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Yesmar | Posted 5/2/2006 1:33:41 PM | message detail
Contest Wise:

Ganondorf >= Bowser > Vincent > Squall >= Sora
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/2/2006 2:58:12 PM | message detail
Ganondorf >= Snake > Bowser > Vincent > Squall >= Sora

Maybe?

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Big Bob | Posted 5/2/2006 4:28:29 PM | message detail
I may sound crazy, but I'm starting to think Sephiroth > Link...

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Unlike in the first KH, Sephiroth actually shows up in a few cutscenes throughout the game, and near the end in Jiminy's journal "Meet Sephiroth again" is listed as a mission. When you do fight him, it is simply AWESOME. I spent a good half hour just taking four health bars off him, and I had a blast doing it. He's seriously cooler in my eyes, and I can definitely see him beating Link. Link...really doesn't have any plans until SC2K6, and though he has e3, that might not help him enough.
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trannyscience | Posted 5/2/2006 4:29:11 PM | message detail
I'd have a hard enough time believing Cloud > Link, let alone Sephiroth.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/2/2006 5:10:24 PM | message detail
Ganondorf >= Snake > Bowser > Vincent > Squall >= Sora

Maybe?


The day Ganondorf beats Solid Snake is the day I leave here and never return.
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SephirothG | Posted 5/2/2006 5:11:19 PM | message detail
This is being archived, dude. >_>
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/2/2006 5:13:26 PM | message detail
I know. I'm being serious.
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SephirothG | Posted 5/2/2006 5:24:54 PM | message detail
I'll hold you to it.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 5/2/2006 5:45:00 PM | message detail
Ganondorf will never beat Solid Snake. The Noble Nine: Don't **** With It.
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SephirothG | Posted 5/2/2006 5:56:03 PM | message detail
Oh, my bad. I read that as "if Ganon beats Squall..." Yes, the NN will never die.

Carry on...
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Lopen | Posted 5/2/2006 6:02:54 PM | message detail
Pfft. Solid Snake > Solid **** > Bowser > Ganondorf. Solid Snake's in no danger. Bank on that.

I... I... felt like it had been too long!
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Big Bob | Posted 5/2/2006 6:13:55 PM | message detail
What would Sora have gotten on Snake if it had been the sprite round? Solid **** vs. CoM Sora?
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/2/2006 6:35:28 PM | message detail
Just to throw it out there, Kingdom Hearts II has sold over one million copies in North America.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/2/2006 9:04:39 PM | message detail
Cool.

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consolefreak | Posted 5/3/2006 3:54:36 AM | message detail
Just to throw it out there, Kingdom Hearts II has sold over one million copies in North America.

Didn't it sell 600,000 units in its first month? Have the NPD numbers for April been released already?
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consolefreak | Posted 5/3/2006 4:10:48 AM | message detail
Never mind I read it on gamespot. What I found particularly interesting was (I read that on gametrailers.com, though, which may not be all that credible on that matter) this:

"Kingdom Hearts II has sold through one million units in just one-third the time of that of the original
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/3/2006 12:03:15 PM | message detail
Didn't it sell 600,000 units in its first month? Have the NPD numbers for April been released already?

Not yet. This was from a Square Enix press release ...

http://www.square-enix.com/na/company/press/2006/0502/

And that basically goes on to say that it sold over a million in four weeks. For the record, I believe Kingdom Hearts sold 1.4 million by the time the contest had gotten underway in 2003.

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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 5/3/2006 12:09:51 PM | message detail
I can't imagine KH2 outselling the original by much in the end, though. Seems logical that people would pick it up earlier if they didn't know how good it was then but do now.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 5/3/2006 12:11:52 PM | message detail
So to sum up:

Sora will likely become a top 15 character, if not on the VV/Ganon level yet.
Ganon hype MAY push him over Solid Snake if Solid **** becomes involved.
Again, NSMB may push Bowser just above Snake if Solid **** is involved.
DoC will help Vince, and might make him a contender...again, providing solid **** is involved.
Squall will boost. KH2, Solid ****, blah blah blah.

So to sum up the summing up:

DON'T GIVE HIM SOLID ****, CJAY!!
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XIII_rocks | Posted 5/3/2006 12:12:48 PM | message detail
Oh, and Snake beats Ganon/Bowser/VV without Solid **** and even with NSMB/TP/DoC.

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yoblazer33 | Posted 5/3/2006 12:14:31 PM | message detail
Ganon hype MAY push him over Solid Snake if Solid **** becomes involved.

No chance. People fail to realize that if Snake gets cursed with Solid ****, Ganondorf also has to deal with his Pig/Bacon picture.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 5/3/2006 12:16:43 PM | message detail
No chance. People fail to realize that if Snake gets cursed with Solid ****, Ganondorf also has to deal with his Pig/Bacon picture.

I'm pretty sure Cjay can find a suitable Ganon sprite.

Hell, when I mde match pictures for a board contest I ran a while ago I found TIFA sprites in about 3 minutes. And a non-****, cartoony set of Snake sprites.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/3/2006 12:19:25 PM | message detail
DoC will help Vince, and might make him a contender...again, providing solid **** is involved.
Squall will boost. KH2, Solid ****, blah blah blah.


I do not believe this two require "Solid ****" to be involved in order to win a match against Solid Snake. Dirge of Cerberus has Vincent as the main character, which should prove huge for him, and Squall has the largest, and a very cool, role in Kingdom Hearts II of any Final Fantasy character. That combined with the fact that they are within two percent of him, I believe, should allow for one to justify an upset pick if Solid Snake runs into those two.

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therealmnm | Posted 5/3/2006 12:22:44 PM | message detail
Even if KH sells by crazy amounts, it doesn't mean Sora becomes Top 15 calibur. People may like Sora MORE, but it doesn't mean that they'll put him above perennial favorites.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/3/2006 12:24:53 PM | message detail
Top 15 is actually right around the area I would predict for Sora to be this upcoming year.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/3/2006 12:58:49 PM | message detail
Didn't KH1 sell 4 million copies in a year? How did it only sell 1.4 by the time of Summer 2003, then explode into 4 million over the next 3-4 months?

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/3/2006 1:00:53 PM | message detail
Kingdom Hearts sold 2.6 million in its lifetime in America -- September 2002-to-date. The 4 million number you speak of was worldwide and that was obtained only a couple of years ago.

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HaRRicH | Posted 5/3/2006 1:17:51 PM | message detail
People fail to realize that if Snake gets cursed with Solid ****, Ganondorf also has to deal with his Pig/Bacon picture.

People fail to realize Metal Gear is no LoZ:LttP here.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/3/2006 3:43:31 PM | message detail
Heh. I just noticed that Final Fantasy VII finally hit the Top 5 in the Top 50 FAQs.

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yoblazer33 | Posted 5/3/2006 3:48:10 PM | message detail
People fail to realize Metal Gear is no LoZ:LttP here.

I don't understand...
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therealmnm | Posted 5/3/2006 3:53:18 PM | message detail
People fail to realize Metal Gear is no LoZ:LttP here.

I'm guessing he's talking about the origins of the sprites. I don't really get the point though. I mean sure, LttP (Pig Ganon sprite origin) is held dearer to his fans than Metal Gear is to Solid Snake fans. But I don't think it makes people go "Hey, it's Snake from the original Metal Gear game! Well, I don't really care for the original, but I loved LttP so I'll vote for Ganon now!". I think that's the point he was trying to make... Or it could have just been a slick comment with no meaning!
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SephirothG | Posted 5/3/2006 3:54:21 PM | message detail
...or maybe LttP >>>>>> Metal Gear in terms of game popularity?
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/3/2006 3:57:15 PM | message detail
Even with the worst sprite imaginable, Solid Snake would not lose to Ganon in a sprite round. It is not like Ganon is significantly cooler looking in his pictures at all. Then you have the fact that in no way is Ganon going to be stronger than Solid Snake before Twilight Princess.

In conclusion, someone with "XIII" in their name need not bring up Ganon hype that leads to one Harrich saying things that need to be deciphered!!

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HaRRicH | Posted 5/3/2006 4:56:56 PM | message detail
My point is that practically any form of Ganon -- especially one from LoZ:LttP, whether it's a well-liked pic or not -- is infinitely more recognizable than Solid Snake from his MG games.


In conclusion, someone with "XIII" in their name need not bring up Ganon hype that leads to one Harrich saying things that need to be deciphered!!

I concur, heh.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 5/4/2006 5:49:09 AM | message detail
But you have forgotten that Solid Snake sprites have become more recognizable due to the re-release of Metal Gear 1 and 2 with MGS3: Subsistence!
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/4/2006 6:45:40 AM | message detail
While true, I still maintain his sprite is much less recognizable than Ganon's sprite.
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Applause Sign | Posted 5/4/2006 6:53:51 AM | message detail
Am I the only one who dislikes the new "fixed" camera in MGS3: Subsistence? It feels so un-metal gearie

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Applause Sign | Posted 5/4/2006 6:56:33 AM | message detail
And by fixed I mean improved, not fixed as in not mobile.

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therealmnm | Posted 5/4/2006 8:16:59 AM | message detail
I actually love it... I wasn't so entrenched in the Metal Gear Solid series where I couldn't accept a nice change like that. Plus, it's my first playthrough of MGS3, so I hardly notice it. I'm not a Metal Gear Solid purist anyways.... Compared to other people, I probably suck.

Just beat The End yesterday. I took a long hiatus from the game right before him to tackle Kingdom Hearts 2 and a big chunk of GTA:SA. I was kinda nervous due to everything I heard about him, about how it was a long and tedious battle. But it wasn't that bad.

I took on The Ladder too. Now that was a grueling battle...
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/4/2006 8:32:52 AM | message detail
You can switch between the new and old cameras on the fly. More is better, as they say
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Lopen | Posted 5/4/2006 10:21:11 AM | message detail
Alright... Kirby > Samus. Total suicide? Or maybe a "Kirby did better than expected maybe you weren't a total moron" 45-55% match? Or possible rSFF Kirby win situation?

I mean what was Samus expected to get against Mario? 55% or something? She didn't seem to move SFF Ganondorf "king of getting SFFed" much (yeah Samus isn't from the same series but there's no doubt Nintendo SFF happens). I know Kirby isn't Mario by any means, but doesn't anyone else see this as an off shot?

(...maybe I should be trying to convince people of Kirby > Ganondorf first)

How about Kirby > Ganondorf? Yo? ... yo?
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Janus5000 | Posted 5/4/2006 10:31:44 AM | message detail
Kirby > Samus is tempting... but no.

I wouldn't feel much better about Kirby > Ganondorf either.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/4/2006 10:41:41 AM | message detail
I don't think Kirby rSFF'd Bowser much to begin with, and I base my theory of rSFF off of the SSB/M series were Bowser is an embarrassment. Samus and Ganon are not the same kind of embarrassment, and Samus was in both SSB and SSBM. Furthermore, sure, there's Nintendo SFF...but where has it been seen that went against LoZ and done by somebody/something not related to LoZ? The two best cases you could make -- SMB3/LoZ and Samus/Ganon -- still had them both looking fine and assumed by most to be un-SFF'd. Add to it it's possible Ganon > Bowser, and Kirby would have more rSFF'ing to do with less reason to win rSFF. Add to it Samus beats Ganon 60-40, and you've got no case.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 5/4/2006 11:30:42 AM | message detail
...I didn't think Lopen was being serious, but whatever. He's had crazy notions before.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 5/4/2006 12:10:54 PM | message detail
Dear Lopen,

Please take Kirby > Samus.

Love,

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/4/2006 12:38:08 PM | message detail
Alright... Kirby > Samus.

Contest seems to be getting closer if Lopen's throwing out his wacky predictions! Heh.

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XIII_rocks | Posted 5/4/2006 12:50:08 PM | message detail
Even with the worst sprite imaginable, Solid Snake would not lose to Ganon in a sprite round. It is not like Ganon is significantly cooler looking in his pictures at all. Then you have the fact that in no way is Ganon going to be stronger than Solid Snake before Twilight Princess.

I might be really overestimating Solid **** here, but Bowser got very close to Snake last year with Solid ****. And Ganon is JUST > Bowser last time I checked. >_>
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therealmnm | Posted 5/4/2006 1:51:33 PM | message detail
I might be really overestimating Solid **** here, but Bowser got very close to Snake last year with Solid ****. And Ganon is JUST > Bowser last time I checked. >_>

But the argument is that Ganon's sprite doesn't do wonders for him either. You've got to remember all of the people here who started with OoT, and know Ganon more for his human form than his pre-OoT pig form (which is how I became familiar with him). Even if most of us know him by both, there probably are some people who will go "what is that".

Since OoT, Ganon is only known by his pig from the very last fight in OoT, and arguably Puppet Ganon. Overall, not a whole lot of screentime. Point is, sprite form probably won't help Ganon much either. With Bowser it really doesn't matter, since he's been in so many games and looks the same.
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Lopen | Posted 5/4/2006 1:54:45 PM | message detail
But Kirby > Samus is an X-Stats lock!

Er... no I wouldn't put it in a bracket unless Kirby released some ground-breaking game, and even then I'd be unsure. But I do think it has potential to be a "45-55 maybe you weren't a total moron" match.

I'm very serious about Kirby > Ganon though. I'd take it without looking back. Watch the Zelda/Nintendo bandwagoners who don't really care about Ganon flock to fellow Charismatic Nintendoer Kirby. Oh yes! But we've already gone over that plenty enough. (so I threw Samus out there) We just need a Ganon vs NotLink Nintendo SFF match to prove or disprove that, no way around it really.

Contest seems to be getting closer if Lopen's throwing out his wacky predictions! Heh.

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