*laughs at Mortal Kombat 4 barely beating Mortal Kombat Mythologies*
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

*laughs at FFVIII being the most disliked Final Fantasy* >_>
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That's not a surprise, to be honest. I have noticed that FFIX and FFX seem to be dropping in percentage in subsequent favorites polls.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

1) I know alot of people want to think Sub-Zero will hardly be different from Scorpion...but check the polls:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=73
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=840
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1788

I'll give you that Sub-Zero and Scorpion have a closer relationship to each other than Ryu/Ken in the polls, but you also have to see that Sub-Zero dominates his poll more than Ryu did his first poll and almost as much in his second poll. Also, with Sub-Zero and Scorpion arguably being more similar than Ryu/Ken to gamers, who's to say Sub-Zero couldn't recieve more votes than Scorpion in a one-on-one match against a common opponent? With that kind of logic, Scorpion and Sub-Zero were splitting votes in that poll...and, since they're so similar, Scorpion-voters would be more likely to vote for Sub-Zero.

I just don't like seeing people say Sub-Zero won't do better than Scorpion when there's a very good chance, that's all.


2) Mog probably wouldn't be so bad of a contender afterall:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=847

On top of already outdoing Terra (who flopped, granted), Mog also has several appearances in the FF series and such. Still fodder, but Mog wouldn't be too bad to see in a contest. It'd actually be interesting to put him in as a 7-seed against potential busts that could seed high, like PoP or Nightmare.


3) I mentioned it earlier in the topic...but SF2 was the only SF game on the drop-down list, and it got #47. MK1 was the only MK game on the drop-down list, and it got #58. Here:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1789

How would MK2 have fared if it was in MK1's place for the drop-down list?
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Actually there are 156 different characters
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I know alot of people want to think Sub-Zero will hardly be different from Scorpion...but check the polls:

You have to take into account that most of the original MK characters suck, while the SFII characters are generally better received.
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We need a Street Fighter poll with Akuma in it. That would be really interesting.

Missed a few

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2038
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1547
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That gives me a thought: How good would TMNT IV do?
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That gives me a thought: How good would TMNT IV do?

Seeing how well the Simpsons did... I dunno. Beat 'em ups are pretty much on the backburner as far as this generation goes. Gamers that started with the N64/PS1 and up probably could care less about Ninja Turtle games. And even those that are fans of it won't necessarily put it above a Street Fighter II or something, let alone more popular games ABOVE Street Fighter II in the X-stats. I say it barely breaks 20%.
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1) I know alot of people want to think Sub-Zero will hardly be different from Scorpion...but check the polls:

LOL YOSHI > MARIO, FF6 > FF7.

Srsly, those polls really don't mean much.

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People want to consider an adjustment for Yoshi after that poll?

Um, you all made this mistake once already. Bowser > Yoshi 2003 FTW.

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Sub had 42.5% in a seven-character poll, Yoshi had 27% in an eight-character poll. Big difference.
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People want to consider an adjustment for Yoshi after that poll?

Um, you all made this mistake once already. Bowser > Yoshi 2003 FTW.

Indeed...but as we saw in 2k4, Yoshi > Luigi, and 2k5's stats don't really agree with that.
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I nominated Mog last year and will do it again this year. I'd do one of those rally thingies, but I don't see a whole lot of support and I've already got Jay Solano on my plate.

he's got my support though!

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Sub had 42.5% in a seven-character poll, Yoshi had 27% in an eight-character poll. Big difference.

Mario is also a lot stronger of a character than Sub could ever hope to be. I will never take anything from a poll of that calibur seriously when relating it to character strengths in a potential contest setting.

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Sub-Zero and Scorp would get about the same support in contest....

But I'd gotta believe 1-on-1 Subby would win, even if Scorp does better vs random opponents (SFF?).


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You guys are still using stats?
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Favorite character polls not only have lots of characters, but they're also filled with SFF - so as far as I'm concerned Sub-Zero's 42% says next to nothing about his contest strength.
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The MK fanbase is much less varied than the Mario fanbase, too. The MK series has, what, maybe three games that aren't true fighters. Sub-Zero -- by himself -- also almost beat Scorpion + five other characters simultaniously. Sub-Zero's ranking and poll is obviously more accurate than Mario's. Even if you want to talk about SFF in multi-choice polls, what kind of SFF would you like to bring up in the MK poll that hurts Sub-Zero's chances? rSFF'ing Scorpion?
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The SFF aspect I'm referring to is the no alternative part - basically the fact that voting for Sub-Zero in a MK poll doesn't mean that you like Sub-Zero, since there's no "I hate Mortal Kombat" option.

The basis for the x-stats, linearity, is a reasonable assumption when liking character A is more or less independent of liking character B. What creativename basically did is assume that each voter's liking for a character can be thought of as a number, and the numbers are distributed uniformly over ranges that would produce the observable result - if each voter's position in the first character's range is independent of their position in the second character's range. But in an SFF match, that goes out the window.

So basically, I wouldn't try to extrapolate anything off of any SFF match if I can help it (including regular contest matches). I think Sub-Zero will probably be at the same level as Scorpion, but I don't really know.
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Of course, I may have no idea what I'm talking about. =P
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probably could care less about Ninja Turtle games

People who don't care about the Ninja Turtles do not deserve a vote.

basically the fact that voting for Sub-Zero in a MK poll doesn't mean that you like Sub-Zero, since there's no "I hate Mortal Kombat" option.

People aren't obligated to vote, ya know.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

basically the fact that voting for Sub-Zero in a MK poll doesn't mean that you like Sub-Zero, since there's no "I hate Mortal Kombat" option.

...Huh? o_0 Normally if there's a favorite character poll, people tend to, you know, vote for their favorite character. If they hate the game presented, then why the hell would they even cast vote in the first place?

I think it would be fantastic if there was an option labeled "I hate Mortal Kombat."


That said, the lack of such an option does little to effect Sub-Zero, or anyone else's, percentage. If you hate Mortal Kombat, in all likelihood you are not even going to bother voting, as has been stated.

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People who don't care about the Ninja Turtles do not deserve a vote.

.. Hey, I loved that show ever since I was a toddler! :(
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Oh wait, nevermind, I read that wrong.
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Indeed...but as we saw in 2k4, Yoshi > Luigi, and 2k5's stats don't really agree with that.

Didn't you say something about Yoshi getting SFFd by Mega Man worse than Link? Those stats aren't too reliable, and Yoshi outdid Luigi against Pac Man in the same contest that has Luigi higher in the stats.

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Alright, assume that people who don't like Mortal Kombat didn't vote. The poll still tells us very little because now you have a poll of just Mortal Kombat fans.

My point is that the poll doesn't measure how people will vote against anything that's not Mortal Kombat.
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Oh, you mean like how the Street Fighter poll doesn't prove more people will vote for Ryu against non-SF opponents than Ken, or Chun-Li, or M. Bison?

One can reasonably say "No, I meant how the Mario poll doesn't prove more people will vote for Yoshi against non-Mario opponents than Mario, or Bowser, or maybe Luigi", sure...but that fanbase is so much larger and more varied. Plus, we KNOW that poll is flawed from the beginning, whereas many people have asked why Sub-Zero wasn't in Scorpion's place since the 2k2 bracket opened.

Sub-Zero wouldn't be a monster by any means, but he'd outdo Scorpion. I think it'd be silly to think Mortal Kombat's fanbase is THAT dedicated to vote for anything-MK (which, apparently, is many people's defense for thinking Sub = Scorp) when much more dedicated fanbases (hello, Ness) have seen bad SFF twice and saw another character (Giygas) be destroyed. I think it's reasonable to say MK fans have their own personal favorites that they would support more than others. How much MORE Sub-Zero would be supported than Scorpion, that's debatable...but I don't see there being any legit doubt -- at least in my mind -- that Sub-Zero can match and beat anything Scorpion does, if even by only a little. The only way I can see Sub-Zero = Scorpion is if MK dropped however much since 2k4 to make that happen...and I'll believe it when I see it.

Let me ask this: how would people think Reptile or Smoke would do in comparison with Scorpion?
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Reptile would do slightly less, but Smoke would go down in flames (c wut i did there).
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I will give you that those kinds of polls can be flawed though, I won't disagree with that. That's why you take them case-by-case...and, in this case, I don't see how or why it would be wrong.
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Sub-Zero did get a larger portion of favorites votes than most character poll winners got, for the record. He's one of the few to get over 40%, with Auron being the other one. Is Auron the strongest FFX character?
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

Sorry Leonhart, but comparing FF characters and a fighting game like MK characters in that manner is just silly IMO. Think about it...leads of Final Fantasy games almost always do well contest wise. On the other hand, Auron might do pretty good on Kirby unlike Tidus <_< but thats besides the point. The point is, since Mortal Kombat has a variety of "main characters", the fanbase is a little different.
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I'm not saying he'd be a powerful character by any means. I'm just saying that the likelihood that Sub-Zero is stronger than Scorpion is almost guaranteed, in my opinion. Perhaps not a great deal, but stronger nonetheless.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

Call me crazy, but I would figure FF fans would be more fanatical and supportive about its characters on GameFAQs than MK fans.

To answer Leonhart's question, in a word, yes. I don't care to listen to people telling me Tidus did better against Ganon than Auron did, Auron would beat him...and I would dare say Yuna or Rikku could put up more of a fight than Tidus against Auron.
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It really sucks that this site is NintendoFAQs right now. Kingdom Hearts 2 is off the charts, and I'd love to see KHF all over again.

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As soon as another contest happens, we will get to see KHF all over again.

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It really sucks that this site is NintendoFAQs right now. Kingdom Hearts 2 is off the charts, and I'd love to see KHF all over again.

How is it NintendoFAQs? Oblivion's the top game right now, and MPH is the only Nintendo game in the top 10. Obviously the top 10 FAQs isn't a key indicator, since FAQs are so RPG-biased, but Nintendo's still not doing super-fantastically.

ES4 at the top is pretty cool though. A surge in Xbox strength would be far more interesting contest-wise than a surge in Square strength.
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To 500?!
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ES4 at the top is pretty cool though. A surge in Xbox strength would be far more interesting contest-wise than a surge in Square strength.

It would be interesting because it was unprecidented, but also wouldn't change things at the top, and it would affect far less characters than a Square increase.
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in my opinion, there's not going to be as big of a "KHF" because:

- you'll be expecting an increase, whereas you didn't in 2003
- the people who are playing KH2 probably have already played KH1, meaning there's less room to "boost"

what KH2 will do is draw a different pool of voters to the site, and that will give all RPGs a small boost and KH2 characters a noticable one. so while it may not be the same size boost, it's still going to be something noticable.

my question: for those of you who are playing KH2, which characters have significant roles? and which have the most "potential" to boost?
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I agree with tranny unless KH2 becomes THAT much bigger than KH1...and, for as much as KH sold and as well-received as it was by many (including GameFAQs), I just don't see that happening.

KH2 by itself doesn't worry me much, nor even FF:AC coming out about a month from now to couple along with it...but the third game -- DoC -- in the Squaresoft Trifecta being released in June, making for three big releases for them in just over two months, is what gets me most. That might make KH2F (cute, eh?) seem bigger than the original KHF itself despite it not all being because of KH2.
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A surge in Xbox strength would be far more interesting contest-wise than a surge in Square strength.

I'll totally drink to that.

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