People didn't think Jill Valentine could be on the level of Luigi in 2k3. It happens.
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Please, nominate Aeris Gainsborough for SC2k6:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751

Peach is both a peripheral character AND doesn't have the advantages Zelda has. It doesn't inspire much faith, really.

Peach has done a lot more for her character than Zelda has for hers. She has her own game coming out on a popular system; I think that should count for something. Hopefully sales will indicate it will. Then again...the five year old girl demographic is a little underrepresented on gamefaqs...

But anyways, with the new SMB, odds are she'll be there, her own game, which I bet will have decent sales, she's got stuff in her corner. Peach isn't just a peripheral character; she'll have legitimate strength. The two factors Zelda has over are: coming from LoZ and being admittedly cooler than Peach.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb

I haven't said anything that's inciting flames.
It's a topic for debate, WOAH! Look what I'm doing!!
Deal with it.
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Smurf, the cream of Sonic fanboyism.

ahhh, the stats topic is truly back when there are pointless flame wars. welcome back, I missed you!

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^_~
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Smurf, the cream of Sonic fanboyism.

That's what happens when Smurf argues his points like a child.

I deleted my posts because this isn't my account and I don't feel like screwing anyone over.

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Too bad mods see deleted posts.
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Xbox 360 melts disks!
And people made jokes about the PS3 being a grill. ~bokunokuso

That's what happens when Smurf argues his points like a child.


lol. No I believe that would be when someone resorts to flames, regrets their actions and backtracks.

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Too bad mods see deleted posts.

Yeah, but now random lurkers won't mark them if Smurf hasn't already. Or future readers, either way.

Regretting my past actions? Not really, I stand by everything I said, I don't feel like making someone else pay the consequence for what I say, you know, because I have respect for people other than myself. Especially those who are kind enough to do favors for me.

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Two intentional flaming posts isn't very respectful.
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Smurf, the cream of Sonic fanboyism.

Funny, I only give mine to those who give it to others. Unfortunately you're incapable of doing that.

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How the heck is this filling up so fast?

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Currently Playing: Deus Ex, FFTA, MMX5, C&C, FF4A

What's that? Trying to incite flames are we?
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Smurf, the cream of Sonic fanboyism.

Perfect, trying to turn the tables are we?

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Oh yeah? Well you fight like a cow!
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Smurf, the cream of Sonic fanboyism.

cut it out, you two.

honestly, Smurf, the characters that you picked would bomb. I could be wrong about this, but it's always seemed to me that the Genesis was bigger in Europe than it is here. I'd never even heard of Ecco until my friend was trying to speed run it last year. I'm sure a lot of people here are the same way. you can call them "Nintendrones" or whatever degrading term you want, but that is what we grew up with. since America has the majority of the votes, you have to look at the demographic. Pokemon have proven to be weak and FE got doubled by FFTA. Laguna or Seifer is a fine choice, and Fox will make it regardless of the Nomination results.

but saying that people like Sub or Nightmare would suck, or are in some way "uninteresting"? I'll tell you what's uninteresting - watching a character like Ecco get quadded by a near-elite in round 1. now that's boring.
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The European vote can rise as high as 20%. That's a healthy chunk of votes to be getting. Ecco would be quaded by nobody outside of the noble 9. And besides, nothing wrong with weak characters, is there?

What's important is that the matches are intresting. Having matches where you can pin down the result to the %, is pointless.
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Smurf, the cream of Sonic fanboyism.

One things I've thought about lately is Sega's overall strength yet Sonic's strength.

In the games contest, every game made from Sega bombed aside from Sonic 2, which still had a disrespectful loss against Mario World. Every Genesis game without "Sonic" in the title is a cult classic, it seems.

But why Sonic? Even if he isn't elite, he still earned his Noble Nine status. The other Sonic characters perform respectably as well.

But why is the Sonic gang the only Sega characters that can do crap in this contest?
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The European vote can rise as high as 20%.

WHAT ?!!
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Xbox 360 melts disks!
And people made jokes about the PS3 being a grill. ~bokunokuso

I have no way of telling you how strong Ecco is to the percent, but I can also tell you that it wouldn't make for a good match. I'll be nice and give him 15% on BL - he still gets doubled by half the field. I have no way of telling you how strong Nightmare is to the percent either, or POP, or even Fox.
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But why is the Sonic gang the only Sega characters that can do crap in this contest?

Exposure, I guess. This is a site which heavily favored Nintendo.
Sonic does share similar qualities that Squintendo characters seem to have.

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How the heck is this filling up so fast?

We all feel so guilty that the other one purged, we want to make up for it.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb

people seem to like Sonic regardless of his game. why, I'm not sure, but he's the only Sega character that people truly recognize here. I couldn't even begin to tell you who the strongest non-Sonic Sega character is.
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also, some people believe that Mario World SFFed Sonic 2. I'm not touching that one with a ten foot pole, but I've seen people claim it before.
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I couldn't even begin to tell you who the strongest non-Sonic Sega character is.

Akira?
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It's probably Vyse. Which is really saying something. ;_;
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I don't know why people still argue that Peach will be nothing. I've said since the beginning that she may not have the series namesake that Zelda does, but she is just as well known. She may not be as popular as Zelda due to Sheik, but she does have SMB2, SMRPG, SSBM, the Mario Kart series, the sports games, and even her own platforming game coming out. She may not be a favorite character of many, but she still is a Mario series staple. For every person that says Peach is nothing, there's a person that would gladly vote for her over the likes of Sub-Zero, Ryu Hayabusa, Sora, or whoever else she's up against. I don't see why people discount all the signs that point to her being at least decent in strength.
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: MMXC, Fight Night R2, Threads of Fate, Jade Empire

I try not to judge a character off a single match.

Cute; Lara only had one match in 2k3, too.


I haven't said anything that's inciting flames.
It's a topic for debate, WOAH! Look what I'm doing!!
Deal with it.

It's also a topic where we try to feature some intelligence. You haven't been doing that, and are instead arguing for the sake of arguing. You've shown hope before, and it's totally fine to go against the grain...but you're not even cutting the wood right now.


lol. No I believe that would be when someone resorts to flames, regrets their actions and backtracks.

That's also maturity, to show remorse after doing something bad.


How the heck is this filling up so fast?

I hate to break it to ya Ulti, but, uh...sorry. I'm the new board-rep. You've been replaced. =P


The European vote can rise as high as 20%. That's a healthy chunk of votes to be getting. Ecco would be quaded by nobody outside of the noble 9. And besides, nothing wrong with weak characters, is there?

1) Nope, prove that to me Europe has such influence.
2) Pardon me for thinking Ecco wouldn't beat Manny with ease -- that would mean Zero would quad Ecco. Go as high as Bowser, and quadding Ecco would put him just barely above Laharl...who is my max for Ecco.
3) Sub/Nightmare/Raiden/CF/PoP >> Ecco.



To therealmnm: I've recently come to terms that Princess wouldn't be fodder like I once thought, and would probably take her to be around Donkey Kong. That's the good news...the bad news is I still think going much higher is simply exaggerating her potential. I want to see the sales and reception of the game before I stand tall on that opinion, but I figure she's not going to be much higher.
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I could never, EVER see Peach go 50/50 with MC...ever. Yeah, people know Peach, but if they don't care about her she's just another Wario or Pac-Man.
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Please, nominate Aeris Gainsborough for SC2k6:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751

up there with DK? I don't know; I get the feeling that Peach could beat some unknowns pretty easily but would get her ass handed to her if there was ever an SFF match. I would think that a Square character like Yuna would beat her pretty good, too. I'll (tenatively) put her around 2k3 Ken, but she could be fall anywhere.

and are people seriously using the "she's not Zelda, her name isn't in the title" argument? for name recognition, that's one thing, but who doesn't recognize Peach?

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To therealmnm: I've recently come to terms that Princess wouldn't be fodder like I once thought, and would probably take her to be around Donkey Kong. That's the good news...the bad news is I still think going much higher is simply exaggerating her potential. I want to see the sales and reception of the game before I stand tall on that opinion, but I figure she's not going to be much higher.

Nobody is calling for her to be any stronger than that. Zelda is only brought up to prove that characters that people seemingly don't care about can still do well. As for what Karma Hunter said, most of us didn't think Donkey Kong himself would give Chief that close of a match with the way he choked against Vivi. As for Peach being there, she could be up there, but that would be generous. I would put her around Rikku and Yuna's level myself with the potential to be a bit stronger.
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Currently playing: MMXC, Fight Night R2, Threads of Fate, Jade Empire

I'd say Peach would beat DK, but she'd still lose to MC.

I forget who said it (I think tranny), but MC underperforms against people weaker than him and overperforms against those stronger than him. Because of this, he finds himself in a lot of close matches. His only match that contradicts this rule is the one against Crash, who must also get plenty of anti-votes for reasons beyond me.

Gah, Kirby is the reason I'm so excited about 2k6. During 2k5, he had the most popular game on the DS, and performed extremely well. I must see if others (Soma Cruz, Peach, Sonic) will benefit from being on the DS...
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No, we didn't think DK could give him a match because MC was absurdly high thanks to Snake/Frog. I remember MC/DK being talked about as a good match right after 2k3 and before 2k4...I could never see Peach on that level.
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Please, nominate Aeris Gainsborough for SC2k6:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751

http://www.oraclechallenge.com/archives.php?contest=SC2k5&type=match&match=41

nobody was predicting a blowout, that's for sure.. at least not the sane people.

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I forget who said it (I think tranny), but MC underperforms against people weaker than him and overperforms against those stronger than him. Because of this, he finds himself in a lot of close matches. His only match that contradicts this rule is the one against Crash, who must also get plenty of anti-votes for reasons beyond me.

I've said this, yeah, but I think most people agree with this by now. I've never found a person to care about Crash, so that makes sense for that match. it's like "uhh.... uh.."

I don't have it in front of me, but I'd expect the votals for that match to be ****.
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Nobody is calling for her to be any stronger than that. Zelda is only brought up to prove that characters that people seemingly don't care about can still do well.

The thing is Zelda has no haters. The Zelda fanbase is really just indifferent to her, but she is also a favorite of many. Unlike Peach who's fanbase is divided at best and many Mario fans see her as a bimbo.

The indifference factor explains how Bomberman and Ryo, despite being fodder themselves, can get 70% on fodder. Neither character is really hated, and that works to their advantage.
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Bah, I doubt Peach has a significant amount of haters...but I do think that there are a lot of people in this topic high on Peach, both for a desire to see some strong new blood in the contest and because of the Nintendo boost. I remember when it seemed like the eight Round Robin contenders in the Rally Tournament were all going to be SSB/M or at least Nintendo...Captain Falcon, Peach, Marth, Roy, Mewtwo, Toad...and ironically, that's probably why the voters turned on so many of them. But being Nintendo doesn't guarantee strength, not to mention that there's no telling what the coming years will bring in terms of strength influx. Heck, that's why we need to keep Mario in, it's not like he's unbeatable.
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Please, nominate Aeris Gainsborough for SC2k6:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751

I think that "bimbo" feeling is indifference more than actual hate. It was the same with Zelda in 2k3. Some people were doubting she'd be much of anything, then she went and snagged 40% on Mega Man. Besides, for every person that is indifferent to Peach, you have those that actually like her due to SMK, SSBM, or other games. Her SSBM popularity may be niche, but you can't deny that she kicks ass in the Mario Kart series. ;)
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Unlike Peach who's fanbase is divided at best and many Mario fans see her as a bimbo.

Well, it would be nice if we could see confirmation of that, at least, in a contest. And poor peach, she's no bimbo.
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eh, I think being a playable character in SSBM gives you a floor (Master Hand, and likely quite a bit higher than that), meaning that you won't be absolute crap. same with FF7 - you're guaranteed to have some semblance of strength.

on the other hand, Terra got nearly tripled by Dante and there were about six FF6 characters in the Nomination tournament. Lloyd had a similar x-stat value, yet there were several TOS characters in it as well.

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Yeah, and the voters favored SSBM over FF6 and ToS...1 seed Zelos losing to one-nom 16 seed Roy, anyone?
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Please, nominate Aeris Gainsborough for SC2k6:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751

as he should have. TOS side characters shouldn't be anywhere near a Summer Contest.
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I actually have been calling for Peach to get in since 2k3. I'm not even that much of a fan of her. I just think she deserves to get in. If the Zelda series got the Link/Ganondorf/Zelda trio in, and FF7 got the Cloud/Sephiroth/Aeris trio in, then I don't see why the Mario series can't have Peach along with Mario/Bowser to see how she measures up. Sure there are other Nintendo characters in, but come on, Peach deserves one shot more than any of the other new Nintendo characters in the round robin.
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then I don't see why the Mario series can't have Peach along with Mario/Bowser to see how she measures up.

you forgot Yoshi.. and Luigi..

Peach is the fifth person from the Mario series. Toad was almost the sixth.
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Unfortunately, Peach had to go up against Laguna in her division (who barely missed the cut). If she had been in Toad, Phoenix Wright, or Marth's division, she would have probably been there. The shame of bracket placement, nothing more.
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Please, nominate Aeris Gainsborough for SC2k6:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751

*sigh* Everybody forgets Wario...
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Please, nominate Aeris Gainsborough for SC2k6:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751

..damn, I did. sorry, sixth and seventh.

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Yeah, but going by their respective roles, Peach would be more comparable to Aeris and Zelda than Luigi or Yoshi. I kinda already stated that there were other Nintendo characters in it. Besides, call me biased but seeing how long Nintendo has been around in the video game industry and the number of popular series that they have, they deserve to have the most characters within the contest! <_<
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Currently playing: MMXC, Fight Night R2, Threads of Fate, Jade Empire

eh, it's got nothing to do with bias - I like FF7, but I don't want to see any more characters from the game make the tournament besides the five who have. at some point, there's just too many for my tastes.

it's fine if you like Peach, but when there's six other rallies for six other SSBM characters, someone's gotta get dropped.

remember, I'm just as oldschool as you, if not moreso!

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