Final Fantasy X would be one of them. This "common sense" you speak of should tell you this. Honestly, there's no way Kirby beats Auron nearly as badly as he beat Tidus.
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Yuna: "Stay with me until the end. Please."
Tidus: "Not until the end. Always."

Common sense... Tidus over Auron... meheheheh, your loss.

There's few exceptions (FFVI) and FFX isn't one of them.

Where in the world do you get that?
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Take a few things into consideration.

1) Tidus lost to a pink ball this year
2) Auron had similar numbers against Ganondorf. Would you take Kirby > Ganondorf?
3) Auron plays a role in KHII. If history repeats itself, he should see a major boost.
4) Even if Tidus is the lead, many people still dislike him. Even MMXC's site says that people who hate FFX still love Auron.

If you want to take the Xstats into consideration, consider this...

Bowser may have overperformed on Snake due to a picture advantage, boosting the Dream Division with him. Ganondorf suffered a touch of SFF against Samus, and this affected Auron as well.

(Granted, Kirby still rocks...)
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Aeris: I KNOW.

Auron's numbers weren't "similar." He did noticeably better. Tidus just got owned.
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Yuna: "Stay with me until the end. Please."
Tidus: "Not until the end. Always."

You're talking like these are taken for granted. I seriously doubt Samus is able to SFF anyone with the slightest bit of a fanbase if she gets lambasted like that by Mario, for one.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

I seriously doubt Samus is able to SFF anyone with the slightest bit of a fanbase if she gets lambasted like that by Mario, for one.

I never thought anyone would mention that considering she faced Ganondorf.
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Yuna: "Stay with me until the end. Please."
Tidus: "Not until the end. Always."

I'm not really sure what you mean by that, but I'll take a shot in the dark and mention that you're nuts if you think most people who vote for Ganondorf vote for Ganondorf. *expects smartass response*
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
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I knew I shouldn't have said Tidus/Auron, but I can't think of any other possibilities where rSFF could happen.
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OMG LLOYD OVER KARTOS LOLOLOL
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
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Main Character > Side Character

There's few exceptions (FFVI) and FFX isn't one of them.

And when we were first discussing the whole "Main Character > Side Character" thing, the name Auron kept coming up as one of the characters most likely to break it. If you want to choose Tidus over Auron, this is not the reason you want to do it for.
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Ike: ''Right... How did you--''

Main Character > Side Character

*sigh* Main characters aren't more popular BECAUSE they are main characters. It's usually because ya know, they are more liked as a character? Lloyd/Kratos?
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I've requested for this topic to be stickied.
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There's no reason to, really. Someone would have to go out of their way every time there's a new topic to sticky it, and it's not as useful as stickied topics on other boards. Now, if it was a Board 8 / contest FAQ or something like that, it'd be more worth it.

Oh, and by the way, Vivi too. I can't really see Zidane being stronger, although to be honest Vivi stunk it up big time this year.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
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Well that would be there decision seeming as they are a lead moderator.
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Would anyone consider to take Zidane over Vivi or Lloyd over Kratos?

I might take Lloyd, but not Zidane.
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Why would you take Lloyd? There's not a speck of evidence that suggests that Lloyd is more popular than Kratos, from fan polls to actual performance. Are you really that stuck on the main character thing?
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

If anything, Terra should have defused that myth.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Not really I just have a feeling that Lloyd might beat Kratos.
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"I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush

I personally like Lloyd, but there are plenty who don't. If there are Kratos detractors out there, they're certainly not very loud.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

I like Lloyd myself, and I personally don't care for Kratos at all, mainly because I think he's overrated. He probably would be okay to me if I wasn't force fed by the board about how great he is. Probably the main difference between him and Auron.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Auron and Kratos are equally propped up by the board. The difference between them is that Auron is lame while Kratos is awesome.

See, not everyone loves Auron. :p
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I like Kratos more than Lloyd but Lloyd is quite popular as well and could beat Kratos.
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One contest isn't enough to judge the strength of Lloyd and Kratos. Lloyd is hidden behind Mario/Zero SFF, but I think I'd still take Kratos over Lloyd.

(Gah, for not trusting the Xstats I still bring up SFF a lot...)
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Aeris: I KNOW.

Of course, there are many who prefer Lloyd to Kratos, myself included. But the general population of ToS fans prefer Kratos over Lloyd. And it's not like ToS is a highly popular mainstream game where Lloyd can benefit from being recognized as the main character. It's not like how people who haven't even played Chrono Trigger can still recognize Chrono as the main character of CT and may even be partial fans due to the big game name. It's that type of recognizability that draws in power to the main character in SFF matches.

With Lloyd/Kratos, that's not the case. The vast majority of those familiar with ToS are actually fans of the games. And the fans have shown that they prefer Kratos from any evidence from what we have seen. So the only thing that could bring Lloyd up is general appeal for those not familiar with the game. And out of Lloyd and Kratos, who do you think would pull in the votes due to casual appeal?

I'll tell you that Lloyd is no KOS-MOS...
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Lloyd would not beat Kratos, guaranteed. It just wouldn't happen. A close inspection of how the fanbase falls should tell you that.

And Presea > Auron > Kratos, yo.
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Yuna: "Stay with me until the end. Please."
Tidus: "Not until the end. Always."

One contest isn't enough to judge the strength of Lloyd and Kratos. Lloyd is hidden behind Mario/Zero SFF, but I think I'd still take Kratos over Lloyd.

True, they've only been in one contest each (in the same year)...so let's look at it like this: this year, Lloyd proved with two matches he's shockingly weak while Kratos proved with one he would make for a decent fodder line. Add to it therealmnm's post and a poll from Namco's website (I believe) showing Kratos > Lloyd in a poll of (all?) ToS's playable characters, and you have a tough case to make.

Also, don't treat Mario/Zero like it was riddled with SFF. If Zero has enough of a fanbase to prevent being SFF'd by Mega Man, Zero will only allow for minimal SFF against Mario...or Link for that matter, too.
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Why? He floats like a butterfly and stings like a...butterfly. Can't match grace like that.

Brother! I'm a whole different game from Liquid!

Er...Mario and Link are completely different games from Mega Man. While I doubt SFF was present in Mario/Zero, it wouldn't particularly surprise me. Yes, I know Mega Man and Zero are from the same series, but I could see why Zero could resist SFF there and not against Mario.
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Yuna: "Stay with me until the end. Please."
Tidus: "Not until the end. Always."

Yeah, a lil' wouldn't jar the foundations of my world...but only a minimal amount. Besides, aren't both Zero and Mega Man a lil' weaker this year than last year?
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Why? He floats like a butterfly and stings like a...butterfly. Can't match grace like that.

I don't think there was any SFF at all, there. Zero underperformed by similar amounts in all three of his matches, which would hint at a slight drop. Which isn't all that surprising, considering what Megaman did for himself.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

Side characters can't beat main characters?

I'm fairly sure that Kratos beats Lloyd, Ghaleon beats whoever the main character of the Lunar series is, Luca Blight beats Riou and Auron beats Tidus.

By the way, I'm scrapping updating the list you see in the RPGDL topic. There's really no point when creative's site has sortable tables that show the exact same thing.

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I think Mario would SFF Mega Man some (Link anybody?), so I don't see why he couldn't SFF Zero a tad. Nothing to go crazy over though. 1-2% maybe? Still not enough to defend Lloyd by.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

about SFF are there variant degrees of it? like console SFF and game SFF or company SFF?
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I think SFF exists mostly by console. People were saying that Squall/Geno was SFF, but I completely doubt that. Geno was in a Mario game on a Nintendo console, and Squall was in a FF game on a Sony console. They may be from the same company, but I doubt there was any SFF there.

Meanwhile, the bulk of Mega Man's popularity comes from the NES/SNES games, which also house the Nintendo characters, so it's not surprising that Mega Man SFF'd Yoshi. Different company, same console.
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Leo: Well, what do you think of the decal? It's a p-
Aeris: I KNOW.

Can anybody explain how Zelda avoided SFF against Mega Man, while Yoshi did not? My best guess is... the Mario series is more related than the LoZ series. Then I'll say Link SFFed Mega Man because Mega Man and LoZ are related to an extent...and due to the insane power of the Zelda series (or Link himself), Link actually managed to steal a few percentage points from Mega Man.

Well, that's the best I can come up with, anyway.

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I think SFF exists mostly by console. People were saying that Squall/Geno was SFF, but I completely doubt that. Geno was in a Mario game on a Nintendo console, and Squall was in a FF game on a Sony console. They may be from the same company, but I doubt there was any SFF there.

Don't forget different generations, too.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? He floats like a butterfly and stings like a...butterfly. Can't match grace like that.

Wouldn't generations be considered under different consoles?

As with generations, I think everyone thinks about the new Square/Old Square thing. One thing that always bugged me about that is people saying Chrono Trigger can't really SFF "New Square" due to it being on the SNES. However, wasn't it a consensus that Chrono Trigger has become more popular due to it being exposed more from emulation? Not to mention the Playstation remake...

I think there are a good amount of people who haven't played Chrono Trigger until after FFVII and the birth of "New Square", myself included. Of course it wouldn't be on the level of SFF between FFVII and FFVIII, but you can't deny that there is indeed a big fanbase overlap between Chrono Trigger and FFVII, at least when compared to other SNES Square RPGs.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Wouldn't generations be considered under different consoles?

Not necessarily; the PlayStation and N64/SNES and Genesis are different consoles but the same generation. The PlayStation and SNES aren't though.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? He floats like a butterfly and stings like a...butterfly. Can't match grace like that.

No, I meant that being in a different generation is a derivative of being on a different console. Being in a different generation automatically means that you are on a different console... the opposite is not true.

Although I forgot what my point of bringing that up was. I think that was just my math side bringing up a random point. <_<
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

wait, whats the purpose of this topic?
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 12/21/2005 12:07:50 PM | Message Detail | #384
Can anybody explain how Zelda avoided SFF against Mega Man, while Yoshi did not?

I'm guessing it has a lot to do with Yoshi's role in Nintendo's echelon. He may just be more prone to SFF than Zelda is, who knows. SFF is odd.

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I think Zelda did suffer SFF, didn't she gain a lot during the last contest?
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"I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush

i wonder how many people have played Loz games and mega man games compared to the number of those that played nario and mega man games.
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=25270375

You know you want to.

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omg ulti topix

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I've got 1337 karma today. Woo hoo.
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From: charmander6000 | Posted: 12/22/2005 1:33:32 AM | #391
I think Zelda did suffer SFF, didn't she gain a lot during the last contest?

If you're basing yourself on Snake, a lot less that she looked like after round 1. The guy who's on a meteoric rise every year is Ganondorf, like it or not. And Kirby, too, though that one's a different story.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

I'm wondering why CJayC insists on running numerous polls on MMORPGs when he knows that 50% of every one of them will be "I don't play them."
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Yuna: "Stay with me until the end. Please."
Tidus: "Not until the end. Always."

he's running out of ideas?
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Well, he can't really run the GOTY polls when the year isn't over, right?

Speaking of which, does anyone here have any doubt at all as to what will win?
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

dragon quest VIII?
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