I don't feel like going through each one, but I would take Raiden over anyone below Leon Kennedy.

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I cannot see him losing to Falcon, and I cannot see why people are so insistant that Falcon has a chance to win that match

If Falcon wins the Smash support, he wins the match. Nothing tough to see about that.
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If there were no SSB/M, I could *never* see Ness over Falcon. Ever.
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Captain Falcon



1. How would you rank them in order of strength?

Number four.


2. Who is the strongest character you would take each character over?

Probably Diablo as well (absolute max, blah blah).


3. What seed do you foresee each character getting, should they make it in?

5-seed for the man.


4. Which character(s) would you like to see each character face in a contest match?

I almost want to say Ness just because so many people argue for it...but I'd much rather see CF/Kefka.


Captain Falcon - In a direct match against Ness, who would get SFF'd, if anyone did? Are there any other characters who draw most of their power from Super Smash Brothers who would do better than Falcon OR Ness?

I would expect SFF to be minimal; they both have their own series...while EB is more loved, F-Zero has sold more and is more recent -- not to mention multiple games. I also wager that they're appreciated about the same in SSBM (with the slight edge to Ness)...and I think Ness is more-liked in SSB than CF (though CF is a starting character, so that evens out a bit)...

...point is, I think SFF wouldn't be much of a factor to worry about. I do, however, think Ness would get about 55% on CF, head-to-head or by comparison.
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Disagree. Almost no one has played EarthBound (hell, I bet a lot of people never even heard of EarthBound before SSB) to make it the advantage for Ness. If people think Falcons cool, it would be a lot easier to find a game of his, rent it, enjoy it, whatever, and come contest time say "Hey, its Falcon from SSBM. His own game is actually pretty cool too." Not saying people wouldn't do that for EB, but that its not as common.
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I suppose I'll put in my two cents:

Sub-Zero > The Prince > Captain Falcon > Nightmare > Raiden

I'll take Sub-Zero to be about 1% or so above Scorpion. I think he might be indirectly stronger than Ken Masters, but I wouldn't take him head-to-head.

Kratos seems like a good level for The Prince, though we're not even sure where Kratos actually stands, due to Snake/Sora.

I really have no confidence in Raiden, to be quite honest. He has NEVER been well-liked. Quite frankly, he's openly resented. At best, fans are indifferent to him now. I just don't see him breaking the fodder line.

I would take Ness over Falcon indirectly and directly. Earthbound is more of a difference maker than people are willing to give it credit for.

I'm not sure what to make of Nightmare, however. I don't know much about him. I know Soul Calibur is popular, but so is Tekken. I guess I'd put him a little above Jin Kazama, or thereabouts.
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People are really underestimating Earthbound, it seems. This is RPGFAQs, folks. Remember that. I wouldn't dare take a single F-Zero game over Earthbound in a games contest, not on your life.
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Prince of Persia



1. How would you rank them in order of strength?

The last of the five, though above the fodder-line.


2. Who is the strongest character you would take each character over?

Tommy Vercetti...which is a big push.


3. What seed do you foresee each character getting, should they make it in?

I think PoP will be the man to get a 2-seed if anybody of the five does.


4. Which character(s) would you like to see each character face in a contest match?

I'm a fan of PoP/KOS-MOS.


The Prince of Persia - Do you think he'll be stronger or weaker than Kratos from God of War?

Weaker, no matter where Kratos is at. Not necessarily alot weaker, but still below him.
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I would consider taking F-Zero GX over EarthBound.
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The Prince of Persia - Do you think he'll be stronger or weaker than Kratos from God of War?

Stronger but only by a little

Nightmare - Are there any other fighting game characters that have yet to be in a contest that you would rank above him? Was he the best possible representative from Soul Calibur (Link doesn't count...).

Sub-Zero (If we're counting him) and Akuma who would beat every single person here. Yeah he was the best rep from Soul Calibur

Sub-Zero - The obvious one: How far above or below Scorpion do you think he'll be? Would you take him in a direct match against Ken?

I would take him over Ken and I think he'd be a fair bit above Scorpion.

Captain Falcon - In a direct match against Ness, who would get SFF'd, if anyone did? Are there any other characters who draw most of their power from Super Smash Brothers who would do better than Falcon OR Ness?

I don't see either getting SFF'd at all really. I think it'll be evenly split and in the end rely on there series. And on Gamefaqs Earthbound >>>>>> The entire F-Zero series combined.

Raiden - Will the lack of exposure since MGS2 hurt him? In other words, was his potential strength higher in 2003 than it is now? Also, will he be stronger than Liquid and/or Ocelot? Would he beat either head-to-head?

It'll hurt him a little. I'm hesitant on Liquid but I'd take him over Ocelot.
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I would consider taking F-Zero GX over EarthBound.

That's where I disagree. Earthbound would defeat any F-Zero game, but as I've been saying, it doesn't matter. Super Smash Bros. gives both of these guys a majority of their support. Unless that support is split right down the center (which is unlikely, considering the rarity of close SFF matches), Earthbound and F-Zero shouldn't even play a role in the discussion.
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Which is fair. But to say that Falcon will beat Ness because of a bunch of games where he really isn't that important is silly.

Falcon does not need the F-Zero games in order to push him to victory. His support from SSB/M alone is enough for him to win the match, it is just a very nice bonus that he comes from a multi-million selling series. He's had plenty of popular GBA and GCN games this generation to help out. There is no reason to disregard them as nothing either. If we took SSB/SSBM away from them, Falcon wins with ease.

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I would beg to differ. I don't think Falcon WINS without SSBM.

There we go.
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Heh, ignoring SSB/M's existence, I'd take Ness over Falcon. Has a racing character even made the contest? I think the closest thing we have is Tanner...
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Has a racing character even made the contest?

Mario, Luigi, Yoshi, Bowser, Wario, and Donkey Kong...

*runs*
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This isn't just any racing character; its a Nintendo racing character. Coupled with the fact that Ness's game is obscure and Falcons aren't, I would say that puts Falcon ahead, or even at best.
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they both have their own series...while EB is more loved, F-Zero has sold more and is more recent -- not to mention multiple games.

Also...

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The only piece of evidence we have suggests that Earthbound is more popular than any F-Zero game. I'd probably take Earthbound over any racing game outside the Mario Kart series.
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If you think Falcon would best Ness without SSBM you're on crack.

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If this weren't RPGFAQs, you might have a point. As it stands, Earthbound isn't quite as obscure here.
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Oh, and HOLY ASS @ FAST STATS TOPIC.
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If we have high votals agaib this year, assuming many are casuals, I would say that hurts Ness.
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So would I... but it doesn't exactly benefit the F-Zero series and it's characters either. It all comes down to who takes the SSB/M vote, and I think it's most definitely Captain Falcon, his character appeal is much greater than Ness'.

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The only piece of evidence we have suggests that Earthbound is more popular than any F-Zero game. I'd probably take Earthbound over any racing game outside the Mario Kart series.

I would certainly think quite hard about a match between EarthBound and F-Zero GX. I would any game from the Mario Kart series over EarthBound without a second thought, though.

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Mario Kart 64 would be a tough out in a games contest.
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It's HaRRicH's fault! Any sort of discussion that would have taken place in this topic now has migrated to the Four Pack of Fun board! He's planted a seed of dissension and it's sabotaged the stats topic! Yeah... <_<

*struts*


Sub-Zero, Guile, maybe a few others.

Guile? Interesting, though I wouldn't bet on it.


Sub-zero vs. Scorpion, to find out who is stronger

Not even two years ago, Sub-Zero got 42+% against Scorpion AND five other MK characters. Scorpion was a solid second, of course, but that wouldn't change in a contest poll; you'll still see Sub-Zero > Scorpion.


Would you take him in a direct match against Ken?

I just now realized I forgot to anser this...Sub-Zero > Ken, not worried about it either.


Raiden over CATS, Nightmare over CATS.

Harsh...


Nightmare - Laharl

...JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST!!!


And you just finished saying SC isn't really known for its characters...

My thoughts.


And hopefully, Akuma and Serge (if he doesn't this year) will get their shots next year.

I'm not sold on Serge, but I'll support ya on Akuma.


When considering Ness/Falcon, any arguments featuring the words "Earthbound" and "F-Zero" can be safely discarded. It's all about who wins the Smash support, and I simply can't see Captain Falcon losing it.

You don't just forget about #37 on the Top 100 List that had Ness for a lead. Granted, you shouldn't forget about #98 either, but Ness is so much more to EB than CF is to F-Zero.


If we're talking about games outside of SSBM being the difference maker, there's no doubt Earthbound has the advantage, in my mind.

Word.


If there were no SSB/M, I could *never* see Ness over Falcon. Ever.

Point taken...to a degree; you could argue hard that SSB/M really pumped up EB's popularity...


Almost no one has played EarthBound (hell, I bet a lot of people never even heard of EarthBound before SSB)

...what's in parenthesis is right, but #37 doesn't get described as a game that "Almost no one has played".


I would consider taking F-Zero GX over EarthBound.
I would certainly think quite hard about a match between EarthBound and F-Zero GX.

I'll take any lead other bracket-makers allow me to have. Thanks.


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And to rank the five:
Prince
Falcon
Raiden
Nightmare
Subzero

Sub I completely do not support as a contestant; he's just unnecessary/useless. Nightmare I don't know anything about...but he just doesn't sound all that interesting. I may not be a huge street fighter or even mortal kombat fan, but people seem to know Liu Kang, Sonya, Subz, Ryu, Ken, Chun Li. Nightmare? I just don't know. Raiden? Bleh. I never liked him as a character, but he does have some potential. C. Falcon I'm partial to. I think he would beat Ness, not sure if anyone's brought it up (probably b/c it's so...stupid/strange a point) but ever consider that Falcon just has a lot more appeal than Ness? C Falcon is cool, Ness is...this little kid, a goofy looking little kid, at that.

I wouldn't be surprised if Prince is the most popular; his games seem to be. Don't know much about him, either, but the Kratos case is similar.

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A SITUATION: Suppose there is a female VG character contest in the Spring. Most likely, the finals would be Samus vs. Tifa/Aeris (I think we would all agree on this). Now, Ceej gives us the match pic and...

Samus is not wearing her helmet!

How drastically do you think this could affect the outcome of the match?
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It probably wouldn't, at all, since pictures never do anything of note.

But Aeris/Tifa? Yeah probably, but I think there's always been support to see a Zelda/Aeris or Zelda/Tifa match. It could be interesting. I wouldn't be completely disappointed if we got an all female contest. I would easily take that over no contest at all.
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That would be the match that pictures would make a difference. I'm not sure what kind, and I think Samus would still win with ease, but it would definitely be a factor.
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I don't think it would change the winner, Samus would still rock faces, but I think she'd underperform a decent amount.

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I wouldn't be completely disappointed if we got an all female contest. I would easily take that over no contest at all.

Indeed. I doubt any of us want to discuss the Nomination Rally winners exclusively for another four months.
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"lol x-stats" + I'm feeling lucky = Ryu's page on MMX's site.

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I would actually love to see a female contest, provided Ceej doesn't remove Samus from SC2K6 once she won.
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I'd much rather see a tag-team contest, just because I despise fodder, but it would be much better than nothing.

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Who do you think the strongest non-Square, non-Nintendo female would be?
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1. How would you rank them in order of strength?

Captain Falcon > Sub-Zero > Raiden > PoP > Nightmare

2. Who is the strongest character you would take each character over?

Going by CN's adjusted 2k5 Stats:

CF - Diablo
Sub-Zero - Gordon Freeman
Raiden - Kratos Aurion
PoP - Terra
Nightmare - King of all Cosmos

3. What seed do you foresee each character getting, should they make it in?

CF - 4 Sub-Zero - 5 Raiden - 6 PoP - 6 Nightmare - 7

Assuming the 8 characters per division stipulation applies again.

4. Which character(s) would you like to see each character face in a contest match?

>_>

5. How does this group compare to last year's five (Ocelot, Tifa, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Lloyd)? Did we get a better selection this year?

No one is going to do better than Tifa, but this group should be more balanced. Still, it'll be interesting, as Kerrigan and Lloyd were the busts from that group, and I can see PoP and Nightmare being busts from this year. That would mean a ranking of these groups could come down to whether Raiden does as well as Leon Kennedy.

The Prince of Persia - Do you think he'll be stronger or weaker than Kratos from God of War?

Weaker. I don't see a lot of popularity for this guy. Not much weaker though. I think Kratos's showing on Alucard is more of Alucard beginning to weaken than anything.

Nightmare - Are there any other fighting game characters that have yet to be in a contest that you would rank above him? Was he the best possible representative from Soul Calibur (Link doesn't count...).

I really can't think of an answer other than Nightmare for either, although I still expect him to bomb.

Sub-Zero - The obvious one: How far above or below Scorpion do you think he'll be? Would you take him in a direct match against Ken?

He'll be slightly above Scorpion, and I'd never take him against Ken Masters.

Captain Falcon - In a direct match against Ness, who would get SFF'd, if anyone did? Are there any other characters who draw most of their power from Super Smash Brothers who would do better than Falcon OR Ness?

I don't think much SFF would come out of a CF/Ness match. Marth and Roy could put up a fight, but I think CF and Ness would beat those two in a match. In a direct match between CF and Ness, I take Ness. His game is more popular here than CF's series, and that can help in a close battle. However, he seems to be more popular in the SSBM fanbase than CF anyway, so I would pick Ness in a convincing win.

Raiden - Will the lack of exposure since MGS2 hurt him? In other words, was his potential strength higher in 2003 than it is now? Also, will he be stronger than Liquid and/or Ocelot? Would he beat either head-to-head?

His potential strength was higher then, and wasted. He'll do better than the SFF vs Snake indicated, but it won't be of OMGWTFBBQ levels.
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A tag team contest would be cool, but then you'd have a huge amount of fodder and/or one character determining who wins (like if Link and Tanner were paired up, they would still beat Squall and Bowser). A small bracket would be the way to go.
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A tag team contest would be cool, but then you'd have a huge amount of fodder and/or one character determining who wins (like if Link and Tanner were paired up, they would still beat Squall and Bowser). A small bracket would be the way to go.

Squall/Bowser vs. Link? I'll take Squall and Bowser plz.

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Also why would there be any more fodder than usual? There would be less IMO.

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Who do you think the strongest non-Square, non-Nintendo female would be?

Sadly, all I can really think of is Chun Li or Jill Valentine/Claire Redfield.
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