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swirIdude | Posted 5/8/2006 3:34:50 PM | message detail
If Twilight Princess had already come out, would you consider putting Zelda over Final Fantasy?
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 5/8/2006 3:34:51 PM | message detail
GRADIUS GRADIUS GRADIUS GRADIUS GRADIUS!!!

If you guys don't nominate Gradius I'll... well, I'll stop posting in the stats topic! Yeah!
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dragoontheguy | Posted 5/8/2006 3:35:53 PM | message detail
I knew I forgot something!

*nominates gradius*
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trannyscience | Posted 5/8/2006 3:35:57 PM | message detail
hmm

more interesting match: Mario vs. FF or Zelda vs. FF?
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 5/8/2006 3:36:20 PM | message detail
*pumps fist*

YES!
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dragoontheguy | Posted 5/8/2006 3:36:52 PM | message detail
I'm going to go with zelda vs. FF.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 5/8/2006 3:37:02 PM | message detail
Oh, and Mario vs FF is just as interesting as Zelda vs FF in my opinion. Although I think FF will win now that Kingdom Hearts 2 is out, I think they'd be equal if this contest was run five months ago.
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trannyscience | Posted 5/8/2006 3:37:16 PM | message detail
err, I totally said that wrong.

Mario vs. FF or Mario vs. Zelda?

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dragoontheguy | Posted 5/8/2006 3:39:56 PM | message detail
FF vs. Zelda. IMO there is no question that zelda would beat mario. That assumption might come back to bite me on the ass, but I doubt it.
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Phediuk | Posted 5/8/2006 3:40:40 PM | message detail
If Twilight Princess came out right as the contest started, I'd pick it as the winner. But only then; FF has far too large of a fanbase on GameFAQs for anything else to really touch it.
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Anal Storage | Posted 5/8/2006 3:48:42 PM | message detail
I hate how everyone is using the old topic. WTF.

And for the hell of it, my nomination list so far.

Prince of Persia
Metal Gear Solid
Streets Of Rage
Diablo
Super Smash Bros.
Donkey Kong Country
Warcraft


Also, I think I might have picked Zelda if I didn't believe KHII will cause a voter shift. Because honestly, Final Fantasy mostly draws from 7 as we all know, and Zelda OoT. However I think there are a lot more Zelda fans who prefer other Zelda over OoT moreso than there are FF fans who prefer another FF over 7. Sure there's some of them, but I don't think it's as widescale as Zelda. With KHII though, I'm pretty sure I'll be picking FF as my winner.

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jonthomson | Posted 5/8/2006 3:49:23 PM | message detail
If TP was out I'd instapick Zelda. If Wind Waker had have been better I'd instapick Zelda. Right now I'm leaning towards FF, but I'm really not liking it one little bit.
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DpObliVion | Posted 5/8/2006 3:49:44 PM | message detail
Part 282 is up to 200 posts already. We need to kill this topic....

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dragoontheguy | Posted 5/8/2006 3:53:16 PM | message detail
True or false: If TP comes out mid contest, LoZ will beat final fantasy.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/8/2006 4:02:36 PM | message detail
False, but only because that won't happen at all.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/8/2006 4:03:35 PM | message detail
This contest never has been, and never will be in question. We all know who's gonna win.

So what? Still better than no contest at all.

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Big Bob | Posted 5/8/2006 4:07:18 PM | message detail
With New Super Mario Bros. being released almost at the start of the contest, I'm am CERTAIN it poses a serious threat to FF and Zelda.
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Anal Storage | Posted 5/8/2006 4:07:41 PM | message detail
Also, compared to when I first heard about this contest, I'm a lot more excited, if it was talking the place of a character battle, I would be raging right now, but it's not!

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dragoontheguy | Posted 5/8/2006 4:13:59 PM | message detail
False, but only because that won't happen at all.

-_-

It's a hypothetical question.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/8/2006 4:23:09 PM | message detail
My bad -- I assumed you thought it was realistic.

In that case, true.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 5/8/2006 4:36:48 PM | message detail
Zelda not having a shot against Final Fantasy? Crazy talk! We already know that LttP had a strong lead on the second most popular FF pre-Boost. And FF6's stock certainly didn't rise after those Top Ten results went public. 7's still the king, sure, but I'm not seeing enough support from the other titles to put FF way out in front of a series that draws better from its supporting cast, and is sure to enter the Contest hot off a huge E3.

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HaRRicH | Posted 5/8/2006 4:56:17 PM | message detail
1) LoZ:LttP has a smaller lead on FF3/6 than FF7 has on LoZ:OoT. Going by x-stats, the original FF gets nearly 47% on the original LoZ, and FFX gets 49.43% on LoZ:WW, which was behind Starcraft (thus, I don't trust it). There's of course the other LoZ/FF games too, but they didn't make the 2k4 bracket...


2) ...so I'll bring out the Top 100 List and mention all their games:

Final Fantasy - FF7 at #1, FF3/6 at #10, FFX at #12, FF8 at #17, FF9 at #42, FF2/4 at #50
Legend of Zelda - LoZ:OoT at #2, LoZ:LttP at #4, LoZ at #30, LoZ:WW at #45, LoZ:MM at #46

Looking at the games that made the bracket, it looks complex, but looking at the games that didn't give a nice perspective for those supporting FF to win it all (though certainly not the single-most accurate way). FF8 smokes LoZ:MM (and safely outdoes LoZ as well) and FF9 beats it too, while FF2/4 isn't far behind it. Also, to note, I make no mention of the FFT games up above, but I wouldn't rule out FF fans thinking of it when they vote considering FFT got #19 and FFTA got #89.


3) KH2 and FF:AC are most likely bringing in enough of a Square influx to seal FF > LoZ. It won't dominate it, but it should be enough to beat it.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 5/8/2006 4:59:09 PM | message detail
Zelda does have a massive shot against Final Fantasy. I have to say this contest will be different for the reason below.

Remember, it's not just ONE game but rather ALL games. Meaning the Zelda fanbase; everything from LTTP to Majora's Mask will be compacted into one force. It will be that against FF which includes everything from FF2 to FF7.

So, let's just look at the bigger picture.
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trannyscience | Posted 5/8/2006 4:59:56 PM | message detail
can throw Tactics into that mix as well - if people see the FF name, they're going to be voting for all its games regardless of if it's eligible or not.
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Anal Storage | Posted 5/8/2006 5:02:02 PM | message detail
Srsly. Anyway, I still think Zelda's fanbase is more diverse than Final Fantasy's. I don't think there's anyone who really dislikes or is indifferent to FF7 and loves others. I do think that's the case with OoT and the Zelda series though. Anyway, I'm still favoring FF, but to say Zelda has no shot is silly!

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Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 5/8/2006 5:04:41 PM | message detail
Srsly. Anyway, I still think Zelda's fanbase is more diverse than Final Fantasy's. I don't think there's anyone who really dislikes or is indifferent to FF7 and loves others. I do think that's the case with OoT and the Zelda series though. Anyway, I'm still favoring FF, but to say Zelda has no shot is silly!


I feel just the opposite. I see the FF boards always fighting with each other but they'll be under one banner now. I think FF has a much more diverse fanbase than Zelda.

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Anal Storage | Posted 5/8/2006 5:05:49 PM | message detail
Your face disagrees completely ! !


Whoo, another debate won.

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therealmnm | Posted 5/8/2006 5:08:47 PM | message detail
People are talking about their Zelda arguments like the Zelda games have that much of a diverse fanbase. Even if the individual Zelda games are more popular than their FF counterparts outside of 7, it doesn't mean that the Zelda games combined are stronger.

For instance, I don't see a whole lot of people who like MM that don't like OoT enough to not vote for it or vice versa. You see much more distinction between the FF fanbases. The Legend of Zelda series is going to be much less than the sum of its parts.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 5/8/2006 5:10:54 PM | message detail
If someone wants to make a name for themselves, they could easily do so by starting a Nominations Prediction Contest, wherein we would all try to predict which 32 series will make the bracket this year.

I'd do it myself, but I'll have more than enough Contest on my hands soon enough.

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Anal Storage | Posted 5/8/2006 5:11:59 PM | message detail
Waaaaaaaaaaay too big for me to run. Far to unpredictable too, hell if there was one I don't even know if I'd participate.

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Ngamer64 | Posted 5/8/2006 5:13:55 PM | message detail
There's always one, and yeah, it's quite unpredictable. It'll make for a great Contest, once someone steps up to the plate here.

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HaRRicH | Posted 5/8/2006 5:15:02 PM | message detail
Another reminder: if Slow doesn't come back for it, we will need somebody to do the Board Odds Project too.

Lots of things to be done, heh.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 5/8/2006 5:36:20 PM | message detail
Ah HA, I see now that Chris was going to do it, but Ulti scolded him because Rodri has run it in the past. But the question is, had Rod confirmed he'll run Nom Preds this year?

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DomaDragoon | Posted 5/8/2006 5:39:45 PM | message detail
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Kaxon | Posted 5/8/2006 5:40:36 PM | message detail
If someone wants to make a name for themselves, they could easily do so by starting a Nominations Prediction Contest, wherein we would all try to predict which 32 series will make the bracket this year. I'd do it myself, but I'll have more than enough Contest on my hands soon enough.

Rodri's already done it:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27984109
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Ngamer64 | Posted 5/8/2006 6:01:30 PM | message detail
Ah, so he did. Three cheers for Rod!

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 5/8/2006 7:00:10 PM | message detail
I don't think there's anyone who really dislikes or is indifferent to FF7 and loves others.

Surely you're kidding.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/8/2006 8:30:19 PM | message detail
Rodri made it yesterday >_>

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outback | Posted 5/8/2006 8:32:06 PM | message detail
I don't think there's anyone who really dislikes or is indifferent to FF7 and loves others.

FFVII was horrible, FFVI was good bordering on great.

But I've hated all the other ones I've played, so eh.
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Kaxon | Posted 5/8/2006 10:54:37 PM | message detail
I wish I had more than 10 nominations, but here's what I decided on:
Your Nominations

Phantasy Star
Mega Man
Pilotwings
Seiken Densetsu (Mana)
Soul Blazer Trilogy
Mega Man X
Silent Hill
Chrono
Metroid
Castlevania
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/8/2006 11:03:39 PM | message detail
I don't think there's anyone who really dislikes or is indifferent to FF7 and loves others.

*raises hand*

I'd vote LoZ over FF anyway, but think they're both as diverse as a single genre series can be. I think it mostly depends on the thought process of the voter: is it "I like FFVII more than any Zelda" or is it "LttP and OoT I like more than FFVII and FFVI?" Either way, Zelda's at a disadvantage just because of VII's sheer popularity, but the second option puts it in at least a winnable match.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 5/8/2006 11:07:29 PM | message detail
Ugh, this is the slowest climb to 500 I've ever seen.

And, uh... Zelda's Contest-winning momentum starts tomorrow, 12:30pm EST. Watch for it!

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voltch | Posted 5/9/2006 12:35:38 AM | message detail
there should be a race to 500 by now no?
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therealmnm | Posted 5/9/2006 12:38:26 AM | message detail
Sonic the Hedgehog will surprise in this contest!
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greatone10 | Posted 5/9/2006 12:44:18 AM | message detail
Slow climb is right...
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Repus_Yortsed | Posted 5/9/2006 12:45:58 AM | message detail
Phanatsy Star for #1!
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greatone10 | Posted 5/9/2006 12:52:52 AM | message detail
*yawn*
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 5/9/2006 1:01:31 AM | message detail
I seriously feel that Mega Man could be the ace in the hole of this contest.

For SpC2K4 and WC2K5, Mega Man got snubbed, but fairly, as gamers can't come to a consensus on the best game. They're all pretty close/similar/very good.

So, here you have all 8 Mega Man games into one.

I'm sure you can name at least 3 Final Fantasies you don't like. Maybe 1 or 2 Zelda games. Probably at least 4 Mario games, just because they're so frigging many.

Does anyone really hate any of the Mega Man ga-*JUMP! JUMP! SLIDE! SLIDE!*



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WiggumFan267 | Posted 5/9/2006 1:02:29 AM | message detail
Seriously though, MM could be a 3rd placer here.

And if MM can do that well, can't MMX do even better?


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therealmnm | Posted 5/9/2006 1:02:33 AM | message detail
Sonic > Mega Man
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