(We already knew Frog was overrated, and if Magus, Tidus and Alucard has proved to be overrated, then why wouldn't Ganonforf also be it?)

You still have to have some kind of strength to blow out Frog like that. As far as Ganondorf is concerned, outperforming Bowser on Sephiroth and beating the hell out of Auron isn't proof enough of his strength? Unless you think Magus and Tidus would do the same against Ganondorf as they did in 2k3?
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

And to further add on to my last point about Ganondorf, look at Mario's rematch against Sephiroth compared to 2k3. Clearly, this is not 2k3.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Samus/Crono would be close. I'll take Samus, but I'd be surprised if Samus beat Crono worse than Mario did.
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Samus would win very easily.

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Cheer Up Emo Kids.

Wonder how there wasn't any loss of faith in Bowser and Ganondorf when they were SFFed, but now Samus suffers and people just kind of turn away, even when the two guys behind her had a dismal year compared to the standards they established.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
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Dismal year??? How so? Because their match-ups with Sephiroth? It's painfully clear that anything that went wrong in those matchups are all on Sephiroth!
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

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A lot of people lost faith in Ganondorf after Link obliterated him in 2k4, Bowser not so much. The belief that a strong character is nearly immune to SFF used to be a lot more popular.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

because one is SFF and one is rSFF. you actually think Samus would win 57-43 or whatever it projects to?

personally, I see Sonic and MM boosting up near Crono as opposed to Crono falling. considering the so-called Sonic and Nintendo boosts, that makes more sense to me.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 12/1/2005 1:28:06 PM | #406
Dismal year??? How so? Because their match-ups with Sephiroth? It's painfully clear that anything that went wrong in those matchups are all on Sephiroth!

Crono's never even faced Seph, and Megaman didn't since that KH debacle.

because one is SFF and one is rSFF. you actually think Samus would win 57-43 or whatever it projects to?

Against who? Could you be any less specific?

personally, I see Sonic and MM boosting up near Crono as opposed to Crono falling.

They're not mutually exclusive. Sonic boosted, and Crono and Mega had a slight proportional drop. It'd take a hell of a boost to get Sonic up to a static Megaman - heck, he boosted a lot already.

The much bigger question is, where he'll go from there, with a much raved about game and being featured in one that got universally dissed by professional reviewers (I'd rather wait until the immediate fallout is gone to judge how history will remember it, though).
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

Crono's never even faced Seph, and Megaman didn't since that KH debacle.

Oh, I thought you were referring to Bowser and Ganondorf when you said the two guys behind her. <_<
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Oh, then you were a lot more accurate than I gave you credit for... as long as that was sarcasm, which it looked like it was.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

i wonder how a post subsistence and MGA2 snake would fare on ganondorf.
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Ganon would have a handful with Snake as-is.

Just a quick question: who here takes Knuckles over Shadow head-to-head right now?
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Why? Sean Paul made a song about Jay, though nobody understands a damn word of it.

There's no question that I take Knux now. I might have last year, even -- I took Kirby over Tidus and would have considered Kirby/Knux a tough match.
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I would have considered Kirby/Knux a tough match - for all the wrong reasons, as it turns out. I would've probably given Kirby the slight edge regardless.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

Samus did better against Frog than Crono did against Magus, Crono would stand no chance. Even worse, Crono peaked in 2k4, and Samus has MPH coming out before next Summer. We've seen how much help the DS was in 2k4.

I should mention that the 3D Sonic games are apparently really popular in Europe. That could be behind Sonic's boost.

As for Knux vs. Shadow, it would be close...but Shadow just had a new game, which will also undoubtedly be very popular in Europe, and that game is enough to tip the balance.
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Even though he's in a downwards spiral?

Last I checked, staying constant or barely moving at all does not constitute a downward spiral.
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Yuna: "Stay with me until the end. Please."
Tidus: "Not until the end. Always."

I wouldn't have hesitated to put Kirby over Knux. So obvious! Knux/Tidus or Knux/Shadow would have given me fits, but Kirby beats them all with ease, everyone knows that.W

*Still can't believe Kirby was the underdog going into his match with Tidus*
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Knuckles/Yoshi would have been a close match with Yoshi having the small statistical advantage and the Nintendo > Sega mentality wouldn't have hurt him. Kirby's also been deceptively stronger than Yoshi the past two contests (maybe three? Not sure). Knuckles would have always kept it respectable with Kirby, but he wouldn't have beat him these past two contests.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Sean Paul made a song about Jay, though nobody understands a damn word of it.

Kirby > Yoshi > Tidus/Shadow/Knux is something I can believe. STH might change that a little, but at the worst I'd see it as Kirby > Yoshi/Shadow > Tidus/Knux and I'm having a hard tiem believing that, Tidus's 2k4 victory aside.
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i wonder if shadow got a big boost from his new game?
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But going down DOES constitute a downward spiral.

You'd be nuts to call what Crono did this year as awe-inspiring as last year.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

You'll forgive me if I don't buy that one of the worst reviewed "major" games this generation gave Shadow a boost. The game was received far worse than Sonic Heroes, which didn't help Shadow one bit, I might add.
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But last year was his only real standout performance. The two before it he did manage to stay close to Mario (cheat votes aside they were still very close together) and the one after it Mario went nuclear. That has nothing to do with Crono who looks as strong as, or nearly so, as always.
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But last year was his only real standout performance. The two before it he did manage to stay close to Mario (cheat votes aside they were still very close together) and the one after it Mario went nuclear. That has nothing to do with Crono who looks as strong as, or nearly so, as always.
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However, Crono had four matches we could draw conclusions from before the one with Mario. We all know what MC and Vincent have done, and while I'm ready to give Crono the benefit of the doubt, it's only to a certain extent. Then you have Vercetti and Megaman, who give Crono at his 2004 level... until you realize both almost dropped matches they shouldn't have even been in position to lose.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

But going down DOES constitute a downward spiral.

Except he didn't go down very much, if at all. A "downward spiral" implies that he went WAYYYY down, which he clearly did not.

You'd be nuts to call what Crono did this year as awe-inspiring as last year.

Eh, not his problem that his competition got boosted while he stayed relatively the same. Heck, I recall before SC2K5 that there were many who'd have called for Crono/Mega Man to be close and would have given the Blue Bomber the edge.
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Yuna: "Stay with me until the end. Please."
Tidus: "Not until the end. Always."

until you realize both almost dropped matches they shouldn't have even been in position to lose.

I don't think you're giving Sonic enough credit.
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Yuna: "Stay with me until the end. Please."
Tidus: "Not until the end. Always."

until you realize both almost dropped matches they shouldn't have even been in position to lose.

I don't think you're giving Sonic enough credit.

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I think I'm giving him too much credit.

And um, are the boards glitched or something?
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

"until you realize both almost dropped matches they shouldn't have even been in position to lose."

Yeah, because we don't happen to know for certain one of those matches had thouasands of fraudulent votes, right? And we don't also happen to know that the other one was (incorrectly) project by last years stats to be a losing battle, right? Seriously.
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Saying Mega Man had no business even coming close to losing that match is giving Sonic too much credit?

Forgive me, I know Sonic has generally been considered the "weak link" of the Noble Nine in the past, but I think it's difficult to deny that he was a cut above his normal self in 2005. He was certainly as strong (if not stronger) than he's ever been.
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Yuna: "Stay with me until the end. Please."
Tidus: "Not until the end. Always."

It was incorrect, yes. But even 2004 Megaman should've been able to hold off 2005 Sonic.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

2k3 Mega Man, I believe? 'Cuz I thought unadjusted 2k4 Mega Man woulda lost to Sonic this year.
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Why? Sean Paul made a song about Jay, though nobody understands a damn word of it.

Well, for starters, make that what you will, Conker projected Mega to be somewhere between adjusted and unadjusted, but a bit closer to adjusted, and that's smack-dab where he ended up being. Meanwhile, Diablo projected Sonic to kick unadjusted Megaman's ass, but to still fall short of unadjusted MM by some amount. Yet again, it's what ended up happening with Sonic just barely falling short of where MM ended up being. I'd like to think maybe this is where it stops being conjecture.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

All true (and I think that slight inaccuracy on Conker's behalf can be blamed on C:L&R); I just wanted to clarify.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Sean Paul made a song about Jay, though nobody understands a damn word of it.

Well then, good. To recap, I'm splitting the responsibility 60:40 in Sonic's favor. He's boosted a lot (so did Knuckles, after all), but I'm not ready to let Megaman, and by extension Crono, entirely off the hook either. They haven't convinced me, Sonic did. And Sonic could reasonably clinch sixth place next time if the other two make a big step further on the path of forgotten heroes.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

According the XS, the is Mega Man's strongest year, and Sonic's strongest if you consider WDF. I don't see what the problem is with Crono almost losing to either of them.
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Mega Man and Crono don't have to go anywhere for Sonic to beat them next year. He's close enough already.
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Yuna: "Stay with me until the end. Please."
Tidus: "Not until the end. Always."

"And Sonic could reasonably clinch sixth place next time if the other two make a big step further on the path of forgotten heroes."

Well, we can all get our hopes up for that when they, you know, tak ANY steps in that direction.
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Lemme guess, you're using stats based on a constant Crono? Dot dot dot.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

Constant Cloud... but same difference, right?
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It's still better than formulating stats based on 2003 Snake, a character we knew was nowhere near that number in 2004.
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Yuna: "Stay with me until the end. Please."
Tidus: "Not until the end. Always."

The problem is, Clinkeroth haven't disputed enough match for us to get a good picture on them. It's considerably better if we use a reference from the main bracket. I'm partial to 2003 Snake, myself.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

10 seconds. Anyway, 2003 = 2004 for Snake, we know that much. But 2003 = 2005 at least makes sense, given the matches he's disputed against Zelda and Mario. Besides, who said standards needed to be accurate to the hundredth?
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

2003 =/= 2004, rather.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
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"2003 =/= 2004, rather."

Thanks for the correction, for a second my brain slid out of its cradle and tried to crawl through the internet to strangle you.
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Voltch just gave me my 3rd Guru loss this year.

The "at least" further in should've been a dead giveaway it was a mistake, anyway.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

I didn't get that far, as I may have mentioned my brain was too busy struggling its way out of my head.
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Voltch just gave me my 3rd Guru loss this year.