SPP and Tetris DS aren't all that the DS (and Nintendo) has. There's also the stuff that was released after the contest last year, like Animal Crossing: Wild World and Mario Kart DS.



Also, NSMB has been confirmed for a May release in Japan, so hopefully it'll come out soon after in America.



And, the DS Opera web browser is coming out, so DS users will have an even stronger influence on GameFAQs.

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You know what? I'm really not in the mood. For one, I said nothing about the releases this year boosting Link and crew even more. My whole point was that the influx of games for the DS will be enough for Nintendo to maintain their level. I specifically said that I think that the releases this year will be enough to keep Link as top dog. I never said a word about the Square releases NOT doing more for Cloud, and I certainly said nothing about Super Princess Peach doing more for Link than KHII and co. would for Cloud. so you can cut your dramatic arguments and trying to call me ridiculous.



I'm fully aware that Link didn't boost as much as other Nintendo characters. I don't need you to state the obvious to me. I brought that up to point out that Cloud was supposed to gain on Link last year and Link ended up beating his ass worse. I already said in my first post regarding the matter that KHII and co. will be much bigger for Cloud this year and the match will definitely be closer. I just think Link will have enough to maintain his edge over Cloud.



But all in all, like HaRRicH said, but in far fewer words than me, these are all pretty much the same arguments we've heard before. Yes, I know Cloud has a better chance to win this year, but I'll still take my chances with Link. However, it appears that you are all but guaranteeing a Cloud victory for the third straight year. I'm not going to say another word about it.

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SPP and Tetris DS aren't all that the DS (and Nintendo) has. There's also the stuff that was released after the contest last year, like Animal Crossing: Wild World and Mario Kart DS.



I commented on Mario Kart DS in the previous post. But as far as releases between now and the contest, those are about the extent of what Nintendo will have. The only one to add in is the possibility of New Super Mario Bros. being released over here shortly after it releases in Japan.



And, the DS Opera web browser is coming out, so DS users will have an even stronger influence on GameFAQs.



Users will have to purchase an Opera card and it has no set release over here yet. The cost of it is somewhere between $30 - $50 from the converted yen to USD. Unlikely it would be that high here, but it will not just be every DS user connecting or even using the browser. I would not even bother mentiong it, really. It is about as insigificant as you can get. It will not provide anything new as far as voters go.



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My whole point was that the influx of games for the DS will be enough for Nintendo to maintain their level.



I certainly did not see it that way, but I do apologize if that is what you meant. That said, I never even tried to imply that Nintendo would take a dip. When I think about characters winning, I never rely on their opponents taking a decrease in order for them to do so. It just does not make any sense. You should always assume they would maintain their current strength from each contest. I figured that just went without saying. I took what you were saying as something that would provide something resembling a notable boost for Link and/or Nintendo.



I specifically said that I think that the releases this year will be enough to keep Link as top dog.



That would still imply that either Cloud gets very little from his releases or Link gets some type of increase from the releases. Link staying the same and still winning would mean everything release did basically nothing for Cloud.



I just think Link will have enough to maintain his edge over Cloud.



This is where I just do not see how he will be able to maintain his edge over Cloud with just so little in his favor, but whatever.



But all in all, like HaRRicH said, but in far fewer words than me, these are all pretty much the same arguments we've heard before.



And as Leonhart said, these arguments were made when we figured Advent Children would be released. When things get delayed, you will undoubtedly hear those very arguments again the next year. How many times have we gone at TP/AC and everyting else before? Until they get released in America, these arguments will always resurface.



However, it appears that you are all but guaranteeing a Cloud victory for the third straight year. I'm not going to say another word about it.



I guaranteed Cloud would have won last year with an American release of Advent Children. It was the perfect time for him to do so. Things just did not go that way. In 2004, Cloud was the previous champion so I figured he would be able to hold on there. This year, however, there is more than just on item of business and nothing I find notable in Link's favor, outside of his usual strong self. Anyone is free to save the quote for later use, but I am indeed guaranteeing that Cloud beats Link this year.



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I look forward to him losing with his OoT/TP picture. =p



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I guaranteed Cloud would have won last year with an American release of Advent Children. It was the perfect time for him to do so.



Even with American AC he would've lost. Your "guarantees" don't always come through.



That would still imply that either Cloud gets very little from his releases or Link gets some type of increase from the releases. Link staying the same and still winning would mean everything release did basically nothing for Cloud.





I think mnm was suggesting something like Cloud dropping one percent, and getting a three percent boost from the things you mentioned, while Link drops one percent and gains it back from all the Nintendo stuff.

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Even with American AC he would've lost. Your "guarantees" don't always come through.



There is no way one can say for certain either way.



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Do you plan to buy Final Fantasy: Advent Children when it's released in April?



Yes, I've got it pre-ordered 4.47% 57

Yes, I'll probably pick it up 34.14% 435

Maybe, I'd need to read the reviews 11.22% 143

Seen it already, don't need to see it again 24.88% 317

No, I'm not interested in it 25.27% 322

TOTAL VOTES 1274





This'll be a good poll today.



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It'd be even better if there were an option for "Yes, even though I've already seen it."

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A fitting poll.

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The funny thing is how all the AC numbers that Cloud supporters threw out last Summer are now working against them. Remember that? "Watch out for Cloud and Seph in the ToC- I was at a torrent site and AC had already been downloaded 150,000 times! And that's just on one site, imagine how many in the rest of North America will have seen it by now!" And then Link goes out and wins by even more.



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Well, you could make a case that it DID help Sephiroth. He trounced Mario like it was nothing, despite early struggles against Bowser and Ganon just months earlier. Plus, he's even farther ahead in the 2005 stats.

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Heh, then let me ask this: if AC didn't help Cloud any but helped Sephiroth like last year suggested, would anybody bother to take Sephiroth over Cloud this year? FF:AC supposed to do sooooo much more once it's released, and -- until further notice -- I'm assuming Cloud and Sephiroth both have equal-sized roles in KH2. I don't think either of them are confirmed for FF:DoC, either, though fans of Vincent may be more apt to bring in more fans of Cloud/Sephiroth than Sephiroth/Cloud.



Who here thinks FF:AC helped Cloud last year? Who here thinks FF:AC helped Sephiroth last year? Who here thinks FF:AC being released in America will make a noticably bigger impact than when it leaked in America? Would anybody here take Sephiroth over Cloud next year? For what it's worth, Sephiroth got 44% against Cloud in 2k4, yet was expected to get 47.37% on Cloud in 2k5.

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if link loses this year people won't mind right?

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Well, it wouldn't be the end of the world, considering the 60% he'll put up on the rest of the field post-TP.



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I would, heh. Link and Cloud are both fine in my book, I just prefer Link more than Cloud.

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I don't think either of them are confirmed for FF:DoC, either



The game has been released in Japan, and Cloud is in it.

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would anybody bother to take Sephiroth over Cloud this year



I would never take Sephiroth over Cloud, myself.



I don't think either of them are confirmed for FF:DoC, either, though fans of Vincent may be more apt to bring in more fans of Cloud/Sephiroth than Sephiroth/Cloud.



Having played Dirge of Cerberus, Cloud is in the game, though his role is definitely small. He has a couple of cool scenes, but not much beyond that. Sephiroth, however, is mentioned only in name. Every FFVII spinoff post-Advent Children (timeline wise, DoC takes place one year after AC) will not feature Sephiroth, just for the record.



Who here thinks FF:AC helped Cloud last year? Who here thinks FF:AC helped Sephiroth last year?



I do not think it helped either of them in any notable fashion, to be honest. And if it helped Sephiroth, it would be odd that Cloud got basically no help from it at all, despite the movie revolving entirely around him.



Who here thinks FF:AC being released in America will make a noticably bigger impact than when it leaked in America?



Just as with everything, I will take an American release with American voice actors and American advertising over a torrent put up on the Internet. There are still actual people who are anticipating the movie who have not seen it. These are people at the Advent Children board and the forums at AdventChildren.net, too. There are still a good number of folks wanting to get their copies legitimately and through localization.



Would anybody here take Sephiroth over Cloud next year?



I know I would not. I really cannot ever see myself pick Sephiroth over Cloud unless he were to get a game dedicated to himself.



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if link loses this year people won't mind right?



It would actually make me happy. =p



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link will have the 00s in his pocket once twilight princess comes out.

anything major with him in it and the 10s might be his for the taking.

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A Final Fantasy VII remake could certainly go up against Twilight Princess. But that would be a couple of contests at least. So really not worth getting into. He definitely seems all set for 2007's contest though.



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I don't get all of the discussion about movies helping characters on a site dedicated to games. Game movies come out all the time; most are horrible and do nothing to boost character strength, and I don't see how Advent Children (which I find to be damn mediocre, and that's being nice) is going to change this.



If the movie stinks (Tomb Raider 2, Resident Evil, Doom, or virtually any other gaming movie come to mind), it won't help the character much. The FF7 clan would be better-served to rely on games for help instead of iffy movie titles, and I don't see this happening until an FF7 remake. You guys can pick Cloud > Link all you want, but I think you're way off.



I could be wrong, but who knows. Cloud beating Link on a Nintendo/Zelda-dominated site that's turned its back on Square lately just seems like a pipe dream to me, especially after Twilight Princess.



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I don't get all of the discussion about movies helping characters on a site dedicated to games. Game movies come out all the time; most are horrible and do nothing to boost character strength, and I don't see how Advent Children (which I find to be damn mediocre, and that's being nice) is going to change this.



Most also are based around characters who are already trash in this contest and are generally for those the site does not give anything about. Lara Croft, Jill Valentine, etc. are not at all cared in anywhere near the same light as Cloud and the rest of Final Fantasy VII. Advent Children is quite easily above the level of mediocre while we are at it. People who have seen the movie will generally give you very positive remarks about it over negative.



If the movie stinks (Tomb Raider 2, Resident Evil, Doom, or virtually any other gaming movie come to mind), it won't help the character much.



Yeah. Now look at the characters who those movies would be expected to help, or not affect at all. Lara Croft (right), Jill Valentine (who is nothing but a small cameo), and we have not seen any Doom characters, and we never should. In comparison, we have Cloud, Sephiroth, Vincent, Tifa, etc. who are all some of the strongest characters on this site and it is based around this website's favorite game : Final Fantasy VII.



The FF7 clan would be better-served to rely on games for help instead of iffy movie titles, and I don't see this happening until an FF7 remake. You guys can pick Cloud > Link all you want, but I think you're way off.



A Final Fantasy VII remake undoubtedly kills Advent Children; there is certainly no one doubting or arguing against that. But Cloud over Link when Cloud has three things, movie included, going his way along with a new surge of Square fans coming to the site should certainly be enough to take down Link. I do not see how you can logically assume anyone thinking that is "way off."



Cloud beating Link on a Nintendo/Zelda-dominated site that's turned its back on Square lately just seems like a pipe dream to me, especially after Twilight Princess.



What, exactly, has Square provided for this site to go crazy over? I am sure you can come up with just about nothing. Now what has Nintendo provided to this site? I am sure you can name at least a few major things. This is going to be a big year for Square due to what they are releasing. And Twilight Princess will not be coming out before this contest.



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Cloud beating Link on a Nintendo/Zelda-dominated site that's turned its back on Square lately just seems like a pipe dream to me, especially after Twilight Princess.



Yes, but we're talking BEFORE Twilight Princess this year. Cloud also has a sizable chunk of KHII devoted to him in a sidequest, which I believe will end up helping him more than Advent Children will. As I said before, Kingdom Hearts is the best thing Square has going for them at the moment. It WILL help. The only question is: How much?

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Yeah, I think TP coming out before the next contest if more of a pipe dream than Cloud beating Link.



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Kingdom Hearts provided more of a boost for Cloud than anything we have ever seen Link get. Yet his role in that game was even smaller than what it will be in Kingdom Hearts II.



What other than poorly received poorly drawn Windwaker is there to draw that comparison? And the fact that KH Cloud has been seen before could very well reduce his boost. Don't forget that even though boosted he beat Link, it was no cakewalk.



Keeping in mind that Cloud needs only 3%, new auidence or not, to have the necessary strength to take down Link who is going to have nothing in his favor.



He could have Twilight Princess. And, you can't be so sure this KH is going to boost Cloud. It's not a strong comparison, but Chain of Memories didn't help him, and that at least was an entirely different audience.



People do not need to go out en masse and play the Final Fantasy games again. Cloud is once again given to an auidence he normally is not reaching.



I think the Playstation audience is fairly used to Cloud.



Kingdom Hearts II is not the only thing that will helping Cloud either; he will have Advent Children there to further push him forward. I really cannot believe these once guaranteed factors for Cloud winning are now being doubted in such a way that says he cannot or is unlikely to win. It is just absurd. I cannot believe I am having to really argue KH2 helping Cloud.



They are certainly far from guaranteed. You have a movie and a side character at the end of the day. Not a new FFVII.



How in the world something like that would do anything for Link, though, is beyond me.



Well...I never said anything about Link, I was just offering some examples of potentially killer ds apps, that's all.



You want to argue that Link has Super Princess Peach and Tetris DS to help him.



Could you stop overemphasizing this? I think maybe one person brought those up as reasons for Link boosting. You're overexaggerating this as much you are Advent Children.



And I realize some of these points have been addressed, but frankly, I don't care.

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What other than poorly received poorly drawn Windwaker is there to draw that comparison? And the fact that KH Cloud has been seen before could very well reduce his boost. Don't forget that even though boosted he beat Link, it was no cakewalk.



... I am well aware that Cloud's boost is not going to resemble what it was from Kingdom Hearts in the slightest. That would be just be bias and absurdity coming from me to even suggest a boost like that was in store for Cloud. I am thinking more along the lines of 1 - 3% for KH2 alone. The larger role -- an entire sidequest dedicated to him -- and the surge of Square fans that will be brought to the site would allow for that to happen. I am not expecting Cloud to go out and beat Link this year with 53%. I still expect a tight fight between the two, but my expectation is confidently in Cloud.



He could have Twilight Princess.



I would bet something valuable that Twilight Princess will not be released before or during the contest. We are in the middle of February and have heard nothing on the game in a long time. I am expecting something close to the Revolution launch. According to Reggie's rather recent statements in an interview, it seemed to imply that something closer to November may be in store for the game. Still launching on the GameCube, of course, but I would be genuinely shocked if it was released.



And, you can't be so sure this KH is going to boost Cloud. It's not a strong comparison, but Chain of Memories didn't help him, and that at least was an entirely different audience.



Chain of Memories is not even comparable to Kingdom Hearts II. The latter has been far more hyped and far more anticipated than its GBA counterpart, which did not even crack a million copies sold, at least not to my numbers. His role in that game was also limited to a summon or something was it not? KH2 is his biggest role within the KH series.



They are certainly far from guaranteed. You have a movie and a side character at the end of the day. Not a new FFVII.



You also have a boost of 2.94% needed, a change in 2900 votes, or just 5800 completely new fans voting for him. No matter how you slice it, he does not need a FFVII remake to take care of Link. The "side character" was what got him his first championship in the first place. The movie, according to this poll, has at least 18,000 people who are wanting to see it. A possible 23,000 total -- roughly 52% of the poll voters. There is certainly enough people wanting to view it to turn the tides.



Well...I never said anything about Link, I was just offering some examples of potentially killer ds apps, that's all.



New Super Mario Bros. is a killer app. The others really do not fall under such a title. They are not must own titles for the DS nor are they reason to purchase the system.



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To bring up something that hasn't been mentioned in a loooooong time, don't forget that, by all means, Cloud should be noticably stronger in 2k2 than what's shown, thus making his 2k3 boost seem less incredible. A fine boost, most definitely, but I think that Mario/Cloud is easy to forget about when you think of the gain Cloud made in 2k3.

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Advent Children is quite easily above the level of mediocre while we are at it.



Someone give this guy an Oscar.



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The movie, according to this poll, has at least 18,000 people who are wanting to see it.



That's 18,000 people who want to buy it. A good chunk of tham have already seen the movie. I'd say a good 35-55% of the potential audience has already seen the movie and Cloud didn't move an inch.

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The larger role -- an entire sidequest dedicated to him -- and the surge of Square fans that will be brought to the site



an entire sidequest? That sounds almost ironic.



I would bet something valuable that Twilight Princess will not be released before or during the contest. We are in the middle of February and have heard nothing on the game in a long time. I am expecting something close to the Revolution launch. According to Reggie's rather recent statements in an interview, it seemed to imply that something closer to November may be in store for the game. Still launching on the GameCube, of course, but I would be genuinely shocked if it was released.



This isn't pertinent to this discussion, but it's still discussion. Why wouldn't...or why didn't Nintendo just abandon GC Zelda and release it on the Rev? How much can it help the GC if the Rev is right around the corner? If Rev is in November, Twilight shouldn't be any closer than September. And, that would be in time for the contest. Maybe.



New Super Mario Bros. is a killer app. The others really do not fall under such a title. They are not must own titles for the DS nor are they reason to purchase the system.



The main point I was making was that I wasn't arguing that they would help Link. I dont really care if Super Princess Peach is a killer app.



And it should also be brought up again, despite whatever user reviews or whatnot people constantly bring up, that people buying/viewing Advent Children are much more likely to be voting Cloud anyway than the average Joe. That point gets minimized far more often than it should.



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A fine boost, most definitely, but I think that Mario/Cloud is easy to forget about when you think of the gain Cloud made in 2k3.



It truthfully does not really matter. The boost needed from KH2 does not need to be anywhere near as significant as it was originally, Mario/Cloud problem or not.



Someone give this guy an Oscar.



I would love to hear why it was medicore at best, Ulti. I know you are so damn good at actually giving me more to work with than your little comment about how good it is without naming its faults.



That's 18,000 people who want to buy it. A good chunk of tham have already seen the movie.



There is no way to possibly tell how many have or have not seen the movie. Like mentioned long ago, it would have been nice to see an option that stated "Yes, but I have already seen it." There is also no way to tell if they saw it before the match in 2005 or sometime long after. In the latter case, even having already seen it, it would not have affected Cloud in the match and still allows him to get a boost from it.



I'd say a good 35-55% of the potential audience has already seen the movie and Cloud didn't move an inch.



I seriously doubt you being correct, but even if you were, the time in which they saw it is very important. If it were after the contest, then of course Cloud should not have moved any. By no means did everyone see it within the week it got put into a torrent on the Internet. Believing that would be silly.



an entire sidequest? That sounds almost ironic.



That is a larger role than he had in Kingdom Hearts, which provided him with a significant boost no matter how you look at it. But you seem to still be thinking it needs to help him in a large amount. Considering the influx of Square fans, Cloud's larger role, and Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus, he has everything he needs to make up, again, 2.94%.



Why wouldn't...or why didn't Nintendo just abandon GC Zelda and release it on the Rev? How much can it help the GC if the Rev is right around the corner? If Rev is in November, Twilight shouldn't be any closer than September. And, that would be in time for the contest. Maybe.



Nintendo has already said it was going to release on the GameCube. The GameCube is backward compatible with the Revolution, so releasing it on the GameCube is by far the better of the two strategies. It does not require everyone to buy a new Revolution to play the game. GameCube owners can still purchase the game, but those wanting a Revolution can also play the game, too. The odds of Revolution features being available are also likely, meaning that it has even greater appeal to those purchasing a Revolution. The earliest I expect to see Twilight Princess is in October, personally. And you are still working in a very big "What if," the same game we have played for a couple of years now.



And it should also be brought up again, despite whatever user reviews or whatnot people constantly bring up, that people buying/viewing Advent Children are much more likely to be voting Cloud anyway than the average Joe.



When Cloud and Link are two of the most prominent characters on this website, there is an undoubted overlap in their fans. To think they have exclusive fans with no overlap is nothing short of stupidity. Those watching Advent Children can very well be Link fans who have voted from him in the past. The movie definitely has the ability to change a voter's mind. You have the fanbase that will purchase this movie who are likely to vote for Cloud just like you have Link fans who are going to be purchasing Twilight Princess.



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Advent Children is extremely well-liked by those that have seen it. IMDb scores are (generally) quite accurate, and an 8.1 is absolutely phenomenal for that site.

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What's with the "AC helped Cloud 0% last year" talk? Given Seph's upward trend and the better performances by the rest of Zelda, wouldn't it make more sense to assume that Link Nintendo Boosted a decent bit himself, and AC was helpful enough for Cloud to about equal the jump?



Seems to me that on gameday, alot of people had downloaded AC, or else were about to and wanted to check an FAQ to refresh themselves on the storyline before watching. And that helped Cloud out, somewhat. This year, not only will the movie not be a hot topic of discussion online ("hey dude, know where I can find an FF:AC torrent?"), it will also have been out long enough that no one will be coming to GameFAQs to refresh themselves on the story.



Honestly though, I think we've about run the well dry on this topic.



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The GameCube is backward compatible with the Revolution, so releasing it on the GameCube is by far the better of the two strategies.



Uh, not if their goal is to sell Revolutions.

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Ngamer, I think the problem is that if Cloud boosted last year, than basically the whole field boosted. Least squares comparisons indicate that Cloud was basically unchanged from 2004.

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Twlight Princess doesn't need to be released before or during the contest for Link to win again. A simple commercial for the damn game during the contest will at least keep him at his 2k5 level in comparison to Cloud.

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I know you are so damn good at actually giving me more to work with than your little comment about how good it is without naming its faults.



Believe it or not, I can't really do that until the English release comes out and I'm actually able to understand the dialogue. I couldn't get the subtitles to work in the Jap version I downloaded.



So that leaves me to judge the action scenes, which I found to be a lame fan service. And with AC being one of the most ridiculous things I'd ever seen, I promptly deleted it from my hard drive. I plan on giving it another chance when I can hear some English, so we'll see what happens.



That said, I still say FF7 fans are overestimating the hell out of the possible effects. You're safer betting on Kingdom Hearts Factor 2.0 than you are AC. Cloud/Sephy/Vincent all had the Super Mario Sunshine effect to work with and none came close to pulling upsets.



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Vincent did. A 5% overperformance is extremely impressive, even moreso than what Mario did against Cloud.

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How can 5% be more impressive than a bigger overperformance?

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I'm actually not banking on AC doing much of anything--if it does, it does, but my money's on Kingdom Hearts II. If people don't think that will bring in TONS of people to the site, then I don't know what to tell them.



And going back to something someone mentioned eariler, while we may not have an accurate gauge for Cloud's boost in 2k3 thanks to Mario/Cloud, we certainly have one for Sephiroth (about 30000 votes against Mega Man, heh). And his role was NOTHING in Kingdom Hearts. At least Cloud's cameo was unavoidable, there are half the people I've seen beat the game who don't even know Sephy's in it (granted, that's what GameFAQs is for...but still). His boost STILL baffles me, which is why I think he had more help than just his minute appearance in it. An influx of more favorable fans probably helped him too.

KH does have a good point there...and I believe that's forgetting about the infamous WDF from 2k2, too; Sephiroth's gain both against Mega Man and compared to his 2k2 showing (especially if you believe Sephiroth over-performed in 2k2) was huge.

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Who says that Vincent overperformed by 5%?



lol, X-Stats



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I've been saying that since the beginning. People were even saying that Aeris's minor appearance caused fans to like her more, which I don't buy at all. It almost had to be a voter influx. The only person I think who's presence in KH made people significantly like them more is Squall (and maybe Cloud). I would chalk the rest up to a change in the voter base.

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How can 5% be more impressive than a bigger overperformance?



Because assuming Cloud would get 51.89% against WDF Seph, it wasn't a bigger overperformance.



Who says that Vincent overperformed by 5%?



lol, X-Stats





Why mention the stats? That stats say he didn't overperform.

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Okay, so what says that Vincent overperformed by 5%? rSFF?



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rSFF, Sunshine effect, bandwagon boost (*cough* Magus/Frog *cough*)...or it could be perfectly legit, and now virtually everyone in the Devil Division (including Magus) are now near-elites. You tell me.