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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 281
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| charmander6000 | Posted 4/19/2006 5:35:29 AM | message detail |
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You could've just used a space. --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/19/2006 5:38:37 AM | message detail |
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I thought about that, don't worry. Then passed. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Who Cares? | Posted 4/19/2006 6:11:08 AM | message detail |
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Now that I've begun playing his games, I'd love it if this is the year Sora busts out. --- HAVE YOU SEEN ME: Morrigan, Aya Brea, Strider Hiryu, Claire Redfield -- Missing since 2002. Help them return this summer! |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 4/19/2006 6:43:23 AM | message detail |
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I'd honestly consider taking Sora over Luigi, if only because Luigi
always seems to be a disappointment. >_> Plus, KH2 factor, blah
blah blah. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27224550 |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/19/2006 6:44:18 AM | message detail |
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As for Tag Teams I think the following 2k5 teams would do well Ganondorf/Yuna Zelda/Vivi Ryu/Rikku Knuckles/Magus Luigi/KOS-MOS --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/19/2006 10:06:19 AM | message detail |
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Most of those tag teams are pretty good, except Luigi/KOS. I doubt XS3's going to bring her up enough to be decent. If you want a good team with Luigi, put him together with Squall. Now that would be a team in contention for the championship. Now that I've begun playing his games, I'd love it if this is the year Sora busts out. Seriously? I was sure the only people who liked Sora were those who hadn't played his games. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 4/19/2006 10:06:55 AM | message detail |
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I'd honestly consider taking Sora over Luigi, if only because Luigi
always seems to be a disappointment. >_> Plus, KH2 factor, blah
blah blah. Luigi was a disappointment last year? --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| therealmnm | Posted 4/19/2006 10:11:34 AM | message detail |
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There's nothing wrong with Sora in Kingdom Hearts 2. Like I said
before, he's become a typical FF-like protagonist. I can see him at
least being at Tidus's strength indirectly now. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 4/19/2006 10:17:00 AM | message detail |
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Luigi disappoints when you put expectations on him. When nobody thinks he'll do anything, he overperforms. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 4/19/2006 3:17:58 PM | message detail |
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Since Sora seems to be the latest subject of conversation, I wanted to
give my own opinion on what I expect of him this year. I figure this
would widely go against the popular belief or what people might view as
"reasonable," but I cannot imagine him being any weaker than what I
picture him being for 2006. It's all thanks to that amazing Kingdom
Hearts II game. Some people seem to want to look at Sora's 2005 value of 25.69% against BL and then proceed to add the KH2 boost from that particular value. Others might want to give him some benefit against his match with Snake, be it SFF or some other random factor, and then boost him accordingly. Personally, I would be willing to wager that he is overall a lot closer to his 2004 value of 28.93% than any value you want to give him from 2005. In 2005, Sora had a pretty impressive route up until Snake, I thought. Well, the most impressive match to me was his beating down of Alucard. The 2004 stats actually predicted Alucard to win that match with 51.37%. Sure, that's nothing massive, but the fact that Sora was predicted to lose and then turned around and beat Alucard with 55.36%, which was rather impressive ... at least at the time. I started looking at everything from 2002 until 2005 and I noticed that with the exception of 2005, Alucard has increased his strength every year. Now in 2005, he basically plummets to nearly his weakest year in contest history -- 22.94% against BL. That, to me, just sends off a ton of alarms about what happened in 2005, particularly between Snake/Sora. It's not that Alucard may have dropped a little, it's that he basically dropped off the map and below characters he should have no trouble beating. Alucard ... lose to Hayabusa? Diablo? Tommy Vercetti? I don't know about anyone else, but I would be taking Alucard in all of those matches and not worrying a bit about my choice. Hell, he's on par with people like Kefka, Gordon Freeman, and Pac-Man? No. Just no. I cannot believe that ... So instead of focusing purely on Alucard, we can go over to Sora, who has been somewhat of a crazy entry ever since he got into the contest in 2003. We all know he got SFFed in a big way against Aerith in 2003, but most people never really took note of that, I believe -- it was at least enough to shock people the following year. Later, he came out and went right through HK-47, Ryu Hayabusa, and then put up a somewhat respectable loss against Samus, who had an exceptionally good year. Now in 2005, he has a pretty impressive run until he starts running into Snake. But that has all be covered before. The main point here is that I do believe something happened and it was rather significant, be it SFF or whatever. When I take a look at the stats for 2005, I see some rather unbelievable things concerning Sora ... --- Listen to my story. This may be our last chance. -- Tidus |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 4/19/2006 3:18:35 PM | message detail |
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First, Sora goes from beating Hayabusa with 61.72% of the vote in 2004
to, according to the 2005 stats, barely being able to him with 53.78%.
That is entirely too unbelievable for me to go with. A rematch between
the two should be anything
less than 61.72%. I cannot ever imagine there being a situation where
Sora would get a nearly 8% lower than what he got a year earlier on a
character who only increased ~1%. Sora goes from being able to
indirectly hang with Auron, Bowser, Squall, Dante, and others to being
with the likes of Frog, Rikku, Yuna, Diablo, Chun-Li, and yes, even
Hayabusa. It all just screams wrong. Admittedly, I have no clue
what really happened in Snake/Sora. Snake had a very nice year, but
Sora just dropped the ball completely. I, personally, believe it was
something similar to SFF. Maybe not the fact that they share fanbases,
but just something happened to really mess up Sora's actual final
ranking. Everything about his placement as of right now is far too
unrealistic for me to believe. Now that where is it I put him ... I happen to believe Sora's rank is actually at his 28.93% or a bit higher. I can believe Alucard would drop a bit as opposed to just plummeting to the worst he's ever been in a contest. The area that I would actually put him is between 28.93% - 30.80%, both values against BL. Both of these put him back on par with characters like Auron, Luigi, Magus, and so on. It also makes Alucard's drop a lot more believable, as opposed to it being the worst he's ever been in a contest. This is all before Kingdom Hearts II, obviously. I'm not really up for giving him a slight adjustment of a percentage point or so. I believe he's either completely back up to where he was in 2004 or possibly even exceeding that ... Now the matter of Kingdom Hearts II comes into play. RPGuy mentioned it in his post about therealmn bringing up Sora becoming far more like a Final Fantasy protagonist and less like a Disney character. This has quite a bit of truth to it. He has a far cooler design, is far cooler to control gameplay-wise, and just seems to ooze something more Square-like as opposed to anything Disney-related. It also helps that Kingdom Hearts II has more or less lived up to the hype that was surrounding it beforehand, as it is a much better game the original Kingdom Hearts and pretty much every critic seems to agree (with the sole exception of IGN). Further, Kingdom Hearts II has been no slouch in sales with 614,000 being reported in just the three - four days it was out on the market in March. It should have easily cleared well over a million by the time the actual contest gets underway, as I do not foresee the sales dropping off from that number in the coming month of April. There is also the influx of Square fans that most people seem to predict happening in 2006, so any little thing helps. All that thrown into the mix, I think Sora's gain from KH2 is going to be rather significant. I sincerely doubt it would be anything like a few percentage points. I would be willing to wager that he gets a good 4 - 5% boost from what I think is his current value -- not his absurd 2005 value. Adding those together, he could end up anywhere between 32.93% and 35.8% against BL. What general area does this put him in? That little cluster right before the Noble Nine. The lowest would put him around Knuckles, Zero, Magus, Luigi, and Dante. The latter would put him around Ganondorf, Tifa, Kirby, and Squall. That is not to say that I think he'll beat all of those people, as you do have to remove some of them for various reasons. --- Listen to my story. This may be our last chance. -- Tidus |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 4/19/2006 3:19:22 PM | message detail |
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He absolutely under no circumstances can be beat Squall, even if he is
indirectly his equal. The reason for should be obvious. He cannot beat
Tifa either, same reasoning. The others are, in my own opinion, fair
game. Ganondorf, Kirby, Luigi, Dante, Magus, Zero, and Knuckles are all
characters I think he can beat or give a very good match. With the sole
exception of Luigi, there really shouldn't be any reason for those
other characters to see any notable boosts. Even with Luigi, he might
not see much. I think Kingdom Hearts II is going to do wonders
for Sora, we all should be excepting this though. What I think will end
up being a "shocker," at least to most of the board, is the how well
Sora performs in 2006. I doubt anyone would be willing to consider Sora
in a match against Zero or Luigi or Ganondorf, but I'm willing to take
that risk given on where I think Sora actually rests in the rankings. Everything that was affected by Snake's match against Sora just sends off the sirens for me. I really, really doubt any character that Sora faced in 2005 is as low as they are in the rankings. I do not see Sora getting lower than what he got against Hayabusa to such a degree, I do not see Alucard hanging with Kefka, and I certainly do not see Sora struggling to beat someone like Leon Kennedy or Frog. I would say it's possible I'm overestimating Sora, but I'm far too confident in this to say such a thing. I'm not calling for that value of 35.8% to be true by any means, as I'm more inclined to go with something in between the two values I gave out. But, hey, he's going to be the highlight of the contest, I think. ... Well, as long as CJayC does not give him a boring path, but he's been lucky enough to avoid that one for a while. Heh ... Sora Shocker II -- 2006~!! --- Listen to my story. This may be our last chance. -- Tidus |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 4/19/2006 3:26:08 PM | message detail |
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And ... Would anyone take him over some of the mid-range FF characters like Tidus? I would probably do so. I think Sora's main problem is going to be anyone originating from Final Fantasy VII and any Final Fantasy character from Auron up, with the exception of Magus. Who is the strongest character you would take Sora over in 2006? It would probably be someone like Dante. Maybe even Ganondorf, but you know .... Heh. --- Listen to my story. This may be our last chance. -- Tidus |
| trannyscience | Posted 4/19/2006 3:28:05 PM | message detail |
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*saves post, remembers to ask HM in a month* --- xyzzy |
| SephirothG | Posted 4/19/2006 3:30:08 PM | message detail |
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Would anyone take him over some of the mid-range FF characters like Tidus? Tidus SFFs Sora Auron SFFs Sora Squall SFFs Sora Any FFVII Character SFFs Sora I went there. --- 4 NUDE cosplay and HOT crono cross hentai: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585012 |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/19/2006 4:27:33 PM | message detail |
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Further, Kingdom Hearts II has been no slouch in sales with 614,000
being reported in just the three - four days it was out on the market
in March. It should have easily cleared well over a million by the time
the actual contest gets underway, as I do not foresee the sales
dropping off from that number in the coming month of April. Really? I recall most Square games having extremely large dropoffs after their first month, even in America. FFX-2, for example, cleared a million in its first month, and is still only at 1.7M now, despite going Greatest Hits. As for the rest of your post...why would Sora be stronger in 2k5 than in 2k4? I suppose there's CoM, but that wasn't a very popular game on GameFAQs, if I remember the GotY polls correctly, and judging by the pathetic performances of Riku and Ansem. And even if you look at Alucard, he was likely overrated in 2k4, thanks to the Ganon mishaps. Personally, I wouldn't put Sora any higher than Luigi. 3% is a pretty standard boost for a great new game. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Big Bob | Posted 4/19/2006 4:39:00 PM | message detail |
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I'd say Auron, Squall, Aerith, and Tifa can all SFF Sora, but he's
still not to be underestimated. I bet he can beat Tidus and Yuffie (if
she were to show up), and definitely Magus. >.> I'll finish KH any day now so I can move to the second... |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 4/19/2006 4:52:18 PM | message detail |
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I'm putting a lot of faith in Sora this year. As of this moment (pre-NSMB, mind you), I'd take him over Luigi in a heartbeat. --- Board 8: Where people treat each other right. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 4/19/2006 6:45:40 PM | message detail |
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*saves post, remembers to ask HM in a month* Ask me what? =p Tidus SFFs Sora Auron SFFs Sora Squall SFFs Sora Any FFVII Character SFFs Sora I would agree with everyone except for Tidus. I think only Auron, Squall, and almost any FFVII character are the Square characters that would be able to SFF Sora. Someone like Tidus is just going to be too far below him to get SFF to such a degree that Sora loses, I think. Really? I recall most Square games having extremely large dropoffs after their first month, even in America. FFX-2, for example, cleared a million in its first month, and is still only at 1.7M now, despite going Greatest Hits. FFX was about for 14 days in December, too. It's notable that it also released during the holiday season, which usually makes it sales bigger at one time than usual. In comparison, Kingdom Hearts II recorded 614,000 sales in only three days (four days at the max), which is very impressive all things considered. I would expect similar sales in April. The dropoff should come in May, but if there's a PS2 price drop it may help to get more people to buy it than usual. You might have it, but if not I plan to check and see for myself, but I think it would be interesting to compare how much Kingdom Hearts sold by the time the contest started and how much Kingdom Hearts II will have sold by the time the contest starts. It's not a big deal or anything, but it would be fun to compare. Kingdom Hearts was out far, far longer than Kingdom Hearts II will have been, but KH2 has the benefit of being more recent. As for the rest of your post...why would Sora be stronger in 2k5 than in 2k4? I suppose there's CoM, but that wasn't a very popular game on GameFAQs, if I remember the GotY polls correctly, and judging by the pathetic performances of Riku and Ansem. Chain of Memories did sell rather well -- nearly a million copies in America -- and it had that ability to "reach" Nintendo fans with the Game Boy Advance. It also isn't doing too bad on the FAQ listing nor the boards right now. I think Sora certainly had the potential, at least, to be stronger in 2005 than in 2004. Even if he wasn't, there's no reasonable way to explain a dropoff like that out of basically nowhere. Hype shouldn't do much, but he had the anticipation of KH2 and Chain of Memories on his side. He should have at least maintained his 2004 strength, which I thought he did until his match with Snake. That match was the one thing that just about screwed up anything he did. His performances in 2005 really did not strike me as those which were going to lead to a much weaker Sora. And even if you look at Alucard, he was likely overrated in 2k4, thanks to the Ganon mishaps. Personally, I wouldn't put Sora any higher than Luigi. 3% is a pretty standard boost for a great new game. Maybe I'm forgetting something, but what was the problem with Ganon again? He never did turn out to much weaker like what was thought. Again, I could understand a drop of some kind happening, but he goes from being above Sora in 2004 to barely being above Kefka. 2005 was his weakest performance in contest history, or just about there, and he's been here since 2002, which was his weakest before. That really strikes me as odd, especially given his previous position. He could have dropped some, sure, but that dive is too much for me to really believe. A drop of 6.43% over a year? Ganon had a value of 34.72% against BL in 2004 and then a value of 33.64% against BL. Alucard's drop would have been ~1% as opposed to 6% if you take that into consideration -- though that may not be the way it needs to be done. Ganon goes from beating Alucard with 57.15% one year to beating him 65.90% the next? Ganon went down by a smidge in 2005, too. That just doesn't sit well ... --- Listen to my story. This may be our last chance. -- Tidus |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 4/19/2006 6:59:16 PM | message detail |
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| yoblazer33 | Posted 4/19/2006 7:00:26 PM | message detail |
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As much as I enjoyed that particular match, it's pretty clear that
something was off during Snake/Sora. Maybe it was the picture, or maybe
Snake just has a leg up on any non-FFVII Playstation character. Either
way, it has to be something. --- Board 8: Where people treat each other right. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 4/19/2006 7:01:18 PM | message detail |
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Maybe its just the fact that Snake is a beast >_> --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 4/19/2006 7:02:55 PM | message detail |
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And who thinks KHII could honestly give Sora a big enough boost to take
out one of the weaker Noble 9 members? <_< >_> --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 4/19/2006 7:10:32 PM | message detail |
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Yeah. Something happened, that's for sure. There's just no way everything was fine with Snake/Sora ... And who thinks KHII could honestly give Sora a big enough boost to take out one of the weaker Noble 9 members? Guess who is the weakest Noble Nine member? << --- Listen to my story. This may be our last chance. -- Tidus |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 4/19/2006 7:11:59 PM | message detail |
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Wait a minute, Snake is STILL the weakest? But...but...he got in the
Final Four last year and did decently against Mario! Doesn't that mean
anything? >_> --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 4/19/2006 7:14:17 PM | message detail |
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Not really. Cloud didn't win a match last year; does that make him weaker than Lloyd Irving? =P --- Board 8: Where people treat each other right. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 4/19/2006 7:14:19 PM | message detail |
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It means that he got to the Final Four and did decently against Mario. It also means that he's still weaker than Sonic. But to answer that question: no, Sora's boost won't be big enough to take out Snake. =p --- Listen to my story. This may be our last chance. -- Tidus |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 4/19/2006 7:14:39 PM | message detail |
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By the by, I think the real highlight of this contest won't be the KHII
influence and overall Square boost...but more or less seeing if the
Rally winners can prove themselves more worthy than last years winners.
If I'm not mistaken, neither Tifa or Vincent(the big newcomers of 05)
won the tournaments. Lets hope guys like PoP, Sub-Zero, and Nightmare
can change things up a bit. --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 4/19/2006 7:15:30 PM | message detail |
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Yoblazer should roast in a pit of fire for using that!! --- Listen to my story. This may be our last chance. -- Tidus |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 4/19/2006 7:15:49 PM | message detail |
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Point taken peeps. But to answer that question: no, Sora's boost won't be big enough to take out Snake. =p Which is good, because no one deserves to beat Snake in my eyes, especially not midcarders <_< --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/19/2006 7:17:33 PM | message detail |
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*posts* --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Zero in SC2k6 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 4/19/2006 7:17:54 PM | message detail |
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Lets hope guys like PoP, Sub-Zero, and Nightmare can change things up a bit. Do you really see any of those guys doing anything great? --- Listen to my story. This may be our last chance. -- Tidus |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 4/19/2006 7:18:55 PM | message detail |
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Honestly, no, but I can be optomistic can't I? Just like I can be
optomistic about people like Tron Bonne and Pious Augustus making the
field this year >_> --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 4/19/2006 7:19:15 PM | message detail |
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Which is good, because no one deserves to beat Snake in my eyes, especially not midcarders Sora > > > Snake. Just for the record ... And Sora's going to make his way into that little cluster right before the Noble Nine. One day ... !! --- Listen to my story. This may be our last chance. -- Tidus |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 4/19/2006 7:20:32 PM | message detail |
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Hell, if a KHIII comes out(and it probably will), he has a good chance
of going even farther. Course MGS4 might change that <_< --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| Yesmar | Posted 4/19/2006 7:21:09 PM | message detail |
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I'm not trying to say whether or not anything happened in Snake Vs. Sora, but: FUN WITH X-STATS If you base Ganondorf's 2k3/2k4 ranking off of 2k5 Magus than Alucard's 2k4 ranking is only 23.59, a .78 difference from his 2k5 ranking (at least according to my X-Stats) --- "History repeats itself twice: The first time as tragedy, the second time as farce."--Karl Marx |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 4/19/2006 7:26:05 PM | message detail |
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X-Stats are about as reliable as NFL and MLB stats. --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| yoshifan823 | Posted 4/19/2006 7:34:19 PM | message detail |
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Subbie and Sora and upsets of the year. BOOK IT! --- "It was a weird night, with the Sexual Foot of Desire and the Sexual Moose of Lust and all"- Iamdead7. |
| Big Bob | Posted 4/19/2006 7:44:35 PM | message detail |
| Sora's loss to Snake was a combination of SFF and the match pic. If they meet again, I see Sora with 45% with an unbiased picture. I figure that KHII will get rid of any SFF between the two. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/19/2006 9:04:50 PM | message detail |
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Sora's loss to Snake was a combination of SFF and the match pic. If
they meet again, I see Sora with 45% with an unbiased picture. I figure
that KHII will get rid of any SFF between the two. Nope, Sora would be doing good to crack 40% on Solid this year. Overcoming SFF and boosting alot is hard to come by, match-pic or no. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/19/2006 10:47:22 PM | message detail |
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You might have it, but if not I plan to check and see for myself,
but I think it would be interesting to compare how much Kingdom Hearts
sold by the time the contest started and how much Kingdom Hearts II
will have sold by the time the contest starts. It's not a big deal or
anything, but it would be fun to compare. Kingdom Hearts was out far,
far longer than Kingdom Hearts II will have been, but KH2 has the
benefit of being more recent. KH had 1.4M in America as of SC2k3. I suppose that KH2 could reach that by the time this year's contest hits. Maybe I'm forgetting something, but what was the problem with Ganon again? He never did turn out to much weaker like what was thought. Again, I could understand a drop of some kind happening, but he goes from being above Sora in 2004 to barely being above Kefka. 2005 was his weakest performance in contest history, or just about there, and he's been here since 2002, which was his weakest before. That really strikes me as odd, especially given his previous position. He could have dropped some, sure, but that dive is too much for me to really believe. A drop of 6.43% over a year? Ganon had a value of 34.72% against BL in 2004 and then a value of 33.64% against BL. Alucard's drop would have been ~1% as opposed to 6% if you take that into consideration -- though that may not be the way it needs to be done. Ganon goes from beating Alucard with 57.15% one year to beating him 65.90% the next? Ganon went down by a smidge in 2005, too. That just doesn't sit well ... Ganon's 2k3 value is in there with Magus/Tidus/Sam, and none of those have proved really trustworthy. His 2k4 value was just his 2k3 value. And in 2k5, he's behind Samus and Mario, which is a fairly large SFF chain. I would say that Ganon had a good increase between 2k4 and 2k5, judging by the VC and the performances of other Zelda characters. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 4/20/2006 12:16:51 AM | message detail |
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KH had 1.4M in America as of SC2k3. I suppose that KH2 could reach that by the time this year's contest hits. Yeah. I'm quite confident in KH2 selling 1.4 million by the time the contest starts this year. Recency and similar sales -- sounds good to me! Heh. Ganon's 2k3 value is in there with Magus/Tidus/Sam, and none of those have proved really trustworthy. His 2k4 value was just his 2k3 value. And in 2k5, he's behind Samus and Mario, which is a fairly large SFF chain. I would say that Ganon had a good increase between 2k4 and 2k5, judging by the VC and the performances of other Zelda characters. Hmm. I cannot remember offhand, but wasn't Samus/Ganon similar to how it was predicted to go based on the 2004 stats ... or maybe the Spring 2005 stats? I forget which, if it even predicted a similar result. At the least, Samus was adjusted to a more normal ranking from the Mario SFF affair, so that would leave Samus/Ganon if anything actually did take place. It has been a while since I even bothered arguing with the stats like this, but I seem to recall that Ganon's 2003 value ended up being accurate. It may not have been dead on, but he never suffered greatly like Magus and Tidus. Nearly all of his performances seemed to be around his 2003 value, give or take a little. I doubt Alucard was affected all that much by Ganon's 2004 ranking anyway. No matter what you do, no matter what year you adjust, Alucard almost always takes a rather big fall from one next to the next for seemingly no reason at all. And figuring out Alucard only leads to figuring out why Sora would take a drop even after coming off a new game and the anticipation of a new game. I think it has far more to do with Snake/Sora than anything else, personally. If you base Ganondorf's 2k3/2k4 ranking off of 2k5 Magus than Alucard's 2k4 ranking is only 23.59, a .78 difference from his 2k5 ranking (at least according to my X-Stats) That ends up with Alucard dropping ~4% between 2003 and 2004, correct? --- Listen to my story. This may be our last chance. -- Tidus |
| Yesmar | Posted 4/20/2006 8:29:37 AM | message detail |
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The thing about Ganon's 2003 ranking is that even if it wasn't actually
as high as his current one is, The Boost could take care of that for
him. --- "History repeats itself twice: The first time as tragedy, the second time as farce."--Karl Marx |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 4/20/2006 9:40:31 AM | message detail |
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The thing about Alucard is that we can't be sure where he really stood
in 2004. By 2003 Ganondorf, he actually overperformed, but we know
what's wrong with Ganon's 2003 number (Link/Magus, for those who have
to ask). Remember that Squall only did a small bit better on Bomberman and a couple percent better on Kirby in 2004 than Alucard did in 2003. I'm not sure what to make of that, really. Is it possible that Alucard was overinflated in 2003? That's really the only year we have where we can be fairly certain nothing fishy happened with his value (He faced Cloud in 2002, remember), and even then, there were question marks raised about his match with Sephy since he, Kirby, and Bomberman all seemed to raise proportionally (goes back to that FFVII owns all things PSX, I suppose). Personally, I'm with HM in saying that Sora is at least at his 2004 value in 2005. He definitely didn't drop as much as the stats showed, nor did Alucard. Drops that large should always draw suspicion. If anything, CoM should have at least kept Sora stable, in my opinion. In any event, he'll at least be at 30% BL in 2006, if not more, I feel. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/20/2006 11:40:43 AM | message detail |
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It has been a while since I even bothered arguing with the stats
like this, but I seem to recall that Ganon's 2003 value ended up being
accurate. It may not have been dead on, but he never suffered greatly
like Magus and Tidus. Nearly all of his performances seemed to be
around his 2003 value, give or take a little. Well, given Link and Zelda's Boosts from 2k3 -> 2k5, I think it's pretty safe to say that Ganon increased as well. I'm not disputing that 2k5 Sora is as strong as 2k4 Sora, but he's certainly not stronger. I'm predicting him to be at ~32%BL in 2k6, which is not weak at all. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/20/2006 12:52:24 PM | message detail |
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Snake's against Mario is what his value is based on. And even breaking
40% on Mario didn't save him from finishing 9th in creative's stats and
behind Ganon in mine ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Kingdom Hearts 2, FF4A, Deus Ex, C&C |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/20/2006 2:48:41 PM | message detail |
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Assuming Samus didn't SFF Ganon (and if he did, probably not much) and
Ganon = Solid, this means Mario should have lost 47.14% against Samus
instead of winning with 59.79%. I'm all for Samus being SFF'd and
all...but, not like that. I'd only take Samus over Crono in a close
match nowadays. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 4/20/2006 5:53:20 PM | message detail |
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Assuming Samus didn't SFF Ganon (and if he did, probably not much) *METROID SPOILERS* Samus is a woman! Whoa! *END SPOILERS* --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/20/2006 8:26:02 PM | message detail |
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Yeesh, I mess up more on her than anything..... --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/21/2006 9:45:26 AM | message detail |
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It's not out of the question for Snake/Sora to have been SFF. It's just
harder to consider Playstation SFF when there are such a large amount
of fanbases that play the Playstation consoles. There's enough
circumstantial evidence of it, at least. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Kingdom Hearts 2, FF4A, Deus Ex, C&C |