SSBM is waaaaay too low on that list.



*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19



*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/13

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/14

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/15

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/16

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/17

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/18

Spring 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/27

SFF Adjusted Summer 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/33

Summer 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/32

All Time Extrapolated Standings:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/alltimexsts.htm



*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html



*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm



*Match Pictures*

All the match pics, save for three from 2002:
http://www.sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php



*Miscellaneous*


Creativename's Page of Links:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

UltimaterializerX's Contest Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

A List of Acronyms, A Lesson on Percentages, and Some Odd Matches:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/acronymspercentsanomalies.htm

All Time Top 25/Top 10 Lists (Old):
http://www.rpgdl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251



!yawA tsoP

agreed
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Nominate CATS,Jay Solano,Weedle and Ifnkovhgroghprm for sc2k6

again I say, I am five for five, just haven't called the spots right.
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"Prepare for a fate you can only suffer through a message board, ExTha" ~ HaRRicH

I was utterly surprised to see Melee only make 6th. I'm glad it's recognised of course, but I would have been much happier to see it up near #3 or 4...
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Nominate Fox McCloud for 2006! And support Yoshi!
You have no chance to survive make your time.

Nah, SSBM is right about where it needs to be.

Called it, too.
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"What's going to happen to this Planet?"
"Who knows...That's up to you, I guess."

I'm predicting FFVII at #3, going out on a limb. >.>
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~Sess~
You're stupid. This topic is stupid. I hate you. Go away. - Tombs

and since then SSBM has gained steam (as seen by Summer 2k5)

Eh, you're still just making assumptions by saying that Melee was responsible for that when some key Nintendo characters showed no signs of increasing strength (Samus and Link, in particular).
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

I hope that 500 turns out to be true... even if it might be better for my score if LttP shows up, I'm not winning either way and I'd like one of my upset picks to pull through >_>
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Jman_gamerX8 has owned us with his sexy plumber bracket.

I take SSBM over FF6 just based on the Nintendo Boost and the Old Square Fall. Mario 3 is a mess just because I have no idea which way the SFF falls - I think SSBM would win, but I also get the feeling that originals > spinoffs which could hurt SSBM in an SFF affair.

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xyzzy

Others also showed big gains though (some more legit in my mind than others, but nonetheless gains). Regardless, SSBM being packaged with the system simply had to do something; LoZ:CE is a big reason why many people (like myself) think Link/Ganon gained so much (though Ganon's hard to truly argue for), and Zelda boosted from 2k3 from some kind of boost; whether it be from LoZ:CE or SSBM or both, that's arguable.

Even if it didn't do anything for the characters, I can't imagine it not doing anything for SSBM itself, which is the real issue here.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

I don't think it's done that much - maybe if it happened a year ago, but most people that are going to have a Cube already own one.
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xyzzy

I'd wait until Christmas before saying that; if this deal goes on through the holiday season, it almost-certainly will do something. If we happen to have a Game Contest this Spring, SSBM should, by all means, cause havoc.

Right now though, to each their own...when this this GC/SSBM packaged-deal start, anyways?
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

I assume that's supposed to say "when did this", and only a couple months ago. I don't know the exact date though.
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xyzzy

If we happen to have a Game Contest this Spring, SSBM should, by all means, cause havoc.

Yeah, due to this board overestimating it.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

tag
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Top Ten list Score = FUBAR

Yeah, I think it started a lil' before the Summer Contest, though I don't know that for fact at all.

Leonhart, there's only two games that SSBM is being potentially over-rated against, and they're two games that SSBM would have gotten 47+% against 1 1/2 years ago and are two-to-three generations older than it. SSBM also ranked higher than one of them in this list. It's not like the over-estimation here is on par with Magus 2k5 or Luigi 2k3; SSBM has an inherited advantage over SMB3 or FF3/6 (in the same sense as taking two steps closer when you're aiming a gun; you might still miss the target, but it can also be the difference between a good shot and bullseye), and it's had reason to increase since the Game Contest.

I just don't see anything unreasonable about the pick, at all, though it is certainly capable of being wrong.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

I'd certainly crap my pants in the event of a SSBM/FF6 match, though that's mostly due to the crazy power Nintendo's shown this year. SSBM wouldn't have that advantage against SMB3. I'll take SSBM over FF6 a lot sooner than against SMB3, and I'd seriously consider taking the latter and especially LttP over Chrono Trigger in potential rematches.
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Showing me cleavage is like dangling a juicy steak in front of a large dog that hasn't eaten in a month while you tell it to stay put. -BlAcK TuRtLe

I took LoZ:LttP over CT last time, and I would take that pick again.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

Well FFX gave SSBM a rather close match, and I'd easily take FFVI over FFX, both directly AND indirectly. Even WITH the boost, it still is a Square/Nintendo match, and I've seen Square overperform too many times in those matchups for me to lose faith in FFVI.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I would have more faith in SSBM against SMB3 than FF3/6, myself, and I would go up the wall picking a SMB3/FF3-6 winner.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

The only games I wouldnt take SSBM over would be FF VII, OOT, Chrono Trigger, and posibly SMB3 and A Link to the Past.
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So, even if we are born to die, I'm not afraid. I'm gonna live!
- Zidane Tribal, Final Fantasy IX

It'd wreak havoc because SSBM would lose to Mario 3 or FFVI late in a contest, thus ruining brackets beyond repair.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

Well, somebody'd definitely lose; not so sure about it being SSBM though, nor would so many others. I've presented my case though, so...

...so let's go back to two games many of us used to talk about competing with SSBM that missed out on the Game Contest due to not being released yet: Halo 2 and GTA:SA. How do people feel about that trio?
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

Oh, and last thing I'll say about SSBM trying to upset a Super Seven game for awhile: no matter your opinion on who would win between SSBM and FF3/6, it would certainly tease us with comeback-potential during after-school hours.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

I'm amazed at the sheer number of people on this board who still think Mario 64 is making the list.

Once again, why was it considered so likely to make the list? I still don't get it.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

today's predictions:

Link to the Past - 22
Mario 64 - 18
Mario 3 - 17
FF10 - 9
Chrono Trigger - 7
Super Mario World - 6
Starcraft - 6

I am rather surprised at the number of M64 predictions as well - I thought that once 007 made it, they would drop down. that seemed to only happen with Starcraft. I'm not sure if people realize that M64 making the list means LTTP or Mario 3 won't.

the other surprising thing is that FF10 got nine predictions. I thought people would have lost faith in it by now.
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xyzzy

It's not so much faith in SM64 as it's lack of faith in LoZ:LttP for me, and SM64's the game I expected the most from as far as games not from the Super Seven or Halo are concerned.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

Why the lack of faith in LttP? Its bad seeding in the Spring Contest? Mario 64's was worse.

I still don't see why THIS particular game (Mario 64) is going to be on the list, and not because some other game (LttP) isn't going to.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

well, tonight should be interesting - I think we'd all agree that it's going to be one of three games: LTTP, Mario 3 or Mario 64. I don't see FF10 as having much of a shot and that's the only other game I'd even give a chance to.

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xyzzy

Yeah, but Mario was only behind three other N64 games; LoZ:LttP was behind four other SNES games. SM64DS is also bound to help its case, though how much is very debatable. Recency doesn't hurt its case either.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

Final Fantasy X was behind a grand total of ZERO PS2 games (you know, the most widely owned current generation system).

And Mario 64 was "only" behind THREE Nintendo 64 games?
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

the other surprising thing is that FF10 got nine predictions. I thought people would have lost faith in it by now.

Nah. I still have some faith, though not much... but I don't really have much faith in anything =/
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Jman_gamerX8 has owned us with his sexy plumber bracket.

I still think we are going to get a surprise on this list... But yeah, I had Mario 64 at #8 if only because I was thinking about The Boost. With FFVI at #10, Halo AND MGS making the list, and GOLDENEYE popping on the list, I quickly changed my mind on it.

Goldeneye still has me baffled on what else will appear on the list.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I actually hope it's Mario 3 for two reasons:

1) I had it called at #5.
2) I can fantasize for a day the possibility of SM64 > SMB3.


To be fair though, if SMB3 does come in tomorrow, I think I'll concede hope of SM64 making the list and thus outdoing it.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

I really think you guys are putting too much into nominations. it's like the x-stats have failed you so you've turned to nominations as the end-all for popularity.

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xyzzy

Meh, I'm not really relying on nominations as a gauge. It's just that other people seem to want to use them as reasons why other games WON'T make the list but kindly disregard that when it comes to Mario 64.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

agreed; if you're going to say LTTP might miss the list because it was a 6, you have to say the same for M64.
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xyzzy

Final Fantasy X was behind a grand total of ZERO PS2 games (you know, the most widely owned current generation system).

Yep, and it was only behind two other games in its division: Halo and SSBM. Both games are much more dominantly THE game of their respective systems than FFX is to the PS2...also, contest-wise, SSBM >or= FFX >or= Halo (they're all close together is the point). Let's not forget the FF chain, either: FF7 > FF3/6 > FFX in terms of both seeding and strength (and keep in mind the one-seed in two-seeded FF3/6's division was CT).


Now, as a friendly reminder of certain games on the list thus far...

10-FF3/6
9-Halo
6-SSBM
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

And Mario 64 was "only" behind THREE Nintendo 64 games?
[...] but kindly disregard that when it comes to Mario 64.
if you're going to say LTTP might miss the list because it was a 6, you have to say the same for M64.

SM64's had a big release on the DS since it was seeded 1 1/2 years ago though, that's why its seeding past is being disregarded pretty liberally by me.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

...And isn't Mario World considered more popular than Mario 64 anyway? Isn't it 2nd on the favorite Mario poll?
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

...is it? I'd like to see this poll.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

I really don't see the big deal about the re-release.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

two years old, but:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1181

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xyzzy

here's the Final Fantasy one, too:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1178

I still don't understand why FF6 is automatically stronger than FF10 when FF10's behind by .5 percent.

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xyzzy

SMW vs. SM64 would be such a ***** to predict.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

I still don't understand why FF6 is automatically stronger than FF10 when FF10's behind by .5 percent.

I would assume that a significant portion of FFIII's votes were for those voting for FFVI by its American name because I have a hard time believing that a game that wasn't even released Stateside can compete with FFIX in popularity, heh.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

The thing is, the lowest seeded game that's made the list so far has been MGS--everything else has been a three or higher, which is the only thing that really gives me doubt in LttP's placement. Yes, I convinced myself that its seeding in the Games Contest was a fluke...but what if it wasn't? Could Super Metroid really make the list?

IMO, that would be *far* more shocking than Goldeneye to me, and the shock of the contest.

Good find. Looks like SM64's ahead afterall, and SM64DS can't hurt its case. Still though, if it made the list, it'd most likely be right beside SMB3, and that wouldn't make alot of sense to biased ole' me.

I didn't realize FFX was that close to FF3/6 though...wait, that's not the latest one; I know the latest one has FFX-2 as an option. That was about to worry me, heh.


SMW vs. SM64 would be such a ***** to predict.

I'd pick SM64 and run with it, though it could be a good one to watch.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

Super Metroid making the list this late in the game would be a bigger shock than Starcraft IMO.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Two of the 2-seeds have made it so far, and another is a lock for the top three... so...

Tetris for #5!

>_>
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Jman_gamerX8 has owned us with his sexy plumber bracket.