Summer 2005 Contest
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 280
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| LeonhartForever | Posted 3/30/2006 3:36:37 PM | message detail |
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Second question: did Snake SFF Squall at all in 2002? We always
assumed Squall's increase was entirely due to KHF, but after seeing
Snake/Sora and Sephiroth/Liquid Snake, maybe we should reconsider. I brought this up a couple of topics ago, and I think it's a valid point. It would seem that FF and MGS fanbase overlap a fair bit here (perhaps Square in general and MGS, if you want to bring up what Frog did to Snake). Plus, I think Snake and Squall appeal to the same sort of fanbase. I've also been an ardent believer since 2004 that Snake would SFF Master Chief if they ever met. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/30/2006 3:42:23 PM | message detail |
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Now that the feedback tickets have been mostly cleared...my Mario-poll
redo ticket was passed over as Read. Kinda makes me mad, actually,
seeing as how it just happened.
It should hald been labeled Complete (like my ticket asking for
prediction scores of Link/Sephiroth)...but, instead, bah. Another
ticket that's just Read for me. Solid could SFF MC, but I wouldn't see it being alot. It would be insane seeing the difference between Frog and post-Halo 2 MC with the common opponent of Solid if he could manage to SFF MC though..... --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 3/30/2006 4:00:27 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, he's sure plowed through those tickets, cut the pile down to a
third in the last few days here. This catching up makes me more hopeful
for a big announcement in the next five days or so... *keeps fingers crossed* --- "lol x-stats" - The Contest Simulator: http://thengamer.com/xstats Ngamer's Contest Archives: http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/ |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/30/2006 6:42:41 PM | message detail |
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I'm starting to wonder if CJayC's programming announcement had to do with an April Fool's Day joke. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Kingdom Hearts 2, FF4A, Deus Ex, C&C |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/30/2006 6:46:40 PM | message detail |
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I figure part of it is, thought surely not all of it. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Lopen | Posted 3/30/2006 6:59:01 PM | message detail |
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Hmmm, so it looks like that Mario poll held up pretty well. I can't
believe I missed that one. Well, it helps reassert my "Peach is
ultimate fodder" stance quite nicely. --- Raiden is still [-29] nominations short! Yeah yeah... Yoshi... can it! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=25457391 |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/30/2006 7:12:04 PM | message detail |
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27257823 Any good gaming characters whose name begins with X? And drawing any conclusions from a favorite character poll with multiple entrants is stupid. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Kingdom Hearts 2, FF4A, Deus Ex, C&C |
| therealmnm | Posted 3/30/2006 7:44:40 PM | message detail |
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Well, it helps reassert my "Peach is ultimate fodder" stance quite nicely. Wow. Princess Peach didn't get many votes in a "Favorite Mario character" poll. Whodathunkit? Nobody expects her to get any votes in a poll like that. It doesn't mean she would struggle to get votes against the likes of a Tommy Vercetti or someone else non-Nintendo. I don't know exactly what your definition of ultimate fodder is... I still say Peach is comparable to Yuna in strength, as much as people may disagree. On a side note, I would love to have seen how DK fared in a favorite Mario character poll. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 3/30/2006 8:23:32 PM | message detail |
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Just dont expect KH 2 to give the same boost as KH. Its appearing
very late in the console cycle which will decrease sales and its not
going to bring that new audience to Square characters as the first will. No one here should be expecting a massive boost that rivals that of Kingdom Hearts. That was the first appearance by them and the characters that made an appearance were much weaker then than they are now. Your comment about it appearing late in the console's life is worthless. Sony plans on supporting the PlayStation 2 for a few years after the PlayStation 3 is released. The PlayStation 2 still sells about 500,000 units in North America a month. There is no worry at all about the sales of Kingdom Hearts II, which are going to easily surpass those of Kingdom Hearts. While Kingdom Hearts was the new thing around and gave some exposure, Kingdom Hearts II has the added benefit of being hyped beyond imagination. Every place, not just GameFAQs, has been all over Kingdom Hearts II for a while now. So yeah, the boost will not be as large as Kingdom Hearts, but no one here was really expecting such a thing ... There will be a boost, but I dont want people throwing out ideas like Sora beating Sonic and Sephiroth beating Link. Sephiroth could get rather close to Link, but he definitely would not beat him. Though I think if someone was trying to make an argument they would use KH2 and AC (Advent Children) while Link has pretty much nothing to speak of, which would just keep him static to his 2005 strength. Sora will probably get the biggest boost, although people will probably exaggerate it seeing the way he bombed against Snake. He's bound for a rebound from that regardless of KH2. I hate to bring up any SFF mention between those two, but I really have a hard time thinking Sora is actually as low as his match against Snake put him. I would not say something like Sora to break the Noble Nine or beat Bowser, but I think he could end up right below that group knocking on the Noble Nine's door. As for everyone else, I don't think we will be nearly seeing the boost that everyone else is expecting. With Kingdom Hearts, Cloud, Squall and co had been missing in action since their respective games. Let's look at some of the boosts that these characters would need to get over their respective "humps." - Squall to get over Bowser would require a 1.27% boost from him -- 1.66% to get over Solid Snake and enter the Noble Nine. - Cloud to get over Link would require a 2.45% boost from his 2005 value. He could obtain this from KH2 alone, not even to mention Advent Children. - Tifa to get over Vincent and take her spot as the third strongest Final Fantasy VII character would require a 1.83% boost from her 2005 value. She could obtain this from KH2 alone, not even to mention Advent Children. - Auron to get over Ganondorf would require a 2.53% boost from his 2005 value -- 3.92% boost in order to get over pre-KH2 Squall. - Sephiroth to get over Link would require a 4.94% boost from his 2005 value. As an added benefit, he has Advent Children to help along with Kingdom Hearts II. --- "Outside the dream world, life can be harsh -- even cruel, but it is life." -- Auron |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 3/30/2006 8:23:48 PM | message detail |
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Now, with the exception of Sephiroth, what is exactly hard to believe
about boosts of this calibur from these characters? How is it a
dramatic boost for Auron to come back and beat Ganon in a rematch? His
role in the game is good enough that it should be expected for him to at least be on that level. I think this even works in bare minimums for some characters, as opposed to the likely level or the maximum. I did not even bother to go into lesser characters who are below Auron's level in the stats, but you could make a guess for yourself. It just seems absurd to me that people are still trying to cut KH2 short in what it will do. There is no logical reasoning in thinking that KH2 will not provide the boosts necessary to get Square right back into things. Auron not beat Ganon in a rematch? Cloud not beat Link in a rematch? Please. Why people are not expecting these things at this point are what is truly mind boggling for me. --- "Outside the dream world, life can be harsh -- even cruel, but it is life." -- Auron |
| trannyscience | Posted 3/30/2006 8:30:28 PM | message detail |
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the "late in the console's life" argument only holds water when time
has passed - people will be coming to GameFAQs for KH2 in the Summer,
maybe more than any other game. if people aren't playing KH2, what are they playing? --- xyzzy |
| Lopen | Posted 3/30/2006 9:40:07 PM | message detail |
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I would love to have seen how DK fared in a favorite Mario character poll I wouldn't expect DK to get much less than Wario. Perhaps he'd get more. While I know you can't take those polls exactly as they are, I really doubt a character that is so decisively (italicized for emphasis rather than my usual italics whoring) behind the rest is anything but "ultimate fodder". Just because she has a good franchise or games doesn't mean the people like her. It's not so much that she's last... it's more of a "you've got to be this tall to get above the fodder line" thing we've got here. She barely beat Waluigi. And surely nobody would expect him to get votes in a poll like that either. I'd take Lloyd Irving over either one of em without sweating it. That should give you an idea of what I mean by ultimate fodder. --- Raiden is still [-29] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=25457391 |
| Team Rocket Elite | Posted 3/30/2006 11:28:42 PM | message detail |
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Being easily SFF'd only matters in a SFF match. Favorites polls are
riddled with SFF so it's impossible to tell if a character does poorly
because they are weak or because they are easily SFF'd. --- "Why did I become a lawyer in the first place...? Because someone has to look out for the people who have no one on their side." ~Phoenix Wright |
| Chinballz | Posted 3/31/2006 12:10:34 AM | message detail |
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Do you think KH2 will get Roxas into the contest? If so, how do you
think he'd do? And how much of a boost do you think Riku would get from
it (provided he makes it back in)? --- MK:DS Name & Code (Hungus, 124616-763503) Nominate Jay Solano from Operation Shadow (N-Gage) for SC2K6! |
| Lopen | Posted 3/31/2006 1:04:50 AM | message detail |
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Being easily SFF'd only matters in a SFF match. Favorites polls are
riddled with SFF so it's impossible to tell if a character does poorly
because they are weak or because they are easily SFF'd. This makes sense, but I'm thinking a character that gets SFFed that badly just can't be that good even in a non SFF situation. It's not like the poll has the "ten guys tied for last place with crappy %age" situation, either. There are clear-cut tiers there. And say what you will about those polls, but they've seemed to gauge character strength at least somewhat accurately. The guys on top seem are among the stronger characters in the series and the guys on the bottom are fodderish. We haven't had too many examples but there have been enough that I wouldn't ignore them. As long as you don't take them as a concrete ordering and they tend to work fine. --- Raiden is still [-29] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=25457391 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 3/31/2006 1:15:09 AM | message detail |
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I forget who said it back during the argument that broke out a while
back, but it seemed to make sense about Peach. It seems likely that she
could beat characters who people did not care about (fodder) on her
recognizability alone, but when it came to someone with some actual
strength and a character people cared for she would not stand much of a
chance. It would be interesting to look at, but have there been any characters who performed last, or nearly last, in those character polls and actually had some strength? I do not think any are coming to mind immediately. But it is a good point that those character polls are at least somewhat accurate ... as long as you do not read them as the order of strength. --- "Outside the dream world, life can be harsh -- even cruel, but it is life." -- Auron |
| therealmnm | Posted 3/31/2006 1:20:53 AM | message detail |
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Or you can just look at the blatant fact that Princess Peach simply
isn't the type of person to gather votes in a SFF favorites poll
setting, especially with the likes of Mario, Yoshi, Bowser, and Luigi
in the same poll. So what if Wario got more? 5000 votes in a SFF poll
really isn't saying much of anything. The poll says nothing about how
Peach would do in an individual poll in the absence of the others.
Outside of the top 2 or 3 vote getters, you can't really trust a SFF
poll at all since the top vote getters take so much of the votes. As a matter of fact, no such polls allow you to gauge how strong a character is. At most, you can only gauge the pecking order... and again that only goes about 2 to 3 characters deep. You simply can't assume that all the votes that went to Mario, Bowser, Yoshi, and Luigi would go to Wario over Peach just because he did better. Hell, look at how BOWSER did. Judging by that poll, you couldn't possibly tell that he was a few hundred votes away from taking down a Noble Niner. Yet, look how strong he is. Again, the poll proves nothing on how a character would do in the absence of the other characters in a poll. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| Kaxon | Posted 3/31/2006 1:23:33 AM | message detail |
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This makes sense, but I'm thinking a character that gets SFFed that badly just can't be that good even in a non SFF situation. Two words: Ganon. Dorf. --- Nominate Aeris for SC2k6 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751 |
| Kaxon | Posted 3/31/2006 1:23:58 AM | message detail |
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Hmm, that gives me an idea... --- Nominate Aeris for SC2k6 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751 |
| Lopen | Posted 3/31/2006 1:29:49 AM | message detail |
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Believe me, I thought of Ganondorf. However I think if such a poll were
to be run with Link characters it'd fall into the category of... God
with 85%: Link. Everybody else: 1 or 2% a pop. The whole idea of why I think you can read into this poll is that there are clear tiers in it. Princess Peach simply isn't the type of person to gather votes in a SFF favorites poll setting If she can't be the favorite among her own for beans, why is she likely to be preferred to strong characters from other fanbases in the case of the multi-fanbase overlap? It's like HM said, if she faced a strong competitor she'd likely collapse. I honestly think she'd struggle with strong fodder, though. (as evidenced by my pick of Lloyd Irving up yonder) --- Raiden is still [-29] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=25457391 |
| therealmnm | Posted 3/31/2006 1:32:32 AM | message detail |
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It would be interesting to look at, but have there been any
characters who performed last, or nearly last, in those character polls
and actually had some strength? How many polls do you see that have as many popular characters as a "favorite Mario character" poll? Here's one for you. Let's say that CJayC decided to do a "favorite Super Smash Bros." character or "main" character, and let's say it ended up like this (completely arbitrary): o Mario 18% o Donkey Kong 5% o Fox 7% o Kirby 9% o Link 27% o Pikachu 3% o Samus 11% o Yoshi 20% Would you be saying that Donkey Kong was complete fodder because he barely scored higher than Pikachu? Would you suddenly doubt the strength of Kirby? This poll says nothing about how any of the individual characters would do in a one-on-one poll, especially against a character OUTSIDE of their fanbase. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| Kaxon | Posted 3/31/2006 1:35:08 AM | message detail |
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Believe me, I thought of Ganondorf. However I think if such a poll
were to be run with Link characters it'd fall into the category of...
God with 85%: Link. Everybody else: 1 or 2% a pop. Yeah... I was about to create a ticket suggesting that poll, and then I realized, I don't actually want to see it. It would be amusing, though, if someone like Epona managed to get more votes than Ganondorf. --- Nominate Aeris for SC2k6 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751 |
| therealmnm | Posted 3/31/2006 1:40:04 AM | message detail |
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If she can't be the favorite among her own for beans, why is she
likely to be preferred to strong characters from other fanbases in the
case of the multi-fanbase overlap? Because you can't tell whatsoever how those voters would support her in the absence of the others. Remember, each voter can only vote ONCE! If they like any of those other characters better than Peach, then their support for her simply can't show. Why would she be preferred to strong characters from other fanbases? Are you trying to say that people from her fanbase would just up and vote for a character from ANOTHER fanbase? Things usually don't work that way... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 3/31/2006 1:40:53 AM | message detail |
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Would you be saying that Donkey Kong was complete fodder because he
barely scored higher than Pikachu? Would you suddenly doubt the
strength of Kirby? If it were a poll asking about Smash Bros. characters, no. There are quite a few factors that would go into that and some popular Nintendo characters just are not exactly fun to play as in SSB. This poll says nothing about how any of the individual characters would do in a one-on-one poll, especially against a character OUTSIDE of their fanbase. I certainly would not use this poll as means to say that Peach would be fodder, though there is not any real problem with bringing it up. I made a note to bring up the poll with Vincent, after all. It should certainly not be the deciding factor for someone deciding whether or not Peach would be strong or weak, but if you believe she would not be all that strong to begin with the poll itself does not exactly inspire any confidence. I, myself, do not think the poll is something that should really have a ton of attention on it. There are plenty of other reasons why Peach would be weak outside of that poll. I think the extent of her strength is merely the fact that she is recognizable enough to beat fodder that no one cares about. If she has to face anyone that people care about or anyone that has strength, I think she would more or less collapse. It is clear she is not a big favorite among the Mario fanbase, but it is also clear to me that there is no reason to care about Peach at all. --- "Outside the dream world, life can be harsh -- even cruel, but it is life." -- Auron |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/31/2006 1:43:12 AM | message detail |
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Holy sweet mother of Jesus, does Kingdom Hearts 2 kick ass. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Kingdom Hearts 2, FF4A, Deus Ex, C&C |
| Lopen | Posted 3/31/2006 1:43:49 AM | message detail |
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The thing with a hypothetical poll is that it's just that: hypothetical. Sure, the poll could
unfold like that, but I don't really think it would. Not to say I
couldn't see strong character X getting a low % in a SSBM poll, but
said character would probably be in the company of many other strong
characters in said SSBM poll. And for the record I'd also think that Pikachu would clearly be below the mentioned chunk of strong SSBM characters. --- Raiden is still [-29] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=25457391 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 3/31/2006 1:45:11 AM | message detail |
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Holy sweet mother of Jesus, does Kingdom Hearts 2 kick ass. Have you happened to get to the Olympus Coliseum yet? --- "Outside the dream world, life can be harsh -- even cruel, but it is life." -- Auron |
| therealmnm | Posted 3/31/2006 1:53:45 AM | message detail |
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I just beat Olympus Coliseum... Disney Castle seems like a good place
to stop for the night. Yeah, the gameplay is much better, but I'm not
getting the same overall effect that I did when playing Kingdom Hearts. I'm assuming Auron will have a bigger role later on in the game? Because if that was the peak of his contribution... I'm not really impressed. Cloud stood out much more in his first appearance in KH. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/31/2006 1:55:56 AM | message detail |
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No, I'm just now about to get Sora. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Kingdom Hearts 2, FF4A, Deus Ex, C&C |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 3/31/2006 1:56:46 AM | message detail |
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He does have another role later in the game, yes. But as far as not being impressed ... I thought that was the coolest role of any FF character. Everything about that portion reeked of "badass" and "awesome." --- "Outside the dream world, life can be harsh -- even cruel, but it is life." -- Auron |
| Lopen | Posted 3/31/2006 1:59:27 AM | message detail |
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Are you trying to say that people from her fanbase would just up and vote for a character from ANOTHER fanbase? I'm saying that "her fanbase" doesn't exist in any significant form. I'm saying that she likely has a slight support from people who like Mario and that's all. Of course people that like the Mario series don't just like the Mario series. They like other games. I'm a random voter. I like Mario Bros. I also like Tales of Symphonia, Ninja Gaiden, Final Fantasy... tons of games. I may vote Peach over Vyse, or maybe Serious Sam, I've never played their games. Sure, Vincent wasn't my favorite character by any means, but I'm definitely gonna vote him over Peach! Lloyd Irving, he was a cool dude. He used two swords for twice the power! I'm gonna vote Lloyd now! Okay... mini-rant over. My point is that almost every "Peach fan" is going to be like this if I'm right. Un-loyal to the max. And yeah, like HM, I'm not really basing my entire assumption off the poll... it's more that the poll supports what I've observed about the Mario fanbase in life, so I use it to help my point. --- Raiden is still [-29] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=25457391 |
| therealmnm | Posted 3/31/2006 1:59:35 AM | message detail |
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Nah, he had nothing on Cloud and Squall in KH. "IT'S OVER!" by itself beats anything that Auron has done so far. <_< --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/31/2006 1:59:54 AM | message detail |
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Pray.... NOW! This... is your world now. ...let's end this. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Kingdom Hearts 2, FF4A, Deus Ex, C&C |
| Lopen | Posted 3/31/2006 2:00:28 AM | message detail |
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Damn it. I need KH2... I feel so left out... *sniff* --- Raiden is still [-29] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=25457391 |
| therealmnm | Posted 3/31/2006 2:02:37 AM | message detail |
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"Revolver Ocelot is a cool character. He's in every Metal Gear Solid
game and he kicks ass! I'm going to vote for him now. Wait, he's losing
to PAC-MAN?" Seriously... I'm done talking about Peach. This is
pointless. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: KH2, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC (wow, my PS2 is actually getting play!) |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 3/31/2006 2:03:33 AM | message detail |
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This is my story -- and you're not a part of it. --- "Outside the dream world, life can be harsh -- even cruel, but it is life." -- Auron |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/31/2006 2:03:42 AM | message detail |
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I have no sympathy for you, Peach hater. And I agree that she wouldn't be high on the pecking order, but super fodder? Please. She's had a fanbase since Mario 2, and recent stats indicate that the older gamers are siding with old-school Nintendo. I'd put her at a decent midcarder spot, around where Riku and Diablo are. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Kingdom Hearts 2, FF4A, Deus Ex, C&C |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 3/31/2006 2:05:12 AM | message detail |
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Looking at the KH2 board, there seems to be nothing but "Auron is such a badass" going around when they get to that part. He is so taking out Link. --- "Outside the dream world, life can be harsh -- even cruel, but it is life." -- Auron |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 3/31/2006 2:08:15 AM | message detail |
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Eh, I would put Peach down far more than the Riku - Diablo area,
personally. I think that is getting into the area where people care
about characters and those characters actually have some strength to
them. I really do not see Peach as having any "fans" to the point of
having any type of notable strength in a contest. I think the fact that
she is recognizable is more prominent with her than any actual fanbase. --- "Outside the dream world, life can be harsh -- even cruel, but it is life." -- Auron |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/31/2006 5:07:03 AM | message detail |
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Meh, that favorites poll, if not, all favorites poll don't show how
strong a character is. Do you see Yoshi's percentage? That right there
should tell you it's unreliable, otherwise Yoshi would be creaming
Bowser and Mario. Getting more low votes than other Mario characters
doesn't mean the ones who got the most (Yoshi) wouldn't vote her over a
non-Mario character. It just doesn't work like a ladder of strength. --- "People who play RPGs are depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games" - Hiroshi Yamauchi |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/31/2006 5:13:10 AM | message detail |
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My point is that almost every "Peach fan" is going to be like this if I'm right. Un-loyal to the max. That doesn't exactly work either. Not every voter is going to be like that, and of course, not every voter is going to be like my description. Saying that, it pretty much at least balances Peach over fodder maybe? --- "People who play RPGs are depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games" - Hiroshi Yamauchi |
| Who Cares? | Posted 3/31/2006 5:32:22 AM | message detail |
| Scanning this whole Peach/favorite character poll business, I'm surprised nobody's brought up M. Bison. Finished tied for 8th in a 12 character poll & didn't even get 3%. Yet in his one and only contest, he performed as well as the characters who finished 2nd & 3rd in the poll. A good example of someone that has solid popularity without anyone really calling them their favorite character. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 3/31/2006 6:10:40 AM | message detail |
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I doubt Peach would be stronger than Wario myself, and from the looks
of 2003, Wario would struggle to break the fodder line. She has
recognizability and that helps, but you really don't see many big Peach
fans around. However, I'm tired of arguing about her. I personally see
no reason why she'd do anything other than break the fodder line, but
whatever. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 3/31/2006 6:17:01 AM | message detail |
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Also, I'm really wanting Kingdom Hearts II. I saw a cutscene directly
after leaving the Tron world on YouTube. I'm liking the more
mature-sounding Sora. And I saw an older trailer of KHII, which shows Auron nearly hacking Hercules's face off. That was awesome. Saw GameSpot's video review and I saw Sora and Auron's "Limit Break," which was also very cool-looking. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| voltch | Posted 3/31/2006 9:48:37 AM | message detail |
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so if KHII is that good then square>nintendp come summertime? excluding link of course. --- Kilroy:Their fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft. BrentfordFC-championship here we come |
| NewLib | Posted 3/31/2006 10:16:26 AM | message detail |
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Its a marvel of the combo of graphics, sound, presentation, storyline. The gameplay at its heart is fun and addicting. But there is ZERO challenge. None. Zippo. Nada. I dont think it deserves a 7.4, especially because of the way IGN has overrated other worst games. But a game must have some challenge to be great and thus this game is mearly good. |
| Fire | Posted 3/31/2006 1:29:46 PM | message detail |
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... One of the last things I care about in a game is
difficulty, whether it be hard or easy. A game can be "great" and not
provide very much in the way of challenge. --- Yuna: Stay with me, until the end. Please. Tidus: Not until the end... always. |
| Kaxon | Posted 3/31/2006 2:42:28 PM | message detail |
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All this talk of KH2 is kind of making me want to play, but I never
finished KH1 because I got bored in Tarzan land. Is that a bad part of
the game or is it just not the game for me? --- Nominate Aeris for SC2k6 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751 |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 3/31/2006 2:48:24 PM | message detail |
| KH sucks ass up until Hercules World which is right after Tarzan Land. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 3/31/2006 2:49:29 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, the Deep Jungle blows. I never understood why it was included in
the first place. It serves no purpose, even in the context of the
storyline. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |