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Adept of Aiur | Posted 5/12/2006 2:27:07 PM | message detail
I assume you're not counting Clinkeroth.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/12/2006 2:29:16 PM | message detail
Well, he'll be #6 at the least.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Anal Storage | Posted 5/12/2006 2:29:34 PM | message detail
I doubt it, but even if Snake ends up going 1% people will be saying it's what contributed to it, which I don't buy, a 1% fluctuation from year to year is perfectly in the realm of possibility.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/12/2006 2:30:23 PM | message detail
Going up 1% won't be a big deal, if that's the case. Nobody will say much about it one way or the other.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
trannyscience | Posted 5/12/2006 2:30:36 PM | message detail
this is all for 2008, right? that's a bit far off.
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Mister Mario | Posted 5/12/2006 2:30:49 PM | message detail
When do we maek bracket?

I want to maek.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/12/2006 2:30:52 PM | message detail
I assume you're not counting Clinkeroth.

You assume incorrectly.

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voltch | Posted 5/12/2006 2:31:20 PM | message detail
what if he goes up by 5-6% in the next two years?
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/12/2006 2:31:42 PM | message detail
this is all for 2008, right? that's a bit far off.

Not if these games (SSBB and MGS4) release in early 2007.

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Anal Storage | Posted 5/12/2006 2:31:47 PM | message detail
Err... that was in regards to Leon's post about him boosting this year.

And I kind of forgot about Subsistence, but even then I don't think it'll do much as it's just MGS3 + online. Sure you have the older games in there too, but meh.

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 5/12/2006 2:31:59 PM | message detail
Snake can be in Super Smash Bros. and MGSes all he wants, he'll never beat Mario. Especially after NSMB and Super Mario Galaxy.
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trannyscience | Posted 5/12/2006 2:32:26 PM | message detail
you think they're going to launch that soon? MGS4 might come out in the summer, but I thought SSBB was coming out near the end of 2007?
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Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 5/12/2006 2:32:35 PM | message detail
I see post-SSBB Snake surpassing Sonic, MM, and Crono. ....But I'd take any other member of the N9 over him.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/12/2006 2:32:47 PM | message detail
MGS3 + Online was a pretty big deal though, but probably not to anybody who wasn't already a MGS fan.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Adept of Aiur | Posted 5/12/2006 2:33:04 PM | message detail
you think they're going to launch that soon? MGS4 might come out in the summer, but I thought SSBB was coming out near the end of 2007?

All we know is that SSBB has a 2007 release date. No quarter or anything.
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voltch | Posted 5/12/2006 2:33:14 PM | message detail
will AC be enough for cloud to top link this year?

it's Dvd sales are still quite high despite the leak.
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trannyscience | Posted 5/12/2006 2:33:17 PM | message detail
I think the real question is if seeing Snake in the trailer will change a single thing. as far as 2006 goes, Snake hasn't really had anything besides Subsistence.
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Anal Storage | Posted 5/12/2006 2:34:13 PM | message detail
Yeah tranny, 2007 not 2008. Anyway, I think Snake will be able to be #6 when all of this is said and done. I'm confident Mario and Samus will still be able to beat him, I'll say he has an outside shot at Samus however, which is odd, because I think Samus would beat Crono harder than Mario ever has.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/12/2006 2:34:14 PM | message detail
I think the real question is if seeing Snake in the trailer will change a single thing.

Well, there are still some who think a single trailer in 2004 propelled Link to victory.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
voltch | Posted 5/12/2006 2:35:05 PM | message detail
but hey. at least snake get's a boost from people who love online games. even if it is only maybe an extra 1500 votes max.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/12/2006 2:36:04 PM | message detail
Snake can be in Super Smash Bros. and MGSes all he wants, he'll never beat Mario. Especially after NSMB and Super Mario Galaxy.

I happen to think the former two will end up being more benefical to Snake over SMG and NSMB will to Mario.

you think they're going to launch that soon? MGS4 might come out in the summer, but I thought SSBB was coming out near the end of 2007?

I'm pretty confident in Metal Gear Solid 4 releasing that soon at the least. Nintendo just commented that SSBB has been moved back to 2007 from its launch title status. I could see both of them hitting the stores in early 2007 - Summer 2007.

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HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2006 2:37:33 PM | message detail
Mage beat me to it about Mario's upcoming games. MP3 is supposed to be a launch game too, correct?

Assuming MGS4 and SSBB are out by the 2007 contest, I don't see Solid Snake getting above 6th. He'll sure as hell look better than ever though.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 5/12/2006 2:38:13 PM | message detail

I happen to think the former two will end up being more benefical to Snake over SMG and NSMB will to Mario.

I happen to think you're wrong. Snake has been getting releases pretty consistently over the past couple of years, and yes, they DO sway middle of the road, "I like both" voters, but SMG + NSMB = Mario revival. If Advent Children and KHII hadn't come out this year, I'd take Mario over Sephiroth in 2007. As it stands, he will be the unquestioned 4th best in 2007, and might give Sephy a run for his money.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2006 2:38:53 PM | message detail
MGS4 should be due on 7/7/7, what with the 20th anniversary and all. That'd be GREAT timing for a summer contest.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 5/12/2006 2:39:00 PM | message detail
Mage beat me to it about Mario's upcoming games.

I'm glad to see you agree with me. I'm not so glad to see that my whole attempt to get my old name forgotten hasn't gone so smoothly. >>;
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/12/2006 2:39:49 PM | message detail
Adept of Aiur doesn't flow as smoothly as MasterMage.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Adept of Aiur | Posted 5/12/2006 2:39:50 PM | message detail
MGS4 should be due on 7/7/7, what with the 20th anniversary and all. That'd be GREAT timing for a summer contest.

Well, at Ceej's current rate, Summer Contest 2007 should start somewhere in February, 2008.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2006 2:43:58 PM | message detail
I think Solid is getting the better deal here...though one shouldn't forget Mario is also in SSBB, heh. More importantly, when both of them have such great deals, you could also consider Solid Snake getting 42.79% last year against Mario. MGS3:S should boost him just a lil' bit this year and Mario should gain more from NSMB this year than Solid...but then in 2007, it's SSBB-newcomer/MGS4 VS SSBB-staple/SMG. I think Solid has the better deal between 2k6 and 2k7, but considering the gap between the two every year including their head-to-head match last year, I don't think Solid Snake can overcome that when Mario's countering big-time.
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Heroic Viktor | Posted 5/12/2006 2:44:00 PM | message detail
This contest sure is dragging.... let's see some brackets already!

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/12/2006 2:45:55 PM | message detail
I hope you didn't mention MP3 in a way to say that Samus is still going to beat Snake ...


I happen to think you're wrong. Snake has been getting releases pretty consistently over the past couple of years,

Metal Gear Solid 3 and ... ? Solid Snake has not gotten anything in years. There have been Metal Gear Solid games that have released that have come out, and they certainly have helped him, but Metal Gear Solid 4 is him returning to the lead role. And you would have to be kidding me to think Mario has not gotten

and yes, they DO sway middle of the road, "I like both" voters, but SMG + NSMB = Mario revival.

Mario revival my ass. That is ridiculous.

If Advent Children and KHII hadn't come out this year, I'd take Mario over Sephiroth in 2007. As it stands, he will be the unquestioned 4th best in 2007, and might give Sephy a run for his money.

I will bet he isn't the unquestioned "4th best," because that is where Snake will be, in 2007 and that he won't give Sephiroth a run for his money. I'd be quite confident in it all, too.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/12/2006 2:47:20 PM | message detail
Well, you COULD count the Metal Gear Ac!d games, but...How well have those sold? I don't even know.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
RPGuy96 | Posted 5/12/2006 2:52:15 PM | message detail
Mario is getting not one, but two new Mario platformers between now and next year. The last Mario platformer released was in 2k2, and Mario beat Cloud with it behind him. Snake's not making up an 8% gap when Mario's getting his first console platformer in (what will be) 5 years.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/12/2006 2:53:12 PM | message detail
Assuming that Mario gets SMG by SC2k7, anyway. Which is a fair assumption considering it was promised within six months of launch.
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trannyscience | Posted 5/12/2006 2:54:34 PM | message detail
ahhh, speculation. I always assume that these huge games are coming out significantly later than announced - remember how TP was going to help Link in 2k6?
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Kaxon | Posted 5/12/2006 2:56:51 PM | message detail
Snake can be in Super Smash Bros. and MGSes all he wants, he'll never beat Mario. Especially after NSMB and Super Mario Galaxy.

Never say never...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=997
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1767
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2006 2:56:54 PM | message detail
Hell, I remember when it was going to help him in 2k5.
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trannyscience | Posted 5/12/2006 2:57:30 PM | message detail
TP hype! Advent Children leak!

I just summarized an entire month of the stats topic.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/12/2006 2:57:45 PM | message detail
Well, you COULD count the Metal Gear Ac!d games, but...How well have those sold? I don't even know.

Let's say that they're not exactly system sellers -- we're talking 200,000 like numbers in America.

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Anal Storage | Posted 5/12/2006 3:00:29 PM | message detail
Why do so many people think Crono is out of reach for Snake? In 2007, Snake > Crono book it.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/12/2006 3:01:24 PM | message detail
Anyone thinking otherwise is ... well, just not thinking correctly.

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dethfdddddh | Posted 5/12/2006 3:02:17 PM | message detail
Crono seems destined to become the basement of the Noble nine much earlier than I expected.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/12/2006 3:02:33 PM | message detail
If CT got VC'd, that'd probably help Crono at least a little.

BUT NONE OF THIS IS HAPPENING FOR ANOTHER YEAR ANYWAY !!
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/12/2006 3:03:09 PM | message detail
Well, it was bound to happen eventually because it doesn't look like Crono's going to get another game for a long, long time, if ever. At best, he can hope for an eventual Chrono Trigger remake.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
ExquisiteSamurai | Posted 5/12/2006 3:03:47 PM | message detail
Unless of course Square makes Chrono Break

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RedNikiVxnSmurf | Posted 5/12/2006 3:03:49 PM | message detail
Solid Snake = Most overrated character of SC2k6
Book It.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/12/2006 3:04:33 PM | message detail
Well, what are the odds that Crono will be in Chrono Break, should it be made?

More than just a cameo, I mean.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Anal Storage | Posted 5/12/2006 3:05:01 PM | message detail
I'm not calling for MM > Crono just yet, Sonic either. I'm holding out my judgement on Sonic for how well/good his new games do/are. And unless they really do revitalize the series I'll be taking Crono over the two, but I truly believe you're foolish if you don't think Sonic could take Crono in SC2K7, that is, if both MGS4 and more importantly, SSB:B are released.

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Anal Storage | Posted 5/12/2006 3:05:23 PM | message detail
And I -KNOW- people aren't bringing 2k2 into the discussion.

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HaRRicH | Posted 5/12/2006 3:05:29 PM | message detail
Too bad Operation Shadow isn't a series.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/12/2006 3:05:44 PM | message detail
Solid Snake for SC2K7 Champ!
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden