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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 278
From: LessThan3Presea | Posted: 3/2/2006 10:52:40 AM | Message Detail
You want to nominate The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden, Serge, Seifer Almasy, Laguna Loire, and Ramza Beoulve for SC2K6.

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*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19



*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/13

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/14

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/15

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/16

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/17

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/18

Spring 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/27

SFF Adjusted Summer 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/33

Summer 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/32

All Time Extrapolated Standings:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/alltimexstats.htm



*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html



*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm



*Match Pictures*

All the match pics, save for three from 2002:
http://www.sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php



*Miscellaneous*

Creativename's Page of Links:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

UltimaterializerX's Contest Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

NGamer64's 2003 Archives (some offensive language):
http://www.thengamer.com/gamefaqs/03Summer/GanonVSMagusUpdates.txt
http://www.thengamer.com/gamefaqs/03Summer/MarioVSCronoUpdates.txt
http://www.thengamer.com/gamefaqs/03Summer/TommyVsDKupdates.txt
http://www.thengamer.com/gamefaqs/03Summer/03SummerEarlyVoteTotals.txt

A List of Acronyms, A Lesson on Percentages, and Some Odd Matches:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/acronymspercentsanomalies.htm

All Time Top 25/Top 10 Lists *UPDATED*:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251


!yawa tsoP
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"A huge void in her heart. It is filled not by darkness, but kindness from others." - Presea Combatir, the Empty Soul
From: Zylo the wolf | Posted: 3/2/2006 10:53:57 AM | Message Detail
Alucard > Kirby > Ramza > Bomberman

Muhahahaha :)
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transience: I'm in everyone's sig!
From: LessThan3Presea | Posted: 3/2/2006 10:55:11 AM | Message Detail
I don't care. Anyone with enough guts to wear buttpants and order milk at a bar deserves a second shot.
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"A huge void in her heart. It is filled not by darkness, but kindness from others." - Presea Combatir, the Empty Soul
From: therealmnm | Posted: 3/2/2006 10:55:43 AM | Message Detail
No, I'd rather nominate Sub-Zero, Fox McCloud, Prince of Persia, Soma Cruz, Carmen Sandiego, and Jay Solano. Plus an obligatory Knuckles.
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Currently playing: MMXC, Fight Night R2, Threads of Fate, Jade Empire
From: Lopen | Posted: 3/2/2006 10:58:13 AM | Message Detail
Yeah. Go ahead and nominate Fox. If you like nominating losers.

Actually... I like Fox too, I'll stop dogging him now.
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Raiden is still [-29] nominations short! Maybe I'll post in this one!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=25457391
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/2/2006 11:01:43 AM | Message Detail
You were so right...until you started on the last five (and I say this having agreed to nominate Seifer).


Jay Solano
Sub-Zero
Raiden
Captain Falcon
Prince of Persia
Nightmare
Seifer
_____ (insert choice of the Guru winner)
#9
#10

I'm tempted to give Knuckles a nomination, and I would still have one left if I did. Hmmm.....
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 3/2/2006 11:13:02 AM | Message Detail
You need to nominate Knuckles so he can be in position to get into the sweet 16.

http://www.dcshooters.co.uk/sonic/sonic16bit/sonic3/images/knuckles.png

Laughing sprite. 'Nuff said.
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: MMXC, Fight Night R2, Threads of Fate, Jade Empire
From: therealmnm | Posted: 3/2/2006 11:13:41 AM | Message Detail
Although the 3rd round being sprites isn't guaranteed anymore. Damn.
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: MMXC, Fight Night R2, Threads of Fate, Jade Empire
From: Smurfs_DaBomb | Posted: 3/2/2006 11:14:06 AM | Message Detail
Shadow > Zero
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His only constant is his unpredictability.
Zidane Tribal
From: voltch | Posted: 3/2/2006 11:14:07 AM | Message Detail
we need to nominate CATS so he can get a decent seed!
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Kilroy:Their fate will be in each other's hands as they decide wether to share or to shaft.
BrentfordFC-championship here we come
From: Zylo the wolf | Posted: 3/2/2006 11:15:09 AM | Message Detail
Solid **** VS Laughing Knuckles.

Could this be the biggest upset of all time?

I mean, Frog was close to win over Solid **** and look at him now.
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transience: I'm in everyone's sig!
From: Smurfs_DaBomb | Posted: 3/2/2006 11:16:20 AM | Message Detail
Knuckles would cruise it.
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His only constant is his unpredictability.
Zidane Tribal
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/2/2006 11:17:40 AM | Message Detail
You're right...

...KNUCKLES TO THE ELITE EIGHT!!!
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 3/2/2006 11:30:25 AM | Message Detail
Yeah. Go ahead and nominate Fox. If you like nominating losers

Pfft. The only loser here is Raiden. Fox is the clear winner, buddy. Heh.

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"I haven't invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess]." -- Shigeru Miyamoto
From: Samurai7 | Posted: 3/2/2006 11:37:28 AM | Message Detail
I want to see Ness vs Fox


show that Ness' popularity has a large base outside smash brothers
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 3/2/2006 11:42:18 AM | Message Detail
That would be good match only because Fox would have no trouble at all with winning.

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"I haven't invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess]." -- Shigeru Miyamoto
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/2/2006 11:51:13 AM | Message Detail
I'd take Fox there. The SSB/M advantage goes to him, and the Star Fox series -- hell, arguably even SF64 by itself -- is bigger here than EB. The Fox we saw in 2k2 and 2k3 could arguably give Ness a loss, and since then the SF:A's and The Boost have hit.

If Ness won that match, it'd be because Star Fox isn't appreciated at all here...and my bottom dollar says that's wrong.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 3/2/2006 12:18:28 PM | Message Detail
hell, arguably even SF64 by itself

Arguably? Do I need to tell you to do a barrel roll, son?
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: MMXC, Fight Night R2, Threads of Fate, Jade Empire
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/2/2006 12:27:24 PM | Message Detail
Would you guys mind if I remade this topic and added Ngamer's new sites to the list of links?

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Currently Playing: Deus Ex, FFTA, MMX5, C&C, FF4A
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/2/2006 12:27:49 PM | Message Detail
Actually, I'll just wait for NG to post in this topic and make a mental note of his sig.

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Currently Playing: Deus Ex, FFTA, MMX5, C&C, FF4A
From: Meteorush | Posted: 3/2/2006 12:28:12 PM | Message Detail
Yes, but only because the first thing this topic says to do is nominate The Prince of Persia.

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Cheer Up Emo Kids
From: Meteorush | Posted: 3/2/2006 12:28:26 PM | Message Detail
Score.

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Cheer Up Emo Kids
From: transience | Posted: 3/2/2006 12:28:33 PM | Message Detail
http://www.thengamer.com/xstats/
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xyzzy
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/2/2006 12:30:56 PM | Message Detail
Ulti, if you think it would fit in, I think the Four-Pack Of Fun board in my sig could be a good addition to the links as well.
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/2/2006 7:50:45 PM | Message Detail
I would need that plus NG's archive site.

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Currently Playing: Deus Ex, FFTA, MMX5, C&C, FF4A
From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 3/3/2006 8:30:04 AM | Message Detail
No purge for you!
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Ramza, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
From: Samurai7 | Posted: 3/3/2006 9:36:05 AM | Message Detail
Don't rule out Ness over fox guys... I know this is based off of 2k3 Fox which is out of date, but 2k5 Ness would be predicted to get 57.28% against 2k3 Fox. I know it doesn't mean Ness will win, but it does mean it would be closer than I think you give credit.
From: therealmnm | Posted: 3/3/2006 9:39:33 AM | Message Detail
2k3 Fox that had a direct SFF matchup against Link? Ummm... yeah.
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From: Samurai7 | Posted: 3/3/2006 9:43:40 AM | Message Detail
2k3 Fox that had a direct SFF matchup against Link? Ummm... yeah.

2k5 Ness had a direct SFF matchup against Mario, who some will argue is better at SFF than Link.

Well Ness gets 53.75% against 2k2 Fox >.>

I guess Assualt would help him, and I don't know how old Adventures is...
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/3/2006 10:54:24 AM | Message Detail
From the last topic...

...why, pray tell (did I use this right?), would Halo rSFF Halo 2?
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From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 3/3/2006 10:56:59 AM | Message Detail
The new links to add are:

lol x-stats - http://thengamer.com/xstats

Every Stats Topic Ever - http://www.thengamer.com/stats/

4-Pack of Fun - somewhere

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"lol x-stats" - The Contest Simulator: http://thengamer.com/xstats
Ngamer's Contest Archives: http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
From: XIII_rocks | Posted: 3/3/2006 10:57:31 AM | Message Detail
Because it is seen as more well-liked.

Halo was the "out of nowhere console saver" that was legendary.

Halo 2 was just the sequel.

Statistically, Halo 2 should be stronger, but were they to face each other, I'd take Halo.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/3/2006 10:57:59 AM | Message Detail
Four-Pack Of Fun - in my pants...or, rather, sig.
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 3/3/2006 10:59:39 AM | Message Detail
I don't think it would, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were indirectly stronger (it's the whole Mario/Samus argument again). Halo 2 sold more, but the game exploded onto the scene for about three months and quickly tapered off (much like all big release Xbox games). The original Halo, on the other hand, is the only exception. It carried the Xbox banner strongly for three years.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/3/2006 11:03:32 AM | Message Detail
Halo 2 was more than "just a sequel." It is arguably the most hyped game to date (though SMB3 most likely deserves that title). It piled up the highest number of pre-orders in history, shattering the previous record. It made a tremendous jump in online players and subscriptions. I think it was the first game to also have a map-pack released and sold as well.

Halo 1's only advantage is that it was first. That's not enough. In fact, looking at your logic, SMB would beat SMB3.
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From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 3/3/2006 11:03:48 AM | Message Detail
I have a hard time imagining someone who would vote for Halo 2 and not Halo. I have an easier time imagining someone who liked Halo but was turned off by the changes they made in H2, and would vote against it.

H2 may have brought some new fans to the franchise, but they would probably support either game of the franchise if it were up against something like StarCraft. But the people who were turned off by H2 and turned their back on the latest in the franchise would be less likely to support.

I'd expect the two to be neck and neck in the x-stats, but for Halo to SFFlaughter it in a direct matchup.

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From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 3/3/2006 11:08:44 AM | Message Detail
And I'd compare it to Goldeneye vs Perfect Dark. PD came later, improved on all aspects, blew away the old multiplayer, was a better game overall... yet will always play second fiddle. Because GE was the game that carried the banner and sold N64s and got everyone in America playing at their friend's houses after school, just as Halo did in the past generation.

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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/3/2006 11:09:18 AM | Message Detail
The original Halo, on the other hand, is the only exception. It carried the Xbox banner strongly for three years.

Then again though, it didn't really have a choice. The Xbox library was a good deal more lackluster in Halo's prime than Halo 2's prime, not to mention there still being some dissent amongst Halo fans about which game in their series is better...oh, and a new system from Microsoft was a year away from Halo 2's release. I'm not surprised it didn't last as long.


I would expect no SFF or blowout in a Halo 1/Halo 2, but I would still feel good about Halo 2's chances.
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 3/3/2006 11:10:57 AM | Message Detail
It piled up the highest number of pre-orders in history, shattering the previous record.

And the record holder before that? The Wind Waker, which would struggle to crack 25% on Ocarina of Time. Really, it's not about hype. In addition, the sales difference is not as large as most would believe (not like sales have really mattered, anyway).

Halo 1's only advantage is that it was first.

Part of me disagrees. I have a feeling that people who don't care about the Halo series or the Xbox (a very large percentage of the GameFAQs population), will be more inclined to vote for the original.

That's not enough. In fact, looking at your logic, SMB would beat SMB3.

Actually, I'd take Halo 2 over Halo in a direct match. I just think Halo might be stronger indirectly.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 3/3/2006 11:12:34 AM | Message Detail
But the people who were turned off by H2 and turned their back on the latest in the franchise would be less likely to support.

Yeah, and Halo 2 has Xbox Live and an insanely popular multiplayer to counter that. And I don't see many people who "turned their back" on Halo 2. Sure there are some people that prefer the original to the sequel, but there are plenty of people that prefer Halo 2. I can't believe this is even an issue...
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/3/2006 11:14:23 AM | Message Detail
And I'd compare it to Goldeneye vs Perfect Dark. PD came later, improved on all aspects, blew away the old multiplayer, was a better game overall... yet will always play second fiddle. Because GE was the game that carried the banner and sold N64s and got everyone in America playing at their friend's houses after school, just as Halo did in the past generation.

Interesting comparison, but at the same time, I would argue that -- if you were to rename Perfect Dark to Goldeneye 007-2 and put the original characters back in -- PD would be acknowledged as the better game by so many more people. As is though, PD sold less, wasn't a true sequel, and lacked the same hype or excitement GE had. Halo 2 sold more than Halo, was a true sequel, and arguably had more hype and excitement than the original.
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 3/3/2006 11:24:17 AM | Message Detail
And I'd compare it to Goldeneye vs Perfect Dark. PD came later, improved on all aspects, blew away the old multiplayer, was a better game overall... yet will always play second fiddle. Because GE was the game that carried the banner and sold N64s and got everyone in America playing at their friend's houses after school, just as Halo did in the past generation.


Problem: GE sold ~3 times as well as PD did. That alone is enough to make the difference.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/3/2006 11:25:53 AM | Message Detail
I knew GE was a damn-good seller, but three times what PD sold? Holy ****...either I didn't realize GE didn't sell that much or I'm thinkin' PD sold more than it really did. Have you got the numbers nearby?
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 3/3/2006 11:29:34 AM | Message Detail
US sales:

Goldeneye: 5,019,000
Perfect Dark: 1,297,000

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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 3/3/2006 11:31:06 AM | Message Detail
Heh, I actually didn't have the US sales for GE, because it wasn't on the JP top 50 list, while PD was. I knew it was around 8M worldwide though, and figured at least half that was in North America. Looks like I still managed to underestimated GE's popularity.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 3/3/2006 11:35:51 AM | Message Detail
Ah; for whatever reason, I was thinkin' PD was just over 2m. That's probably a mix of world-sales and guessing on my part though.
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 3/3/2006 11:38:11 AM | Message Detail
Goldeneye was definitely the N64's most popular game in the US.
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 3/3/2006 11:39:36 AM | Message Detail
Goldeneye was definitely the N64's most popular game in the US.

No it wasn't, SM64 sold 5.9M and MK64 did almost as well with 4.8M.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 3/3/2006 11:41:34 AM | Message Detail
I would *easily* take Halo over Halo 2. Every indication I have ever had from the fanbase, from the message boards to Halo parties in college, indicates that the preference is clearly toward Halo. I can't see it finishing lower than Halo 2 even without the drop-down list, and I can't see Halo 2 finishing ahead of it even with it.

There are many reasons why Halo 2 is less liked than Halo, too (heh). The biggest of which being the horribly received ending.
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 3/3/2006 11:42:19 AM | Message Detail
Yes, but you have to consider the people who played Goldeneye without ever owning it. I know that in my old group of about five buddies, we were all Goldeneye freaks despite the fact that only one of us owned the game.
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