Who do you think the strongest non-Square, non-Nintendo female would be?

The only names that come to mind are KOS-MOS and Jill Valentine. And since KOS is actually a robot, that means Jill Valentine.
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Bowser and Squall wouldn't even begin to touch Link.

And there be more fodder because (and this is assuming we have a large 32 or 64 team bracket) to get strong teams, you would need to pit strong characters together, which makes about 20 decent teams, max. The rest of those 44 are going to be fodder with fodder.
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What about The Boss or Chung-Li or someone along those lines. Maybe even Amy Rose or Colette >_>
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Not really... fodder would end up getting paired with the stronger characters in most cases, in a few it wouldn't work out due to overseeding of some people, but it would be less than what we currently have.

And yeah, I meant a 32 team field, as Ceej has shown he doesn't mind making it 32 for the spring. 64 characters still though.

As for Squall/Bowser not being able to touch Link, why the hell not? Tanner brings nothing to the table for Link, Bowser has the Mario namesake behind it, and Mario has proven to be the SFF king, or so I think, Bowser could surely benefit from that as well, granted it would be much less in magnitude, and well goddammit, Squall is a ****ing beast already, and with KHII around the corner, not only will it boost Square as a whole, but he himself has a pretty decent sized role in it. It's not like the gap between them and Link is MASSIVE. They're both near noblers.

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If anything Link would SFF Bowser and make them look ridiculous. And after Link gets Twilight Princess, he may be unbeatable by anyone except for a team of Cloud and Sephiroth.
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A tag contest would be amazing because it would be so much different than any of us would expect. Why? Anti-votes play an infinitely more important role.

I won't get into a detailed explanation right now, but I will give one very simple example.

I would vote CATS over Link.
I would NOT vote CATS and Cloud over Link.
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If anything Link would SFF Bowser and make them look ridiculous. And after Link gets Twilight Princess, he may be unbeatable by anyone except for a team of Cloud and Sephiroth.

Except that the Mario series > Zelda series when it comes to SFF. Plus Link gets more anti-votes than nearly anybody. And *gasp* TP won't be out then.

A team of Cloud and Seph? Wow... now I know you don't know what's going on. Most wasted team ever. I seriously doubt you'll find someone who would vote Seph > Link and not Cloud > Link. It would basically be Cloud v. Link. Extremely differing fanbases of awesome strength = instant win.

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Damn, this topic blew up. I'm going to add my comment as I see fit while I still finish reading the rest. First thing of note from Chichiri:

Ness actually means something to his game, and his game actually means something to GameFAQs unlike any of the mentioned F-Zero games. I cannot see him losing to Falcon, and I cannot see why people are so insistant that Falcon has a chance to win that match (there apparently will always be characters you people overrate against my best warnings *cough*Kerrigan*cough*).

*looks at Earthbounds 41st ranking in SC2k5 X-stats*

Earthbound means something to GameFAQs? I think you confused GameFAQs with "Board 8". Earthbound lost to Doom, which got destroyed by FFVI, which lost to LttP, which lost to Chrono Trigger. Thus, there's little room for Earthbound to be underrated like Ness is in a contest setting. It flat out bombed. It's a popular cult game at best. My point is that Earthbound's "popularity" is easily negligible like yoblazer said. Ness draws far more strength from SSB/M. I think Falcon is definitely more popular than Ness in those games. I would have to give Falcon the edge in that matchup. I don't even know why you're trying to compare him to Kerrigan...
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1. How would you rank them in order of strength?

Subby > Falcon > PoP > Nightmare > Raiden.

2. Who is the strongest character you would take each character over?

Personally, using the all time lol-stats...
Subby, Falcon: Scorpion
PoP: Tails
Nightmare: Fox McCloud
Raiden: Vyse

3. What seed do you foresee each character getting, should they make it in?

PoP: 3(5)
Sub: 4(7)
Falcon: 4(8)
Nightmare: 5(10)
Raiden: 7(14)

4. Which character(s) would you like to see each character face in a contest match?

Sub-Zero should get Pac-Man, if only to raise questions on how he and Scorp really compare. The Prince can have DK. Falcon needs a non-Nintendo fighter, so let's have him be the latest in the long line of Freeman killers. Nightmare can test Alucard, while Raiden gets to job to Knuckles as payback.

5. How does this group compare to last year's five (Ocelot, Tifa, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Lloyd)? Did we get a better selection this year?

I think we're a little less varied, but I can't believe that any of the four newbies we picked won't prove they deserved a shot.

The Prince of Persia - Do you think he'll be stronger or weaker than Kratos from God of War?

About equal, though I'd give the Prince a slight nod in a head to head match, pending an absolutely horrible pic (and he's got those in spades).

Nightmare - Are there any other fighting game characters that have yet to be in a contest that you would rank above him? Was he the best possible representative from Soul Calibur (Link doesn't count...).

Pure fighters? Well, Subby and Liu Kang from MK, Guile and possibly Sakura and Dan from SF, coinflip with Yoshi from SC/Tekken... that's about it, I think.

Sub-Zero - The obvious one: How far above or below Scorpion do you think he'll be? Would you take him in a direct match against Ken?

Coin flip, and I'd take Sub-Zero without hesitation.

Captain Falcon - In a direct match against Ness, who would get SFF'd, if anyone did? Are there any other characters who draw most of their power from Super Smash Brothers who would do better than Falcon OR Ness?

IF there was SFF (and that's very debatable), I'd give the edge to Ness. And I don't think anyone who hasn't shown up yet in the SC will be able to do better than what the Cap'n does.

Raiden - Will the lack of exposure since MGS2 hurt him? In other words, was his potential strength higher in 2003 than it is now? Also, will he be stronger than Liquid and/or Ocelot? Would he beat either head-to-head?

Well, it can't help him. He won't be stuck behind Solid (we hope), so it would be a real feat to do worse. He'd lose to both Liquid and Ocelot.
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Except that the Mario series > Zelda series when it comes to SFF.

Right, and how good did Mario do against Link again?

Plus Link gets more anti-votes than nearly anybody.

So? Nearly everyone gets anti-votes for some reason. I don't think a hundred or so anti-votes are going to make a difference.

And *gasp* TP won't be out then.

I was talking assuming this would be taking place next spring.

I seriously doubt you'll find someone who would vote Seph > Link and not Cloud > Link. It would basically be Cloud v. Link.

True. When I said that, I immediately thought of the next strongest characters. You get the point though.

Extremely differing fanbases of awesome strength = instant win.

It would be exciting for mid-carders, but the stars would win their matches regardless of their partner.

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Thinkin' back, as a fun-fact, EB was one match away from being the Ultimate Loser (SMB3/CT). Don't mistake it for being weak though; despite that, I'd argue EB means more to the GameFAQs visiters here than F-Zero did for the SNES...or any other F-Zero game. It also says something EB even made it into the contest.
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Right, and how good did Mario do against Link again?

Don't even tell me you're using 2K2. lolololo Mario > Cloud.

So? Nearly everyone gets anti-votes for some reason. I don't think a hundred or so anti-votes are going to make a difference.

If you think Link only recieves 100 anti-votes you're delusional. And like I said, Link recieves a lot more than nearly anyone else due to his status.

I was talking assuming this would be taking place next spring.

...why?

True. When I said that, I immediately thought of the next strongest characters. You get the point though.

*pelvic thrust*

It would be exciting for mid-carders, but the stars would win their matches regardless of their partner.

It would be exciting for mid-carders, but the stars would win their matches regardless of their partner.

Well that's what this who debate is over so, lol interent.

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Yeah, it says that its fanbase is devoted, which is also the reason why Ness made it into the contest despite the fact that I'd take multiple people from SSBM over him.

Earthbound *is* weak, plain and simple. It got clobbered in the Games Contest, and the list is worth only so much. Having it done in that format is nothing like an actual contest, unless you would do things like take MGS, Goldeneye, and Halo over FF6.
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But it's not about whether or not Earthbound is more popular than F-Zero. It's that it doesn't matter anyways, since it's a matter of who is preferred in SSB/M. Both are optional characters in the first, and starting in the second so neither has an advantage in terms of role in the series. But like I said, I'd easily take Falcon over Ness on the terms of SSB/M popularity and casual appeal as a whole. I don't see why Earthbound is being considered some kind of RPG powerhouse anyways.

QUESTION: Does anybody know how many entries there were in the Top 10 games contest? In arguments like this, people are always pointing to the Top 100 list in a debate by saying ______ placed at #___ on the Top 100 list. But out of how many entrants? 20000? 30000? If that's the case, I'd put much more weight on a contest with only 2 selections at a time in which upwards to 100000 people are voting. That's just me though. Anybody know the number of entrants?
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And SotN over Super Mario World lolololo silly list
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If you don't think Link wouldn't beat Mario around 60-40, you're delusional.

As for why... well, I'm assuming the female contest will be this year.

Thats my piece on this debate. I could be wrong and it could be awesome, but I would rather see one on ones or a team bracket with no noble nine.
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Also about the list, something to consider: EarthBound is only one game, while F-Zero has several that voters could have been split on.
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And SotN over Super Mario World lolololo silly list

Oh noes! Symphony of the Night is an absolute POWERHOUSE on this site! "The List" says so! I would be insane to even think that a Mega Man game was more popular than it. Who likes Mega Man games anyways? This is SOTN!!!
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This isn't about whether or not he would beat Mario 60-40. He's projected to do just that, actually I think it would be a tad bit closer myself thanks to Mario's dominace of SFF. Something like 58-42, still not really all that close, but a good improvement. Regardless, I was only saying that you should never use 2K2 numbers in a debate.

And for thinking that this year will be a female contest, than this whole debate is pretty pointless, why talk about something more than a year away? Plus I forgot that Bowser could potentially have New Super Mario Bros. for the DS depending on when the match were to occur. And that game will be absolutely huge.

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Yeah, it says that its fanbase is devoted, which is also the reason why Ness made it into the contest despite the fact that I'd take multiple people from SSBM over him.

1) Then Ness wouldn't get SFF'd by CAPTAIN FALCON if his fanbase wasn't so devoted. Plus -- though this somewhat contradicts what I just said -- I don't buy Ness's fanbase being THAT devoted. Both Bowser and Mario SFF'd him hard (and I would argue Ness is more appreciated in SSB/M than Bowser, at least), and Giygas getting decimated by Ganon doesn't support his cause either.
2) I'd like to see a list of every SSBM character you'd take over Ness, if ya don't care.


Earthbound *is* weak, plain and simple. It got clobbered in the Games Contest, and the list is worth only so much.

Points taken, though EB is still above fodder and we can't fairly and accurately say FF7 didn't SFF CT. Regardless, EB is still pretty weak from what the Game Contest showed.


Having it done in that format is nothing like an actual contest, unless you would do things like take MGS, Goldeneye, and Halo over FF6.

There can still be such a thing as tiers though. Look at some of the games around it. Doom is just a lil' ahead of EB, and both Sonic 2 and Tetris are nearby too. Obviously there's exceptions (GTA:VC stands out, but it was also behind GTA3 and GTA:SA...not entirely fair), but it's not such a big stretch. Besides, again, it still smoked #99 F-Zero, and it's arguably the most popular of the series.
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Both are optional characters in the first

Actually, I think CF was a starter.


Also about the list, something to consider: EarthBound is only one game, while F-Zero has several that voters could have been split on.

True, but only F-Zero was on the drop-down list.
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BOLD PREDICTION: Nominations for another Game Contest will open on March 1st.
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Well then our debate really comes down to how much weight you put into a single character on the team. I think its significant and you don't. Agree to disagree?

2) I'd like to see a list of every SSBM character you'd take over Ness, if ya don't care.

Wern't talking to me, but hey!

I would take:

Mario
Link
Samus
Fox
Ganondorf
Young Link
Zelda
Luigi
Kirby
Yoshi
Pikachu (maybe)
DK
Falco (maaaybe)
Falcon
Mewtwo (again, maybe)

over Ness. It would be fun to see the Ice Climbers in the contest, just to see where they stand.
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Falcon was hidden in SSB.
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BOLD PREDICTION: On March 1, therealmnm will be popping a nice large bottle of Grey Goose and be accompanied by sexy women. 24th birthday, yo. One more year until nice rental car rates.
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My bad then; I thought for sure CF started. Damn.


Because I know I'll forget by then, happy 24th birthday man. Take a shot for the stats, bay-bee!
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IIRC, Jiggilypuff, Captain Falcon, Ness and Luigi were the hiddens.
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Oh, and happy pre-Bday, mnm. Sexy ladies FTW!
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Yeah, I remembered the other three being secrets and I knew there was four...lookin' back, I don't guess I had an idea who the fourth one was, heh.
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I remember when I thought for sure Ridley was in SSBM cause he was in the opening video ;_;
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EC's topic had me intrigued before he deleted it... Where can I find the old Summer 2005 Stats topics?
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Archived on www.sc2k5.com would be my best guess.
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Besides, again, it still smoked #99 F-Zero, and it's arguably the most popular of the series.

Nah, that honor goes to F-Zero X. Multiplayer boosts it up even further.

True, but only F-Zero was on the drop-down list.

It's also the worst in the series (that I've played). I've heard many people on GFAQs praise FZGX as one of the best games of all time, myself among them. In addition, Falcon was much more important in the last couple F-Zero games, being an actual star rather than just another racer.
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I won't argue that, but I do question how many more fans of those games come here than fans of F-Zero.
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All this CF/F-Zero talk reminds me that, should I ever see it for cheap, I'm gonna buy F-Zero GX. I enjoyed F-Zero X (though never was big on the original).
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The last topic actually purged by accident. The last post in it was dated for the 25th, and there are still topics on the board where the last posts were made on the 25th.

Looks like I'll actually have to bother bumping the stats topic daily. Ugh. Not that it's a big loss, because the topic had almost 400 posts in it.

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Still waiting on an answer on whether or not anybody knows how many entries there were in the Top 10 Games contest...
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I don't remember ever seeing anything about it, mnm.
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I think there were something like 160. Remember, there was a big debate about what the top write-in game would be, and everyone agreed it would be Halo 2, it was just a matter of where it would end up placing. Some people (very foolishly) even put it in their top ten, costing themselves 75 pts when it came out in 85th.

I think the entire Top 100 was on the dropdown list except ToS (the #1 write-in, at 81st), Halo 2 at 85th, and maybe one or two things in the 90s. So yeah, 160-200 seems reasonable as a total number; certainly nothing like 1000-2000.

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And that's a bold prediction indeed, Har! I'm pulling for it, but with the way CJay shot down my "Spring Contest as Games" Contest without even a comment, I'm starting to think he's on a different wavelength. If I had to hazard a guess right now, I think I'd go with a 32 character Female Contest being announced in the next week.

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Where can I find the old Summer 2005 Stats topics?

I have all the topics saved. Are you looking for anything in particular?

The last topic actually purged by accident. The last post in it was dated for the 25th, and there are still topics on the board where the last posts were made on the 25th.

You forgot to take Time Zones into account. Every topic that hadn't been posted in since Feb 25 4pm PST got purged. The last post in the stats topic was around Feb 25 2pm PST. I managed to save most of the topic. I'm just missing half of page 6 and maybe a post or two at the end of Page 8.
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TRE, how large is your entire collection of saved Stats pages, in raw html format?

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Ya know... I really think some of you are ****ing nuts. Without SSB there is, as a 100% certainty, no shot of Falcon beating Ness. Seriously, even with it Falcon hasn't got an advantage. He'd be lucky to not be SFF'd by Ness, and he's certainly not going to beat him. I'm not going to listen to this nonsense from a bunch of people who probably would have taken Kerrigan over Ness last year.

Enjoy your rally, your character still sucks.
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I like CF and think he can manage up to 20%, but I'm with Chichiri; the over-estimation of CF > Ness is overboard.
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TRE, how large is your entire collection of saved Stats pages, in raw html format?

179MB. If I get rid of all the graphic files that are saved with them, the size will decrease to about half as much.
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80 MB, eh? Hm... alright, keep an eye on your e-mail.

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"*looks at Earthbounds 41st ranking in SC2k5 X-stats*"

*looks at the F-Zero games that never got enough nominations to enter, and it's pitiful 98th place in the top 100 games where Earthbound did reasonably well*

"Earthbound lost to Doom, which got destroyed by FFVI, which lost to LttP, which lost to Chrono Trigger."

So? CT is the 3rd strongest game on this site, LttP and FF6 aren't exactly ligthweigths either. The loss to Doom was bad, sure, but then again no one said it was a powerhouse... I just said it was more liked by GF than any F-Zero game. You lack evidence to the contrary (because it doesn't exist).

"Thus, there's little room for Earthbound to be underrated like Ness is in a contest setting."

What, no FF7 > CT SFF could possibly exist to underrate that entire half of the contest? People couldn't possibly be fans of more than one of the 3 most popular SNES games? Sure, you go ahead and say there's little room. If it comes back to bite you in the ass then all the better.

"I don't even know why you're trying to compare him to Kerrigan..."

Both are highly overrated by the board and would never make the contest field without it, obviously.

"I'd argue EB means more to the GameFAQs visiters here than F-Zero did for the SNES...or any other F-Zero game."

Or all of them combined, I'd wager.

'Yeah, it says that its fanbase is devoted, which is also the reason why Ness made it into the contest despite the fact that I'd take multiple people from SSBM over him."

You mean losers like Cpt. Falcon or heavyweights like Link, Mario and Samus?

"And SotN over Super Mario World lolololo silly list"

Why? Aside from bad dubbing it's on the same level. I'd personally put SotN over SMW by a lot, actually (it's my 3rd favorite Mario game), and I think it's more than fair that it got the nod.

"Actually, I think CF was a starter."

No-sir.

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Eh.. I can't see Falcon having all that many fans. I'd take Ness over him easily. I'd say Falcon's strength would be nearly equal to Fox McCloud.

80 MB, eh? Hm... alright, keep an eye on your e-mail.

One thing to note is that they look really bad if you remove the extra files. It's still readable though:

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Eh.. I can't see Falcon having all that many fans. I'd take Ness over him easily. I'd say Falcon's strength would be nearly equal to Fox McCloud.

Heh, oddly enough, I would probably take Fox over Ness in a close one, and I've made my stance that Ness would get 55% on CF...

...by the way, can anybody comment for sure if any Star Fox games were on the drop-down list or not?
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