In fact, on second thought, I definitely would though I wouldn't take Ganon any higher than over Solid. Otherwise though (before TP, after MGS4, etc.), I'm gonna stick with saying it doesn't happen.
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I would take Post TP Ganon over Sonic's current value, myself.

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Who else here thinks Prince of Persia could be a decent mid-carder?
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Not only do you dislike Phoenix Wright, you think Prince of Persia could be decent.
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Ooh, excuse me from having an opinion you disagree with :P
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...Is there something wrong in thinking the Prince could be decent?

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Well, like how decent of a performance are ya'll expecting from him? I doubt I'd ever take him higher than KOS-MOS, and I'm thinkin' more along the lines of SFF'd(?)-Zidane than KOS-MOS.
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Guys, I just thought of a possible contest-variation to our usual character-contests in the summer (one that has probably been mentioned before): instead of a bracket of 64, what about a gauntlet of 64 (or, as I would hope, 76 so we could have 75 matches)? Have the Noble Nine be at the very end, fodder matches at the beginning, and very gradually move up from there. We could see all sorts of matches, have fodder characters be in more than one match...and adjusting for SFF could be fun, too, heh. It could also be a nice change of pace, too.

Thoughts?
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Guys, I just thought of a possible contest-variation to our usual character-contests in the summer (one that has probably been mentioned before): instead of a bracket of 64, what about a gauntlet of 64 (or, as I would hope, 76 so we could have 75 matches)? Have the Noble Nine be at the very end, fodder matches at the beginning, and very gradually move up from there. We could see all sorts of matches, have fodder characters be in more than one match...and adjusting for SFF could be fun, too, heh. It could also be a nice change of pace, too.

Brilliant idea...until you hit someone like 10-seeded Vincent. If it were done well, though, it could be incredibly awesome.
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That'd be a time I'd hope CJay used a lil' judgment, heh.

You know what would be fun for such a gauntlet? Have CATS in the first match and then build up the opponents from there. Afterall, CJay never fails to make CATS be the lowest seed in summer contests (besides 2k2, of course). =)
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How many nominations does it tend to take to get into the contest? I know 2k5 closed pretty early, thus B8ers got more input (lol KoaC) but I'm just wondering about old Jay Solano. I mean, he's got over 120 people saying they'll nominate him... o.o


Also, 60+ for the Midgar Zolom. Wow.
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If all 120+ actually nominate him, old Jay should be a sure bet.
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Guys, I just thought of a possible contest-variation to our usual character-contests in the summer (one that has probably been mentioned before): instead of a bracket of 64, what about a gauntlet of 64 (or, as I would hope, 76 so we could have 75 matches)? Have the Noble Nine be at the very end, fodder matches at the beginning, and very gradually move up from there. We could see all sorts of matches, have fodder characters be in more than one match...and adjusting for SFF could be fun, too, heh. It could also be a nice change of pace, too.

Thoughts?

I have to admit, I don't like the idea that much. It's too easy to imagine a situation where one character is in 10+ matches in a row, which would be pretty boring. Plus, the most popular characters would only get to be in one or two matches each.
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It's too easy to imagine a situation where one character is in 10+ matches in a row, which would be pretty boring.

An understandable fear, but as long as the chain of opponents is a somewhat-accurate gradual rise, it'd be very hard to imagine somebody winning 5+ matches. You wouldn't want it to be exactly right anyways, but with a little bit of care it would be pretty easy to prevent 5+ wins. Besides, let somebody who's probably been SFF'd before (say, Zidane) get into a stretch with three newcomers (for example, PoP --> Mewtwo --> Locke), somebody who's been behind SFF before (Protoman), and somebody that'd be at Zidane's peak or is generally over-rated (Kefka fits both)...and there's gonna be alot of discussion and wrong picks. If nothing else, sometimes half the fun is seeing who's gonna stop somebody (Starcraft, Frog)...and this type of method would most likely see to it that there were no blow-outs, either; you would see more close matches in this contest than probably any other.


Plus, the most popular characters would only get to be in one or two matches each.

The ToC worked fine for many people, and the ones who opposed it went against its concept since it essentially excluded them from the main part of the contest. This gauntlet wouldn't do that; it only places them towards the end because they earned it, but are still in the main contest as much as any other character. Besides, Solid Snake could be a lil' fun with having more than two matches.
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I agree there are some good points to it, like almost everyone having a chance to win a match. But I don't really have faith in CJayC seeding it correctly - all it takes is one mistake to really mess things up. I wouldn't mind seeing an alternate contest done that way, but I think I prefer the traditional single elimination tournament for the Character Battle. One of the things I like about that style is seeing characters show their stuff in the early rounds, and trying to figure out who has the advantage going into later matches.
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Eh, it's a decent idea, but I don't think it could be pulled off effectively.
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I don't dislike Phoenix Wright, I just think it's an average game that gets blown up by this board.

And obviously I think PoP could be a mid-carder, leaning towards the lower end of that scale though.


As for the gauntlet idea, meh, maybe if we got to put the thing together, but I don't really have much faith in Ceej making it so it doesn't get completely ****ed up.

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The gauntlet idea could work, but I'd like the new ideas strictly for the spring contests (and if they are a success, perhaps implement them in the summer contest). I even detested the ToC idea (good effort by Cjay though).

The big guys would, again, get the shaft in such a contest (from the fan point of view).
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I don't really like the idea of a ToC, but at the same time removing Clinkeroth made the contest much more intresting... at least I thought so.

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I don't see why people dislike the ToC. It served a multitude or purposes (increased challenge, quited the whiners, still gave Cloud, Link and Seph matches) and, at least for last year, was nothing but beneficial to the contest. That's not to say I would suggest doing it again soon (maybe after we've had another legitimate champion that somehow slugs through Link and Cloud, lol), but I can't see it as bad in any way.
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Yeah, there's definitely pros and cons to each stance.

I might try to make a test-gauntlet here soon to see what kind of reception it would get.....
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That's pretty much my thoughts on the matter, I would just hate to see Mario get added to it.

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Mario hasn't really been a champion of anything yet though. He won a spot in the ToC, but he wasn't exactly the best of a particular category. Link and Cloud have been overall champs before, and Sephiroth has proven to be champion of the Villains. Mario was champion over the people who were never champions...

...that's a big enough difference for me to not include him in a ToC.
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Well if Ceej looked at it that way I would like the ToC to remain in place.

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The ToC has some fundamental flaws.

Where does it end? Does it remain clinkeroth? That's really gonna piss off their fans after a while. Adding winners each year is even worse though, the main contest bracket would suck shortly.

The other thing I loathed is the unhyped final. It just like, happens (the ToC final, that is). There are no matches leading up to it, there are no comparisons about the finalists to be made.
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...plus it lets 3 extra characters into the contest, even if they are pretty much guaranteed 1st round loses.

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The other thing I loathed is the unhyped final. It just like, happens (the ToC final, that is). There are no matches leading up to it, there are no comparisons about the finalists to be made.

Well that's because Link and Cloud should be on opposite ends of it.

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...plus it lets 3 extra characters into the contest, even if they are pretty much guaranteed 1st round loses.

Heh, somebody has to lose in the first round anyways...so hey, it happens. Extra characters is good though, I know we agree on this.

Which brings me back the the gauntlet idea.....
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Also, the one thing I dislike about the ToC is that it more or less guarantees I'll never be able to see a Samus/Seph match. Granted I think Seph would win, but I think Samus could make it more interesting than Mario did. I'm still a firm believer that Samus is stronger than Mario, unless he's going up against a Ninty character.

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I just can't see any possible way that the gauntlet could be implemented effectively. There's really no way around it. Plus, we would have to sludge through about two weeks straight of fodder matches, which is no fun at all.
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Well, either two straight weeks of fodder, or a long period of time of an underseeded character putting a hurting on fodder, one of the two.
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I don't know, Kuja/MH was pretty goddamn fun. >_>

Okay, so that's the exception, but meh, it has potential. It's not like Fodder/Noble 9 matches are all that interesting either.

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"Where does it end?"

I think pretty much everyone agrees: 2k5

"The other thing I loathed is the unhyped final."

The final was Mario vs. Crono. The ToC matches were bonus matches. they don't need to be hyped because not only are they extra matches but they have the biggest name characters in them.

"Well that's because Link and Cloud should be on opposite ends of it."

Unless you want more bang for your buck, as it were. That set up gave what some people would have considered two hard to predict matches (I remember a lot of people actually took Seph to win it all) instead of 1.
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Unless you want more bang for your buck, as it were. That set up gave what some people would have considered two hard to predict matches (I remember a lot of people actually took Seph to win it all) instead of 1.

True enough, if Samus had ended up beating Mario, I would have been a lot more excited for Seph/Samus.

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I agree. Putting Cloud and Link in the first match made the ToC more unpredictable. You were practically asking for the winner of the main bracket to take the beating of a lifetime setting him up against Link or Cloud right away, and we knew Sephy wasn't beating one of them either. Plus, people thought Sephiroth was vulnerable after his lackluster Villains Contest win.
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Yeah, I went back and forth over Seph/05 Winner a few times, granted I thought Samus would get there, and in the end I knew I just wanted someone to beat Seph more than anything else, but still.

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Fodder, yes, but fodder-versus-fodder matches usually seem to be weird and interesting anyways. Plus, as it was already mentioned, Kuja/MH was pretty awesome. =)
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What made it even more awesome was the fact that everyone was castrating me over picking MH.

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Hey, I know how that felt too, heh. In fact, I think they were trying to recastrate me after awhile...

...heh, besides thinking MH would win (as well as being pretty close on the spread) and Kuja would be a bust, I got practically EVERYTHING else about that match wrong.
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I think pretty much everyone agrees: 2k5

Obviously not everyone, because the idea is still being brought up for implementing.

The final was Mario vs. Crono. The ToC matches were bonus matches. they don't need to be hyped because not only are they extra matches but they have the biggest name characters in them.

Like I said, the ToC final, that is.

Anyway, I don't really see it that way. Mario-Crono's hype doesn't come close to Link-Cloud (in a normal contest environment). That final was crap IMO.
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If it were anything like MvC 1 or 2 you'd be singing a different tune. Oh and, pretty much everyone =/= everyone. Seriously.

BTW, as I was trying to say, the ToC just didn't need hype. It didn't need any building suspense. It was a very small portion of the tournament only devised so as to make the greatest number of people happy with the contest at once as possible. Some people *ahem* will ***** and complain about everything, though.
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If it were anything like MvC 1 or 2 you'd be singing a different tune. Oh and, pretty much everyone =/= everyone. Seriously.

Pretty much everyone? As far as I'm concerned, there are almost equal pro-people as there are con..


BTW, as I was trying to say, the ToC just didn't need hype. It didn't need any building suspense. It was a very small portion of the tournament only devised so as to make the greatest number of people happy with the contest at once as possible. Some people *ahem* will ***** and complain about everything, though.

How am I complaining? I complemented Cjay on his efforts, I just preferred the regular contest. What the hell is your problem? God.
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I had only to go as far back as the last sentance of your last post. "That final was crap IMO." Sounds like a complaint to me, especially sicne it was preceeded by a lot of other noise about things you didn't seem to like. I've yet to see a compliment, however, but it may just be my lack of observation. Feel free to bring up any counter-points, if you wish.
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I had only to go as far back as the last sentance of your last post. "That final was crap IMO." Sounds like a complaint to me, especially sicne it was preceeded by a lot of other noise about things you didn't seem to like. I've yet to see a compliment, however, but it may just be my lack of observation. Feel free to bring up any counter-points, if you wish.

I'm not really complaining, just stating my opinion. I'm certainly not blaming Cjay for anything, I know he was just trying to satisfy everyone.


The gauntlet idea could work, but I'd like the new ideas strictly for the spring contests (and if they are a success, perhaps implement them in the summer contest). I even detested the ToC idea (good effort by Cjay though).

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It's in parenthesis, it's invisible.
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It's in parenthesis, it's invisible.

>_>
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I was a fan of the ToC, myself, and I hope to see it implemented one more time before the big three are allowed in the main bracket again.
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