good heavens. I beat story mode and all, but this is hardcore.

Heh, that's only character development related stuff. You want to see hardcore? Try doing Staff Ghosts with Staff Vehicles, without snaking. Makes Very Hard Story Mode look like a cakewalk.

Yeah, I'm getting way off base now. =P
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Try doing Staff Ghosts with Staff Vehicles, without snaking.

seeing as how snaking hurts my hands like hell, I've done this with about eight staff ghosts. not all of them, though.

I refuse to do stuff like level 7 on hard. it's just.... stupid. not fun.

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oh wait, you said Staff Vehicles. ****.

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oh wait, you said Staff Vehicles. ****.

Damn right. Taking down Blue Falcon with the Acro-Lynx G4 is one thing, but how about going toe-to-toe with it?

Gives an appreciation for exactly how good those players were.
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damn, I wish I could see that in action. the idea of F-Zero online is the only online game I would ever play, and why the Revolution controller scares the living **** out of me. I'd love to take on some F-Zero ninjas, because I'm pretty good myself. you're probably a ton better, but I'd love to try regardless.

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I'm no SSBM pro, but I cannot play as CF because he moves so god damn fast. I don't like Ness either, but people seem to like him more as a playable SSBM character than CF.

To answer your question, I'd say Falcon and Ness are about equal popularity wise. Though, most would like Ness more than Falcon as a character.

I like Ness in SSBM >_>. Well, I had to. Event Match 36 screwed me over until I learned how to effectively use Ness.
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I unlocked every character's profile and backstory in F-Zero GX, along with all their ending movies.

See, the problem there is that's damn near impossible. :p I only managed to get ~10 or so of the movies, and I think I'm still missing some of the Arcade characters. I'd love to unlock more, but I'm just not good enough at the game.
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but I'd have to struggle to find someone who would vote for one and not the other.

Struggle no longer. Sub-Zero is one of my top 20 favorite characters. Scorpion is nowhere close. Your argument is getting into Ryu/Ken territory ("Who would vote for one and not the other? They're practically the same!"), and it's not solid ground. And we had this argument during the rally, too. Ryu and Ken are a lot closer to being identical than Scorpion and Sub-Zero are, quite frankly. Don't let the fact that they're "palette swaps" lead you to think otherwise. I know we're quick to discount the MK poll, but 42% with ALL characters accounted for is no joke. That's a huge amount.

As far as Ness/Jak is concerned, I had Jak pegged perfectly. I said he would be the most popular PS-generation platformer, and he was.

Too bad I failed to account for Bowser/Ness SFF.
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I unlocked every character's profile and backstory in F-Zero GX, along with all their ending movies. And was intrigued by the Story Mode. AND bothered to actually get as many of the GP interview questions as I possibly could (anyone who's done this knows how much of an utter, UTTER waste of time this one is).

Heh, you think that's crazy? I actually started to write an "Interview Questions" FAQ.

...yeah, I gave up on it pretty quickly, but still.

Story mode in FZGX is incredible though. There's nothing quite so satisfying as finally beating Chapter 7 on Very Hard.

damn, I wish I could see that in action. the idea of F-Zero online is the only online game I would ever play, and why the Revolution controller scares the living **** out of me. I'd love to take on some F-Zero ninjas, because I'm pretty good myself. you're probably a ton better, but I'd love to try regardless.


What should scare you more is the limited power of the actual console. FZGX had to ****ing kill the environments to make even four players at once possible. Still, I do drool at the thought of 30-car online racing.
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there are a number of times when I'd vote Subby and not scorpion.
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Reptile > Scorpion > Sub-Zero...but I don't represent the majority by any means.
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Ryu and Ken are a lot closer to being identical than Scorpion and Sub-Zero are, quite frankly. Don't let the fact that they're "palette swaps" lead you to think otherwise.

Oh, come on. Just *look* at them! Ryu and Ken are easily more distinguishable. Street Fighter is much more reputable and more powerful than Mortal Kombat; it makes sense for it to produce one strong character. MK just isn't; and, even though he did better than Scorpion in that poll, it's still a favorite character poll at the end of the day. I can't help but wonder if Liu Kang would be the strongest MK rep; I've always seen him as the "main character" should it pretend to have one.
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No one is saying that the gap between Sub-Zero and Scorpion would be the same as the gap between Ryu and Ken. The point is that there is a distinguishable difference between the formers. We're just saying that Sub-Zero is more popular than Scorpion and should be a bit stronger in a contest setting. You're making it seem like everyone who would vote for Scorpion would vote for Sub-Zero. That simply is not the case.
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plus, Ryu comes off as being the face of SF2. I don't think either Sub or Scorp is more iconic to their game than the other, whereas Ryu is Street Fighter. personally, I like Ken a hell of a lot more, but that's just how it is.

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Street Fighter is much more reputable and more powerful than Mortal Kombat; it makes sense for it to produce one strong character.

Since when? SF2 would only beat MK1 with 56%, and I have no doubt that MK2 would be far more powerful than MK1. MK2 would beat SF2 with ease.
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MK2 would beat SF2 with ease.

as usual, you're nuts.
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xyzzy

You're making it seem like everyone who would vote for Scorpion would vote for Sub-Zero. That simply is not the case.

I implied nothing of the sort. He had stated that Ken and Ryu were less distinguishable than Scorpion and Sub. And that just isn't true. Subzero could even be worse than Scorpion ever was, too. It's not like MK has had a huge resurrection since; he might not be stable.
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as usual, you're nuts.

<3

I was exaggerating a little, but most people don't realize just how close to SF2 MK1 really is. The MK series is really underestimated around here.
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Here are my brief comments on the snubs:

1. Nightmare

I really think that he could surprise a lot of people this contest. Soul Calibur did great in the Game Contest, and I think that any one of a number of characters could do great in the contest. The only problem I see is that I'm not entirely sure he's the best pick. My knowledge of Soul Calibur is severely limited and only pertains to SCII, but isn't he the final boss guy? If so the fact that he looks like he's made out of rocks and flame could actually, IMO, turn off casual voters, while some of the SC chicks (Talim, Seung Mia, Ivy) have character designs that appeal to everyone.

2. Sub-Zero

Would definitely do better than Scorpion. I haven't played any Mortal Kombat but any opinion I've seen on the game places him above Scorpion. Would he beat Ken? I don't know, but I think it'd be close.

3. Raiden

His stock has only dropped since 2003. Snake got an increase this past contest, but I think it was almost all due to Naked Snake in 2004. Most voters are NOT going to see any difference between Solid and Naked. In summary, Snake got MGS3, Raiden didn't. Raiden got a raw deal in 2003, but he should still be able to be around 20% at least.

4. Captain Falcon

I'll just say that I can see him slightly lower than Ness and leave it at that.

5. Prince of Persia

I really don't think the PoP has a big fan base on GameFAQS at all. God of War was way more popular, and while I don't think putting too much credence into the Top 10 FAQS is smart, I will in this case since the two games are pretty similar. In comparison, God of War was Number 1 for quite a bit of time, while TTT never even cracked the Top 10. I don't think he'll do as well as Kratos, but he won't suck it up or anything.

I do have to add however that I think Peach could beat any character here short of Nightmare and even give him a run for his money. I know that some people find her bland and boring, but look at how popular Donkey Kong is. At least Peach still has role in the Mario series other than Selectable Character #3.
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I do have to add however that I think Peach could beat any character here short of Nightmare and even give him a run for his money. I know that some people find her bland and boring, but look at how popular Donkey Kong is. At least Peach still has role in the Mario series other than Selectable Character #3.

Preach on!


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As if people can't tell the difference between yellow and blue, harpoons or ice, and "Scorpion" or "Sub-Zero"...yeesh.
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I think Nightmare's being overestimated. All fighting game characters save for Ryu and Ken have stunk it up (say all you want about Scorpion; he still did worse than STRIDER). Terry Bogard got whipped by Aya Brea, Jin Kazama got tripled by Sonic, and even then I don't think Nightmare would look all that impressive against Jin. If put in the right spot Nightmare could win a match, but I think he's being overestimated.
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I think Nightmare is going to be strong.

He's been on a wide range of systems. All of this gen's consoles to be exact which creates a possible wide range fanbase. He's also one of the most popular characters in the game, not to mention he looks totally badass.

I think he will be stronger then any other fighters save of course Ryu.

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The rock and flame guy is Inferno, not Nightmare >_>
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1) Subzero could even be worse than Scorpion ever was, too.

2) Oh, come on. Just *look* at them! Ryu and Ken are easily more distinguishable. Street Fighter is much more reputable and more powerful than Mortal Kombat; it makes sense for it to produce one strong character. MK just isn't; and, even though he did better than Scorpion in that poll, it's still a favorite character poll at the end of the day. I can't help but wonder if Liu Kang would be the strongest MK rep; I've always seen him as the "main character" should it pretend to have one.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1788
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=634
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1789


1) 42.5% like Sub-Zero more than the other six original MK characters -- including Scorpion. Break it down to just Sub/Scorp, and you don't think 7.5% of the leftover votes can go his way? Simply spreading the rest of the votes out give him a solid win, and that shouldn't be too unreasonable to believe since obviously they lack distinction from one-another. A large part of the votes that didn't go to either of them would have to over-whelmingly favor Scorpion...not likely.

2) Blue =/= yellow, ice =/= ice, "Sub-Zero" =/= "Scorpion", and Sub's strength =/= Scorp's strength. Gamers have proven that they can actually acknowledge a difference in looks and/or name-simularities...

...it may be a favorite poll, but let's not dare compare it to the Mario poll (which sparks so much disgrace for these kinds of polls). The Mario poll is more than three years older than the MK poll, has about 50,000 votes less, and has eight options to the MK poll's seven. Also, Sub-Zero's 42.5% says much more than Yoshi's 26.5%, not to mention Sub-Zero's lead of 12.71% (8,637 votes) on Scorpion is more impressive than Yoshi's lead of 9.26% (1,685 votes) on Luigi...

...I know that the Mario poll wasn't brought up, but that's always THE point of attack when favorite-polls come up (with a side of Sonic poll on occasion). Look at the poll and dare to tell me Lui Kang wins; Scorpion is one thing, but Lui Kang is nothing short of never-happening. Don't forget MK2 > MK either (though CT might have SFF'd SMRPG...hard to tell these things).
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I think Nightmare's being overestimated. All fighting game characters save for Ryu and Ken have stunk it up (say all you want about Scorpion; he still did worse than STRIDER).

May I direct you to Scorpion and Ken's 2k3 fourpack...?
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Anybody who thinks any of the 5 has a shot of actually winning a match, is severly overestimating them.

That's all there is to it.
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Right, because none of them will be stronger than Lloyd.
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You're also over-estimating your opinion there, Smurf.....
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Anybody who thinks any of the 5 has a shot of actually winning a match, is severly overestimating them.

Considering that these guys may get overseeded, they could win a match.

But if we really wanted strong, then Peach would've been in this Top 5 discussion. Peach is by far stronger than any of the 5 that won. On a similar note, Raiden is definetly weaker than Fox and Aeris. But them's the breaks.
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I would easily take most of the five over Peach. Peach is nothing.

And yeah, Fox and Aeris > Raiden. But it's not just about strength, it's about range and variety.
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Right, because none of them will be stronger than Lloyd.

Wouldn't suprise me if none of them were.
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And yeah, Fox and Aeris > Raiden. But it's not just about strength, it's about range and variety.

Correct. But boring fodder was chosen. Some intresting fodder would have been nice.
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He had stated that Ken and Ryu were less distinguishable than Scorpion and Sub. And that just isn't true.

Until Super Street Fighter II when Capcom finally started giving them different move sets, they were more identical fighters than Sub-Zero and Scorpion are. But either way, giving this particular argument and flat-out ignoring Ryu/Ken is ludicrous. People DO know the difference, and Mortal Kombat IS still a rather popular series, believe it or not. Don't let what board 8 thinks about it lead you astray.

Also, Liu Kang may be the "main character," but he doesn't touch Subby or Scorp. Probably not Raiden either.

It's not like MK has had a huge resurrection since; he might not be stable.

It IS still putting out fairly popular games, you know.
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I would easily take most of the five over Peach. Peach is nothing.


Vyse > Peach > Falcon > Nightmare > Sub-Zero > Raiden > Pop
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Uh huh. Remind me, why do you keep making it a point to put these characters down ad nauseum? Does it matter that much to you? Do you have an uncontrollable urge to continually bash a set of inanimate concepts without any attempt at formulating arguments?

To perhaps put it more bluntly, Smurf...could you perhaps just shut up about it for a while?
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I don't think Liu Kang would be weak, but he'd be a cut below Sub and Scorpion.

seeing as how Scorpion/Ken is debatable, saying Sub would be significantly stronger than Scorpion would put him in Ryu's class. I am not nearly that risky.

I made a Ken/Bison // Sub/Scorpion fourpack on H's board but it seems to have purged. too bad, because the results were kind of interesting.

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But if we really wanted strong, then Peach would've been in this Top 5 discussion. Peach is by far stronger than any of the 5 that won.

I would take Sub-Zero over Peach without even thinking about it. The rest...I'd have to think about. But I don't think Peach would be that strong. People don't really care about her, unless they're Mario 2 players. I would probably put her below Donkey Kong and maybe even Fox McCloud. She'd probably be around Ness, I guess. She should be able to beat him, at least.

But either way, I personally still believe Akuma could be the strongest fighting game character not named Ryu, if he could actually get into a contest.
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Uh huh. Remind me, why do you keep making it a point to put these characters down ad nauseum? Does it matter that much to you? Do you have an uncontrollable urge to continually bash a set of inanimate concepts without any attempt at formulating arguments?

Because this topic has an overwhelming urge to jump on bandwagons and humiliate themselves come contest time.
I find it blatantly obvious that these characters are fodder. Some people don't. I'm not bashing them because they were chosen from a Slowflake topic or anything like that. I genuinely believe that each one of them suck, and I question the point of nominating round 1 fodder.
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Zidane Tribal

And pray tell, Smurf, who would YOU have in place of these characters? Could you come up with something constructive in the way of nominations?
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I find it blatantly obvious that these characters are fodder.

In my opinion, they all COULD be fodder, except for Sub-Zero. I just don't see any way he could be. Scorpion is a solid midcarder.

Also, I don't see what some people have against Subby being in the contest. He has the least likelihood of bombing out of this group, and I find it doubtful that Scorpion will be making it back anytime soon. Someone of that strength deserves to be here, "palette swap" or not.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

*foresees another 200 post stat topic war involving Smurf*

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xyzzy

I really hate how I agree with Smurf. Although I only think Nightmare will be true fodder.

But how can you tell me Captain Falcon will beat Peach with a straight face? How can you tell me no one cares about her? Zelda fans sure care about Zelda, even though she hasn't done much in her series. Peach is in a similar situation, and would get a lot of support from Mario fans. Peach/Sub-Zero is the only match that can be debatable, and since I don't see Sub being much better than Scorp, and would pick Peach over Scorp, I don't see her losing to Sub or any of the 5 winners.
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As if people can't tell the difference between yellow and blue, harpoons or ice, and "Scorpion" or "Sub-Zero"...yeesh.

Rurgh. The point is not that people can't tell the difference between the two. The point is that they are not so different as to merit Subzero being much stronger than Scorpion.

And the favorites poll is no spring chicken, either It isn't exactly current, not that things would have changed much...


1) 42.5% like Sub-Zero more than the other six original MK characters -- including Scorpion. Break it down to just Sub/Scorp, and you don't think 7.5% of the leftover votes can go his way? Simply spreading the rest of the votes out give him a solid win, and that shouldn't be too unreasonable to believe since obviously they lack distinction from one-another. A large part of the votes that didn't go to either of them would have to over-whelmingly favor Scorpion...not likely.

That wasn't my main point from the (1) bit you posted. It was that even if Subzero was stronger than Scorpion, it's possible that he wouldn't perform better than Scorpion ever did, because of Scorpion fading over time. If I used that calculator correctly, it seems he dropped from 2k3 to 2k4, he wasn't even in last year, so what I was suggesting was that Scorpions most recent value could be too high (to guage sub) just to year by year dropping. It wasn't the best point in the world; but it wasn't the point you thought it was, either.

And for point two, I addressed that first. As for Liu Kang, I suppose I should have just left it out. It just seems to me he's the main character of MK, maybe he would do best. Unlikely.
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http://rapidshare.de/files/14386813/Disney_-_Beauty_and_the_Beast_-_Gaston.mp3.html


Gaston:
Who does she think she is?
That girl has tangled with the wrong man!
LeFou:
Darn right.
Gaston:
No one says "no" to Gaston!
Dismissed! Rejected!
Publicly humiliated! Why, it's more than I can bear.
LeFou:
More beer?
Gaston:
What for? Nothing helps. I'm disgraced.
LeFou:
Who, you? Never! Gaston, you've got to pull yourself together.

Lefou:
Gosh it disturbs me to see you, Gaston
Looking so down in the dumps
Ev'ry guy here'd love to be you, Gaston
Even when taking your lumps
There's no man in town as admired as you
You're ev'ryone's favorite guy
Ev'ryone's awed and inspired by you
And it's not very hard to see why
No one's slick as Gaston
No one's quick as Gaston
No one's neck's as incredibly thick as Gaston's
For there's no man in town half as manly
Perfect, a pure paragon!
You can ask any Tom, Dick or Stanley
And they'll tell you whose team they prefer to be on
Lefou and Chorus:
No one's been like Gaston
A king pin like Gaston
LeFou:
No one's got a swell cleft in his chin like Gaston
Gaston:
As a specimen, yes, I'm intimidating!
Lefou and Chorus:
My what a guy, that Gaston!
Give five "hurrahs!"
Give twelve "hip-hips!"
LeFou:
Gaston is the best
And the rest is all drips
Chorus:
No one fights like Gaston
Douses lights like Gaston
LeFou:
In a wrestling match nobody bites like Gaston!
Bimbettes:
For there's no one as burly and brawny
Gaston:
As you see I've got biceps to spare
LeFou:
Not a bit of him's scraggly or scrawny
Gaston:
That's right!
And ev'ry last inch of me's covered with hair
Chorus:
No one hits like Gaston
Matches wits like Gaston
LeFou:
In a spitting match nobody spits like Gaston
Gaston:
I'm espcially good at expectorating!
Ptoooie!
Chorus:
Ten points for Gaston!
Gaston:
When I was a lad I ate four dozen eggs
Ev'ry morning to help me get large
And now that I'm grown I eat five dozen eggs
So I'm roughly the size of a barge!
Chorus:
Oh, ahhh, wow!
My what a guy, that Gaston!
No one shoots like Gaston
Makes those beauts like Gaston
LeFou:
Then goes tromping around wearing boots like Gaston
Gaston:
I use antlers in all of my decorating!
Chorus:
My what a guy,
(I don't know why I'm posting this in the stats topic!)
GASTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!

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Peach is NOWHERE close to Zelda, and never will be. If Mario's games were called 'The Legend of Peach' you might have a point, but as it is...no, Peach would lose to Subby. Hardcore.
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