hey KH, a question:

I've seen people say that while STH isn't that great, that Shadow as a character is still cool. is this true? if so, the exposure may help him more than people realize.
---
xyzzy

I still don't consider beating Sin by less than 2000 votes to be an accomplishment or something you would use to support your case, whether it's from FFX or not.
---
"My thoughts, they kept floating up, and then slipping through my fingers. Slipping away before I could pin them down with words." - Tidus

...I really wouldn't use Robotnik to support your argument. He's still ridiculously weak, and he beat a fin and a hand whilst getting destroyed by a nose.

this killed me.

---
xyzzy

Could be; it was the closest match of the contest, afterall. I really wish Tails would have made it in this year though; throwing him in Fisher's place could have been fun, especially if he gained any.
---
Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

DK/Tails? Man, I would've hated to have to predict that match before the contest. I probably would've gone with Miles Per Hour because of DK's tendency to blow matches.
---
"My thoughts, they kept floating up, and then slipping through my fingers. Slipping away before I could pin them down with words." - Tidus

hey KH, a question:

I've seen people say that while STH isn't that great, that Shadow as a character is still cool. is this true? if so, the exposure may help him more than people realize.

Well, that depends on what you mean by 'cool'. I'm not fond of Shadow's character--never really have been. But I am aware that Shadow became enormously popular based on his angsty and mysterious 'personality' from SA2. He stays as true to that as ever in ShTH, so that won't be a minus for existing fans. And as for me, there was a bright spot or two in the Last Story, though it takes ten playthroughs in order to unlock that. = /

Considering the Sonic polls that featured Dr. Robotnik as being one of the most-hated and least-liked characters of his series, a win is a win for Dr. Robotnik over any FFX character, even if it's just Sin and even if it was so close.

Think bigger about Tails in that four-pack though...if Tails gained much, he could have taken out MC. That'd been a shocker.
---
Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

I really doubt Sin would fare very well at all in any sort of FFX "favorite" poll.
---
"My thoughts, they kept floating up, and then slipping through my fingers. Slipping away before I could pin them down with words." - Tidus

SoT was lauded by critics, but ultimately sold very poorly.

The Sands of Time sold upward to 2.4 million copies upon my last check. By no means is that selling "very poorly."

WW was received much worse by reviewers,

The Wind Waker was rather well received from most reviewers from what I remember.

---
You are a fading dream, but one that has been touched by reality.
Run, dream. Run on into the daylight. And walk into reality.

Memory might be failing me here, but wasn't Sin the third-favorite villain from a previous poll about FF-villains?
---
Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

The Sands of Time sold upward to 2.4 million copies upon my last check. By no means is that selling "very poorly."

Did it now? That's a bit more than I had thought. Regardless, the point is comparative, and the sales *were* disappointing, which is what prompted the change in style.

The Wind Waker was rather well received from most reviewers from what I remember.

I assume you mean Warrior Within. Because that's what I mean. Again, I mean comparatively. Sands of Time was much more well received by the hardcore fandom.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1446

A whopping 6.63%, but CJayC chose all the wrong villains for that poll, Sin included. Most of those are just last bosses that nobody cares about or likes. At least Sin is a prominent part of the game.
---
"My thoughts, they kept floating up, and then slipping through my fingers. Slipping away before I could pin them down with words." - Tidus

man, that poll makes you realize how many random last bosses there have been in FF games..

---
xyzzy

Oh, and granted, that's not a FFX-favorite poll and being behind Kefka isn't worth bragging about. I'm not arguing that Sin is a force to be reckoned with, nor am I for Dr. Robotnik. I just think that it'd be worth noting that victory for the Sonic team over the FFX crew, even if they are on such a low level.
---
Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

I refuse to believe 611 people voted for Necron. That's not funny, so they couldn't have been joke votes.

And to think, Ceej didn't even include FFX's random last boss, Yu Yevon.
---
"My thoughts, they kept floating up, and then slipping through my fingers. Slipping away before I could pin them down with words." - Tidus

I refuse to believe 611 people voted for Necron. That's not funny, so they couldn't have been joke votes.

HGR and Semi probably did.

The rest were probably Star Wars fanboys who marked out when Necron went all Yoda on Zidane.
---
"My thoughts, they kept floating up, and then slipping through my fingers. Slipping away before I could pin them down with words." - Tidus

I want to know who voted for "Emperor".
---
xyzzy

Did it now? That's a bit more than I had thought. Regardless, the point is comparative, and the sales *were* disappointing, which is what prompted the change in style.

Well, I cannot possibly ever imagine those sales being considered disappointing. But that darker side of the Prince was thought of right about the time the lighter side of the Prince was thought of. The idea behing Warrior Within had been there almost as long as The Sands of Time. So while it is certainly a solid marketing strategy to change him into a more "badass" type of character, it was also apart of Ubisoft's way of making him a more hardened character for story purposes. It wasn't entirely because of sales at all.

I assume you mean Warrior Within. Because that's what I mean. Again, I mean comparatively. Sands of Time was much more well received by the hardcore fandom.

Haha! I still have a thing with attaching "WW" to "Wind Waker" despite how you were talking about Prince of Persia. Nasty habit.

Sands of Time, as a whole, was much more well received between the "hardcore" and the reviewers as well. I know on average SoT was better between reviewers and most people who had played both games.


But I'm going to go look and see if I can't find a sales comparison just because it's bugging me. Not exactly proving any particular point, but I'm interested in seeing the the two now.

---
You are a fading dream, but one that has been touched by reality.
Run, dream. Run on into the daylight. And walk into reality.

Hey, at least the Emperor was...uh, well, I can't say anything good about FFIIj.
---
"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Sands of Time is one of my favorite games ever, Warrior Within, is a good game, but certainly not among the best. I just hope that The Two Thrones will be orgasmic.

---
Explicit Content, Thrusting Harder Than Ever
I was busy watching porn with my parents so I wouldn't know. - snalien

Tails in Fisher's place would have been great, especially given that he would have been less likely to blow it against Chief.

~*ST*~
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Dragon Warrior, Deus Ex

Imagine how few people would have taken Tails over MC, too, in general/the Gurus/the BOP/the Oracle (probably). That would have been awesome in the contest-sense, though I'd still rather MC win that one.

Tails switching with Kratos Aurion could have been fun, too, as well as even the SFF-beatdown that would follow if Tails beat Diablo. Speaking of which, we've yet to see any form of Sega SFF to my knowledge, especially amongst Sonic characters...I wonder how well Shadow/Knuckles/Tails(/Robotnik, even) would hold up against Sonic head-to-head.


Man, all this talk is about to make me create a 2k6 bracket.....
---
Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

We had Sonic 2/Phantasy Star 4, and there was a ton of SFF in that one.
---
voltch may not pwn with English, but he can certainly pwn gurus.
Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.

Sonic 2/Shining Force, actually. Regardless, I refuse to believe a third of that beating was SFF, especially considering Sonic 2 could be a good deal stronger than it looks in the stats.
---
Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

I would've never, EVER picked Tails over MC. Period. Especially not after Halo 2.
---
Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 11/14/2005 9:26:26 PM | Message Detail
You get the Spirit Camo automatically. You can't miss it.


Actually, you can kill yourself in the River of Sorrow with a rocket launcher or explosive weaopn and take the revival pill to avoid the battle altogether, but if you do this you don't get spirit camo. I did that when I did a speed run, it really helped.
---
boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=22242738
Formerly known as Xic...PWNED BY jman_gamer X8 in the guru contest!!

For those interested in the bracket I made:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=24740049


DK/Tails has generally been considered a close match, and DK/MC were dead-even before Halo 2...CATS and DK (Sam Fisher, too, if ya wanna extropolate) both say Halo 2 helped him none, and his match against Crono is the only thing that says otherwise (which I don't trust one bit).
---
Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

Also, has anybody been keeping up with the GFA tag-team tourney (besides transience)? Despite it being a MMUUCCHH smaller and stranger voting pool, it's been mighty interesting nonetheless...I recommend it for those who haven't seen it yet.
---
Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

we've yet to see any form of Sega SFF to my knowledge

I still believe that Knuckles SFF'D Akira. :)

I'd trust that match with Crono, personally. DK had The Boost, Sam Fisher had a new game (two since 2003, since 2004 was such a fluke), and in spite of that Magus/Fisher would still be expected to go to Magus with 64%. That's a two-point gain over two games. MC is where he belongs, I say.

Then again, it's board tradition to not give the Chief enough credit.
---
Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

I don't trust Magus either, FYI, thanks to Crono/Vincent (and I'm not even a fan of Vincent/Squall, either, but I don't wanna get into that one right now). Also, as a supporter or MC, I wish I could give him that much credit. However, given that their four-pack played out damn-near-perfectly when using MC/DK/Fisher 2k3 and Face-CATS, I can't be fully behind MC's nice performance against Crono; I do not think Halo 2, The Boost's effect on DK, a new SC game (or two if you fancy), and a random jump three months laters from a joke character can be both proportional and so big as far as their effects go.
---
Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

huh why are there so many posts in one day here on off season?
---
Nominate CATS,Jay Solano,Weedle and Ifnkovhgroghprm for sc2k6

Similar logic was used when gauging Tails last year, and we all got burned. The possibility of a proportional increase is very real (although to be honest, CATS is the big oddball).
---
Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

We decided it was time to get serious again...

...actually, I dunno; I think the topic being called on running out of debates sparked some more debates, heh.
---
Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

Spoilers for Mega Man, maybe?

http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/drwily.htm

Some of the best music on the site. Peeeeeeriod.

~*ST*~
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Dragon Warrior, Deus Ex

*picked Tails over VJ*

Point taken though, as I'll concede the better example of Tidus on myself. Regardless, do you give MC full credit for his match against Crono? While I'm thinkin' they should go back to their 2k3/VC values, the only thing I feel certain about is that they should NOT get full credit for MC/Crono. I'm not against a small proportional boost, and I'm not against them all gaining in various boosts...but to gain so much in such proportion for a FOUR-PACK instead of just one match is something that I'm not prepared to accept.
---
Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

Great music, indeed. You might want to mention Revolver getting a MGS3 pic against Wily though; that's caused afew arguments.....
---
Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

Ulti, I know I've mentioned it before and you didn't seem to be a big fan of it, but I'll throw it out there again: any way we could get a page dedicated to previous GameFAQs-polls that are contest-related (though not contest matches)? I'd be willing to browse most/all of the previous PotD's if you'd be willing to do a page that'd link to said polls with the poll-questions above/beside each link.
---
Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

Who is Nemesis?
Add content to your paragraph here.

<3 <3 <3
---
Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

I'm still partial to Mega Man's page's music, but that's just me.
---
"My thoughts, they kept floating up, and then slipping through my fingers. Slipping away before I could pin them down with words." - Tidus

I'd be willing to browse most/all of the previous PotD's if you'd be willing to do a page that'd link to said polls with the poll-questions above/beside each link.

If you're willing to go through 2000+ polls and pick out what you think is useful, then yeah sure, I'll make a page. My only issue is that those polls are misleading most of the time, but I'll make a note of that.

~*ST*~
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Dragon Warrior, Deus Ex

Slow: I knew nothing about Nemesis, so I just left that alone and let XIII is cool do it. He wound up making one hell of a writeup.

~*ST*~
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Dragon Warrior, Deus Ex

Aight then, sounds good...I'll send ya an e-mail with my list either late tonight or sometime Sunday, I figure. While they can be misleading, they are also often-times brought up and aren't 100% wrong so it could make for easier referencing. They're no more wrong than Mario/Cloud, if nothing else, heh (though God did that ever feel so right).
---
Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

They tend to be more accurate for games than for characters, if that means anything.
---
Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

Unfortunately, ocne Ultros finally showed up in a match he went and proved why it took him so long to see a contest in the first place.

You have lost all credibility, UltimaterializerX.
---
"Let's mosey"
Proud member of the Jay Solano Army

That much is true Slow, though that's not to say the character-ones are useless either.
---
Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano in 2k6.
Why? Transience was nice enough to point out 2k5 was too late for him.

OMG, A TYPO! I'm sure I'm the only one who has ever made those.

=p

Thanks for that. The less errors, the better. But bear in mind that I make my typos on purpose just to allow you people to think that I'm on your level and/or a normal human like the rest of you </Maddox>

~*ST*~
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Dragon Warrior, Deus Ex

Hmm hmm. Where's that Yoshi championship now, huh?

Seriously, Yoshi > Luigi > Mario > Bowser? HAHAHAHAHA. Worst thing is, Yoshi was all the rage to beat Bowser way back then, and look what happened.
---
Q: Why was Chris Benoit kicked out of the gas station?
A: Because he was carrying matches.

Ocelot failed to break 55% on Nemesis, while Wily went out and beat the hell out of what many felt was a strong characterin Ultros

*shakes head in disgust*
---
"Let's mosey"
Proud member of the Jay Solano Army