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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 279
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/27/2006 6:12:08 PM | Message Detail
In order of least capable to bomb to most capable:

Sub-Zero
Raiden
Nightmare
Captain Falcon
Prince of Persia
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From: MasterMoltar | Posted: 3/27/2006 6:23:30 PM | Message Detail
Just popping in to say I'm loving the current poll result.

As for least likely to bomb to most likely to bomb.

Sub-Zero (We know he's just as strong as Scorps, if not above him. Still, I don't think the two would be too far from each other)
Raiden
Captain Falcon
Prince of Persia
Nightmare (As much as I hate to say it, it's Nightmare. I'd love to see him get in though.
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From: BonerfaceMcGee | Posted: 3/27/2006 6:34:02 PM | Message Detail
Least Capable To Bomb

Sub-Zero (Guaranteed to be of equal strength of Scorp, if not better, which I doubt, but that's not the point.)

Raiden (I really don't see how he can completely bomb when Snake was capable of pulling so much just from MGS, and he is basically the main character of MGS2)

Prince of Persia (Don't see him being lower than Kratos, but if he is, not by much at all, and that's with Kratos being underrated)

Captain Falcon (Will draw exclusively from SSB/M his character is pretty non-apparent in F-Zero, aside from GX, but even then it's pretty sad. Best. Voice Acting. Ever?)

Nightmare (GameFAQs just doesn't seem to be into fighting characters not from SFII, sure Soul Calibur performed decently in the Spring contest, but as it's been shown many times game =/= character, and I have a feeling this is one of the times it could be true.)

Most Capable To Bomb

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lol my face is so hard rite now
From: trannyscience | Posted: 3/27/2006 6:35:28 PM | Message Detail
man, the more I think about it, the more shocked I am that Yoshi's winning by this much; I mean, Mega Man got 68% on Yoshi. by the looks of it, Yoshi would get 27% at the very least. could Mega Man outperform
Mario on Yoshi?

yeah, I'm reading too much into this, but it's still interesting. I always thought the 2001 poll was somewhat of a fluke.


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xyzzy
From: trannyscience | Posted: 3/27/2006 6:37:03 PM | Message Detail
as for most capable to bomb, it's Nightmare followed by POP. the only two that I have confidence won't bomb are Sub-Zero and Raiden.
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xyzzy
From: BonerfaceMcGee | Posted: 3/27/2006 6:40:52 PM | Message Detail
Well I know one person who won't bomb. Kerrigan. I mean damn, just look at Starcraft!

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lol my face is so hard rite now
From: trannyscience | Posted: 3/27/2006 6:42:25 PM | Message Detail
the POP fanboy is defensive !!
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xyzzy
From: Mumei | Posted: 3/27/2006 6:42:37 PM | Message Detail
;-;

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From: BonerfaceMcGee | Posted: 3/27/2006 6:43:04 PM | Message Detail
Your mother's defensive ! !

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lol my face is so hard rite now
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/27/2006 7:07:31 PM | Message Detail
Mega Man > Mario by the common opponent of Yoshi is very realistic, actually. Considering how Bowser did against Mario and that Bowser beat Yoshi, hey, it's hard to ignore. Yoshi's not SFF-proof either -- we saw both Mega Man and Link get some action on SFF'ing Yoshi in the past. This poll is the only thing that stands in the way of it, actually, which could be enough...but still, very possible.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 3/27/2006 8:08:28 PM | Message Detail
I can't believe people are trying to find any more of a concrete reason for Mario going up in this poll other than the fact that he just doesn't get anti-voted like he used to. Remember Mario/Servbot?

Oh, and Nightmare is the most likely to bomb, followed by Raiden, followed by the Prince. Subby and Falcon are almost assured of going over the fodder line.
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From: Kaxon | Posted: 3/27/2006 8:39:02 PM | Message Detail
I can't believe people are trying to find any more of a concrete reason for Mario going up in this poll other than the fact that he just doesn't get anti-voted like he used to. Remember Mario/Servbot?

The concept of anti-voting doesn't really apply in an 8-way poll. Getting less hate may mean Mario gains some votes when he's up against one opponent, but there's a big difference between being not hated and being someone's favorite out of 8 characters.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 3/27/2006 10:04:53 PM | Message Detail
I seriously thought mnm stole my sig for a second there.

Hmmm, I honestly didn't notice. I didn't feel like thinking of something witty to put in my sig (my binary quote had been in it for years), so I just decided to put down current games I'm playing.

I can't believe people are trying to find any more of a concrete reason for Mario going up in this poll other than the fact that he just doesn't get anti-voted like he used to. Remember Mario/Servbot?

What Kaxon said. I was thinking along those lines but it really doesn't make sense. Anti-votes fading don't really mean an improvement, since there are still other characters to receive most of those votes. For Mario to gain, anti-voters would have to 180 and say that Mario has become their favorite. Not likely...

As for character most likely to bomb, it's about time people are admitting that Nightmare definitely has the biggest chance. Anytime you are trying to figure out who the best representative for a series is, it usually doesn't fare well. Soul Calibur is definitely more liked for it's gameplay than it's characters. None of it's characters really stand out enough for them to be above your typical midcarder. Tommy Vercetti would probably be Nightmare's ceiling. I don't see him being able to beat anybody above him in the 2k5 stats.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 3/27/2006 10:08:06 PM | Message Detail
I do agree that the general anti-Mario sentiment has faded from this site though. Probably the cause of my underestimation of him in 2k5. Mario pretty much had a target on his ass throughout all of 2k2 and 2k3, and it boiled over with his 2k4 whipping by Crono. After that match, it seems like the anti-Mario spirits have been released.
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From: Zack | Posted: 3/27/2006 11:01:00 PM | Message Detail
Who the hell likes Wakka, Lulu, or Rikku?

Wakka and Lulu are awesome, cretin!

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From: Zack | Posted: 3/27/2006 11:04:05 PM | Message Detail
In order from least capable of bombing to most capable of bombing ...

Sub-Zero
Raiden
Captain Falcon
Prince of Persia
Nightmare

The Prince and Nightmare, in particular, strike me as the two who are most likely to bomb in a contest setting. I think the minimum for the others would be enough to be above "bombing."

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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/27/2006 11:19:00 PM | Message Detail
Seeing Soul Calibur get #51 and go toe-to-toe with KH (no matter where it's at in the stats) gives me some faith in Nightmare, then SC2 is one of the biggest fighters in a long time and is most likely more popular than the original. I know SC3 is now out, too, though I don't know how well it was recieved or how it sold. I know Nightmare was in all of them though and seems to be well-liked by the fanbase, so -- even if he's not the Ryu of his series -- he should be amongst the Ken's, Chun-Li's, and M. Bison's of it. I don't fret about him bombing, though he's not gonna be an all-star by any means.

Here's some fun, by the way: SF2 was the only SF game on the Top 100 List and drop-down box, and it placed #47. SC1 was the only SC game on the Top 100 List and drop-down box, and it placed #51. How much better could SC2 have done? Same goes for Mortal Kombat (#58) -- how much better could MK2 have done?
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From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 3/27/2006 11:53:27 PM | Message Detail
From the new Daily Grind that just went up.

So, how've you been? Me, I've been busy. But, the fruits of my labor should go live in the next few weeks. The bulk of the work is done, although in any programming project, the first 95% takes just 5% of your efforts...

A new programming project, just in time for Spring Contest season? Does anyone know what CJay has up his sleeve here?

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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/28/2006 2:51:17 AM | Message Detail
I was wondering when console would get into the alt-trolling business. Sad.

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From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 3/28/2006 3:07:08 AM | Message Detail
I don't know. I don't think something for the contest would merit such "fanfare" from him. If anything it seems to me that him being busy is an indicator of a lack of a Spring Contest....
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From: Who Cares? | Posted: 3/28/2006 5:48:41 AM | Message Detail
...But Ceej is always busy, I wouldn't think he just sits back does nothing but put up match pics during contest season. IMO, if we don't see an announcement by as late as next week (Since last year's April 4th), then we most likely won't have one.
From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 3/28/2006 8:21:16 AM | Message Detail
And ZELL is the second most favorite character in the game? Chicken Wuss > Sorcerer's Lap Dog?

Zell owns your soul. He's MY second favorite character from the game.

Also, people are confident Raiden won't bomb? Are you serious? Honestly, he still has the "He's not Solid Snake and I hate him for that" factor to overcome. He seriously could still be fodder, and I wouldn't be surprised at all.

I'm sad about the lack of more favorites polls. Somebody needs to suggest a string of them to Ceej.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 3/28/2006 8:26:03 AM | Message Detail
Also interesting to note that Yoshimitsu won the favorite Tekken 4 character poll.

Cid came in 4th in the favorite FFVII character poll, eh? I really wouldn't be surprised if he were the next strongest after Tifa/Aeris/Vincent.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 3/28/2006 8:38:35 AM | Message Detail
Final differential between Mario favorites polls:

Bowser: -0.88
Luigi: -0.32
Mario: +7.36
Princess Peach: -1.08
Toad: -2.41
Waluigi: -0.95
Wario: -2.31
Yoshi: +0.58

Biggest gain: Mario, obviously. Yoshi is the only other character to go up at all.
Biggest loss: Toad, followed closely by Wario. It seems that Mario stole away a lot of their favorites, heh.
Most stable: Luigi
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
From: Tom Bombadil | Posted: 3/28/2006 8:44:25 AM | Message Detail
Question. Does Ulti's site have a link for every character ever in a contest? It says he doesn't have bios up for everybody, but does he have pages for them all anyway?
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From: SquallidSnake | Posted: 3/28/2006 8:45:50 AM | Message Detail
Not yet.
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From: Tom Bombadil | Posted: 3/28/2006 8:47:34 AM | Message Detail
Thanks. In that case, does anybody know off the top of their head how many characters total have appeared in contests? I don't need the list, just the number...
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From: SephirothG | Posted: 3/28/2006 8:50:03 AM | Message Detail
Cid came in 4th in the favorite FFVII character poll, eh? I really wouldn't be surprised if he were the next strongest after Tifa/Aeris/Vincent.

Ahem: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26993753

Question: How badly would Vivi wreck everyone in an FFIX poll (sans Kuja)?
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From: SquallidSnake | Posted: 3/28/2006 8:51:51 AM | Message Detail
135, if you're only counting the Summer Contest. 157, counting the Villains Contest.

Granted, I counted really quickly, but I think that's right.
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From: SquallidSnake | Posted: 3/28/2006 8:54:21 AM | Message Detail
I ain't got space to nominate Cid, and I wouldn't really anyway if I did. I'm not a big fan. I've just always been one of the people who thought Cid would be more popular than Red XIII, though taking a favorites poll at face value is dangerous.

Also, Sabin was second in the favorite FFVI poll? Rather surprising.

Vivi in a favorite FFIX character poll? With or without Kuja, I think he gets 30-40%.
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 3/28/2006 9:49:03 AM | Message Detail
Biggest gain: Mario, obviously. Yoshi is the only other character to go up at all.

Interesting. Perhaps the value we have for Yoshi undestimates him. How strong is Yoshi-through-Ocelot?
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From: SquallidSnake | Posted: 3/28/2006 11:30:20 AM | Message Detail
It's very difficult to say where Yoshi is based on Ocelot because he SFF'd Pac-Man. Based on Laharl, he had a meager gain (a little below Tidus).

If we keep him in the same proportion to Luigi in 2004, Yoshi stands at a little below 2005 Kirby, meaning he'd do MUCH better against Bowser in a rematch (or that Bowser SFF'd him, one of the two). If we keep him at the same proportion to Bowser in 2003, he's almost exactly equal to Magus, which is about half a percent above Luigi.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 3/28/2006 12:07:00 PM | Message Detail
I wouldn't base anything on Laharl myself...
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 3/28/2006 12:12:09 PM | Message Detail
I'm just saying that Laharl is the only gauge we could really use for Yoshi without resorting to proportions.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
From: consolefreak | Posted: 3/28/2006 12:28:58 PM | Message Detail
I was wondering when console would get into the alt-trolling business. Sad.

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Which post would you be referring to? By all means, I don't need alts to state my business. I believe this, at least, I have shown more than enough.

I'm not sure I'm following though. I've been keeping up with the topic and haven't seen any trolling going on. More lies?

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From: voltch | Posted: 3/28/2006 12:37:03 PM | Message Detail
so let me get this straight.
according to yesterday's poll
Yoshi>Mario?
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BrentfordFC-championship here we come
From: voltch | Posted: 3/28/2006 12:37:03 PM | Message Detail
so let me get this straight.
according to yesterday's poll
Yoshi>Mario?
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Kilroy:Their fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft.
BrentfordFC-championship here we come
From: SephirothG | Posted: 3/28/2006 1:17:13 PM | Message Detail
Yes

and Magus > Crono

probably Knuckles > Sonic, too.

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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 3/28/2006 1:18:08 PM | Message Detail
I don't believe we've ever had a favorite Chrono Trigger character poll, but yes, Knuckles did win an ancient Favorite Sonic Character poll.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
From: SephirothG | Posted: 3/28/2006 1:36:56 PM | Message Detail
Here's some similar polls for us to gawk at:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3 o_0
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=73
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=141
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=361
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=365
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=366 o_0
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=520
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=521
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=522
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=523
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=524
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=525
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=576
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=577 XD
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=580
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=581 Sonic
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=582
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=762
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=840
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=841
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=842
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=843
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=844
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=845
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=846
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=847
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=883
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=884

These are all the "useful" pre-contest polls I found going through them quickly.
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 3/28/2006 1:47:07 PM | Message Detail
I know we normally don't give favorites polls any mind, but the game polls seem to hold up rather well from what we've seen. I noticed that Sonic & Knuckles won the Favorite Sonic Game poll. Would it do better than Sonic 2, just by itself?
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
From: therealmnm | Posted: 3/28/2006 1:47:33 PM | Message Detail
Someone should keep an archive of the favorite's polls, preferably with a description being a hotlink to the poll.

Favorite FF Poll 1
Favorite FF Poll 2
etc.

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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 3/28/2006 1:48:24 PM | Message Detail
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 3/28/2006 1:48:29 PM | Message Detail
I'm assuming TRE would take care of that, if he hasn't already entered the information into his database.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
From: therealmnm | Posted: 3/28/2006 1:49:26 PM | Message Detail
I know we normally don't give favorites polls any mind, but the game polls seem to hold up rather well from what we've seen. I noticed that Sonic & Knuckles won the Favorite Sonic Game poll. Would it do better than Sonic 2, just by itself?

Most likely. The name itself involving Knuckles is sure to draw more votes for it than Sonic 2. Knux is just that awesome.
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 3/28/2006 1:50:16 PM | Message Detail
Well, I know a lot of people believe Sonic 3 & Knuckles could outdo Sonic 2. I was just wondering if people thought S&K all by its lonesome could do it.

And where do you see SA2:B fitting into the equation?
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
From: Buy A Dreamcast | Posted: 3/28/2006 1:51:10 PM | Message Detail
Thinking about where Sonic games rank against each other makes my brain hurt, to be honest.
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From: SephirothG | Posted: 3/28/2006 1:54:22 PM | Message Detail
There's way too many "Favorite FF Game" polls. There are other series out there.
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From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 3/28/2006 3:07:20 PM | Message Detail
There have been 155 distinct characters involved in Contests, according to the query I just ran on lol x-stats.

Secondofly, mayhaps this "secret programming project" CJay's dropping hints about is just a setup for some AFD gag?

Thirditivly, could you please keep your little war of words out of Stats, console and Ulti? That would be nice.

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From: SephirothG | Posted: 3/28/2006 3:09:49 PM | Message Detail
Here's some more:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1178
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1179
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1180
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1181
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1182
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1225
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1252
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1400
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1401 lol
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1424
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1443
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1444
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1445
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1446 no Kuja?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1453
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1454
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1528
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1573
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1600
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1788 *useful*
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1789
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1841
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1831
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1834
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2328

I probably missed a bunch but oh well.
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