I'd prefer if the ToC were made into a gauntlet itself. Winner vs. Seph -> Cloud -> Link.

That way, you get Link vs. Cloud at the end, and you still get the Champ fighting the weakest of the three.
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The problem with another ToC is how do you set it up to work with 4 characters + the new champ. You can't just exclude Mario as he is a champ now (paper or not). Maybe you could do it gauntlet style, sure, but I don't think ceej is going to come up with that. I'm thinking there won't be a ToC in 2k6.
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Maybe you could do it gauntlet style, sure, but I don't think ceej is going to come up with that.

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Figured I'd try my luck as I mentioned the idea here, heh.
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If it happens, you may face crucifixion. I didn't argue the point before because I expected it to be a pipe dream, but I do believe there are enough problems with it to believe if Ceej tried he wouldn't be able to pull it off properly (though I'm not sure we would either).
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I like to get ideas out, that's all. CJay tries new things with or without our input.
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If it were done gauntlet-style, we'd miss out on things such as Sonic's long-deserved foray into the final four, the setup for Kirby vs. Dante, and Knuckles finally getting out of the second round.

I'd prefer the main bracket to be done normally, and the ToC to be gauntlet-style.
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The biggest negative I see with the gauntlet is that we lose the prediction aspect of the Summer Contest. Even the Oracle would be hurt, since no one would be able to enter a prediction more than one day ahead of time, and so many more would miss a day and then lose interest. And then there's the Guru Contest and the Board Odds Project, both of which would be ruined.

On the plus side, maybe voting would be more "true" without any bracket vote to get in the way?

But then again, you'd have to imagine that by the end of a long run, the winning character would be getting anti-voted to death, for the sake of making the Contest more interesting and creating new matchups. If we thought Seph's Vil underperformance was bad, just wait till we see how he would look at the end of a 10 day fodder run.

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If we have to have a TOC again, I guess I'd like it to be done gauntlet style also. But I would really like to go back to the original system. My basic problem is that Mario doesn't deserve to be in a TOC, but he also doesn't deserve to have the three strongest characters held out so he can win another tournament.

Also, I wouldn't mind the TOC as much if the characters in the TOC got to have exhibition matches. How ridiculous is it that Cloud's record in 2005 was 0-1? Ceej could just take the characters that missed the nominations cut for the main bracket, and have Cloud, Link, and Sephiroth face one at the end of each round as an exhibition match.
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...so Clinkeroth just face fodder until the ToC, where they're suddenly amongst champions? Eh...not a big fan of that.
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I would hate to see Clinkeroth back into the field of 64, but at the same time I would hate to see Mario go into the ToC. As for Clinkeroth vs. Fodder at the end of the rounds, no thank you.

Also, I don't see why we couldn't make predictions for a gauntlet style contest, sure if you missed one match it could hurt a lot more than in the past, but it's still possible to get back on track.

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Honestly, I don't see how you could fairly put Link, Cloud, and Seph in the ToC again and place Mario back in the field. It's like you're acting like SC2K5 didn't happen or didn't count, which I don't believe Ceej would do.

Plus, I don't know if the Link, Cloud, and Sephy fans would want to deal with another year without them. It's obvious that, despite their dominance, they draw in the votes, or perhaps the fact that they draw in the votes facilitates their dominance.

However, the one problem I have with putting the ToC back into the bracket is that it DOES kill some opportunities for some. Vincent and Bowser would not have made the Elite Eight with them in it unless there was just flatout bad seeding.
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That's exactly why I like the ToC, it makes for a much better bracket overall, but if you start taking everybody out it becomes ridiculous.

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Well, he could just arbitrarily keep Cloud/Link/Seph out. Whatever works, works. Utilitarianism ftw.

Or, alternatively, you could put them all in the same division. That'd allow for interesting matches, and still keep 'em in the contest. Of course, the rest of the contest would be pretty anticlimactic, but who cares about climaxes anyway?
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I think the bracket has a quite a few remakes to go before taking everybody out becomes ridiculous. Take Mario out and the bracket is still tough to predict. Of course, leave him in and it's still tough to predict.
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I actually don't mind seeing characters get their ass beat by Clinkeroth, just to see how they measure up. As long as there are also plenty of close matches that cost the average bracket user a lot of points, I don't mind having them in it at all.

Hell, even though we all knew Sephy was going to win the Villains contest, it was still great to see Bowser and Ganondorf take large chunks out of him.
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I agree. To me there's not much difference between Clinkeroth owning fodder and Mario/Samus/Crono doing so.
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Exactly.

Besides, Ceej can still make the bracket interesting with Clinkeroth in it... by introducing handicaps. <_<
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That would be awesomely awesome if there were percentage spreads on the matches...

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Precisely. He can even have percentage spreads as bonus points for all the matches. Or for those that complain that it's not fair since stats people would have an edge, simply have prizes bracketwise and by spreads.

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Spreads would be sweet...hell, not even for prizes if he didn't want to; just have it as a bonus side-game if he liked. Post the spread on the front page for the next day's match, click a link, and decide if it's over or under.
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Just curious, what is board 8's opinion about having Tails in another contest?
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Spreads would be awful. You'd get an underrated character (say, Tails in 2k4 for an example) beating the spread on a character like Link. No fun. Also, you'd be leaving the spreads up to to ceej, and he'd probably just base them off the brackets with little concern for actual performances (except in the obvious cases). Cloud wouldn't need 50.01% to beat Link, Seph wouldn't be able to win a match with less than 65% unless he faced the two aforementioned, and there would be a lot of undeserving upsets.
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Tails should be back. Shadow should not, btw.
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How about all of the top eight noble niners in one division just to avoid their dominance in the normal bracket?
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Shadow should definitely be back, especially with a new game out. Tails I can do without.

A gauntlet could still give us good chances to set up matches - have CATS/Freeman as 64/63, Dante/Kirby next to each other around the 20 mark (doesn't guarantee anything but it gives it the best chance), etc. You'd have the chance to set up a lot of potentially close matches regardless of which individual results happen.

And I got another top 10 listed, but not on the front page unfortunately.
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Bring Tails and Shadow both back, I figure. Tails has always been looked down upon contest-wise, and Shadow has reason to come back (though I don't care much for him).
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who cares about climaxes anyway?

Someone hasn't had sex in awhile. Or ever.

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"Dante/Kirby"

Heh, I knew this match would still be getting to people. Last year shold have taught you all a lesson, don't underestimate Kirby. He is clearly Nintendo's #4 lead (and it'll really show if they keep the quality of the Kirby games up). It doesn't mean much, but it's enough to put him over the majority of the field. Dante is no longer a match for him.
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Oh, and Shadow is lame. We don't need him.
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I don't like Shadow, but he needs to come back. He's strong enough to be competitive.
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I would still take Dante > Kirby despite last year.

I know nearly no one would agree with me on that, but meh, I don't care.

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I'm sure Lopen would side with you. After all, he's still convinced Dante could take Squall.
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I honestly believe Dante got SFF'd somewhat in that match, sure DMC/FF7 aren't really that closely related, but the two characters in the match have a similar enough character that I think Dante would perform much better against the likes of someone like Kirby.

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Heh, I knew this match would still be getting to people. Last year shold have taught you all a lesson, don't underestimate Kirby. He is clearly Nintendo's #4 lead (and it'll really show if they keep the quality of the Kirby games up). It doesn't mean much, but it's enough to put him over the majority of the field. Dante is no longer a match for him.

Indeed, even Vincent would be no match for Kirby.
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No 4? Where were you when Solid Snake proved that Kirby > Samus?

>_>

The 2005 X-stats are reliable until the opposite has been proved.
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Samus is still number 2... as long as she isn't facing a Ninty character.

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Man, why are people so quick to throw SFF on everything...?
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Because if a character we like don't do as good as he should then it's obvously SFF >_>

I still don't understand why everyone says that Zero got SFF'D by Mario, but he obviously didn't when he faced Megaman.
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Honestly, other than the "obvious" cases of SFF, the only matches I would bring into question are Snake/Sora and Tifa/Vyse.
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SFF doesn't have to be absolutely massive for it to occur, or have a significant difference.

Take Magus for instance... whether or not you want to call that SFF is up to you, but it's blatantly obvious that he performs quite differently on certain opponents.

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I agree that there are certain outside factors that can come into play, but I think we're sometimes too quick to call one. I honestly doubt there was much swing in a 54/46 match, personally.
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What do the percentages have to do with anything? And no matter what you want to call it, because quite frankly, I don't care what it's called, there will always be anomalies.

One of those being that Dante would perform much better on Kirby than he did on Vincent, so much to the point where he would defeat the pink puff.

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I've said I would take Kirby over Dante for the last 2 years, and I still stand by it. I don't see a reason for him to overperform.
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Neither do I, I just see a reason for him underperforming on Vincent.

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I mean, I could see the point where Dante wouldn't beat Squall or Vincent head-to-head due to intangibles if they were near equals (I argued this in the case of Tidus/Shadow), but I don't believe he really underperformed.
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But we have no idea if Dante is a near equal with Squall/Vincent thanks to losing to Vincent in what was his first appearance since DMC3. And even then he's only 2.6% lower than Vincent in the stats, 2% to Kirby.

And I for one think Kirby is overrated. I think he performed much better on Bowser than he should have, and that Bowser went on to perform much better on Snake than he should have. (lol pic factor)

So it's more of a combo of the two than Dante being that much stronger, or Kirby being that much weaker.

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I personally don't believe Kirby overperformed on Bowser. Maybe Bowser overperformed on Snake though.
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I'll say that I'm much more confident that Bowser overperformed on Snake than Kirby on Bowser, but regardless I think it's enough for Dante to best him.

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doesn't snake always underperform drastically on sprite rounds. i mean he clearly flattened sora in a way i doubt bowser could achieve.
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I don't think any of those performances are of the mark. At least not by much.

Face the facts, DMC3 couldn't have been great for Dante anyway. It sold less than DMC2, for god's sake, so it didn't really get his name out there. Fans of the first are probably the people who picked up the 3rd and they were very likely to have voted for Dante anyway.

Bowser really had no reason to over perform on Snake (pic factor is bs) and Kirby had little reson to overperform on Bowser, especially since his previous match with Tidus pointed him in that direction to begin with.
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