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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 275
From: kungfu chicken | Posted: 1/24/2006 11:28:03 AM | Message Detail
keep in mind that mega man just had the mmx collection and has two upcoming psp games.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 1/24/2006 11:29:07 AM | Message Detail
I did. Still takin' Sonic in a close one.
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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 1/24/2006 11:46:39 AM | Message Detail
"and if MM:AC couldn't help his case when it was released in June 2k4"

How would we know? It's clear that his performance against Link was a fluke, he did better against Snake than in 2k3 his performance agaisnt Zero was underwhelming (but it was a weird sort of match anyway) and he stomped Tidus into the ground. Maybe MMAC was actually a huge boon and you just can't see it because two matches went weird (who didn't expect a Zero overperformance though, really? That was more MM vs. MMX than MM vs Zero).
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 1/24/2006 11:59:16 AM | Message Detail
We know because of how Solid Snake that year; outside of Tanner, he did NOTHING to show he was a Noble Nine member. I'll leave Mega Man/Zero alone because that one was weird no matter the outlook, and I'll even leave Link/Mega Man alone due to the circumstances (though IF MM:AC helped him I would have hated to see this match without it)...but I understand that Kirby/Tidus is predicted almost exactly correct when using a static Mega Man, it brings Shadow back down to earth, and EWJ doesn't look out-of-place. I will have a hard time believing MM:AC helped Mega Man gain in 2k4.
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From: Big Bob | Posted: 1/24/2006 2:38:47 PM | Message Detail
When I was making that, I was trying to think of characters that were likely to get nominated, as well as what their seeding would be. As weak as Vyse and KoAC are, I don't doubt that they'd return next contest. Same goes for CATS.

My focus was trying to make a bracket that was hard to predict, and entertaining at the same time. There are many obvious setups (Zelda/Squall, Sonic/Snake, Vincent/Bowser), and a few upset possibilities (assuming TP is released before the contest, Ganon/Mega Man). I kept a few contest traditions (Sonic/Nightmare, Knuckles/Serge, Crono/Luigi...maybe) while also giving matches that board 8 would like to see (Kirby/Dante). I know it's not perfect, but I think I did a hell of a job.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 1/24/2006 2:53:31 PM | Message Detail
I wouldn't mind Crono/Sephiroth one bit. Even though we all know who will win, it's still nice to know how certain characters stand up. Hell, I'd like to see Solid Snake go up against Link or Cloud. He's the only member of the Noble Nine NOT to have faced one of the two.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 1/24/2006 3:36:17 PM | Message Detail
Hell, he hasn't faced Sephiroth either.
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From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 1/24/2006 3:53:26 PM | Message Detail
If Ganon did have a prominent role in TP, maybe snake would be a possibility...

And this is more random, but someone had mentioned Ryu getting a boost from doa was it?, when did ninja gaiden black come out, because that seems to be well received, too.
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From: Kaxon | Posted: 1/24/2006 4:05:33 PM | Message Detail
The noble nine matchup I'm most interested in is probably Sonic/Snake. Even though Sonic looks stronger, I don't think it's a lock. Of course, Sonic/Mario would be fun... I could see anything from reverse SFF to regular SFF happening in that match. You'd think it would be closer than Mario/Shadow, but then again, that match was almost 3 years ago.
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From: kungfu chicken | Posted: 1/24/2006 4:22:26 PM | Message Detail
there would be all kinds of factors in a sonic mario match. sega is like nintendos step child now
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 1/24/2006 5:08:06 PM | Message Detail
keep in mind that mega man just had the mmx collection and has two upcoming psp games.

Call me crazy, but something like that might be enough for Mega Man to...WIN IT ALL IN 2006!
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 1/24/2006 6:11:59 PM | Message Detail
I don't think Sonic/Snake would be in doubt. Sonic proved that he is right on the heels of Mega Man and Mega Man has already proven that he is a class above Snake. And even though Bowser had an edge against Snake, I can't see him getting that close to Sonic.

All the Snake > Sonic talk came from the days when the 2k3 X-stats were the GameFAQs bible and everyone judge characters solely on how they went out while ignoring other matches (Sonic, Bowser, Magus, etc). I guarantee you that Sora will get the same treatment by some people during the next contest...
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 1/24/2006 7:18:58 PM | Message Detail
If Ganon did have a prominent role in TP, maybe snake would be a possibility...

Luckily, the King of Evil is supposed to be huge in Twilight Princess, according to Nintendo! Pfft. You take your Mega Man's and your Samus's, the winner of 2006 without that cast of Link is clearly The King of Evil himself!!

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From: Big Bob | Posted: 1/24/2006 7:22:21 PM | Message Detail
Phew, I'm not crazy. I'm not alone in thinking Ganondorf has a chance at getting the championship crown thanks to TP.

It's a slim chance, but it's still there.
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 1/24/2006 7:26:56 PM | Message Detail
Actually, it's not. I'll concede a slim chance to outperform Bowser (in his match against Snake), but not much more.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 1/24/2006 7:27:39 PM | Message Detail
There's plenty of reason to want to perhaps lowball Sora's strength. Sure, the match with Snake is just ONE thing, but both he and Alucard underperformed relative to the board's expectations against Kratos and Agent 47. And it's not exactly like Alucard's adjusted 2k4 ranking is...well, legitimate at all. Honestly, while I'd still adjust him, it's not like I don't have my doubts.

And no one's really going to be underestimating Sora this year, anyway, thanks to KH2. He'll be a wildcard, plain and simple.
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 1/24/2006 7:28:51 PM | Message Detail
Pfft. I'll guarantee he'd outperform Bowser by taking care of Snake without trouble.

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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 1/24/2006 7:31:37 PM | Message Detail
Solid **** vs. Bacondorf? I'll take Snake. 3-D pictures of both? I'll take Snake.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 1/24/2006 7:33:18 PM | Message Detail
Post-TP Ganondorf v. pre-MGS4 Snake? I don't think much of Ganon anymore, but I'd still have to give him the edge in that matchup.
From: kungfu chicken | Posted: 1/24/2006 9:08:38 PM | Message Detail
depends how big the hype for ps3 and mgs4 is by the time tp comes out. plus the new version of mgs3 could give him a boost.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 1/24/2006 9:16:55 PM | Message Detail
I'd be tempted to take Ganon over Bowser already, you better believe I'll take him over Bowser after TP (and, therefore, almost-certainly Solid).
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 1/24/2006 9:20:55 PM | Message Detail
We need a killer next-gen Mario game with an amazing Bowser boss fight now. I'm tired of hearing about TP...
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From: EclecticCowbell | Posted: 1/24/2006 9:24:04 PM | Message Detail
Amen!

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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 1/24/2006 9:29:48 PM | Message Detail
I'll second that. There's not been an awesome Bowser fight in a true Mario game since...what, SMW?
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From: EclecticCowbell | Posted: 1/24/2006 9:30:58 PM | Message Detail
Something like that...

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From: EclecticCowbell | Posted: 1/24/2006 9:31:39 PM | Message Detail
For some reason the SM64 battles feel epic to me... even though they weren't even close to being so, I don't know why.

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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 1/24/2006 9:34:31 PM | Message Detail
Epic in the sense that "GOD, THIS IS AT LLEEAASSTT THE FIFTH TIME I'VE HAD TO LIFT HIS ASS OFF THE GROUND AND SPIN HIM LIKE THE GAME'S NAME IS MARIO PARTY...





...****!!! I MISSED THE ****ING BOMB!!!!!"
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 1/24/2006 9:34:48 PM | Message Detail
The SM64 Bowser fights are great. Cool concept, that badass music, and Bowser looked much better than Mario in 3D.
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From: EclecticCowbell | Posted: 1/24/2006 9:36:04 PM | Message Detail
The music did reek of awesomeness.

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From: therealmnm | Posted: 1/24/2006 9:36:05 PM | Message Detail
Hell we haven't even seen a standard Mario game in almost 4 years!

Damn.... this generation is damn near 6 years old! Does it even seem like it's been that long? Why did the 16-bit era's 6 years feel more like 10? Same with the PS1...
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From: EclecticCowbell | Posted: 1/24/2006 9:36:45 PM | Message Detail
I can't believe this gen has been 6 years long... honestly it feels like 3.

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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 1/24/2006 9:37:14 PM | Message Detail
Cool concept, yes, but each fight is so close to being the same fight. The boss fight isn't cool enough to get away with that.

I love the levels getting to him each time though.
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From: EclecticCowbell | Posted: 1/24/2006 9:38:07 PM | Message Detail
Well that's because SM64 is the 4th greatest game ever made.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 1/24/2006 9:40:27 PM | Message Detail
The SM64 Bowser fights are great. Cool concept, that badass music, and Bowser looked much better than Mario in 3D.

Those SM64 Bowser battles were not great. They were pretty much made to flaunt the 3D engine. It's like they were saying "Look! Bowser's big, badass, and in 3D! And you can run around him and spin him in circles!" It's just that the 3D concept was so jaw-dropping back then that people (myself included) just soaked everything in. In retrospect, SM64 was pretty average at best. The great thing about the game is the physical control you had over Mario. That's about it.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 1/24/2006 9:44:28 PM | Message Detail
Oh yeah, the Bowser levels did indeed rock. They actually felt Mario-like with their design and heavy platforming elements. Unlike the rest of the game, which felt like "Mario visits Generic Level 'X'".
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 1/24/2006 9:48:50 PM | Message Detail
Hmm... good points all around. I concede; the actual gameplay during the fight was nothing special, but everything else, my goodness. So nice.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 1/24/2006 10:15:33 PM | Message Detail
Well that's because SM64 is the 2nd greatest game ever made.

Fixed, but I'll forgive you.
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From: Tai | Posted: 1/25/2006 4:37:56 AM | Message Detail
Oh yeah, the Bowser levels did indeed rock. They actually felt Mario-like with their design and heavy platforming elements. Unlike the rest of the game, which felt like "Mario visits Generic Level 'X'".


Couldn't have said it better myself. I couldn't get enough of those levels when I used to play the game over and over again. :-) I definitely hated going through the water, even in the original. WHO wants to do that?! D:
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From: NominateSerge | Posted: 1/25/2006 6:18:00 AM | Message Detail
Snake > Ganondorf forever and always.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 1/25/2006 7:39:03 AM | Message Detail
Obviously...but we're talkin' in terms of GameFAQs, not good taste.
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 1/25/2006 7:47:52 AM | Message Detail
Snake may indeed be > Ganondorf, but those two are > pretty much everyone else.
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 1/25/2006 8:57:54 AM | Message Detail
Ganondorf > Few

And I will always take Snake over Ganondorf in a contest setting, regardless.
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From: Applause Sign | Posted: 1/25/2006 9:40:46 AM | Message Detail
Leonhart, as usual is right.

We'll just ignore the whole "Tidus" thing.

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From: NominateSerge | Posted: 1/25/2006 10:00:00 AM | Message Detail
Why would you want to ignore that? Tidus IS one of the best (in terms of development, how well written he is, how dynamic he is, and his overall qualities) characters in a video game.

Everyone makes way too big of a deal out of everything he does. He doesn't whine as much as everyone says he does. The laughing scene isn't as bad as everyone says it is. And so on.
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From: Applause Sign | Posted: 1/25/2006 10:01:03 AM | Message Detail
How about just not liking his personality?

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From: therealmnm | Posted: 1/25/2006 10:02:16 AM | Message Detail
He's okay... I just didn't care for the game as a whole. Probably the PS1+ FF game I enjoyed the least.
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From: NominateSerge | Posted: 1/25/2006 10:17:08 AM | Message Detail
Tidus is just my type of character, but I suppose that's just me. I love the guy.
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From: Applause Sign | Posted: 1/25/2006 10:17:31 AM | Message Detail
...sexually?

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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 1/25/2006 12:47:16 PM | Message Detail
I don't see how Bowser vs Ganon is in debate at all. They faced the same character two days apart from one another, and any SFF would likely favor the Zelda series.

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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 1/25/2006 12:48:54 PM | Message Detail
lol marios the sff king

I can see how they're in debate, but it would be hard for me to go against Ganon's odds in that match.
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