 - SephirothG
31 - ExquisiteSamurai
32 - Dark115
33 - NewLib
34 - Draco1214
35 - jonthomson
36 - MegatokyoEd
37 - Voltch
38 - Lucid Faia
39 - Master Moltar
40 - KleenexTissue50
41 - red sox 777
42 - Mithrandir1331
43 - arkenaga
44 - Tai
45 - Mario Superstar
46 - neonreaper
47 - XxSoulxX
48 - SonicRaptor
49 - ChichiriMuyo
50 - OMG its Pale!
51 - dragoontheguy
52 - XIII is cool
53 - Shivan Reincarnated
54 - outback
55 - DarkLink89
56 - dethfdddddh
57 - Ayvuir
58 - Janus5000
59 - War13104
60 - andaca
61 - swirldude
62 - Explicit Content
63 - Meche313
64 - HeroicVivi
65 - FastFalcon05
66 - Tnote
67 - Yesmar
68 - Mac Arrowny
69 - MasterMage119
70 - King Morgoth
71 - Aprosenf
72 - Phediuk
73 - charmander6000
74 - Rufus Shinra 18
75 - Mister Mario
76 - Luis Sera89
77 - longbladeofhiko
78 - shadow8021
79 - Lieutenant Kettch
80 - RPGGamer0

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/10/2006 2:43:10 PM | message detail
I want you to bring me that poll at the end of November.

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swirIdude | Posted 5/10/2006 2:51:57 PM | message detail
That's like saying the NCAAs don't belong to Guy because swirldude helps with the work.

It's a co-commissioner thing really. Although Guy has used his superior knowledge of programming to get an RPI and vote counting program and leave me to do less. I've also been much busier the last couple of weeks. And the contest was originally my idea, I just asked him to join up because I couldnt figure the RPI for the life of me.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/10/2006 3:31:00 PM | message detail
If 5% are willing to spend $600+, that's 5 million sales right there. The issue is not how well the PS3 will sell in the first few months, it's how well it well sell in 2008 and beyond. The PSP was doing phenomenally for the first few months, and now it's falling behind the DS at an ever-increasing rate. The X360 is the fastest-selling console ever, but does anyone really think it'll outsell the PS2?

And you mention that FFXIII and MGS4 are far more impressive than anything on the Wii...just like Super Mario 64 was far more impressive than anything in the Playstation's first 2 years, and how it managed to have the best-selling game for each of its first three years, and was still tripled in sales by the PS1.
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dethfdddddh | Posted 5/10/2006 4:36:01 PM | message detail
......Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball 2?

Wow at 1up.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/10/2006 4:57:54 PM | message detail
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who saw that, heh.
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Anal Storage | Posted 5/10/2006 6:01:01 PM | message detail
Honestly, there could've been no press conferences at all and the results likely would've been the same. Voting is just mainly going to go by "I like Sony/Nintendo/XBox", and the actual focus of the question is largely irrelevant.

And you show you have no idea what you're talking about, there was just a poll the other day about what people wanted between the three consoles, and Sony was a clear favorite, Nintendo just simply owned E3 compared to the other major companies.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/10/2006 6:39:43 PM | message detail
If 5% are willing to spend $600+, that's 5 million sales right there. The issue is not how well the PS3 will sell in the first few months, it's how well it well sell in 2008 and beyond.

I do not see how someone could project it selling extremely well in its first couple of years and then suddenly dropping off the map in the next. By the time 2008 rolls around, Sony will likely have dropped the price -- the main problem that people seem to have with the PS3 -- and would have gotten an extensive gaming library.

The difference between the PSP/DS and PS3/Wii is the fact that the PSP suffers greatly from big software to support the system. It relies on its multimedia functions over its actual gaming software. The DS, on the other hand, is constantly getting new gaming software that is selling really well. It is already clear that the PS3 is not going to suffer from third party support.

The PSP was doing phenomenally for the first few months, and now it's falling behind the DS at an ever-increasing rate. The X360 is the fastest-selling console ever, but does anyone really think it'll outsell the PS2?

Almost everything new these days is the "fastest selling console ever," so it is really not a big title. But the PSP, while definitely behind the DS, is not doing terribly for itself. For Sony's first venture into a market where Nintendo dominated, they did rather well. It outsells the DS by about 20,000 units per month in America and is putting up a solid fight in other territories.

And you mention that FFXIII and MGS4 are far more impressive than anything on the Wii...just like Super Mario 64 was far more impressive than anything in the Playstation's first 2 years, and how it managed to have the best-selling game for each of its first three years, and was still tripled in sales by the PS1.

That is just two very popular, very impressive PS3 titles thus far. Those are not the extent of the PS3's lineup. The gaming library, again, is likely to be huge by 2008. It is getting Grand Theft Auto in October 2007, so there is no doubt in my mind it will be a huge seller even at that time. A price drop is almost guaranteed by that time too.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/10/2006 6:57:57 PM | message detail
With the big successes of Sonic and Solid Snake at E3 (and with it finally looking like Sega got the 3-D Sonic formula RIGHT), is it possible that they will climb out of the basement of the Noble Nine in 2007? Sonic doesn't need much help to overtake Mega Man, but would it be enough to overtake, say, Crono?

Solid Snake would need a little more help, but could he climb out of the #9 spot? It might at least be enough to avoid being the one who shatters the Noble Nine.
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greatone10 | Posted 5/10/2006 7:00:05 PM | message detail
It would be so weird to see Mega at the bottom of the Noble 9.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/10/2006 7:01:22 PM | message detail
Uhh...Speaking of the "little more help" that Snake would need...

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707504p1.html

I will die if this is true.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/10/2006 7:07:28 PM | message detail
Holy ****...






...holy ****! That would rule beyond belief. Give us Mega Man too (he's close enough to Nintendo), and that will be a legendary game.
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