Snake > Ganondorf forever and always.

He never has and never will, at least outside of a contest setting. Luckily, that'll be changing within the contest soon!

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The day Ganondorf beats Snake in a contest setting is the day I die in every way possible.

Thankfully, it won't happen.
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Better get ready for that grim outcome because it's happening when the next character start contest!!

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It could probably happen after Twilight Princess, and with ease -- but I'd pick Ganon to win the match now if the picture wasn't such a large part of the outcome. I think Ganon could beat Snake in a sprite round, but Snake could beat Ganon if the two had their best pictures a la Snake/Sora.

Standard Ganon versus Melting Snake however would be tough for me to call.

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A question: what is the general consensus concerning which game will help more--TP for Ganon, or MGS4 for Snake?

If Ganon's role in the game is as great as Nintendo has given hint to, I would say him. Otherwise, I think it's pretty tough to call there.

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I'd say Ganon. Twilight Princess is going to sell millions, so all he really has to do is appear with a cool look. MGS4 will help Snake, but not as much, considering he'll be an old man and all. >_>
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For the record, MGS4 Snake looks cooler than any of his other younger looks. That's right, sir's.

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TP for the mere fact that there are more Zelda fans on this site, although the MGS fanbase is no slouch. For as much as this game is being hyped, nearly every Gamecube owner will be after this game.

With Snake and MGS4, it depends on how big the PS3 launch is, and how close MGS4 is released to that launch. If they are going to use Snake as the pseudo-PS3 face like they did with the unveiling of MGS4, then Snake would definitely be getting a boost. The only thing is the whole Snake turning old thing. Although it probably won't be as controversial as Celda, it still may be a slight factor. <_<
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But hell, what do I know? Revolver Ocelot is old and people worship him...
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I thought Ocelot performed oddly in the Villains battle...

Old Man vs Nemesis - Severely underperformed to expectations

Young Man vs Dr. Wily - Overperformed to expectations

Old Man vs Bowser - Underperformed to expectations

Coincidence?
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I think MGS4 will help Snake more than TP helps Ganon, considering that Snake is the main character and Ganon isn't. Plus, this site is already saturated with Nintendo fans, which makes it harder for Ganon to gain a lot of ground. Last but not least, there's the fact that Snake is cool and Ganon isn't.
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Just to fulfill the standard (and I think correct >_>) role of "the picture doesn't matter"...the picture doesn't matter all that much. All of those incarnations of snake would probably do the same, and I don't care to flesh this out with...say...evidence. Just had to make sure the side was represented.


And Bowser should beat Ganondorf; he's just better. It would be a good match, I think. Plus, the Zelda fanbase deserted Ganon more than the Mario fanbase deserted Bowser.

Bowser 29.35% 23302
Mario 70.65% 56098
TOTAL VOTES 79400

Link 87.9% 77295
Ganondorf 12.1% 10640
TOTAL VOTES 87935

Then again, Link is stronger than Mario, so maybe these results aren't as telling as they could be. Bowser/Ganon definitely isn't a match not worth having; I would rather have Bowser/Ganon than the Sonic/Mario people are always calling for.
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In a direct match, I'd take Bowser or Zelda over Ganondorf.
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I would vote Zelda, but I don't know if I would take her.
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Take Zelda over Ganondorf? No way in hell.
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I would never even consider taking Bowser or Zelda over Ganon after Twilight Princess. Those matches wouldn't even be close.

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...huh. Personally, I couldn't see Ganon getting the kind of boost from TP that Snake could from MGS4. Yeah, Twilight Princess will be huge--but still, it's Ganon. Unless he features *really* prominently in the game (and to Ninty's credit, they have been touting such prominence), I don't see him even touching a post-MGS4 Snake.

The last time Snake was playable in a proper MGS game was MGS2. And most people probably played as him for around 30-60 minutes before changing to Raiden for the remainder of the game. The last time Snake was a MAIN playable character was in MGS, which was released in '98. Both of these games were part of his intrinsic strength in 2002--and most would probably agree that the bulk of Snake's strength came from MGS. He had no real notable releases for 2003, and only the low-selling TTS for 2004, where he was quite unimpressive. And stats be damned, I think there's a good chance that his 2k3 incarnation is weaker than his 2k2 one. His biggest boost came in 2k5 from MGS3...a game in which he did not appear.

In other words, not only has Snake not been a main playable character since '98, but he'll be one in a flagship title for the PS3. Yeah, TP > MGS4, but does being the villain in TP > being the hero of MGS4? I'm inclined to say no.

SFF, baby. Zelda would take him without too much effort.

I would never even consider taking Bowser or Zelda over Ganon after Twilight Princess. Those matches wouldn't even be close.

We've already seen sexy TP Zelda pictures where she is brandishing a sword. She will probably fight in this game. With a sword. You're darn right it wouldn't be close.
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SFF, baby. Zelda would take him without too much effort.

Zelda won't be SFFing anyone by the name of Ganon.

We've already seen sexy TP Zelda pictures where she is brandishing a sword. She will probably fight in this game. With a sword. You're darn right it wouldn't be close.

She can fight all she wants to, she still is not going to compare to just what Ganon is going to have in store for her and Link and Hyrule as a whole in this game. It may just be speculation on my part, but Ganon's going to go so far as to kill the main hero and win Hyrule by the end of the game.

Even if I'm wrong on the fine details, there's a reason Nintendo has been very quiet on Ganon for this game. Releasing much of anything is going to give away their huge surprise for the game. What people remember from Twilight Princess is going to be the King of Evil, I'll guarantee it. =p

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...huh. Personally, I couldn't see Ganon getting the kind of boost from TP that Snake could from MGS4. Yeah, Twilight Princess will be huge--but still, it's Ganon. Unless he features *really* prominently in the game (and to Ninty's credit, they have been touting such prominence), I don't see him even touching a post-MGS4 Snake.

I see Ganon touching a lot more than post-MGS4 Snake after Twilight Princess. Again, there's a reason Nintendo hasn't been open to calling out Ganon's name and showing all sorts of artwork and screenshots with him in it. His role in Twilight Princess is going to exceed any in terms of prominence that he's had. I'll go so far as to say that Ganon is going to be the most remembered character from the game, should what I pieced together actually come true.

At any rate, I believe Ganon has more room to see an improvement. I think this'll be the game that really gains him fans that aren't simply voting based on him being related to Zelda. Much like how Bowser has managed to separate himself from just being in Mario games.

Yeah, TP > MGS4, but does being the villain in TP > being the hero of MGS4? I'm inclined to say no.

For now, I'll say yes to that, partner. =p

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May I ask, HM, what you've pieced together?
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We've already seen sexy TP Zelda pictures where she is brandishing a sword. She will probably fight in this game. With a sword. You're darn right it wouldn't be close.

I couldn't have said it better myself. If Zelda-with-a-sword is playable in TP, she could very well double Ganon.

It may just be speculation on my part, but Ganon's going to go so far as to kill the main hero and win Hyrule by the end of the game.

Uh... okay. Whatever Ganon does during the game, we know it will end with him getting his ass kicked.
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I couldn't have said it better myself. If Zelda-with-a-sword is playable in TP, she could very well double Ganon.

Double? There is no way Zelda is ever doubling Ganon.

Uh... okay. Whatever Ganon does during the game, we know it will end with him getting his ass kicked.

Not by any stretch of the imagination is that the case. I think its more likely that we see Ganon doing the ass kicking than him getting his ass kicked. I find it extremely likely this game takes place during the time that Ganon breaks free from the Sacred Realm -- during the introduction of TWW. TP is decades after OoT and before TWW. So with everything Nintendo has told you and knowing that, I think it's easy to see the idea that Ganon winning is becoming more likely as we go.

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I'd just like to point out that this recent discussion is infinitely more pertinent to Summer 2007 than it is to this year's contest. It's doubtful that Twilight Princess will be out before October.
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If there's nothing about Twilight Princess at D.I.C.E. on February 9th, I'll agree with you. Reggie's giving a keynote speech then, just for the record.

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If Zelda is playable, she could defeat Ganon -- but it would be difficult. We already know that the main villain of FF7 cannot be defeated by anyone else in the game other than Cloud, and plenty of other characters are playable.

From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 1/25/2006 9:34:59 PM | Message Detail | #405
A question: what is the general consensus concerning which game will help more--TP for Ganon, or MGS4 for Snake?

Snake has more potential, but Ganon has more of a guaranteed boost forthcoming.

If Konami and Sony make Solid Snake the face of the PS3, Snake will get a massive boost that could put him on par with where Crash Bandicoot and Lara Croft were during the early PSX days and get him on par with Mario/Samus/Crono. Factor in an FF7 remake (you all know it's coming), and the PS3 could dominate the next generation even if the hardware is an overpriced piece of garbage.

And knowing Sony, it will be.

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If Zelda is playable, she could defeat Ganon -- but it would be difficult. We already know that the main villain of FF7 cannot be defeated by anyone else in the game other than Cloud, and plenty of other characters are playable.

That's true for Sephiroth, but that doesn't mean it's true for Ganondorf. For numerous reasons Sephiroth is closer to his hero in strength than any other villain. I'd never take Sin (or Seymour) over Yuna, for example.
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And if things go well, Ganon will have his own reasons for being able a potentially playable Zelda.

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True, Sephy is a special case.

Currently, I'd take Ganon over Zelda. After TP... well, we'll have to see what kind of game it is.

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i think a big part of this is going to have to do with the price of the ps3. If its as expensive as the rumors say, it wont matter if snake is the face of the ps3 because no one but the wealthy will own one.
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I think Zelda would beat Ganondorf. She would most likely get some SFF against him and it's not like the two are that far apart to begin with. If she is playable in TP, forget it. I don't care if Ganondorf kills Link in cold blood or what. A badass sword wielding playable Zelda would SFF him into the ground.

this is all rumour at this point. no one has any idea what kind of game TP is, if it's going to be good or what, etc.

as for as who has the most potential for an increase, I say Snake. you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who hasn't played a Zelda game, but there are people who haven't played a MGS game. if that's the "killer app" for the PS3, there's no doubt that Snake benefits more than Ganon.
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 1/25/2006 10:13:11 PM | Message Detail
If Zelda is playable, she could defeat Ganon -- but it would be difficult. We already know that the main villain of FF7 cannot be defeated by anyone else in the game other than Cloud, and plenty of other characters are playable.

I'm inclined to think Sephiroth/Aeris is the only possible match where Sephy would break 90%.

Anyway, Ganon will always beat Zelda in a match, and if his role is as big as you all are saying, he could take down Sonic or Mega Man (just like on Ulti's site).
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I'll say this much: if there is a Ganon/Zelda match before Twilight Princess, Zelda would have a greater chance of hitting 60% than actually losing.
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I will, once again, completely disagree with that. I would never even entertain the idea of taking Zelda in a match against Ganon. I cannot possibly imagine her getting SFF in such a match.

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I'm inclined to think Sephiroth/Aeris is the only possible match where Sephy would break 90%.

There's no way in hell that would happen. Link couldn't get Ganondorf under 10%, Sephiroth's no Link, and Aeris would be way more SFF resistant than Ganondorf. I highly doubt Seph would break 75% in that match.
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I'm inclined to think Sephiroth/Aeris is the only possible match where Sephy would break 90%.

Sephiroth vs. Edward...

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Not to mention that there are a lot of Aeris fans who hate Sephiroth...for whatever reason. <_< Nah, Sephy has enough trouble getting SFF as it is, he wouldn't come close to 90%.

I would enjoy seeing Seph/Aeris, and not even for a comical reason. it's more curiosity than anything else.
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Speaking of TP, do have any proof if Ganondorf even is in that game, I would be really happy if Nintendo ditched him and only had the big evil blue pig Ganon.


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but Ganon's going to go so far as to kill the main hero and win Hyrule by the end of the game.

You mean game over? >_>
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Ganon killing Link = Major decrease for him

Angry, angry fanboys.

...Maybe.
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Sephiroth/Aeris would be fun...imagine all the moderations, heh.
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Speaking of TP, do have any proof if Ganondorf even is in that game, I would be really happy if Nintendo ditched him and only had the big evil blue pig Ganon.

Ganon and Ganondorf are the same character. The names are interchangeable, as they refer to the same overall being. The pig demon form can be called Ganondorf or Ganon, as the human form can be called Ganondorf or Ganon. At any rate, in the interview Oyama says that, and I quote...

"Finally, no discussion of Twilight Princess's enemies can end without mentioning Ganon. I know everyone's wondering what's going on with Link's old nemesis. All I can say now is, we're preparing more than you could possibly ever, ever, ever expect... stay tuned for more details."

You mean game over?

Indeed. =p

Ganon killing Link = Major decrease for him

I'm feeling something more along the lines of "major increase."

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I'd love to see Ganon be incredibly bad-ass. He's alright in my book as-is; he'll get my vote alot of times...but I want a reason to fear the son of a *****, so hopefully HM's onto something other than fanboyism about this. =P
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The King of Evil will live up to his name -- guaranteed!

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They made something out of Ganondorf in Wind Waker - now's the perfect opportunity to build on that. I am dying of anticipation.
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Ganondorf was truly at his best in Wind Waker. I voted him over Link simply because of how dynamic his role was in that game.