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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 279
From: swirIdude | Posted: 3/24/2006 12:27:36 PM | Message Detail
Without Samus, Sonic wins in the next contest (even if Mario is in it :P)

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From: SquallidSnake | Posted: 3/24/2006 12:28:17 PM | Message Detail
This is the year Sonic beats somebody from the Noble Nine! Book it!
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From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 3/24/2006 12:30:48 PM | Message Detail
You're not alone Who, I think that's a very real possibility as well, and it would actually be a pretty good idea. Just look how unreliable our old stats from two years ago have become; it would be a good change of pace to go back and forth like that, IMO.

However, I do hope he holds off for one more year. I don't see Mario Bros, DoC, or KHII making any real waves in terms of the games themselves, but their ripple effect should have a strong impact on a ton of characters.

A Great Game Battle next summer though... can you imagine how insane that's going to be? All the classics, plus Twilight Princess, Final Fantasy XII, Smash Bros Revolution, and maybe Prime 3, Halo 360, and/or a new Mario for the Rev... wow!

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From: Haste2 | Posted: 3/24/2006 12:35:13 PM | Message Detail
I hate how practically only Nintendo and Square get more popular...

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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 3/24/2006 12:43:34 PM | Message Detail
Sonic and Knuckles got more popular last year, as did Snake. Plus, I think the next-gen Sonic game is going to be huge, if it's anything like Sega is harping it up to be.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 3/24/2006 12:49:56 PM | Message Detail
With the way Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog have gone, I'm starting to doubt Sega's judgement on what is good. If they mess up the next-gen Sonic game, I probably won't forgive them. They had it right with Sonic Adventure 2. People just wanted more Sonic/Shadow style levels.
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 3/24/2006 12:50:44 PM | Message Detail
And they're saying that's what next-gen Sonic is going to be like. They took a big step in the right direction with Sonic Rush.
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From: Kaxon | Posted: 3/24/2006 1:21:12 PM | Message Detail
I'm torn on that concept. Samus would completely demolish the field if she wasn't excluded, true, and a Mega/Crono/Sonic power battle is a good concept... But at the same time, having 5 of the 9 excluded just seems wrong. Very very wrong.

Personally, I just feel like the more we weaken the field the less interesting it gets. Part of the reason spring 2005 was such a bad contest is that the field was so weak. Taking out Cloud, Link, and Sephiroth made some sense because we'd been through two full contents where those three were miles ahead of everyone else (three contests for Link). But Mario and Samus don't fit that criterion by a long shot. There's only been one contest between now and the time Mario got his ass handed to him by Crono. Samus lost a match 60-40 last year, and it wasn't even to Link! Taking them out and effectively saying those two are too strong for the contest doesn't seem right to me.
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From: voltch | Posted: 3/24/2006 2:09:17 PM | Message Detail
let's just use the old format.
i like it when cloud and link smash half the field by such margins they make previous round characters look like pathetic pieces of ****. i mean when getting 30% on link is considered WOWZOMG good (ex:Magus) then you know the contest is more than weak.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/24/2006 2:35:24 PM | Message Detail
Man, I really wish there was some kind of experiment I could do like I did last year with GFA and HBO. I feel like we've drilled most of all discussion we can do, so...damn. Kinda bored, heh.

In one word or less, do you think Jay Solano will be seen in the next character contest?
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From: red sox 777 | Posted: 3/24/2006 3:22:53 PM | Message Detail
Taking out even more characters makes the victory hollow and creates fewer matches with very strong characters. Matches between Noble Nine characters generate more interest and excitement than matches between near-elite characters. Contrived matches are also generally less interesting than uncontrived matches, and while we can make a bracket difficult to predict, we cannot guarantee close matches, which can happen unexpectedly. Besides, upsets we don't see coming are the thing that most hurts brackets, and taking out characters denies the field the chance to pull off upsets. Crono can't beat Samus? Just like Mario couldn't beat Crono after losing in 2004, and Cloud had no chance against Link in 2003, right? After all, he lost to Mario, who couldn't even get 38% on Link.

Taking out Clinkeroth is reasonable, considering they have proven time and time again that they would destroy anything else, but taking out characters such as Mario and Samus is arbitrary considering they have never been a "true" champion, that is, they have never defeated the entire field; nor have they displayed excessive dominance. 53.84% is not an insurmountable margin. Mario's victory over the non-Clinkeroth field is not assured. And even if it is probable, the contest, and not the bracket-makers, is supposed to determine which character Gamefaqs likes best.

As for Samus, she performed 6% worse against the same opponent as Crono, and almost 3% worse than Solid Snake. It's a lot of SFF to view as assured enough to not even give Crono/Megaman/Sonic a chance. And her other matches in 2005? Yuri is an unknown and proves nothing, although her low vote total is interesting to note. Ganondorf is an SFF match, and if Mario can SFF Samus, Samus can SFF Ganon. And Frog? Well, Frog is hardly an accurate measure, considering he scored very similar scores against Liquid Snake, Master Chief, Solid Snake, and Riku. Of those 4, we don't really have an accurate extrapolation of Frog through any of them. (Speaking of Master Chief, it has been said that he overperformed against Crono. He got a similar percentage against Aeris in 2003; could he have overperformed there too? Felix being close to Luigi, above Yuna, and far above Isaac doesn't seem right.) It also seemed to me, at least, that Frog's picture against Samus was the least recognizable of his battle pictures. No sword was shown, and you could not tell that he was humanoid. I'm not ready to assume that Samus really suffered enough SFF in Mario/Samus so as to be able to crush the field with ease based on matches in 2004 and a match against Frog.

Personally, I am in favor of putting Clinkeroth back in the bracket. It would make winning the contest much harder, and therefore, much more valuable. I have no problem with getting 30%+ on Clinkeroth being seen as good. The contest would just have a real scale of strength instead of a watered down scale. And if you take out characters, where does it stop? Soon the whole N9 will be taken out, and then characters such as Bowser, Vincent, Ganon, etc. Eventually the contest will become a joke with all the characters who actually have the popularity to deserve winning shunted out. With a full bracket, we have a greater chance of close matches ocurring between Noble Niners within the main contest, where they ought to be. Inspired runs also gain more credibility. Unexpected close matches between N9 members have happened before, and year-to-year fluctuation can make it happen again. More matches featuring the strongest characters equals more votes, more interest, and more excitement. I'd rather have a final four of say, Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, and Mario than say Bowser, Vincent, Ganon, and Squall.

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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 3/24/2006 3:28:12 PM | Message Detail
I think I'm the only guy on the site who thinks this could possibly be the summer Ceej begins alternating between Games & the Great Character Battle.

I'd love for that to happen! There'd be so much more unpredictability in the contests that way, and people would be less likely to get tired of the Character Battles.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/24/2006 3:43:50 PM | Message Detail
I do not believe a picture of a frog named Frog in GameFAQs's #3 game lacking his sword is going to keep people from recognizing him as Frog.

Also, while Clinkeroth and Mario would make a better Final Four, there's no way I'd rather see the matches coming from that than the matches from Bowser/Ganon/Squall/Vincent.
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From: LessThan3Presea | Posted: 3/24/2006 5:00:54 PM | Message Detail
Well, you know what? You can have those matches in places OTHER than a Final Four!

Amazing concept!

Honestly, I think if you keep taking characters out, casual interest in the contest will drop. Those characters are the strongest for a reason.
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From: ApplesauceSign | Posted: 3/24/2006 5:10:19 PM | Message Detail
I don't really want to see Clinkeroth return to the field, but at the same time I don't want the rest of the field to continually be removed either (Mario included). I honestly believe Sonic would have a decent shot at Mario, not to say Mario wouldn't be the favorite, because I'd probably take him in the bracket, but I could see the upset occuring. Shadow did DAMN good on him, and we've seen that Shadow isn't as strong as he performed in that match, and well, Sonic is obviously more popular. Call it rSFF or whatever you want, but there's something about Sonic > Mario that's awesome. Personally I see myself voting Mario > a lot more characters than I would vote Sonic over. In a direct match-up I'd take Sonic though, it might be my Genesis loyalty, I don't really know what exactly, but there's something epic about seeing Sonic > Mario.


And to go in a completely different direction, do you think Nintendo will release numbers on the amount of downloads of old titles users download onto their Revolutions? And do you think this could have a significant effect on characters strengths, both Nintendo and Sega? (1,000 + Genesis games have been confirmed to be available on Rev)

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From: Big Bob | Posted: 3/24/2006 5:19:41 PM | Message Detail
BOLD PREDICTION:

Sonic > Crono in 2005
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/24/2006 6:15:44 PM | Message Detail
Sonic > Crono would be tempting. Crono could be upset by Mega Man, Sonic, or Samus. Heck, Solid could probably make it somewhat close this year (though by no means win).
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 3/24/2006 6:16:46 PM | Message Detail
Samus beating Crono wouldn't be an upset. If anything, she'd be the favorite.
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From: Meteorush | Posted: 3/24/2006 6:18:21 PM | Message Detail
Anyone who doesn't consider Samus the favorite over Crono is smoking something.

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From: therealmnm | Posted: 3/24/2006 6:19:16 PM | Message Detail
BOLD PREDICTION:

Sonic > Crono in 2005


That is rather bold... Wate u mess up?

Seriously, if Sonic ends up stronger than Crono and Mega Man this year, I can die a happy death!

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From: Meteorush | Posted: 3/24/2006 6:20:33 PM | Message Detail
Also note I'd take Crono & Megaman > Sonic, but contemplate Sonic > MM, as well as Sonic > Mario. At the same time I'd easily take Mario over anyone else, and Samus over anyone but Mario.

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From: therealmnm | Posted: 3/24/2006 6:24:38 PM | Message Detail
If it were 2k3/2k4 Mario performing, I could see Sonic making it close. But taking Mario for granted now based on those past performances can be deceiving. I'm still smarting from thinking Zero would take a large bite out of him in 2k5 based on those. Mario was obviously a different person from the one that let Shadow get 45% on him and letting Crono slap him silly.

Sonic definitely outperforms Mega Man against Mario though!
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 3/24/2006 6:26:11 PM | Message Detail
That was in response to your Applesauce post BTW...
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From: Meteorush | Posted: 3/24/2006 6:27:08 PM | Message Detail
Granted Mario's gotten stronger, but everything CT has weakened (or been exposed), and the Sonic crew has increased as well.

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From: Fire | Posted: 3/24/2006 6:57:25 PM | Message Detail
And do you think this could have a significant effect on characters strengths, both Nintendo and Sega?

Those might not be the only two companies we see taking advantage of the virtual console either. Someone in particular who seems to be always talked of when it comes to something related to emulation might seriously be able to take advantage of it. That somebody being Crono, of course.

But, I would say that some of the lesser Nintendo and Sega characters could potentially receive boosts, but I doubt it would affect any of the big name characters to a noticeable degree. We have seen collections and all that sort that combine all of the old games into one do little to nothing for well established characters, so you know ...

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From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 3/24/2006 7:31:20 PM | Message Detail
Granted Mario's gotten stronger, but everything CT has weakened (or been exposed)

Crono stayed at roughly equal strength from 2k4 to 2k5. Frog's ranking in 2k4 and 2k5 are unreliable so we have no idea how his strength changed. Magus' ranking in 2k3 and 2k4 are unreliable so we have no idea how he has changed from 2k3 to 2k4 to 2k5(he's still a good bit above Tidus so it's likely that Magus hasn't really changed much). There really isn't much proof of a Chrono Trigger decline. If Sonic is going to beat Crono, he's going to have to rely on his own strength increase rather than Crono decreasing.
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From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 3/24/2006 7:37:08 PM | Message Detail
(1,000 + Genesis games have been confirmed to be available on Rev)

Nay EC, you misread that a little bit.

Nintendo's Virtual Console will allow Revolution owners to download and play classic NES, SNES and Genesis games through the Revolution network. With a game library of more than 1,000 titles for the Genesis, SEGA is planning to provide a "best of" selection for gamers, enabling them to relive their favorite titles.

And I disagree that unbalancing the field should obviously be the solution to the Clinkeroth problem. If you're going to leave them in, it doesn't make sense to mess up the seedings and ruin a full bracket's strongest asset, the 'true' Link/Cloud final. Fine, stick Clinkerarioth all on one side and let half the Final Four be interesting, if you're willing to sit through the worst Championship in history.

Speaking of history, what's with this assumption that only Clinkeroth can create interest in a Contest? Even Ganondorf/Yuna drew 107,000 votes, only 8,000 less than an "all-star" battle like Mario/Seph. History has shown us that the only polls GameFAQs doesn't care about is fodder on fodder (which wouldn't have to happen even in a noNN) and big SFF affairs (Kirby/Bowser was actually the worst-attended match last Summer).

I can see no reason why Elite Eight battles like Ganon/Aeris, Bowser/Tifa, and Zelda/Squall would fail to challenge the 110k mark.

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From: ssknuxmagician | Posted: 3/24/2006 11:02:44 PM | Message Detail
New Question: What other possible Spring contests could we see besides besides best Female and best Game II? (even though Game II most likely won't happen)
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 3/24/2006 11:06:22 PM | Message Detail
Best Non-Humanoid Character!!

Sonic to the Tournament of Champions!!!
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 3/24/2006 11:15:51 PM | Message Detail
I am thinking more along the lines of "Best Spiky Haired Character."

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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/24/2006 11:44:47 PM | Message Detail
Best foul-mouthed squirrel contest?
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From: greatone10 | Posted: 3/24/2006 11:48:25 PM | Message Detail
Best lawyer with a red tie contest?
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From: PreseaCombatir | Posted: 3/24/2006 11:50:52 PM | Message Detail
Best character with Pink hair and uses an axe for a main weapon? >_>
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From: mr_BRIAN | Posted: 3/24/2006 11:52:43 PM | Message Detail
Best character with Pink hair that uses a spear for a main weapon!
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From: greatone10 | Posted: 3/25/2006 12:07:07 AM | Message Detail
How about Best Possessed Doll Contest?
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From: XIII_rocks | Posted: 3/25/2006 4:46:20 AM | Message Detail
MY FIRST EVER BOLD PREDICTION:

Though Square will inevitably boost this year, a combination of new Nintendo games and the first Post-DS contest will see another (smaller) Nintendo Boost that will counteract the Square boost to some degree.
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From: MarioSuperstar | Posted: 3/25/2006 5:26:21 AM | Message Detail
A best console contest?
Best sidekick?
Best.. uh, game company?
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From: Meteorush | Posted: 3/25/2006 9:31:05 AM | Message Detail
Crono stayed at roughly equal strength from 2k4 to 2k5. Frog's ranking in 2k4 and 2k5 are unreliable so we have no idea how his strength changed. Magus' ranking in 2k3 and 2k4 are unreliable so we have no idea how he has changed from 2k3 to 2k4 to 2k5(he's still a good bit above Tidus so it's likely that Magus hasn't really changed much). There really isn't much proof of a Chrono Trigger decline. If Sonic is going to beat Crono, he's going to have to rely on his own strength increase rather than Crono decreasing.

That's why I mentioned exposed as well. No doubt people are going to underrate Magus to holy hell last year, and I suspect many people to start yelling and cursing Magus to hell for losing to Knux and beating someone still relatively strong. The perception of Knux being weak is far too strong around here. Not neccesarily in this topic, but the board as a whole. And I would never take Sonic > Crono. At least not anytime soon.

Nay EC, you misread that a little bit.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO </pedro> ;_;

New Question: What other possible Spring contests could we see besides besides best Female and best Game II? (even though Game II most likely won't happen)

64 character (or game, but I'd prefer character) tag-team battle. It's the only way I see us having a contest that isn't completely fodderific in the Spring. With Ceej taking this long to announce a new contest (if there even is one, though I think there will be) it will have to be a field of 32, and the only way to make a field of 32 bracket is with gimmicks, gimmicks that will lead to fodder, with the exception of a tag-team contest.

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From: Kaxon | Posted: 3/25/2006 10:50:46 AM | Message Detail
And I disagree that unbalancing the field should obviously be the solution to the Clinkeroth problem. If you're going to leave them in, it doesn't make sense to mess up the seedings and ruin a full bracket's strongest asset, the 'true' Link/Cloud final. Fine, stick Clinkerarioth all on one side and let half the Final Four be interesting, if you're willing to sit through the worst Championship in history.

This reminds me of something I've thought about several times - what do people think is the ideal placement of the noble nine if we had another full bracket with all of them? Ignore everyone else and just place the NN. I think I'd do something like this:

1 Link
2 Sephiroth

1 Crono
2 Samus

1 Mario
3 Sonic
2 Mega Man

1 Cloud
2 Snake

This one tries to keep a balance between setting up good matches, preserving the Cloud/Link final, and not having the top characters face each other too early (aka realistic seeding). Sephiroth gets kind of screwed, but I don't feel too bad about that considering that he was given an entire contest of his own to dominate last year. This gives us Crono/Samus, the MM/Sonic rematch, a possible Sonic/Mario match, and it let's Snake finally face one of the big three (assuming he makes it there). The final four sucks, but that's the price you're always going to pay for having a Cloud/Link final.
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From: Buy A Dreamcast | Posted: 3/25/2006 10:53:53 AM | Message Detail

Though Square will inevitably boost this year, a combination of new Nintendo games and the first Post-DS contest will see another (smaller) Nintendo Boost that will counteract the Square boost to some degree.


First post-DS contest? The last summer contest took place after the DS had already been out for months.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/25/2006 11:03:41 AM | Message Detail
The only thing I don't like about that is that some of the magic of Mario/Cloud will be lost. It's hard to avoid that though sometimes.....
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From: Hufsa | Posted: 3/25/2006 11:25:27 AM | Message Detail
I quite like what Kaxon's got there, actually. Is that how you bracketmakers generally build your brackets: from the top down?
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From: voltch | Posted: 3/25/2006 11:41:17 AM | Message Detail
if chrono rigger had been released in europe would crono be stronger?

i'm sure the UK and europe mus account for at least 5-6% of the voting power with usa taking at least 80%
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From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 3/25/2006 12:46:55 PM | Message Detail
The only thing I don't like about that is that some of the magic of Mario/Cloud will be lost.

Unless Mario wins again. When was New Super Mario Bros. being released again? >_>

if chrono rigger had been released in europe would crono be stronger?

I can't see that hurting Crono, so yes. I wouldn't expect him to be that much stronger, though. The percentage of people that visit GameFAQs from Europe isn't that much and a good portion has probably played CT via emulation.
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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/25/2006 1:07:47 PM | Message Detail
1 Link
2 Sephiroth

1 Samus
2 Crono
3 Snake

1 Mario
2 Sonic

1 Cloud
2 Mega Man

That's a bit more ideal for those who really want to see Mario vs. Sonic, don't you think? The seeding also feels more realistic. Plus, to top it all off, Crono vs. Snake is huge casual bait. They'll pick Snake and Crono will win.
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From: mr_BRIAN | Posted: 3/25/2006 1:08:42 PM | Message Detail
...Chrono Rigger? That guy bombed way back in 2002.
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From: Kaxon | Posted: 3/25/2006 1:42:00 PM | Message Detail
If you really want to set up Mario/Sonic, I'd put Mega Man in the Crono/Samus division instead of the Cloud division, since he could have an interesting match against against one of them.

I realized that having Sephiroth face Link could give away the outcome of Link/Cloud, so it might be better to put Sephiroth in Cloud's division from that standpoint.
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From: charmander6000 | Posted: 3/25/2006 6:29:25 PM | Message Detail
Predict it plz

Division 1

1) Final Fantasy VII
16) Unreal Tournament 2004

8) The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
9) Street Fighter II

5) Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
12) Super Mario Sunshine

4) Metroid Prime
13) Madden NFL 2006

6) Resident Evil 4
11) Banjo Kazooie

3) Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
14) Hitman 2: Silent Assassin

7) Resident Evil 2
10) Tomb Raider

2) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
15) Duke Nukem 3D

Division 2

1) Halo 2
16) Radiant Silvergun

8) Earthbound
9) Pac-Man

5) Metal Gear Solid
12) Crystalis

4) GoldenEye 007
13) Advance Wars

6) Half-Life
11) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

3) Diablo II: Lord of Destruction
14) Call of Duty 2

7) F-Zero X
10) Mario and Luigi: SuperStar Saga

2) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
15) Ecco the Dolphin

Division 3

1) Super Smash Bros. Melee
16) Secret of Mana

8) Devil May Cry
9) Tales of Symphonia

5) Mega Man X
12) Star Fox 64

4) Sonic 3 & Knuckles
13) Zombies Ate My Neighbors

6) Super Smash Bros.
11) Final Fantasy IX

3) Soul Calibur II
14) Super Monkey Ball 2

7) Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back
10) Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal

2) StarCraft: Brood War
15) Pong

Division 4

1) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
16) Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 3

8) Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy
9) Ratchet and Clank: Up Your Arsenal

5) Chrono Cross
12) Sonic Adventure 2

4) Half-Life 2
13) Mike Tyson’s Punch-Out

6) Mario Kart 64
11) Dragon Quest VIII

3) Final Fantasy
14) Mario Party 2

7) Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos & The Frozen Throne
10) Animal Crossing

2) Halo: Combat Evolved
15) Ms. Pac-Man

Division 5

1) Super Mario Bros. 3
16) Breath of Fire III

8) Doom
9) Mortal Kombat

5) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
12) Kirby: Super Star

4) God of War
13) Rayman 2: The Great Escape

6) Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
11) Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse

3) Super Mario World
14) Viewtiful Joe

7) Metroid: Zero Mission
10) Ninja Gaiden

2) Final Fantasy X
15) Streets of Rage 2

Division 6

1) Final Fantasy VI
16) Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

8) Mega Man 3
9) Super Mario RPG

5) Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
12) Devil May Cry 3

4) Sonic the Hedgehog 2
13) Silent Hill

6) Final Fantasy Tactics
11) Grand Theft Auto III

3) Super Mario Bros.
14) Xenogears

7) The Sims
10) Prince of Persia: Sands of Time

2) The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
15) Dragon Warrior III

Division 7

1) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
16) Grim Fandango

8) Conker’s Bad Fur Day
9) Perfect Dark Zero

5) Mega Man 2
12) Perfect Dark

4) Donkey Kong County 2: Diddy’s Kong Quest
13) Sly Cooper and the Thievius Raccoonus

6) The Legend of Zelda
11) Tales of Phantasia

3) Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
14) Tom Clancy’s Splinter Cell Chaos Theory

7) Tetris
10) Contra

2) Kingdom Hearts
15) Civilization IV

Division 8

1) Chrono Trigger
16) Harvest Moon 64

8) The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX
9) Lumines

5) Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
12) Soul Calibur

4) Super Mario World 2: Yoshi’s Island
13) Tekken 3

6) Super Metroid
11) Marvel vs Capcom 2

3) Final Fantasy VIII
14) Golden Sun

7) Pikmin 2
10) Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec

2) Super Mario 64
15) Deus Ex

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"I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 3/25/2006 7:03:24 PM | Message Detail
Sorry if that sounded a little rude, but I was really close to the max characters.

I tried my best to avoid SFF matches and 41 games returned to the field. I also included at least one game from each major system.
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"I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush
From: therealmnm | Posted: 3/25/2006 7:12:20 PM | Message Detail
Division 1

1) Final Fantasy VII
8) The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
12) Super Mario Sunshine
4) Metroid Prime
6) Resident Evil 4
3) Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
7) Resident Evil 2
2) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker

Division 2

1) Halo 2
8) Earthbound
5) Metal Gear Solid
4) GoldenEye 007
6) Half-Life
3) Diablo II: Lord of Destruction
10) Mario and Luigi: SuperStar Saga
2) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas

Division 3

1) Super Smash Bros. Melee
8) Devil May Cry
5) Mega Man X
4) Sonic 3 & Knuckles
6) Super Smash Bros.
3) Soul Calibur II
10) Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal
2) StarCraft: Brood War

Division 4

1) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
8) Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy
12) Sonic Adventure 2
4) Half-Life 2
6) Mario Kart 64
3) Final Fantasy
7) Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos & The Frozen Throne
2) Halo: Combat Evolved

Division 5

1) Super Mario Bros. 3
9) Mortal Kombat
5) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
4) God of War
11) Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse
3) Super Mario World
7) Metroid: Zero Mission
2) Final Fantasy X

Division 6

1) Final Fantasy VI
9) Super Mario RPG
12) Devil May Cry 3
4) Sonic the Hedgehog 2
6) Final Fantasy Tactics
3) Super Mario Bros.
10) Prince of Persia: Sands of Time
2) The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask

Division 7

1) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
9) Perfect Dark Zero
5) Mega Man 2
4) Donkey Kong County 2: Diddy’s Kong Quest
6) The Legend of Zelda
3) Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
7) Tetris
2) Kingdom Hearts

Division 8

1) Chrono Trigger
8) The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX
5) Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
4) Super Mario World 2: Yoshi’s Island
6) Super Metroid
3) Final Fantasy VIII
10) Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
2) Super Mario 64

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1) Final Fantasy VII
5) Metal Gear Solid
1) Super Smash Bros. Melee
1) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
1) Super Mario Bros. 3
1) Final Fantasy VI
1) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
1) Chrono Trigger
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