I fell into that trap, and it was completely because of that poll.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Dragon Warrior, Deus Ex

I plead guilty as well. No, seriously. Yoshi had like 30%, and Bowser had what, 7%?
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

I swear to you, the issue is it being Winter. My computer is in a basement, and it's freezing down here. Typing correctly is hard this time of year! :(

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Dragon Warrior, Deus Ex

I *would* have fallen into that trap, had I known about that poll. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

I don't think I even knew about that poll at the time, but I was still a vehement believer of Yoshi pulling through; I figured he was the fan-favorite of the series outside of Mario...

...and, ironically enough, it could have been proven that I was right (even including Mario) and would have STILL been just as wrong.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

Now I can rest easy ;)
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"Let's mosey"
Proud member of the Jay Solano Army

Yeah, who comes up with Bowser > Yoshi, really? If you got that one right you just got lucky is all.
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Voltch just gave me my 3rd Guru loss this year.

Bowser over Yoshi was as obvious as Master Hand over Kuja, Shadow over Wario, or Squall over Luigi. I can peg matches like that without breaking a sweat, it's crap like KOS-MOS over Crash, Magus over Ganondorf, Sora over HK-47, Starcraft/Diablo, and anyone over Solid Snake that gives me fits.

I'd pick Starcraft to beat any Diablo title without even giving it a second thought.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Dragon Warrior, Deus Ex

I was more referring to Starcraft's and Diablo's runs in the Games/Villains contests, but I agree on that point.

Sora over HK-47

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"My thoughts, they kept floating up, and then slipping through my fingers. Slipping away before I could pin them down with words." - Tidus

I picked HK-47 to beat Sora. Like I said, it's crap like that which kills me.

This year I would have done great, except for the tiny fact that I had Tidus taking Dream...

Yeah, who comes up with Bowser > Yoshi, really? If you got that one right you just got lucky is all.

*raises hand*

I take it there was sarcasm in that post?
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Slow: I knew nothing about Nemesis, so I just left that alone and let XIII is cool do it. He wound up making one hell of a writeup.

*blushes* ^.^

>_>

From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 11/23/2005 8:48:38 PM | Message Detail
I picked HK-47 to beat Sora. Like I said, it's crap like that which kills me.

This year I would have done great, except for the tiny fact that I had Tidus taking Dream...

I had Bowser taking dream, but IIRC Tidus over Kirby. That boost just ****ed everybody up.

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Formerly known as Xic...PWNED BY jman_gamer X8 in the guru contest!!

I have the biggest killer of all...

I was going along nicely at #5 on the leaderboard up until Mario/Crono. I probably would have come in second or third place.
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"Let's mosey"
Proud member of the Jay Solano Army

I was going along nicely at #5 on the leaderboard up until Mario/Crono. I probably would have come in second or third place.

Ah. whoops.

I was screwed when Samus lost. I had her winning and beating Sephiroth. About 50 points down the drain. o_O


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Formerly known as Xic...PWNED BY jman_gamer X8 in the guru contest!!

Alrighty, I've been going through the Spring 2005 Contest and adding in bios as needed. I'm done up to and including Vergil, and am currently waiting on RPGuy to write a little bit about Ghaleon so that I can keep going.

With any luck, I can get through all of the Villain Contest bracket before the end of Thanksgiving break.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Dragon Warrior, Deus Ex

This was the first year that I had no regrets about any of my picks. Samus had been genuinely stronger than Mario up to SC2k5 and had a monster SC2k4. Mario went out pretty ugly in the past 2 contests, so I picked Samus without much thought.

And although I knew Snake would probably beat Bowser, I'll ALWAYS pick Bowser everytime he even has a chance at upsetting somebody, so no tears lost over that one. Otherwise, I would have probably been in the Top 10 (I was #12 I think until Mario/Samus).

Didn't see Kirby>Tidus, Pac-Man>Ocelot, or Knuckles>Magus coming so no tears lost over those either, although I did have Vincent winning the Devil division.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

i always thought pac man could beat ocelot.
but everyone took ocelot and the seed for him could not be ignored so i took him thinking it was a gamble
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Nominate CATS,Jay Solano,Weedle and Ifnkovhgroghprm for sc2k6

I remember looking at Revolver/Pac and thinkin' "Huh...cool" before picking Revolver and not worrying about it again 'til close to lock-down. Even then, it's not like I fretted.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

Back to Crono/MC.

Something happened during Samus/Sam (and probably Lara). If you use Freeman's 2k3 numbers and go from there MC only overperformed by about 2.5% then what he was suppose to. The only problem I have is that we're using so many numbers that some random thing could screw it all up, or put MC's projected value closer.
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"I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush

That still leaves me wary though, as all four gain the same amount. I'm not dead-set against that though...you may be onto something. I can't tell if you're onto something genius or if you're onto weed though, as I don't have my numbers and whatnot on my home computer.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

Think bigger about Tails in that four-pack though...if Tails gained much, he could have taken out MC. That'd been a shocker.

I'd probably leave the site on general principle if that happened.
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Jon Thomson - inferior to Jman_gamerX8. Pesky Crono.

Why? What's wrong with Tails?
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Yuna: "Stay with me until the end. Please."
Tidus: "Not until the end. Always."

Why? What's wrong with Tails?

Tails is a completely useless nonentity of a character IMO. It's despite Tails that I love Sonic 2.
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Jon Thomson - inferior to Jman_gamerX8. Pesky Crono.

It's because of Tails that I love S3&K that much.

Now, on to another topic entirely. Just a fantasy setting, folks, nothing to excite yourselves about, it's just for fun. Running off the (realistic) assumption that Samus suffered 10 points worth of SFF against Mario, and the (absolutely outlandish) one that she did the same against Link, here's what the 2003 X-Sts for Samus' half-division would look like:

Samus: 47.94% (right behind Clinkeroth, duh)
Squall: 40.08% (ahead of everyone short of Clinkeroth and Samus)
Jill: 32.07% (Aeris' level)
Luigi: 31.90%
KOS-MOS: 29.00% (around Magus' true strength)
Isaac: 23.64% (stronger than Kefka!)
Crash: 22.05% (Kefka's level)
Ratchet: 16.24% (y helo thar KoaC)
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

I think Tails is the Slippy of Sonic...with the big difference being that I would still vote for Tails in matches. He's just as annoying though, barring somebody taking over the second controller.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

Isaac: 23.64% (stronger than Kefka!)

Yeah, okay. Isaac wouldn't be able to beat Kefka if he was a regular character in SSBO.
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"Let's mosey"
Proud member of the Jay Solano Army

Am I the only who thinks something weird happened in Ganondorf/Robotnik or Robotnik/Master Hand?

I can see Sin being low. Hell, he's a sea monster. I can see Master Hand being low. Hell, he's a hand.

But, how in the world is the villain of FFIX less popular than the villains of Xenosaga, Skies of Arcadia and Lunar? It's frickin' Final Fantasy!


And why is everyone arguing about Tails Vs. MC like Tails would have had a shot? Sonic's boost wasn't near the size of DK's.

Yeah, who comes up with Bowser > Yoshi, really? If you got that one right you just got lucky is all.

Hey! I got that one right by using Villain > Supporting character logic, not just blind luck.
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Jman_gamerX8 PWNed me in the Guru Contest. . . .Stupid Cloud.
On Default Team Name in Trivia XVI

Seriously, even if used logic to come to that conclusion you still got lucky. Everything for the 10 years leading up to that match would make most people assume that Yoshi would beat Bowser. Sure, that line of thinking would have people putting Mario over Link (and the year before that they certainly did), but without any evidence to the contrary (and at the time there was none) you had to be lucky to get that match right.

Also, Tails is cooler than half of the peopel in this topic and KOS-MOS should probably be equal to Kefka in that extrapolation Slow did, even if it was just for fun.
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Voltch just gave me my 3rd Guru loss this year.

who thinks it's time for kos-mos to leave the contest arena?
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Nominate CATS,Jay Solano,Weedle and Ifnkovhgroghprm for sc2k6

What's funny about this though is that most people didn't expect DK to gain until he beat Fisher almost as badly as Magus, and this was when we were still under the false assumption that Magus was of incredible strength. Even after MC 2k3 did exactly what was expected of him against Face-CATS and DK 2k3 did exactly what was expected of him against Fisher 2k3, most people only said he "could" have a close match with MC in a non-serious manner (proven by it being the first match after what everybody considered "The Gauntlet"). Once their match took place, it seemed like everybody had agreed that DK boosted thanks to The Boost, which was confusing because the four-pack -- statistically speaking -- matched up just fine with those four values already mentioned. Then along came MC/Crono where MC had matched in the first update of the match what the stats expected of him to finish against Crono...and I think that MC got almost as close to Crono as he did to Aeris in 2k3 (don't have my numbers on me right now).

I think MC/Crono was nothing more than an anomaly, much like Solid/Frog was. Granted, I'm not saying they're ALL exactly at their former values...but I don't see them being too far off, either. I still gotta look into that Freeman-Fisher correlation sometime though to see what I think about that.....
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

I'd rather look at Magus/Fisher, honestly. Two games, only a two-point gain. Sounds meh, actually.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

Seriously, even if used logic to come to that conclusion you still got lucky. Everything for the 10 years leading up to that match would make most people assume that Yoshi would beat Bowser. Sure, that line of thinking would have people putting Mario over Link (and the year before that they certainly did), but without any evidence to the contrary (and at the time there was none) you had to be lucky to get that match right.

Or you could have just realized that Bowser, King of the Koopas was more popular than Yoshi, regardless of Yoshi having his own popular games and such. Luck had nothing to do with it. Picking Mario over Cloud in 2k2 was "luck". Picking Ryu over Jill was "luck". Picking Master Chief over Frog was "luck". I always saw Bowser being superior to Yoshi in the Mario food chain. I guess it may depend on where you began in gaming because I would have thought Luigi would be above Yoshi as well (the only reason I picked Yoshi over Luigi is because Luigi bombed in 2k3).

I think MC/Crono was nothing more than an anomaly, much like Solid/Frog was. Granted, I'm not saying they're ALL exactly at their former values...but I don't see them being too far off, either. I still gotta look into that Freeman-Fisher correlation sometime though to see what I think about that.....

I thought it was agreed on that Master Chief is non-linear. He will always get his share of the votes no matter who he's up against. It's not like it's a phenomenon we haven't seen before (Gordon Freeman? <_<).
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Picking Master Chief over Frog was "luck".

Really, really bad luck, but point taken.
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Yuna: "Stay with me until the end. Please."
Tidus: "Not until the end. Always."

"Or you could have just realized that Bowser, King of the Koopas was more popular than Yoshi"

Only on GameFAQs AND only in character battles. Until that match there was absolutely nothing pointing at Bowser > Yoshi and saying there was is a lie.
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Voltch just gave me my 3rd Guru loss this year.

I don't know in 2k3 I took Yoshi thinking it was an easy choice, but by 8 year old brother at the time thought Bowser would easily take it since he's been in every Mario game and thought he was cool.
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"I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush

Picking Master Chief over Frog was "luck".

Oops. Switch that. <_<; I'm always thinking that Master Chief would easily defeat Frog in a rematch, so subconsciously it's like Master Chief actually won.

Only on GameFAQs AND only in character battles. Until that match there was absolutely nothing pointing at Bowser > Yoshi and saying there was is a lie.

Well, like you said, it's the same as thinking Mario is more popular than Link. Sure Yoshi may be more well-known to the masses, but we ARE a gaming community. It's not like we're weird or anything (for the most part, I know you can have fun with that statement). I think Bowser would probably win on a number of video game related sites like GameFAQs, although I may be wrong. And character battles (head-to-head) ARE the way to go to determine popularity. Bowser may not be as much as a favorite character as Yoshi, but head-to-head it is shown that he is generally more liked.

Just for clarification, what, may I ask is the evidence that shows that Yoshi > Bowser?
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

The stupidest mistake I made in this contest was taking Luigi not only over Tifa, but SONIC! I have no idea what I was smoking there.

Lloyd > Zero and Kratos > Alucard were two also mistakes I'm kicking myself over. With that said, I also NAILED the Dream Division, as well as the Zebes (which I personally thought was the easiest to predict).

And damn, I had DK beating Master Chief. >< I was so close...

And you might as well draw a bit red X through the Devil Division. :P
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Leo: Well, what do you think of the decal? It's a p-
Aeris: I KNOW.

Bah, I was so close to having a really good Devil Division...
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Yuna: "Stay with me until the end. Please."
Tidus: "Not until the end. Always."

Pat yourself on the back for that, because God was it easy to blow that division. 80% of the board having Magus to take it, a lot of people having Dante in round 3, Kerrigan over Vincent, Dante over Terra... there may be a serious attempt somewhere on this board that had only Squall over Geno correct in the entire division.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

Make that Terra over Dante. Ha-ha.
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Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

The stupidest mistake I made in this contest was taking Luigi not only over Tifa, but SONIC! I have no idea what I was smoking there.

Go back to 2k3 and Luigi over Sonic would've been debated. As for Tifa, I thought the match would be close.

With that said, I also NAILED the Dream Division, as well as the Zebes (which I personally thought was the easiest to predict).

I also nailed the Zebes, Flood and Choas Divisions, but my Dream Division final was Tidus over Ryu.

And you might as well draw a bit red X through the Devil Division. :P

You also had Magus > Dante?
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"I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush

there may be a serious attempt somewhere on this board that had only Squall over Geno correct in the entire division.

I'm not intending to make fun of him, but I think RPGuy's bracket was like that.
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Yuna: "Stay with me until the end. Please."
Tidus: "Not until the end. Always."

I wish Luigi woulda won just to see Luigi-Sonic. I can't imagine Mario-Shadow being funky and not Luigi-Sonic.
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xyzzy

there may be a serious attempt somewhere on this board that had only Squall over Geno correct in the entire division.

*raises hand*

Whoops.
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pi

I had most of the Devil division right, except for Magus' First and Second round matches. Of course that doesn't matter, since I had Samus over Mario and Bowser in the Final 4 <_<"

I did well in that division by simply having faith in Vincent and FF7, although I don't personally care for him. I can't believe that Magus became so overrated on this board. With every Magus > Sonic argument grew my urge to stab someone.

I keep kicking myself for not going with Squall > Magus even though I thought long and hard about that one.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I did the same as Buzzup, except, again, picking Bowser was out of principle.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Hey, I was right.
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Yuna: "Stay with me until the end. Please."
Tidus: "Not until the end. Always."