Too much emphasis on sales, and any emphasis at all on hype is misplaced. It's all about having had good experiences with the game, the nostalgia factor if you will. Everyone played GE with their friends, so its got it in spades. Halo has some as well... not nearly so much as GE, but those three years where the Xbox was a "Halo adapter" give it a heck of a lot more appeal in this area than H2. I don't see Live support countering that.

I'd give Halo 61.81% in a direct match.

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Goldeneye: 5,019,000
Perfect Dark: 1,297,000

Actually, Goldeneye sold 5.77 million in America and Perfect Dark sold 1.54 million. Though Mario 64 dominates the both of them with 6.87 million sold in America.

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Don't rule out Ness over fox guys...

I do not see how you can really make a favorable argument for Ness in that situation. I find it impossible to bring up SSB/SSBM thinking Ness would get any bit of that vote. If you want to bring up EarthBound, Fox has Star Fox 64 and any other Star Fox game. If you want to bring up how SFF would go, then you can't possibly tell me Ness would pick it up. He's not the more popular character within the Nintendo fanbase, he certainly doesn't have any type of appeal in his design, and all those other lovely factors. Along with Fox being underestimated due to direct SFF with Link, I really see it as quite easy taking Fox over Ness.

I know this is based off of 2k3 Fox which is out of date, but 2k5 Ness would be predicted to get 57.28% against 2k3 Fox.

Yeah. That is the same Fox who got put up against Link.

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Well Ness gets 53.75% against 2k2 Fox >.>

Fox was behind Cloud/Mario, potentially. If Cloud isn't as low as he is in the stats then Fox would go up along with him.

I guess Assualt would help him, and I don't know how old Adventures is...

It came out in September 2002, which means it would have helped him in 2003. But, he faced Link during that year.

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Fox vs Ness would be a mess... if only because it sounds really similar to matches like Luigi vs Yoshi what it came down to who got the SFF. They're fairly difficult to predict, but in this case not having any recent data on Fox doesn't really help.

Ness has never been particularly strong, but then again there's no indication that Fox is, although the argument can certainly be made that there's no indication he isn't. I would pick Fox if not only for the simple fact he's had more recent games.
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Ness's main popularity comes from SSBM, Fox's popularity doesn't. There are also more Fox players in SSBM than there are Ness players.

As for games, that's actually arguable, considering Fox didn't have a single game in the game contest, who knows how popular they really are on this site.. but I would take Fox and feel rather skeptical.

Ness's main popularity comes from SSBM, Fox's popularity doesn't. There are also more Fox players in SSBM than there are Ness players.

Ness's popularity comes from both SSB and SSBM. Fox, whose popularity comes from his own series, has the added benefit of being exposed to people through SSB and SSBM. It helps when you are a character, especially a good one and a popular one, in something like SSB. In Fox's case, he was great in both of the games. He would be the uncontested best character in the game in SSBM if it were not for the fact that his potential is directly limited to what is within human ability.

As for games, that's actually arguable, considering Fox didn't have a single game in the game contest, who knows how popular they really are on this site.. but I would take Fox and feel rather skeptical.

Eh, I don't really see it as arguable. You have to consider the fact that the nomination system at the time allowed for one game per system. You can imagine most of those nominations going to the bigger N64 games like Ocarina of Time and Super Mario 64. The SNES is the same way, as is the GameCube, but he has not had a massively well received game on that. Still, I know I would not have any trouble taking, say, Star Fox 64 over EarthBound without thinking twice. All the factors that can be brought up in this potential match just seem to favor Fox, if you ask me. That's why I would take him and remain supremely confident in that choice.

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Part of me disagrees. I have a feeling that people who don't care about the Halo series or the Xbox (a very large percentage of the GameFAQs population), will be more inclined to vote for the original.


It's not that large a percentage that don't have an xbox. It's sizeable, but that would only matter anyway in a direct matchup. I don't remember if that's what you were talking about (and am too lazy to check) but odds are the people that didn't have Halo aren't going to vote for Halo 2 either.

I know for me Halo 2 was way bigger than Halo ever was. It featured online play, which for Halo, is...enormous. Most people say Halo 2 is a much better game than Halo, or at least aren't angry about it, ie it was received very well. Halo 2 definitely has room to be stronger, especially if you believe that xbox hate was once sizeable and dies over the years.
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Eh, you do have a point about that nomination system being a bit bad, only letting the big name games get in. Taking Star Fox 64 over Earthbound does seem pretty easy to do.

Looking back at the old stat topics, it's almost like reading a stat topic from Soviet Russia with how few people expected SSBM to be much of anything in the Games Contest.
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Most people say Halo 2 is a much better game than Halo, or at least aren't angry about it, ie it was received very well.

A lot of people were pissed off about its "n00bification," which is to say the ridiculous auto-aim that got put in.
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Now that the Halo2 hype has died down i can barely hear people talking about it.
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Also, does anyone else think that Gray Fox could potentially be stronger than Ocelot...?
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

I know for me Halo 2 was way bigger than Halo ever was. It featured online play, which for Halo, is...enormous. Most people say Halo 2 is a much better game than Halo, or at least aren't angry about it, ie it was received very well. Halo 2 definitely has room to be stronger, especially if you believe that xbox hate was once sizeable and dies over the years.


I'd say that online's more of a disadvantage, since that means more people will be playing alone. There aren't many people who don't on Halo 2 who play it online.
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Melee may have been distrusted by Gurus, but Board 8 in general never lost faith in it. I still have the stats from a big board topic right before the Contest asking what everyone's choices for the Final Four was. For Division 128, the numbers were:

Melee
39

FFX
32

Prime
15

Wind Waker
15

Vice City
10

King Hearts
3

With Halo, KotoR, SC, and Half-Life also getting a vote.

Other numbers, as long as I'm here, were

8-Bit

Mario 3
104

Zelda
8

Final Fantasy
6

16-Bit (I need a buffer here because just '16-Bit' would create a censor bypass, lawls.)

Chrono Trigger
82

Link to the Past
18

FF3/6
11

32/64-Bit

FF7
73

Ocarina
44

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You know, you can just put a space after Bit and save having to put filler there.

And I saw a lot of people talking about how Zelda would beat Mario 3 as well.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

Link to the Past
18

So...friggin'...close, too.
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BOLD ASSERTION: Chrono Trigger would still beat Link to the Past this year.
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BOLD OBJECTION: Link to the Past would get its revenge.
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I'd take LoZ:LttP again.
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Silly rabbits.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

Crono seems to be stalling in popularity after growing from 2k2-2k4. If he was to go down I can see him losing to Mega Man and maybe Sonic.
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I don't think Crono went down. Heck, he only got .25% lower on Mega Man than he was supposed to get based on the 2004 stats.

Plus, I still think that the top 6 of the top 100 games list would hold firm. Yes, there was a Nintendo boost, but I don't think it seemed to effect the games very much. Heck, Link is more popular than he's ever been and he beat Cloud by more than he ever has before. And you know how many people had FFVII as their favorite game?

Nearly the same percentage of people who said that the actual best game won the Spring Contest right after Sp2K4.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

Heh, based on that poll, we can assume that probably 70% or maybe more had FFVII in their top 10 somewhere, which is insane. It was probably far and away #1.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

If LttP was to beat CT it would be because CT got weaker not LttP got stronger and besides that match was so close that the outcome could've been different if it was on a different day.
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BOLD ASSERTION #2: Final Fantasy VII would still break 60% easily on Super Smash Brothers Melee.
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What what you consider "easily"?
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Probably over around 60.5% at all times
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As in, 60.5% at least. Probably 61-62%, I think.
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Hmm... I'd say that's pretty realistic.
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Anyway, I'll try some Fact or Fiction, hoping that all of this doesn't go to waste by Ceej deciding not to have a Games Contest.

Fact or Fiction: Link to the Past would SFF Mario 3.

(If Fact, predict the percentage)

Fact or Fiction: Super Mario 64 would defeat Super Mario World head-to-head.

Fact or Fiction: Metal Gear Solid would defeat GoldenEye head-to-head.

Fact or Fiction: Final Fantasy VIII would defeat both of them.
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Link to the Past would SFF Mario 3. - FACT (56-44 seems good)

Super Mario 64 would defeat Super Mario World head-to-head. - FICTION

Metal Gear Solid would defeat GoldenEye head-to-head. - FICTION

Final Fantasy VIII would defeat both of them. - FICTION
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Fact: I agree, around 56/57-44/43

Fact: A victim of horrid SFF... SM64 with 53%

Fiction: GE would win, although it could be close

Fact: FVIII has a lot of support, whether the more vocal people are the ones who bash it or not, and was hurt by the "one game per system" rule.
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BOLD ASSERTION: Chrono Trigger would still beat Link to the Past this year.

I would disagree. I, yet again, would take A Link to the Past over Chrono Trigger.

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Fact or Fiction: Link to the Past would SFF Mario 3. - Fact: LttP wins with ~57%

Fact or Fiction: Super Mario 64 would defeat Super Mario World head-to-head. - Fiction

Fact or Fiction: Metal Gear Solid would defeat GoldenEye head-to-head. - Fact

Fact or Fiction: Final Fantasy VIII would defeat both of them. - Fact
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Fact or Fiction: Link to the Past would SFF Mario 3.

Fact. I would say it would probably be around a 55 - 45 match.

Fact or Fiction: Super Mario 64 would defeat Super Mario World head-to-head.

Fiction. SMB3 > SMW > SM64 is how it would always go head-to-head. The fanbase has always preferred them like this.

Fact or Fiction: Metal Gear Solid would defeat GoldenEye head-to-head.

Fiction. Goldeneye would pull a victory in a close match.

Fact or Fiction: Final Fantasy VIII would defeat both of them.

Fact. I think FFVIII has the potential to be up there with FFX, which I would not have any problem taking over those two.

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Fiction: Link to the Past would SFF Mario 3.

Nope, Mario 3 is to widely beloved...there's a reason it managed to get 48% on CT. The Mario name alone can't get 48% on CT.

Fiction: Super Mario 64 would defeat Super Mario World head-to-head.

It seems like Mario 64 has gone downhill in popularity since the N64 days. I mean, many will agree that it's far outclassed by other 3D games these days.

Fact: Metal Gear Solid would defeat GoldenEye head-to-head. I hate having to predict this match. I'm clueless, so I'm just going with who was higher in the x-stats. MGS got a better percentage against a tougher opponent. I can't say anything more.

Fact: Final Fantasy VIII would defeat both of them.

Hm...what if Goldeneye faced Halo? Could Goldeneye actually have a shot? I know Halo's way ahead in the x-stats and all, but... ;).

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I would disagree. I, yet again, would take A Link to the Past over Chrono Trigger.


What do you mean "Yet again"? Weren't you the guy who had Chrono Trigger winning the whole contest? Yes, I think you were.

Halo would beat Goldeneye, though it would probably be relatively close.
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I'd take Goldeneye over Halo. It really strikes me as one of those games that can truly bring down the hammer if it were put in a favorable (or hell, even a fair) bracket position.
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Fact or Fiction: Link to the Past would SFF Mario 3.

FICTION. I'd take SSBM over SMB3 (in an ever-so-close match), yet I wouldn't consider LoZ:LttP able to SFF SMB3. It's probably because of them both being very old-school and LoZ:LttP taking the role of #2 in its series to SMB3's #1 in its own.


Fact or Fiction: Super Mario 64 would defeat Super Mario World head-to-head.

FACT. The past several indications we've seen show SM64 > SMW; the latest thing we saw where SMW > SM64 was the Game Contest, and SM64 had the misfortune of being SFF'd by LoZ:OoT. SM64 is newer, had the big DS port/improvement of a launch game, more revolutionary and started the look of Mario today, outdid SMW in a Mario-game poll here before the DS existed (don't remember what poll number), and the Top 100 List says SMB3-#5 > SM64-#13 > SMB-#22 > SMW-#23. The ball is in SM64's court.


Fact or Fiction: Metal Gear Solid would defeat GoldenEye head-to-head.

FACT. Tough though.....


Fact or Fiction: Final Fantasy VIII would defeat both of them.

FACT. Another tough one.....
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What do you mean "Yet again"? Weren't you the guy who had Chrono Trigger winning the whole contest? Yes, I think you were.

No, actually, I never had Chrono Trigger winning the whole contest. Not in the bracket that mattered anyway.

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GE > Halo would pay off a LOT, but man, I wouldn't be able to bring myself to take that upset. That's scary **** to step into, albeit arguable enough.
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It ain't that big of an upset, I don't think. Both are multi-million sellers in the United States. Both are famous for their addicting, play-for-hours-on-end multiplayer modes, and both are members of the same genre. Halo has the advantage in that it is newer and single-handedly carried a system, but Goldeneye practically carried a Nintendo system for a while. I'd wager it would be a pretty dang good match.
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The only reason I don't really want a games contest is because I would be completely lost in it, which explains my lack of posting in this topic, I've just been lurking for the most part. I only came to this board when SpC2K4 was going on, but I never came into the stats topic, and barely payed any attention to the contest. SC2k4 was my first contest that I cared about.

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Fact or Fiction: Link to the Past would SFF Mario 3.

FICTION. LttP wins, but in a photo finish.

Fact or Fiction: Super Mario 64 would defeat Super Mario World head-to-head.

FICTION. HaR is right on the money here. Mario World had all the same opportunities M64 did in the Top Ten, and blew it. I've always seen the Mario chain going 3 > 64 > SMW, and have yet to see any evidence to the contrary.

Fact or Fiction: Metal Gear Solid would defeat GoldenEye head-to-head.

FICTION. Let GE loose against anything non-Mario or Link, and it's going to do some serious damage. It would win this in a close one.

Fact or Fiction: Final Fantasy VIII would defeat both of them.

FICTION. As we saw against 7, 8 should be able to PSX SFF its way to a narrow win, but GE would stand strong.

Hm... that's alot of fiction.

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I know I've downplayed it before, so to clarify... the Top Ten is inaccurate when compared to Contest strength, but only toward games with dedicated fanbases that would make sure their game gets plenty of +10 points.

I think the fanbases overrated stuff like FF7 (it's still #1, but I think it killed OoT by more than it would in a direct matchup), Halo, SotN, Earthbound, and WoW (this would bomb so hard in a Contest, I'd love to see it).

But I don't see there being a "dedicated fanbase" behind Mario 64; if anything, the more culty base should have been behind the older SWM. M64 just feels like a title that got in on the strength of making a ton of top tens, which is exactly what you'd want in a Contest setting.

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Halo has the advantage in that it is newer and single-handedly carried a system, but Goldeneye practically carried a Nintendo system for a while. I'd wager it would be a pretty dang good match.

It may have been a Nintendo system, but wouldn't that have been in Nintendo's favor? Ie, people would buy it anyway, regardless? Plus, for Halo, it was a brand new system. Carrying that is equally, if not more, impressive. The only thing I could say against that is people were excited about the xbox, bought one without really thinking, and forced love on Halo. I don't agree with that, but whatever.

I bet Halo could take Goldeneye. Halo only has up to go as the years go on, with Halo 2, Goldeneye isn't really going anywhere.
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Having just finished a quick little run through Super Mario Bros. I bring this question to you people: How well do you think Super Mario Bros. would do in a contest? What is the highest game in the current stats that you would take it over?

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But I don't see there being a "dedicated fanbase" behind Mario 64; if anything, the more culty base should have been behind the older SWM.

I do not expect there to be anything close to a "dedicated fanbase" along the lines of SotN or EB when it comes to major Mario games. There would be no reason for the "culty base" to be behind Super Mario World as opposed to Super Mario 64. Both of them are completely capable of pulling in plenty of Top 10 spots without a dedicated fanbase boosting it higher than normal.

Though Harrich brought up a notable point with Super Mario 64 DS. I never thought of that before, but considering it has now come out with a remake and sold very well, I would expect that probably helped out some. I don't think that's the tipper, but I would probably think a little more in a SM64/SMW matchup.

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