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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 277
From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 2/27/2006 8:01:50 PM | Message Detail
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/22/2005 4:13:05 PM | Message Detail
Knuckles >>>>> Magus.
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Knuckles >>>>> Magus.
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From: ChichiriMuyo
| Posted: 2/27/2006 8:20:33 PM | Message Detail
As long as you aren't suggesting Pikachu would beat Ness... *rolls eyes*
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 2/27/2006 8:25:42 PM | Message Detail
Pikachu and/or Metwo couldn't take Ness.
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From: therealmnm
| Posted: 2/27/2006 8:42:32 PM | Message Detail
I'm not going to listen to this nonsense from a bunch of people who probably would have taken Kerrigan over Ness last year.
Well thankfully, you can't throw me in the same group of people since I was one of the biggest proponents of Vincent >> Kerrigan in this topic, besides you and HM and that being because I don't actually care for Vincent as a character. I just knew he'd be strong and didn't think Kerrigan would add up to much.
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Well thankfully, you can't throw me in the same group of people since I was one of the biggest proponents of Vincent >> Kerrigan in this topic, besides you and HM and that being because I don't actually care for Vincent as a character. I just knew he'd be strong and didn't think Kerrigan would add up to much.
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From: ChichiriMuyo
| Posted: 2/27/2006 8:49:06 PM | Message Detail
I remember, my man. I remember.
Even still, people are vastly overrating Falcon here. Ness looks like he might be able to take out Fox in a direct match (though it could go the other way as well) and I couldn't imagine anyone taking Falcon over Fox. It just makes no sense to me that Ness could be so underrated when he's shown that it isn't that weak.
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Even still, people are vastly overrating Falcon here. Ness looks like he might be able to take out Fox in a direct match (though it could go the other way as well) and I couldn't imagine anyone taking Falcon over Fox. It just makes no sense to me that Ness could be so underrated when he's shown that it isn't that weak.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 2/27/2006 8:57:45 PM | Message Detail
Considering Ness has been SFF'd hard by Bowser and Mario as well as
behing behind Auron/Seph, I'm not surprised. His two wins? "People no
longer care for platformers at all" and "...but he's black, and
racism's rampant here!" The Game Contest? "EB lost to Doom, for
goodness sake." The Top 100 List? "An obviously small-yet-dedicated
fanbase propped it there."
Ness is one of those characters that I don't see ever getting respect now unless he pulls an upset on, say, Master Chief or stronger.
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Ness is one of those characters that I don't see ever getting respect now unless he pulls an upset on, say, Master Chief or stronger.
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From: Team Rocket Elite
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:01:40 PM | Message Detail
by the way, can anybody comment for sure if any Star Fox games were on the drop-down list or not?
There weren't any.
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There weren't any.
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From: Heroic Mario
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:02:40 PM | Message Detail
I, myself, would take Fox over both Falcon and Ness for what it is worth.
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From: yoblazer33
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:04:31 PM | Message Detail
I'd take Fox over any SSB/M character outside of those from the Mario and Zelda series (and Samus).
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:05:17 PM | Message Detail
TRE, you're usually the man who answers my drop-down list questions, heh...you care to post/e-mail me the list of games on it?
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From: Heroic Mario
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:06:07 PM | Message Detail
The Top 100 List? "An obviously small-yet-dedicated fanbase propped it there."
It is certainly worth noting that EarthBound placed 37th in the Top 100 List, but it was being brought up far too much. There are games that did not make that list that I would have no problem taking over EarthBound in another game contest. There are also some games that placed above others that I would not dare take in a bracket. It is nice to make a quick note of it here and then, but it does not prove by any means that EarthBound is a big contributor to Ness or that it should be viewed as anything other than a cult game. The game placed around the area of Shenmue and Skies of Arcadia in the stats. Underrated a little or not, it is still not impressive in the slightest.
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"I haven't invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess]." -- Shigeru Miyamoto
It is certainly worth noting that EarthBound placed 37th in the Top 100 List, but it was being brought up far too much. There are games that did not make that list that I would have no problem taking over EarthBound in another game contest. There are also some games that placed above others that I would not dare take in a bracket. It is nice to make a quick note of it here and then, but it does not prove by any means that EarthBound is a big contributor to Ness or that it should be viewed as anything other than a cult game. The game placed around the area of Shenmue and Skies of Arcadia in the stats. Underrated a little or not, it is still not impressive in the slightest.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:06:11 PM | Message Detail
Fox > Kirby? Nope.
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From: Heroic Mario
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:07:24 PM | Message Detail
Fox > Kirby? Nope.
I wish it would happen, though.
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I wish it would happen, though.
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From: yoblazer33
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:08:47 PM | Message Detail
Damn. Knew I forgot someone (I barely remembered Samus at the last
second). Basically, I'd take Fox over the Pokemon, Falcon, Ice
Climbers, Ness, and Donkey Kong.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:10:14 PM | Message Detail
I would also -- without worries, mind you -- take EB over both of those
games and not worry. I won't argue that it's a powehouse, nay,
obviously not, but it's hard for me to believe EB itself isn't bigger
than the entire F-Zero series as far as GameFAQs goes...and Ness means
more to EB than CF does to F-Zero. Throw in I think Ness and CF are
likely on even terms in the SSB/M field (though I'd give the edge to
Ness), and it's hard for me to see CF be justified to win that match.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:11:21 PM | Message Detail
Ness and DK worry me; I would probably go DK > Fox > Ness, though I don't think there's a big difference from DK to Ness.
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From: MnMZero
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:13:20 PM | Message Detail
*looks at the F-Zero games that never got enough nominations to
enter, and it's pitiful 98th place in the top 100 games where
Earthbound did reasonably well*
So? CT is the 3rd strongest game on this site, LttP and FF6 aren't exactly ligthweigths either. The loss to Doom was bad, sure, but then again no one said it was a powerhouse... I just said it was more liked by GF than any F-Zero game. You lack evidence to the contrary (because it doesn't exist).
I was just pointing out that Earthbound isn't nearly as popular as people around here think it is. F-Zero has nothing to do with my point. It all comes down to who the SSB/M fanbase prefers. Earthbound and F-Zero are negligible.
What, no FF7 > CT SFF could possibly exist to underrate that entire half of the contest? People couldn't possibly be fans of more than one of the 3 most popular SNES games? Sure, you go ahead and say there's little room. If it comes back to bite you in the ass then all the better.
Of course there was probably a little bit of SFF between them, although I don't think it would be much. Chrono Trigger stood up rather well. There's nothing farfetched about Ocarina of Time being able to beat CT in a 55/45 affair. I'd give it a percent or two max. Besides, adjusting for SFF in that match means that half the field moves up as well. Earthbound would still look pretty weak compared to many of its peers.
Both are highly overrated by the board and would never make the contest field without it, obviously.
Of course. I never was a fan of Falcon making the field in the first place. But it's not like anybody is saying he will be a powerhouse. I simply think he can beat Ness. Even if you take Ness being underrated, he still is beatable.
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So? CT is the 3rd strongest game on this site, LttP and FF6 aren't exactly ligthweigths either. The loss to Doom was bad, sure, but then again no one said it was a powerhouse... I just said it was more liked by GF than any F-Zero game. You lack evidence to the contrary (because it doesn't exist).
I was just pointing out that Earthbound isn't nearly as popular as people around here think it is. F-Zero has nothing to do with my point. It all comes down to who the SSB/M fanbase prefers. Earthbound and F-Zero are negligible.
What, no FF7 > CT SFF could possibly exist to underrate that entire half of the contest? People couldn't possibly be fans of more than one of the 3 most popular SNES games? Sure, you go ahead and say there's little room. If it comes back to bite you in the ass then all the better.
Of course there was probably a little bit of SFF between them, although I don't think it would be much. Chrono Trigger stood up rather well. There's nothing farfetched about Ocarina of Time being able to beat CT in a 55/45 affair. I'd give it a percent or two max. Besides, adjusting for SFF in that match means that half the field moves up as well. Earthbound would still look pretty weak compared to many of its peers.
Both are highly overrated by the board and would never make the contest field without it, obviously.
Of course. I never was a fan of Falcon making the field in the first place. But it's not like anybody is saying he will be a powerhouse. I simply think he can beat Ness. Even if you take Ness being underrated, he still is beatable.
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From: yoblazer33
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:15:15 PM | Message Detail
DK would likely be the favorite against Fox, and that's understandable,
but I think Fox would be a great upset pick there. As for Ness, Fox
should easily have that one. He comes from an inarguably bigger series
(I'd take Star Fox 64 over Earthbound even on GameFAQs) and is almost a
guarantee to win the Smash support.
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From: Heroic Mario
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:18:55 PM | Message Detail
I would take EarthBound over those games as well, but it does not mean
much, really. It would not slaughter those games in a direct match, but
I think it would pull out a win given how close both of them are. You
really were using that list constantly,
and it really is just not worth doing so. To bring it up repeatedly
doesn't make any sense, as it is but a simple note at best. It does not
give any insight on how strong EarthBound is at all. I'm sure you
wouldn't take EarthBound over all the games it's ranked ahead of, so
bringing up its 37th spot is pointless.
As for EarthBound against something F-Zero related, the only one of the group I would have to think about in a match against EarthBound is F-Zero GX -- the GCN released F-Zero. Even if we are at "RPGfaqs," F-Zero has still pumped out plenty of titles in its history and a good bit of them from this generation on the GCN and GBA. That to Ness' nothing. These F-Zero games sold well to boot. Even if you would take EarthBound over any single F-Zero game, the fact still remains that F-Zero is a franchise will multiple entries in it, helping out Falcon more, even if one game is not a major powerhouse. Something similar to Mega Man, if I had to choose a comparison.
In a direct match, it is hard for me to choose Ness over Falcon. I do not believe that EarthBound or F-Zero really is the difference maker here. Both of them were in SSB and SSBM and both of them were good. Falcon, however, has a far cooler appeal, more exposure to today's gaming auidence, and just wins it when it comes to the Super Smash votes. I cannot imagine people siding with Ness over Falcon, especially with the big comparison between Super Smash Brothers. I do not see what is so hard to see about Falcon beating Ness, honestly. I would not dare say Falcon would kill Ness or that the match would never be in question, but I do believe Falcon would come away with a victory.
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As for EarthBound against something F-Zero related, the only one of the group I would have to think about in a match against EarthBound is F-Zero GX -- the GCN released F-Zero. Even if we are at "RPGfaqs," F-Zero has still pumped out plenty of titles in its history and a good bit of them from this generation on the GCN and GBA. That to Ness' nothing. These F-Zero games sold well to boot. Even if you would take EarthBound over any single F-Zero game, the fact still remains that F-Zero is a franchise will multiple entries in it, helping out Falcon more, even if one game is not a major powerhouse. Something similar to Mega Man, if I had to choose a comparison.
In a direct match, it is hard for me to choose Ness over Falcon. I do not believe that EarthBound or F-Zero really is the difference maker here. Both of them were in SSB and SSBM and both of them were good. Falcon, however, has a far cooler appeal, more exposure to today's gaming auidence, and just wins it when it comes to the Super Smash votes. I cannot imagine people siding with Ness over Falcon, especially with the big comparison between Super Smash Brothers. I do not see what is so hard to see about Falcon beating Ness, honestly. I would not dare say Falcon would kill Ness or that the match would never be in question, but I do believe Falcon would come away with a victory.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:19:01 PM | Message Detail
I don't know if I'd take SF64 over EB or not...but I'll agree that the SF series is bigger than EB.
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From: MnMZero
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:20:03 PM | Message Detail
And I agree with yoblazer. I'd easily take Fox over DK, Falcon, Ness,
Ice Climbers, the Pokemon Crew, etc. Fox got 25% on Cloud in 2k2, and
is behind Link in 2k3. He's not exactly weak, or even a borderline
midcarder. We have yet to see what he can really do in a contest
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From: yoblazer33
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:20:10 PM | Message Detail
By the way, isn't Ness getting a new game in a few months?
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From: Mac Arrowny
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:22:29 PM | Message Detail
Friendly reminder: Star Fox 64 sold 1.9M copies. F-Zero X sold 400K.
F-Zero GX was around 300K, and Star Fox Adventures ~900K. Falcon is
nowhere even close to Fox.
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From: Heroic Mario
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:23:00 PM | Message Detail
(I'd take Star Fox 64 over Earthbound even on GameFAQs)
I would do that in a heartbeat.
I would also go with what would likely be the upset pick and choose Fox over Donkey Kong. There is plenty of logical reasoning to support such a thing, but I am taking Fox in any match where has a realistic shot at winning. He's one of those I've been arguing in favor of for a long time, and I cannot imagine not giving him the pick in a realistic match.
Donkey Kong would definitely be one of those nervous picks, but I would not even hesistate for a second to take Fox over Ness. If you want to argue Super Smash votes, those are easily going to Fox. He was superb in both games, he is awesome to play as in both, and comes from a huge franchise. Smash votes + Star Fox > Smash votes + EarthBound.
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I would do that in a heartbeat.
I would also go with what would likely be the upset pick and choose Fox over Donkey Kong. There is plenty of logical reasoning to support such a thing, but I am taking Fox in any match where has a realistic shot at winning. He's one of those I've been arguing in favor of for a long time, and I cannot imagine not giving him the pick in a realistic match.
Donkey Kong would definitely be one of those nervous picks, but I would not even hesistate for a second to take Fox over Ness. If you want to argue Super Smash votes, those are easily going to Fox. He was superb in both games, he is awesome to play as in both, and comes from a huge franchise. Smash votes + Star Fox > Smash votes + EarthBound.
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From: Heroic Mario
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:23:55 PM | Message Detail
By the way, isn't Ness getting a new game in a few months?
Mother 3 is releasing in Japan only with no announced US release date. It also, apparently, has nothing to do with Ness. He isn't the main character this time.
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Mother 3 is releasing in Japan only with no announced US release date. It also, apparently, has nothing to do with Ness. He isn't the main character this time.
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From: Heroic Mario
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:25:25 PM | Message Detail
Star Fox Assault, just to add to the rest, sold ~300,000, too.
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From: Team Rocket Elite
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:37:17 PM | Message Detail
TRE, you're usually the man who answers my drop-down list questions, heh...you care to post/e-mail me the list of games on it?
Here you go:
Advance Wars
Adventure
Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Battlefield 1942
Burnout 3: Takedown
Call of Duty
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Chrono Cross
Chrono Trigger
Command & Conquer Red Alert
Contra
Deus Ex
Devil May Cry
Diablo II
Doom
Dragon Warrior
Dune II: The Building of a Dynasty
Earthbound
F-Zero
Fallout 2
Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy IV (II)
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Final Fantasy VI (III)
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy X
Fire Emblem (GBA)
God of War
Goldeneye 007
Gran Turismo
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
Grand Theft Auto III
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Grim Fandango
Gunstar Heroes
Half-Life
Half-Life 2
Half-Life: Counter-Strike
Halo: Combat Evolved
Herzog Zwei
Homeworld
ICO
Kingdom Hearts
Madden NFL 2004
Master of Orion
Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Metroid
Metroid Fusion
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
Mortal Kombat
NiGHTS into dreams...
Pac-Man
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Perfect Dark
Phantasy Star IV
Pitfall!
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
Project Gotham Racing 2
Resident Evil
Resident Evil 4
Resident Evil Code: Veronica
Return Fire
River City Ransom
Rome: Total War
Sam & Max Hit the Road
Secret of Mana
Shenmue
Shining Force
Shining Force II
SimCity 2000
Skies of Arcadia
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Soul Calibur
SSX 3
Star Control II
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Star Wars: TIE Fighter
Starcraft
Starsiege: Tribes
Street Fighter II
Suikoden II
Super Mario 64
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario Kart
Super Mario RPG
Super Mario World
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
Super Metroid
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Syndicate
System Shock 2
Tecmo Super Bowl
Tekken 3
Tetris
Tetris Attack
The Legend of Zelda
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
The Simpsons
Thief II: The Metal Age
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss
Ultima VII: The Black Gate
Unreal Tournament 2004
Vagrant Story
Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution
Virtua Tennis
Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos
Wing Commander II
Wipeout XL
World of Warcraft
X-COM: UFO Defense
Xenogears
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Here you go:
Advance Wars
Adventure
Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Battlefield 1942
Burnout 3: Takedown
Call of Duty
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Chrono Cross
Chrono Trigger
Command & Conquer Red Alert
Contra
Deus Ex
Devil May Cry
Diablo II
Doom
Dragon Warrior
Dune II: The Building of a Dynasty
Earthbound
F-Zero
Fallout 2
Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy IV (II)
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Final Fantasy VI (III)
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy X
Fire Emblem (GBA)
God of War
Goldeneye 007
Gran Turismo
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
Grand Theft Auto III
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Grim Fandango
Gunstar Heroes
Half-Life
Half-Life 2
Half-Life: Counter-Strike
Halo: Combat Evolved
Herzog Zwei
Homeworld
ICO
Kingdom Hearts
Madden NFL 2004
Master of Orion
Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Metroid
Metroid Fusion
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
Mortal Kombat
NiGHTS into dreams...
Pac-Man
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Perfect Dark
Phantasy Star IV
Pitfall!
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
Project Gotham Racing 2
Resident Evil
Resident Evil 4
Resident Evil Code: Veronica
Return Fire
River City Ransom
Rome: Total War
Sam & Max Hit the Road
Secret of Mana
Shenmue
Shining Force
Shining Force II
SimCity 2000
Skies of Arcadia
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Soul Calibur
SSX 3
Star Control II
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Star Wars: TIE Fighter
Starcraft
Starsiege: Tribes
Street Fighter II
Suikoden II
Super Mario 64
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario Kart
Super Mario RPG
Super Mario World
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
Super Metroid
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Syndicate
System Shock 2
Tecmo Super Bowl
Tekken 3
Tetris
Tetris Attack
The Legend of Zelda
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
The Simpsons
Thief II: The Metal Age
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss
Ultima VII: The Black Gate
Unreal Tournament 2004
Vagrant Story
Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution
Virtua Tennis
Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos
Wing Commander II
Wipeout XL
World of Warcraft
X-COM: UFO Defense
Xenogears
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From: yoblazer33
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:40:05 PM | Message Detail
Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy IV (II)
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Final Fantasy VI (III)
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy X
Fire Emblem (GBA)
God of War
Goldeneye 007
Gran Turismo
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
Grand Theft Auto III
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
I can already sense the flames coming, but does anyone else think Goldeneye might not have done so well had it not been sandwiched between Final Fantasy and GTA?
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Final Fantasy IV (II)
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Final Fantasy VI (III)
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy X
Fire Emblem (GBA)
God of War
Goldeneye 007
Gran Turismo
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
Grand Theft Auto III
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
I can already sense the flames coming, but does anyone else think Goldeneye might not have done so well had it not been sandwiched between Final Fantasy and GTA?
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.
From: Janus5000
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:41:48 PM | Message Detail
Not really; if anything, I think it would've been overlooked because of that. I doubt its placement affected its performance.
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From: yoblazer33
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:43:12 PM | Message Detail
Well, it did earn a contest 3 seed under its own power, so it probably is nothing. I'm just throwing it out there. =P
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.
From: Mac Arrowny
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:43:56 PM | Message Detail
I think it's more likely that it would've been hurt by people looking for it in the "0" section.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:50:32 PM | Message Detail
You really were using that list constantly, and it really is just not worth doing so.
Maybe so, but it's the only definite thing we have one GameFAQs to show any advantage between EB/Ness and F-Zero/CF. Show me something else I can work with that GameFAQs will support, and I'll be more than glad to see what I can do with it.
Friendly reminder: Star Fox 64 sold 1.9M copies. F-Zero X sold 400K. F-Zero GX was around 300K, and Star Fox Adventures ~900K. Falcon is nowhere even close to Fox. [...] Star Fox Assault, just to add to the rest, sold ~300,000, too.
I didn't realize SF64 sold that much, nor did I know F-Zero's that low in sales. How did the original F-Zero and EB sell?
Appreciate the list, TRE.
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Maybe so, but it's the only definite thing we have one GameFAQs to show any advantage between EB/Ness and F-Zero/CF. Show me something else I can work with that GameFAQs will support, and I'll be more than glad to see what I can do with it.
Friendly reminder: Star Fox 64 sold 1.9M copies. F-Zero X sold 400K. F-Zero GX was around 300K, and Star Fox Adventures ~900K. Falcon is nowhere even close to Fox. [...] Star Fox Assault, just to add to the rest, sold ~300,000, too.
I didn't realize SF64 sold that much, nor did I know F-Zero's that low in sales. How did the original F-Zero and EB sell?
Appreciate the list, TRE.
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From: Brainstruck
| Posted: 2/27/2006 9:53:18 PM | Message Detail
Those numbers sound about right to me. Do you know how much StarFox Adventures sold?
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From: ChichiriMuyo
| Posted: 2/27/2006 11:08:38 PM | Message Detail
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 2/27/2006 10:02:40 PM | Message Detail
I, myself, would take Fox over both Falcon and Ness for what it is worth.
From the mouths of lunatics, ladies and gentlemen.
"I'd take Fox over any SSB/M character outside of those from the Mario and Zelda series (and Samus)."
And Kirby? (And Ness)
"I simply think he can beat Ness."
I simply know you're wrong.
'I'd easily take Fox over DK,"
I wouldn't It sounds downrigth suicidal.
"I didn't realize SF64 sold that much"
It was a big headliner for them at the time, and it came with the rumble pak. Nintento + innovation = sales.
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I, myself, would take Fox over both Falcon and Ness for what it is worth.
From the mouths of lunatics, ladies and gentlemen.
"I'd take Fox over any SSB/M character outside of those from the Mario and Zelda series (and Samus)."
And Kirby? (And Ness)
"I simply think he can beat Ness."
I simply know you're wrong.
'I'd easily take Fox over DK,"
I wouldn't It sounds downrigth suicidal.
"I didn't realize SF64 sold that much"
It was a big headliner for them at the time, and it came with the rumble pak. Nintento + innovation = sales.
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Detective in Sir Chris' Police
From: ChichiriMuyo
| Posted: 2/27/2006 11:09:39 PM | Message Detail
"From the mouths of lunatics, ladies and gentlemen."
That, btw, was a playful "welcome back" to your original sn, obv.
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Detective in Sir Chris' Police
That, btw, was a playful "welcome back" to your original sn, obv.
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From: Karma Hunter
| Posted: 2/27/2006 11:12:34 PM | Message Detail
Fox would kill Ness. Seriously. Ness has
no shot in that match. Even if Fox wasn't in SSB/M I'd take him over
Ness. It's beyond X-Stats, it's that it's Fox McCloud against Ness. Taking Ness would be suicidal.
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751
From: Team Rocket Elite
| Posted: 2/27/2006 11:20:28 PM | Message Detail
http://www.thengamer.com/stats/
Big thanks to Ngamer64 for the webspace. Right now I have every Stats and Discussion Topic I have uploaded on the site except the old Part 277(I need to fix up a few things on it). They don't look too nice, but they're there if anybody needs them for reference. I'll see if I can get the other things I have archived on there over the next few days.
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Big thanks to Ngamer64 for the webspace. Right now I have every Stats and Discussion Topic I have uploaded on the site except the old Part 277(I need to fix up a few things on it). They don't look too nice, but they're there if anybody needs them for reference. I'll see if I can get the other things I have archived on there over the next few days.
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From: Brainstruck
| Posted: 2/27/2006 11:22:04 PM | Message Detail
I would take Fox over Ness and Falcon without a second thought...
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From: Heroic Mario
| Posted: 2/27/2006 11:35:02 PM | Message Detail
For no particular reason, here is a little breakdown on the Star Fox series.
Worldwide Numbers
1.) Star Fox [Nintendo 64] -- 4 million
2.) Star Fox [Super Nintendo] -- 2.99 million
3.) Star Fox Adventures [GameCube] -- 1.90 million
4.) Star Fox Assault [GameCube] -- 678,000 (estimated)
North America Numbers
1.) Star Fox 64 [Nintendo 64] -- 2.76 million
2.) Star Fox [Super Nintendo] -- 1.63 million
3.) Star Fox Adventures [GameCube] -- 940,000
4.) Star Fox Assault [GameCube] -- 277,838
Star Fox is, by far, the most popular in America over Japan and Europe. With the exception of Star Fox Assault, every other Star Fox game has broke a million sold or will break a million soon (Star Fox Adventures). An absolutely huge series, no doubt. That combined with SSB/SSBM and I am rather clueless just as to why Fox has not been consistently here from the beginning. He has all the necessary factors to be a damn strong competitor in the contests.
How did the original F-Zero and EB sell?
F-Zero sold 1.42 million copies in North America and 2.85 worldwide. F-Zero X, as mentioned, sold 400,000 in America and 1.10 worldwide.
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Worldwide Numbers
1.) Star Fox [Nintendo 64] -- 4 million
2.) Star Fox [Super Nintendo] -- 2.99 million
3.) Star Fox Adventures [GameCube] -- 1.90 million
4.) Star Fox Assault [GameCube] -- 678,000 (estimated)
North America Numbers
1.) Star Fox 64 [Nintendo 64] -- 2.76 million
2.) Star Fox [Super Nintendo] -- 1.63 million
3.) Star Fox Adventures [GameCube] -- 940,000
4.) Star Fox Assault [GameCube] -- 277,838
Star Fox is, by far, the most popular in America over Japan and Europe. With the exception of Star Fox Assault, every other Star Fox game has broke a million sold or will break a million soon (Star Fox Adventures). An absolutely huge series, no doubt. That combined with SSB/SSBM and I am rather clueless just as to why Fox has not been consistently here from the beginning. He has all the necessary factors to be a damn strong competitor in the contests.
How did the original F-Zero and EB sell?
F-Zero sold 1.42 million copies in North America and 2.85 worldwide. F-Zero X, as mentioned, sold 400,000 in America and 1.10 worldwide.
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From: Heroic Mario
| Posted: 2/27/2006 11:37:09 PM | Message Detail
Oh, and I don't have exact numbers on EarthBound, but it was flopped
horribly in sales. It is widely known that EarthBound had very poor
sales, though the expectation was the complete opposite.
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From: transience
| Posted: 2/27/2006 11:43:10 PM | Message Detail
okay, time for my two cents.
1. Sub-Zero
I believe that Sub is slightly stronger than Scorpion, but not by very much at all. I don't think he'd be any stronger than Scorpion's x-stat value though because of MK's drop in popularity. in a head-to-head matchup, I'd take Sub over Scorpion, but I'd have to struggle to find someone who would vote for one and not the other. Sub isn't going to be Ryu to Scorpion's Ken, if that makes sense; I'd put him at about 23% or so.
2. Raiden
eh, I'll give him credit, mostly because Solid Snake is a Noble Nine member. from what I hear about Raiden, one would expect significant SFF. how much? well, I have no idea, but MGS is a very popular game on this site. I've heard people say that Squall is awful for years, yet he's near-elite. (and got destroyed by Cloud, if you want to talk SFF)
anyway, I'll place him at about 22% or so. could be as high as 26-27%, or below the fodder line. not sure.
3. Nightmare
I don't know **** about SC, but I do know that it did extremely well against KH. I think it's doubly overrated, though - KH anti-votes and then Starcraft. that said, it still performed a ton better than SF2 and MK, so it is likely the strongest fighting game that we have.
so how will Nightmare do? I think he'll do okay, but not great. I'll place him around the fodder line, 20-21%. I don't really have a good way to gauge him, but I've never heard the name outside of Board 8. mind you, I couldn't name more than a couple characters from SC off the top of my head, but I doubt he's the "face" of SC like Sub is to MK. he could really be anywhere, from a decent midcarder to an absolute flop.
4. Captain Falcon
quick, name characters from a racing game that have been in the contest!
the first thought that comes to my mind is Tanner, who is of course infamous. GF users just don't care about racing games. the trendy question over the last month or so is CF vs. Ness, and I'd take Ness without thinking twice. GF is RPG land, and RPG characters are so superior to racing game characters here that it's not even funny. I would expect Ness to take far more of his strength from Earthbound than CF would from F-Zero. EB is a cult game that people love. F-Zero? well, let's just say that I don't expect people to play F-Zero for its characters.
therefore, I think CF is drawing almost all of his support from SSBM. how liked is he? I'm no SSBM pro, but I cannot play as CF because he moves so god damn fast. I don't like Ness either, but people seem to like him more as a playable SSBM character than CF. I'll put CF at about 18-19% on SSBM alone, but he'd suffer some wicked SFF and I'd be really shaky about taking him to win a match against anyone.
(note: I freaking love F-Zero GX and don't care about EB at all.)
5. Prince of Persia
honestly, I think he's going to flop. I think his ceiling is Kratos and it's possible he could do that well, but I could also see him just being miserably bad, like Kuja bad. I'll nominate him because he has a large range, but I don't see GF as being the place for non-Nintendo platforming characters. Kratos won PS2 GOTY here and he's still only at about 23-25% (which is probably being generous as-is). I haven't heard half the acclaim for any POP game that GOW got. I hear they're good games, but not like I do with GOW. I'll say 15-17% for POP.
1. Sub-Zero
I believe that Sub is slightly stronger than Scorpion, but not by very much at all. I don't think he'd be any stronger than Scorpion's x-stat value though because of MK's drop in popularity. in a head-to-head matchup, I'd take Sub over Scorpion, but I'd have to struggle to find someone who would vote for one and not the other. Sub isn't going to be Ryu to Scorpion's Ken, if that makes sense; I'd put him at about 23% or so.
2. Raiden
eh, I'll give him credit, mostly because Solid Snake is a Noble Nine member. from what I hear about Raiden, one would expect significant SFF. how much? well, I have no idea, but MGS is a very popular game on this site. I've heard people say that Squall is awful for years, yet he's near-elite. (and got destroyed by Cloud, if you want to talk SFF)
anyway, I'll place him at about 22% or so. could be as high as 26-27%, or below the fodder line. not sure.
3. Nightmare
I don't know **** about SC, but I do know that it did extremely well against KH. I think it's doubly overrated, though - KH anti-votes and then Starcraft. that said, it still performed a ton better than SF2 and MK, so it is likely the strongest fighting game that we have.
so how will Nightmare do? I think he'll do okay, but not great. I'll place him around the fodder line, 20-21%. I don't really have a good way to gauge him, but I've never heard the name outside of Board 8. mind you, I couldn't name more than a couple characters from SC off the top of my head, but I doubt he's the "face" of SC like Sub is to MK. he could really be anywhere, from a decent midcarder to an absolute flop.
4. Captain Falcon
quick, name characters from a racing game that have been in the contest!
the first thought that comes to my mind is Tanner, who is of course infamous. GF users just don't care about racing games. the trendy question over the last month or so is CF vs. Ness, and I'd take Ness without thinking twice. GF is RPG land, and RPG characters are so superior to racing game characters here that it's not even funny. I would expect Ness to take far more of his strength from Earthbound than CF would from F-Zero. EB is a cult game that people love. F-Zero? well, let's just say that I don't expect people to play F-Zero for its characters.
therefore, I think CF is drawing almost all of his support from SSBM. how liked is he? I'm no SSBM pro, but I cannot play as CF because he moves so god damn fast. I don't like Ness either, but people seem to like him more as a playable SSBM character than CF. I'll put CF at about 18-19% on SSBM alone, but he'd suffer some wicked SFF and I'd be really shaky about taking him to win a match against anyone.
(note: I freaking love F-Zero GX and don't care about EB at all.)
5. Prince of Persia
honestly, I think he's going to flop. I think his ceiling is Kratos and it's possible he could do that well, but I could also see him just being miserably bad, like Kuja bad. I'll nominate him because he has a large range, but I don't see GF as being the place for non-Nintendo platforming characters. Kratos won PS2 GOTY here and he's still only at about 23-25% (which is probably being generous as-is). I haven't heard half the acclaim for any POP game that GOW got. I hear they're good games, but not like I do with GOW. I'll say 15-17% for POP.
From: yoblazer33
| Posted: 2/28/2006 12:37:00 AM | Message Detail
therefore, I think CF is drawing almost all of his support from SSBM.
After failing to break 25% on Bowser and barely breaking 17% on Mario, the same case can be made for Ness. I think people are seriously overestimating Earthbound here. Apart from Ness's wins against Jak and CJ, the series as a whole has been a big disappointment in a contest setting. The game flopped, Ness has shown that he is completely unable to fend off Nintendo SFF (which suggests a vast majority of his strength also comes from Smash), and Giygas was completely trashed.
I attribute this Ness confidence over Falcon to one of two things:
1. He's cost everyone points, and some people are scared. Between Jak and CJ, very few people can say they've predicted all (or even most) of Ness's matches correctly.
2. We've seen him for three straight years, whilst Falcon is a complete rookie (and Fox has been on hiatus for two years).
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After failing to break 25% on Bowser and barely breaking 17% on Mario, the same case can be made for Ness. I think people are seriously overestimating Earthbound here. Apart from Ness's wins against Jak and CJ, the series as a whole has been a big disappointment in a contest setting. The game flopped, Ness has shown that he is completely unable to fend off Nintendo SFF (which suggests a vast majority of his strength also comes from Smash), and Giygas was completely trashed.
I attribute this Ness confidence over Falcon to one of two things:
1. He's cost everyone points, and some people are scared. Between Jak and CJ, very few people can say they've predicted all (or even most) of Ness's matches correctly.
2. We've seen him for three straight years, whilst Falcon is a complete rookie (and Fox has been on hiatus for two years).
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From: greatone10
| Posted: 2/28/2006 12:38:22 AM | Message Detail
DRIV3R is not a racing game, though.
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From: Karma Hunter
| Posted: 2/28/2006 12:41:31 AM | Message Detail
Ness/Jak frustrated me to no end, because everyone said Ness would win
because Jak was weak, not because Ness was strong...and then Jak went
out and did better than Ness 2k3. If only I had thought of SSB/M SFF...
...which I did, fortunately, for Ness/CJ.
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751
...which I did, fortunately, for Ness/CJ.
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751
From: yoblazer33
| Posted: 2/28/2006 12:43:55 AM | Message Detail
Ness/Jak frustrated me to no end, because everyone said Ness would win because Jak was weak, not because Ness was strong
You know why I put Jak over Ness in 2004? Because I thought it was completely unrealistic for any character to draw a majority of his/her strength outside their main series.
Y HELO THAR, SMASH BROS.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.
You know why I put Jak over Ness in 2004? Because I thought it was completely unrealistic for any character to draw a majority of his/her strength outside their main series.
Y HELO THAR, SMASH BROS.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.
From: transience
| Posted: 2/28/2006 1:08:33 AM | Message Detail
I don't think EB is a significant source of Ness's popularity, but it has to account for something.
(I point to the top 100 list, where EB finished in the top 50.) I don't
like CF at all despite my loving F-Zero, and I'd expect others to feel
the same. I was rather shocked that he suddenly got an army behind him.
seriously, who plays racing games for the characters? give me Ness.
*goes to read the third and fourth page now*
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xyzzy
seriously, who plays racing games for the characters? give me Ness.
*goes to read the third and fourth page now*
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xyzzy
From: transience
| Posted: 2/28/2006 1:23:45 AM | Message Detail
ahh, seems like I'm late to the party with the whole Ness/CF thing.
I would take the original F-Zero over EB. it was either a launch title or a game that came out very close to the beginning of the SNES's life, and it was well-received. (or at least, everyone I knew loved it.) I wouldn't be completely comfortable about it, but I'd make the pick.
I would take Fox over Ness without so much as thinking about it. I'd be shocked if Ness beat Fox.
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xyzzy
I would take the original F-Zero over EB. it was either a launch title or a game that came out very close to the beginning of the SNES's life, and it was well-received. (or at least, everyone I knew loved it.) I wouldn't be completely comfortable about it, but I'd make the pick.
I would take Fox over Ness without so much as thinking about it. I'd be shocked if Ness beat Fox.
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From: Karma Hunter
| Posted: 2/28/2006 1:28:24 AM | Message Detail
I must be the only person on Earth that plays racing games and pays attention to the story/character development. =(
I unlocked every character's profile and backstory in F-Zero GX, along with all their ending movies. And was intrigued by the Story Mode. AND bothered to actually get as many of the GP interview questions as I possibly could (anyone who's done this knows how much of an utter, UTTER waste of time this one is).
...point is, I love Falcon, would vote him over tons of characters in the contest, and SSB/M has *nothing* to do with it (I hate Falcon in that game). No, I'm not trying to use this as an argument, and I know I'm the furthest thing from the norm imaginable...but I just wanted to relate my eccentric experiences.
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Please, nominate Aeris Gainsborough for SC2k6:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751
I unlocked every character's profile and backstory in F-Zero GX, along with all their ending movies. And was intrigued by the Story Mode. AND bothered to actually get as many of the GP interview questions as I possibly could (anyone who's done this knows how much of an utter, UTTER waste of time this one is).
...point is, I love Falcon, would vote him over tons of characters in the contest, and SSB/M has *nothing* to do with it (I hate Falcon in that game). No, I'm not trying to use this as an argument, and I know I'm the furthest thing from the norm imaginable...but I just wanted to relate my eccentric experiences.
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Please, nominate Aeris Gainsborough for SC2k6:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=26571751
From: ernest
| Posted: 2/28/2006 1:31:30 AM | Message Detail
so if we get falco/snake would snake get over 85%
what are the odds of nightmare/sub-zero vs sonic?
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what are the odds of nightmare/sub-zero vs sonic?
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From: transience
| Posted: 2/28/2006 1:32:32 AM | Message Detail
I unlocked every character's profile and backstory in F-Zero GX,
along with all their ending movies. And was intrigued by the Story
Mode. AND bothered to actually get as many of the GP interview
questions as I possibly could (anyone who's done this knows how much of
an utter, UTTER waste of time this one is).
good heavens. I beat story mode and all, but this is hardcore.
...point is, I love Falcon, would vote him over tons of characters in the contest, and SSB/M has *nothing* to do with it (I hate Falcon in that game). No, I'm not trying to use this as an argument, and I know I'm the furthest thing from the norm imaginable...but I just wanted to relate my eccentric experiences.
heh, at least you're honest. I'd expect you to be far outside the norm.
I would probably vote for CF just because I love F-Zero, but I doubt others are like me either. most people are probably like "yo, he's in SSBM, screw the other guy!"
speaking of which - HM, do you have F-Zero sales numbers by chance?
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good heavens. I beat story mode and all, but this is hardcore.
...point is, I love Falcon, would vote him over tons of characters in the contest, and SSB/M has *nothing* to do with it (I hate Falcon in that game). No, I'm not trying to use this as an argument, and I know I'm the furthest thing from the norm imaginable...but I just wanted to relate my eccentric experiences.
heh, at least you're honest. I'd expect you to be far outside the norm.
I would probably vote for CF just because I love F-Zero, but I doubt others are like me either. most people are probably like "yo, he's in SSBM, screw the other guy!"
speaking of which - HM, do you have F-Zero sales numbers by chance?
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