I could never, EVER see Peach go 50/50 with MC...ever. Yeah, people know Peach, but if they don't care about her she's just another Wario or Pac-Man.

My thoughts exactly. The thing with Peach is... sure, she doesn't have any haters. You know why that is? No one cares. She's very bland, and doesn't do much to stand out. I know that the SMB poll makes Yoshi > Mario... but so what? It doesn't need to be a rigid definition. In that same poll, Peach is barely edging out Waluigi. Wario quadded her, I believe... and while she may not be weaker than Wario (like I said, not rigid) it's very much a stretch to say she'd go much higher than that.

She's recognizable... yeah. Put her against someone cult like Vyse, she'll beat him just out of sheer recognition. Put her against someone like Dante, and just like with Terra her votes are in effect "SFFed" (I'm not saying there's DMC/SMB SFF, settle down now) because no one really cares about her.

I wouldn't be surprised if Peach was weaker than every one of the Nomination Rally winners. Even Captain Falcon.

Anti-Peach rants totally rule.
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Raiden is still [-29] nominations short! I don't hate her... but like my post said... I don't CARE
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=25457391

Discussions like this are why we need Peach in the contest. Someone is going to get owned.
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DA-DING Da-Ding da-ding-ding!

I kinda agree, though. I may not really care about Peach, but I wouldn't mind seeing her in just to place her. Kinda similar to Raiden with the whole wide range thing, people could definitely get burned.
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Raiden is still [-29] nominations short!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=25457391

and Kerrigan!
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xyzzy

No. Just no. Nothing can be compared to Kerrigan's flop. That was a double whammy. Not only was Kerrigan being overrated, but Vincent was also being underrated. There aren't many laughers bigger than Miss Queen ***** as far as heated debates are concerned.
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: MMXC, Fight Night R2, Threads of Fate, Jade Empire

To add on to that, I can agree to disagree regarding Peach. In comparison, I couldn't bear stand by and let someone actually think that Kerrigan would beat Vincent Valentine. A huge difference. <_<;
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: MMXC, Fight Night R2, Threads of Fate, Jade Empire

I dunno, I thought Dante/Vincent was worse. Vincent/Kerrigan had a lot of HA HA TOLD U SO, but Dante/Vincent was a war between a ton of users that completely overshadowed the previous match.
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xyzzy

Oh, I'm not talking about actual debates. I'm talking about how far off one side of the match was. Both sides in the Dante/Vincent debate were "winners". Dante supporters can hold their heads high and say they weren't too far off. Kerrigan's overrated expectations added along with the same people underrating Vincent equaled one of the biggest gaps I've seen in a debate.
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: MMXC, Fight Night R2, Threads of Fate, Jade Empire

oh, agreed 100%. no match made people look stupid like Vincent/Kerrigan. only Tifa/Vyse compares, though that was because people were calling for her to take the main bracket.
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xyzzy

This topic may as well have been FF7 Stats and Discussion between the first and second round last year...
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Raiden is still [-29] nominations short!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=25457391

Heck, that's why we need to keep Mario in, it's not like he's unbeatable.

I think it would be hard to argue someone over Mario with New Super Mario Bros. right before the Summer Contest would begin.

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"I haven't invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess]." -- Shigeru Miyamoto

...I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mean a Clinkeroth-less bracket, right?
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xyzzy

24 years old baybee!

*turns into Jack Bauer*
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: MMXC, Fight Night R2, Threads of Fate, Jade Empire

happy birthday, yo!


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xyzzy

...I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mean a Clinkeroth-less bracket, right?

Well yeah. Karma Hunter's comment referred to some people on the board who feel Mario should be removed from the main bracket and put into what they assume will be another Tournament of Champions.

I might have agreed with the idea before that Crono could maybe still throw in some chance of a win, or at least make it interesting, with the influx of Square fans that will be at the site, but New Super Mario Bros. May 7th cements Mario's victory if Clinkeroth is removed again.

That said, Mario > Sephiroth, yo.

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"I haven't invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess]." -- Shigeru Miyamoto

happy birthday!

and:

it's fine if you like Peach, but when there's six other rallies for six other SSBM characters, someone's gotta get dropped.

Bleck! Not when she's the only one who doesn't need ssbm for all/any of her strength.

And the only thing bland about Peach is the Bland Cake she makes in Paper Mario n64! *sigh* but, anyways, if we're looking for characters who have potential strength, I'll take Peach anyday over Subzero.
Peach's potential >>>> Subzero's potential

and...yeah, I'm tired, so that's all I care to contribute right now.

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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb

Bleck! Not when she's the only one who doesn't need ssbm for all/any of her strength.

true, but SSBM would be the most significant portion of her popularity. what other game is there a playable peach? Mario 2 isn't a big hit and MK is a racing series, whereas SSBM is Super Seven here.

Peach's potential >>>> Subzero's potential

key word: potential. it means she may be higher than Sub could ever be, but she could also be much lower.

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xyzzy

MK is a racing series

*dot dot dot*

Seriously you cannot be writing off Mario Kart because it's a racing series? It's not just a racing series. It's MARIO KART! The Mario brand matters so much more than the racing brand. That's like saying SSBM is just a fighting game... and we see how popular it is when compared to other fighting games. And SMK is much more popular over most racing games than SSBM is over most other fighting games.

And as for SSBM being the most significant portion of her popularity, I'd say that Zelda benefited more from SSBM than Peach did. Her presence as Sheik is much more noticeable in that game.
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: MMXC, Fight Night R2, Threads of Fate, Jade Empire

you'd actually expect a significant number of people to say "yo, she kicked ass in Kart!" *click* ?

not I! I agree with you that it's more than just a racing game, but if Mario Kart is the deciding factor for her popularity she's going to bomb.

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xyzzy

Oh, of course not. One game isn't going to be the deciding factor in anything related to Peach. It's her overall presence in the Mario series.
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: MMXC, Fight Night R2, Threads of Fate, Jade Empire

Everyone on this board keeps hyping the new SMB, but outside here I have heard absolutely *nothing* about it. No hype...no nothing. Now admittedly, this could be one of those things that just sneaks up on me when I'm not looking (I didn't know Super Mario Sunshine was out until a month later, and I voted in Mario/Cloud)...but I'm not quite ready to give Mario the championship just yet based on that.

Not that he would even need it, of course, but I remain skeptical.
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Please, nominate Aeris Gainsborough for SC2k6:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751

yeah, if Heroic Mario didn't exist I wouldn't even know it was coming. even with him I don't know a god damn thing about it.
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xyzzy

I sorta wish Nintendo would do original traditional Mario games more often...is one every console generation the best we're going to get? The Super Mario Advance games pissed me off to no end in that they were little but rereleases, and with all the resources they put into spinoffs you'd think they could bother to come out with some 'true' Mario games every once in a while.

...come to think of it, Nintendo hasn't been as great lately as I've given them credit for, DS or not. Square has just been that much worse. *sigh*
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Please, nominate Aeris Gainsborough for SC2k6:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751

yeah, I agree. there's been essentially one Mario title in the last ten years, and that was SMS. Nintendo milks their franchises just as badly as Square does.

kinda weird to think that they've put more into Metroid than any other series lately.


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xyzzy

? I've heard more than enough about the game. I've been waiting on it since I first heard about it last year. Granted, it's about time that Nintendo markets the game more on television and stuff. With Xbox360 hype slowed since the holiday break, and no Rev or PS3 yet, now is the perfect time for them to start flashing some commercials showing the actual gameplay.

Show just a clip of Mario getting the Super Mushroom and growing to that humongous size is reason enough to get everyone buzzing about the game.
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: MMXC, Fight Night R2, Threads of Fate, Jade Empire

kinda weird to think that they've put more into Metroid than any other series lately.

Samus over Mario for 2k6?!?!?!
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Please, nominate Aeris Gainsborough for SC2k6:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751

for me, it's all Tetris DS. that's the one game that will actually make me get a DS.

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xyzzy

Samus over Mario for 2k6?!?!?!

Metroid Prime Hunters boost?!!?!
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xyzzy

Everyone on this board keeps hyping the new SMB, but outside here I have heard absolutely *nothing* about it. No hype...no nothing.

Well, truth be told, we had heard very little on it until recently during the DS Lite conference. The last time there was any video, screenshots, or anything was from E3 2005. At said conference, Nintendo announced it would release on May 7th. A few days later, Nintendo of America made an official announcement that May 7th Mario would return to his side-scrolling roots in New Super Mario Bros.

I would expect Nintendo to begin advertising and hyping here shortly. They know it is going to be absolutely massive. The last 2D Mario game was 16 years ago. Not only that, but the fact that is called "Mario Bros." has everyone speculating that the sales are going to be huge. The final bit is that retailers are saying that Nintendo's plan is launch the Nintendo DS Lite with New Super Mario Bros., meaning that hype is going to be huge at some point. And, to top it all off, Nintendo's huge Revolution unveiling is two days later. Got a bit off track there, but anyway...

There has been information about the game, despite how there seems there hasn't been. It had a full article in Nintendo Power outlining of the things it would and wouldn't have (no Yoshi, no yelling when Mario jumps; classic Mario jump sound, no WiFi online abilities. Multiplayer, Mario and Luigi playable, a world map similar to Super Mario World, a variety of levels, tons of power-ups -- new and old, etc.). Though it may not seem like it now, New Super Mario Bros. is going to be one of Nintendo's biggest titles in terms of sales that they have seen in a long, long time. This selling multi-millions in every territory should be expected.

It is just a matter of waiting for the inevitable bombardment of advertising from Nintendo.

I'm not quite ready to give Mario the championship just yet based on that.

I really don't see why. We already saw that Mario was quite a bit ahead of the nearest competitor. No one from Nintendo, save for Link, is going to give him anything to worry about, Crono was just beat down, the rest of the Noble Nine just aren't worth mentioning. Like I said earlier, if Mario didn't have NSMB, I would say Crono giving Mario a match this year would not be unlikely with the all those Square fans, but Mario and co. could not have asked for a better time to get a huge new release. It also helps that Nintendo unloads all the secrets to the Revolution just days later.

I think it is hard to argue Crono, or anyone else, having a shot at taking out the plumber this year.

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"I haven't invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess]." -- Shigeru Miyamoto

...come to think of it, Nintendo hasn't been as great lately as I've given them credit for, DS or not.

I actually think they are at the best they have been in a long, long time. Nearly everything they announce these days gets me excited. The Nintendo DS has been a spectacular system, the Revolution sounds better every time the slightest information leaks, and the games they have released now and that are coming in the future are incredible. I wouldn't say it is just that Square has been that bad, though they certainly have dropped the ball a lot since FFX - KH. I think they'll be undoubtedly be regaining a lot of lost steam this year though. It should make for a damn fine contest.

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"I haven't invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess]." -- Shigeru Miyamoto

well, Mario was beat down by a very similar margin in 2004, too. Mario is obviously the favourite if you take Clinkeroth out, but it's by no means an automatic win. and under no circumstances do I take Mario over Sephiroth, especially after his two convincing wins in 2003 and 2005.

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xyzzy

I would take Mario over Sephiroth in my favorites bracket...but odds are he'll run into Snake before that!!!
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Please, nominate Aeris Gainsborough for SC2k6:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751

Mario over Sephiroth is something that I am definitely considering, though I would not expect anyone else to give it a second thought. It has a lot of "hope" involved in it, as it is hard to really present a case where Mario does have a serious advantage over Sephiroth, given that AC and KH2 are going to release.

But for the main bracket? I just cannot see anyone giving Mario a match. He's got a huge new game coming right before the contest gets going. It releases at the most opportune time, I would think. It is after Square's KH2 and AC, so there is none of that forgetting deal. It has enough time to sell tons of copies to the American public and still remain very fresh in people's minds, and Mario already has a rather hefty advantage over anyone else in a Clinkeroth-less bracket. The only semi-decent argument is just year-to-year variation or the influx of Square fans allowing Crono to catch up and out do any boost Mario would get from NSMB. That is really hard for me to buy.

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"I haven't invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess]." -- Shigeru Miyamoto

I'd expect Mario to be in the ToC rather than be in the tournament all over again.

Personally, I think it would be a double standard to put Mario back in the main bracket and still keep Clinkeroth out. After all, Sephy got a championship for much less than Mario did. Just because he's still well below the rest is no excuse to put him back in. If we have a Tournament of Champions, you can't NOT put Mario in it.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

if we're looking for characters who have potential strength, I'll take Peach anyday over Subzero.
Peach's potential >>>> Subzero's potential

Well, nobody's really questioning that Sub-Zero has a small range, but I'd still rather see him than Peach. There is still a possibility that he could surprise us. Everyone's so convinced that he can't possibly be a good distance above Scorpion, but you never know.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

Just to add to it, I think his range-minimum is higher than most despite his range not being as large as the other four's ranges or Peach's.
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Maybe it's just me, but would anyone mind seeing something non-video game related, such as a cartoon characters or movie characters contest? I would enjoy seeing how those things would turn out.
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"A huge void in her heart. It is filled not by darkness, but kindness from others." - Presea Combatir, the Empty Soul

How do these recent 'Got ___ ' polls compare to previous iterations?

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"Now I realise.. I wasn't pursuing Sephiroth.
I was being summoned by Sephiroth"

PS2: (10/14/2005)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2165
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2300

Total "yes" has increased from 75.75 to 77.06. A shift towards to slim PSTwo too.

Gamecube: (10/15/2005)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2166
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2301

Total "yes" has fell from 69.74 to 68.99. Total planning to buy a Gamecube for TP has also fell. I'm guessing that's because they are planning to get a Revolution instead due to backwards compatability.

XBox: (10/16/2005)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2167
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2302

The day vote should change things significantly so there's not much to say on this one. Offline has almost caught up to the older polls as of right now, but Xbox Live is way behind.

GBA/DS: (10/17/2005)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2168
PSP: (10/18/2005)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2169
PC: (10/19/2005)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2170
XBox 360: (11/22/2005)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2203
Eggnog: (12/24/2005)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2235
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"Why did I become a lawyer in the first place...? Because someone has to look out for the people who have no one on their side." ~Phoenix Wright

Thanks a lot TRE.
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"Now I realise.. I wasn't pursuing Sephiroth.
I was being summoned by Sephiroth"

Seriously, <3

Anyway, I guess this kinda puts a dent into the whole voter shift idea, no? If the GC's going down, I can't see Link going up too much..
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"Now I realise.. I wasn't pursuing Sephiroth.
I was being summoned by Sephiroth"

Anyway, I guess this kinda puts a dent into the whole voter shift idea, no? If the GC's going down, I can't see Link going up too much..

Got GBA/DS?

Don't forget that the DS is Nintendo's major player right now. The Gamecube drop is expect seeing as there's nothing really out there right now for Gamecube. I bet the DS numbers are up though since October with the release of Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, M&L2, DoS, etc.
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: MMXC, Fight Night R2, Threads of Fate, Jade Empire

Got GBA/DS?

Don't forget that the DS is Nintendo's major player right now. The Gamecube drop is expect seeing as there's nothing really out there right now for Gamecube. I bet the DS numbers are up though since October with the release of Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, M&L2, DoS, etc.

Yeah but I thought the idea was that the DS would cause an increase of Nintendo (also GC) fans. If the influx is limited strictly to the DS, that means Nintendo non-DS characters (like Link or Zelda) shouldn't be expecting any boosts this year..

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"Now I realise.. I wasn't pursuing Sephiroth.
I was being summoned by Sephiroth"

If the GC's going down, I can't see Link going up too much..

Why would someone be expecting Link to any up anyway? I don't think he will have much change from how he was in 2005.

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"I haven't invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess]." -- Shigeru Miyamoto

Why would someone be expecting Link to any up anyway? I don't think he will have much change from how he was in 2005

I've seen some people use the voter influx as an argument for Link winning sc2k6.

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"Now I realise.. I wasn't pursuing Sephiroth.
I was being summoned by Sephiroth"

If Link wins again, it would not be because he increased. I would say it was either because he is just too strong to ever lose, even with increased Square support, or Cloud's boost from KH2 and AC just wasn't as much as he needed to overcome Link.

The entire idea of Link going up again from Nintendo DS games and such never made much sense to me and it still doesn't. Just because there are Nintendo games releasing doesn't mean that Link and other Nintendo characters are going to see increases worth noting. If Square had Final Fantasy XII come out and nothing more, I wouldn't say Cloud would beat Link. FFXII just has nothing to do with Cloud enough to warrant a swing. Same thing for Nintendo. Though the DS has plenty of games, when it comes to someone as strong as Link, it'll take more than just a few releases of series that have nothing to do with Zelda to make him increase.

I think some of the people here were arguing that these games would make sure Link didn't drop. It is rather clear that the amount of Square fans coming to this site is going to out number Nintendo fans by a rather good amount, I would say. We saw what Kingdom Hearts was able to do, and while KH2 might not be as huge, it we will still see something more along those lines than what we have seen in 2004 - 2005.

But yeah, Nintendo games releasing from now until the contest should have an affect on the characters they are related to. For example, Metroid Prime Hunters may indeed help out Samus, but it is not going to help out Mario or Luigi. New Super Mario Bros. should do wonders for Mario and co., but it is not going to make Link rise too. That's how I feel on the matter anyway.

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"I haven't invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess]." -- Shigeru Miyamoto

Yeah I totally agree with that.
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"Now I realise.. I wasn't pursuing Sephiroth.
I was being summoned by Sephiroth"

People keep saying no one cares about Peach, but to that I respond:

WHO CARES ABOUT DONKEY KONG?!!

He has not had a well-received game in over ten years and was even kicked out of Mario Party. Yet he was still able to go toe to toe with a post-Halo 2 Master Chief. I see no reason why Peach can not be just as popular as Donkey Kong.
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"You know it could be like this. Just like this, always. "--Jack Twist, Brokeback Mountain

I'm a DK fanboy, so to put it delicately, me.

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