Finally got the chance to make the next topic myself and add a few links, namely the Fourpack board and Ngamer's archive sites.



*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19



*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/13

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/14

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/15

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/16

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/17

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/18

Spring 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/27

SFF Adjusted Summer 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/33

Summer 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/32

All Time Extrapolated Standings:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/alltimexstats.htm



*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html



*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm



*Match Pictures*

All the match pics, save for three from 2002:
http://www.sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php



*Miscellaneous*

Creativename's Page of Links:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

UltimaterializerX's Contest Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

NGamer64's Archive Site and (lol) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language):
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats

A List of Acronyms, A Lesson on Percentages, and Some Odd Matches:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/acronymspercentsanomalies.htm

All Time Top 25/Top 10 Lists:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251

HaRRicH's Fourpack of Fun Board:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007



!yawa tsoP

What it is...

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OMG!

*points to sig in bold*
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"She's as deep as a mountain for Christ's sake" - Inviso.

yay, more links!
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You can't beat more links.

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Yay I just got my 500 post. ;)
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I haven't really paid close attention, but do we still need Solarshadow's archives if NGamer has them all?
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Detective in Sir Chris' Police

I stole Ngamer's idea and made a noNN bracket.

Turk Division

1) Vincent Valentine
8) Ifnkovhgroghprm

4) Nightmare
5) Pac-Man

3) Phoenix Wright
6) Laharl

2) Zelda
7) Little Mac

Fighting For Division

1) Zero
8) Jay Solano

4) Chun-Li
5) Seifer Almasy

3) Ken Masters
6) Kratos

2) Diablo
7) Sam Fisher

Home-Run Contest Division

1) Ganondorf
8) Master Hand

4) Raiden
5) Strider Hiryu

3) Knuckles the Echidna
6) Donkey Kong

2) Riku
7) Liquid Snake

DARKNESS Division

1) Sora
8) Locke Cole

4) Yoshi
5) Dante

3) Prince of Persia
6) Fox McCloud

2) Kefka
7) Alucard

Hurly Gloves Division

1) Bowser Koopa
8) The King of all Cosmos

4) Akuma
5) Leon Kennedy

3) Sub-Zero
6) Ness

2) Ryu Hayabusa
7) Miles “Tails” Prower

Poltergust Division

1) Luigi Mario
8) Vyse

4) Captain Falcon
5) Rikku

3) Princess Peach
6) Ramza Beoluve

2) Ryu
7) Aeris Gainsborough

Whatever Division

1) Squall Leonhart
8) CATS

4) Serge
5) Wario

3) Magus
6) Auron

2) Tifa Lockheart
7) Tommy Vercetti

Need a Weapon Division

1) Master Chief
8) Reno

4) Vivi
5) Tidus

3) Kirby
6) Shadow the Hedgehog

2) Gordon Freeman
7) Laguna Loire

Comments? Complaints? Compliments?
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Serge > Wario!!

okay, maybe not.
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Got 3 out of 4 Ulti! Not bad, but for 280, please try to remember to add

http://thengamer.com/stats

I think in our IM the other day I sent "stats" and "xstats" together in one message, and you didn't see the latter.

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Just a bit from the last topic ...

PoP just has more games to draw from... plus a movie if it ever comes out.

Just for so you know, there is also a God of War movie being made, too. Kratos also has a new game -- sequel to the first -- called God of War 2 : Divine Retribution coming out for the PS2. It will not be out before the contest, but then neither would any movies.

But, the argument that the Prince is known from past this generation is something I do not think really needs to be brought up. Ryu Hayabusa had the same "luxury" of being known from the 80s and 90s, but the fact remains that both of them drew, or will draw, their popularity from the current generation games.

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Turk Division

1) Vincent Valentine
8) Ifnkovhgroghprm

4) Nightmare
5) Pac-Man

3) Phoenix Wright
6) Laharl

2) Zelda
7) Little Mac

Nightmare/Pac-Man could be good, as much as I hate to see Laharl in another contest that match could be good. Maybe you could put Little Mac against someone who isn't from Nintendo to see if there was any SFF (not that I think there was). Vincent/Zelda is also a good match.

Fighting For Division

1) Zero
8) Jay Solano

4) Chun-Li
5) Seifer Almasy

3) Ken Masters
6) Kratos

2) Diablo
7) Sam Fisher

Any match not including Zero and Diablo/Sam seems to be good. Zero should take the division.

Home-Run Contest Division

1) Ganondorf
8) Master Hand

4) Raiden
5) Strider Hiryu

3) Knuckles the Echidna
6) Donkey Kong

2) Riku
7) Liquid Snake

Eww... Ganondorf/Hand will have some nasty SFF.

DARKNESS Division

1) Sora
8) Locke Cole

4) Yoshi
5) Dante

3) Prince of Persia
6) Fox McCloud

2) Kefka
7) Alucard

Hopefully Alucard wasn't underrated last year.

Hurly Gloves Division

1) Bowser Koopa
8) The King of all Cosmos

4) Akuma
5) Leon Kennedy

3) Sub-Zero
6) Ness

2) Ryu Hayabusa
7) Miles “Tails” Prower

Nice division all around.

Poltergust Division

1) Luigi Mario
8) Vyse

4) Captain Falcon
5) Rikku

3) Princess Peach
6) Ramza Beoluve

2) Ryu
7) Aeris Gainsborough

I don't know why you have Aeris so low she has a good chance in taking the division if not is the favorite.

Whatever Division

1) Squall Leonhart
8) CATS

4) Serge
5) Wario

3) Magus
6) Auron

2) Tifa Lockheart
7) Tommy Vercetti

Good.

Need a Weapon Division

1) Master Chief
8) Reno

4) Vivi
5) Tidus

3) Kirby
6) Shadow the Hedgehog

2) Gordon Freeman
7) Laguna Loire

I think Freeman might win a match. Kirby/Shadow doesn't seem as exciting since Kirby beat Tidus.
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Eww... Ganondorf/Hand will have some nasty SFF.

>=D

I don't know why you have Aeris so low she has a good chance in taking the division if not is the favorite.

She's never been very popular with the nominators, and after being snubbed twice, I can't help but think that they don't care about her enough to give her much higher. It also made more sense than making her the 2 and Ryu the 7.

Kirby/Shadow doesn't seem as exciting since Kirby beat Tidus.

I figure Shadow the Hedgehog should give him a boost, though he probably won't win regardless.
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Those division names are awesome. I don't see why we need 8x8 divisions instead of 4x16, though.
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There's always someone better.

I prefer 8x8 as opposed to 4x16, myself.

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"... Speeding. Let's go arrest that student for violation of academy regulations." -- Seifer Almasy

I prefer 8x8 as opposed to 4x16, myself.

As do I. If you ever try making a bracket, you'll see that the matchup possibilities really open up under this format.

You're such a cool human being to attempt mockery during an argument over the internet. You must have gained self-respect and self-admiration from that well-thought out and relevant comment.

Says the man who thinks that FFTA outsold FFT by leaps and bounds.




Haven't people learned to just mark this guy's posts and ignore him yet? It's the easiest way to deal with people like that.

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Currently Playing: Deus Ex, FFTA, MMX5, C&C, FF4A

If you ever try making a bracket, you'll see that the matchup possibilities really open up under this format.

Having made several myself, it only changes the seeding some. If you have the ability to make a decent bracket, you can do so under either bracket style with similar ease.
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Oh, and thanks for the addition of the 4POF-board, Ulti.
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If you ever try making a bracket, you'll see that the matchup possibilities really open up under this format.

Having made several myself, it only changes the seeding some. If you have the ability to make a decent bracket, you can do so under either bracket style with similar ease.

Indeed, but a realistic bracket has to have accurate seeding, and it's a lot easier to accomplish that with 8x8.
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I was thinking about Nightmare/Pac-Man myself, but then I remembered Ocelot/Pac-Man.

I'm sorry, but anybody who beats Ocelot has my respect. He may have been overrated, but I can't see him losing to Nightmare.
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DA-DING Da-Ding da-ding-ding!

the only differences between an 8x8 and a 16x4 are the numbers. I mean, I could make 16 different fourpacks (go check H's board out!) and seed them 1-4, but it doesn't change a damn thing. I don't know why people get hung up on seeding so much.

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The advantage to 8x8 is that, assuming you do not alter seeding at all, you have 8 possible places to put a character, as opposed to 4 in a 4x16 bracket.

That, and like Brian's bracket, you can get very creative with division names. We could only hope for a Hurley Gloves division.
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"I set my ATM card's number to "0001" because I'm number one!" - Manfred von Karma

Everything looks cooler in 8x8. Instead of 4 close 8/9 battles and 4 maybe close 7/10s, you get to make 8 4/5 'nailbiters.' And in a real Contest setting, dealing with people not familiar with character strengths, they're naturally going to be sheep, taking the chalk on everything 3/14, 4/13, 5/12. But if it's only 2/7 and 3/6, now that upset looks alot more reasonable.

So yeah, they might be all the same matchups in reality, but 8x8 makes a much better first impression. And that can mean everything.

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I like 4x16 solely because I like the NCAA style far better.

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I prefer 4/16 because I'm more used to seeing it, but it's obviously not a big deal.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Just to delve a lil' deeper into this debate, I dare say the classic Halo/Starcraft match would not have been AS big as it was if we used 8x8 in the Game Contest...albeit still huge.

4x16 makes upsets feel more epic to me.
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yeah, I agree with Ulti. I don't think the Magus-Knuckles matches changes any if it's 5-12 instead of 3-6. I don't think 2-10 changes Dante-Vincent instead of 1-5. they're the same match.
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Well, I suppose that's the expected trade-off to Ngamer's point about upsets being more reasonable under the 8x8 format.

I suppose another reason I like the 8x8 format is because it makes an overseeded character look even more awful then he/she would (the Starcraft match being an exception). It is one thing for a 4-seed Revolver Ocelot to tank against Pac Man, but a 2-seed failing to win an easy match? OMG!
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RIP Eddie Guerrero 1967-2005
"I set my ATM card's number to "0001" because I'm number one!" - Manfred von Karma

Is there a Spring Contest this year? Any word on when any sort of build up will start?
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1967-2005

Who knows.

From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 3/20/2006 1:39:35 AM | Message Detail | #027
I prefer 4/16 because I'm more used to seeing it, but it's obviously not a big deal.

Sure it is. Far more people would have picked Ridley to beat Diablo if the seeding was 3-14 or 2-15. Upsets in the 4x16 format are far more epic, and you aren't gaining a whole lot under the 8x8 format other than good characters going down earlier than they should. I'm also not a fan of 8 1 seeds, but that's a minor issue.

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Far more people would have picked Ridley to beat Diablo if the seeding was 3-14 or 2-15.

Quite possibly, although I can't see too many people paying that much attention. It might be worth a couple of percentage points, tops. (2) Ridley v (7) Diablo isn't that much different from (4) Ridley v (13) Diablo.

By that theory, (1) Halo < (8) Starcraft would be less of an upset than (1) Halo < (16) Starcraft, and you could stretch that to saying Starcraft wins easily, rather than dubiously. I guess it's mostly moot, but I prefer the 4x16 to be honest.

We need a Spring Contest, this offseason seems to have gone on forever :-(
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Ridley vs. Diablo doesn't really mean anything though, seeing as though the Villians contest was only 32 characters, and I doubt anyone would go for just two divisions.
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"I set my ATM card's number to "0001" because I'm number one!" - Manfred von Karma

Eh, I don't care either way. Knuckles over Magus was still epic as all get out, but only because of our expectations. The seeding didn't really make it less memorable. Heck, Squall > Luigi was a 6 over a 3, but was that not epic?
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

Says the man who thinks that FFTA outsold FFT by leaps and bounds.

What? No I don't. Why would I refute factual information?

The only thing I said about FFT(A) is that I loved FFTA and that it wasn't the worst game ever (like a lot of people say) and that the reviewers seemed to agree on that seeing it got a good score on gamerankings. I never even made any personal claims regarding the FFT-FFTA relation, as I haven't played FFT.


Sales aren't even a matter of opinion.. Every time someone brings up the whole SFF thing and I respond in some way, you make up lies. Tell me, why do you do that? Does it make you feel cool? Does it confirm your 'social status' on this board? Does it complement your arrogant nature?

Never before have you come anywhere close to putting your money where your mouth is. Show me these lies.

Haven't people learned to just mark this guy's posts and ignore him yet? It's the easiest way to deal with people like that.

People like that? As in people who's opinions differ from yours? So I can't like a certain game anymore now? I can't make assumptions based on match statistics? And who are you to say anything about that?

Also, you tell people they should've learned by now to ignore me, yet you respond to me. Can't even follow up your own advice, can you? Credible, credible.

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I was being summoned by Sephiroth"

From the last topic...

What does that have to do with anything? What your point, really? Yes, you're right. It's better to be in only 1 game than in a bazillion :s

I never said this went for everything, but it is a solid argument for PoP.

Sales and amount of games out there only serve as potential for popularity, not as a gauge of popularity itself.

The ultimate example of this is Xenogears > Pokemon G/S/C, I think.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

I'd like to expand on what Ulti hinted at, in that eight "#1" seeds seems like a bit much. Kirby surprised most of us last contest, but I know I had difficultly swallowing him as a #1 seed. I just find seeding means very little in an 8x8 bracket. I mean, if all the #1s win, you can't even have seeding upsets in the Elite Eight.

It's really just a minor quibble over semantics (and the Hurly Gloves division name is priceless), but 4x16 just speaks to me. It's probably just the familiarity.
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There's always someone better.

Sales and amount of games out there only serve as potential for popularity, not as a gauge of popularity itself.

The ultimate example of this is Xenogears > Pokemon G/S/C, I think.

Yeah, that's pretty much what transience mentioned already. I just find the Prince and Kratos very comparable in terms of how they are likeable (both the games and the characters), so I really can't see Kratos being stronger, seeing as how the Prince has been available to a broader public.
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"Now I realise.. I wasn't pursuing Sephiroth.
I was being summoned by Sephiroth"

Personally, I don't know if The Prince could match Kratos. He certainly has the potential, but something within me has difficulty believing he'd get 45% on Alucard.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

Personally, I don't know if The Prince could match Kratos. He certainly has the potential, but something within me has difficulty believing he'd get 45% on Alucard.

I'll give you that. I certainly wouldn't expect the Prince to break 45% on Alucard, but now that Kratos did, I do.
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"Now I realise.. I wasn't pursuing Sephiroth.
I was being summoned by Sephiroth"

All I have to say is XFD @ consolefreak in the last topic... too ignorant to realize I was supporting your argument and am probably one of the Prince's biggest supporters eh?

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Whoa - anybody who doesn't know EC is the biggest (in more ways than one) PoP supporter has to be stupid, blind, or both...

I like that bracket posted at the beginning of the topic, as well - but I prefer NGamer's bracket and gauntlet idea.
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All I have to say is XFD @ consolefreak in the last topic... too ignorant to realize I was supporting your argument and am probably one of the Prince's biggest supporters eh?

I'll have you know that I typed up my response before reading your post regarding the argument(you couldn't figure this out?).

Although my response in regards to your sarcastic comment still stands.

Whoa - anybody who doesn't know EC is the biggest (in more ways than one) PoP supporter has to be stupid, blind, or both...

So it's a given now that everybody who posts on this board should know every other user? Not that it matters, because I never denied or failed to recognize sexplicitcon as a Prince supporter.

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"Now I realise.. I wasn't pursuing Sephiroth.
I was being summoned by Sephiroth"

So it's a given now that everybody who posts on this board should know every other user?

*reads last topic*

Yeah, if you read ONE post up you'd have realised EC was a huge fanboy of PoP. (Not a bad thing)
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PoP wouldn't match Kratos. I expect him to win a match and possibly have a great seed, especially if we stick to 8x8 divisions...but I still don't see him getting over 20%.
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Kratos is only at 18.70%, himself. Granted, part of that is due to Sora's stinkfest in Round 3, but Kratos won't realistically be as strong this year, anyway. I think Prince could take him.
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I still haven't seen any reasons why Kratos would be more popular than the Prince. The Prince has more games, he has higher-selling games, and his main game is just as critically acclaimed. GameFAQs-wise, the Prince has the benefit of being old-school (which without the new games would probably make him about as popular as Simon Belmont) and Kratos has the negative of being mainstream, which generally hasn't been very beneficial in the past. The only reason I've seen people give the advantage to Kratos is that he got 45% on Alucard, without giving any regard to what allowed him to accomplish that feat.
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I'd wager Prince being more popular than Simon just by virtue of having his name on every single box.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

I'd wager Prince being more popular than Simon just by virtue of having his name on every single box.

Indeed, but Simon's not too far behind Pac-Man and I didn't want to aim too high.
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