SSBM now is far stronger than SSBM in 2k4. It'd probably get at least 55% on Starcraft now. SSBM is one of those games that just keeps getting more popular, and the Nintenboost can only help it.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.

I don't think SSBM is that much more popular... though you're correct about the %. Without all the cheaters SC isn't going anywhere in a game contest without some weaker competition.
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Well, just look at how SSBM's popularity increased between 2001 and 2004. I certainly think that it would continue that trend.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.

Eh, I think SSBM being stronger than FFX in 2004 compared to 2001 has more to do with FFX than SSBM, personally.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

Especially now that it's packaged with Gamecubes.

However, I think it wouldn't be much more than 55% nowadays IF that (thinkin' 54%), and not at least 55%.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He believes you're a sexy beast. He'd go straight to HotOrNot and give you a 10.

Yeah, but wasn't SSBM 4th in 2001? Behind MGS2 and Halo as well?
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.

You're still talking about a four-way poll. Don't consider that indicative of anything definite.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

I think it was ahead of Halo...not sure though.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He believes you're a sexy beast. He'd go straight to HotOrNot and give you a 10.

What would've SFF'd SSBM in a poll like that?
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.

What does SFF have to do with anything? Are you saying that people who voted for SSBM only played that game in 2001? Or that those that didn't vote for SSBM hadn't played it yet?
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

I don't think it's a matter of SFF, but rather recency; if I'm not mistaken, that poll was the 2001 GotY poll. Halo, SSBM, and FFX were all released within the last two months of the year...Halo and SSBM were on new systems while FFX was on a year-old system, and it was also the newest of the three (as I understand it) as well as comin' from the most popular franchise on this site.

It just makes sense of the way it happened then, though it obviously doesn't match up with what we have now.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He believes you're a sexy beast. He'd go straight to HotOrNot and give you a 10.

What does SFF have to do with anything? Are you saying that people who voted for SSBM only played that game in 2001? Or that those that didn't vote for SSBM hadn't played it yet?

My point was that in multi-way polls, the issue is generally that items SFF each other. Like, Majora's Mask would be underrated in a favorite Zelda poll because OoT would SFF it. But if there's no reason for the games to SFF each other, the poll should be relatively accurate.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.

You mean, other than the fact that they're the most popular games of the year, meaning that a large portion of the population played one or more of them? Heck, I had played SSBM, FFX, and Halo by the end of 2001.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

Link what Leonhart said to what I said, and I think that explains it. Unless you played it at a friend's house, you couldn't really play Halo or SSBM without buying the entire system at its most expensive point. The PS2 was already out a year, and this site is built around Final Fantasy. It's reasonable to see what happened there when you look at it like that, I believe; if the Game Contest would have been in the Spring of 2k2, FFX would have stormed through its division with nothing but Starcraft being in the way, and that one is highly debatable at best.

That's also acknowledging that some games like LoZ:WW and MP hadn't been released, but I doubt they would have stopped FFX given the system ownership and the quick immediate popularity FFX had.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

Yeah, the immediate aftermath of FFX's popularity was huge, for sure.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

Gotta drive back to college now, so I'll ask this...

...Goldeneye, Metal Gear Solid, and Legend Of Zelda: Majora's Mask. Rank 'em.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 10/30/2005 4:08:18 PM | #256
Yeah, but wasn't SSBM 4th in 2001? Behind MGS2 and Halo as well?

1. FF10
2. GTA3
3. SSBM
4. MGS2
5. Halo

Poll #776. Go check it. ;) Now, remember that FF10 came out ONE WEEK BEFORE CHRISTMAS. As Leonhart said, it made a huge splash very fast, then... just... died. It struggles to stay ahead of FF8 in favorite FF polls these days.


From: HaRRicH | Posted: 10/30/2005 5:19:41 PM | #266
Gotta drive back to college now, so I'll ask this...

...Goldeneye, Metal Gear Solid, and Legend Of Zelda: Majora's Mask. Rank 'em.

EEEWWW. Goldeneye on top, that's easy... but man... which one of the others do I hate less...? How about I go with redeeming features instead... Psycho Mantis or Stone Tower? Man, you're evil. I'll get back to you on that one.
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Oh, my bad, you mean in popularity. That's even harder, if it's any possible.
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A Metroid once tried to suck the life out of Jack Thompson, but was unable to find any human energy to feed on.

...Goldeneye, Metal Gear Solid, and Legend Of Zelda: Majora's Mask. Rank 'em.

Personally: MM, MGS, GE.
General popularity: GE = MGS > MM
Head to head contest-style: MGS beats both in close matches, GE beats MM by more.
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MGS and Goldeneye would both make mincemeat out of MM, unless the Zelda name really would = instant win.

As for MGS v. Goldeneye, I keep flip-flopping on that one...would MGS benefit from newer releases getting people to play the original or would they siphon its popularity? Would the same thing apply to Goldeneye and the upcoming Perfect Dark: Zero (a stretch, I know)? Does Goldeneye's multiplayer help it age better? How much of a factor is TTS at this point? Will Goldeneye be affected by 'The Boost'? Will 'The Boost' even exist at that point or will it have faded from then? Still leaning toward 007...

Quick question--if you were to adjust MGS and/or Goldeneye upwards in light of this list, where would you put them? I'd put both their floor values at MGS2 (MGS2 would *not* beat Goldeneye), but I can't see either of them losing to Soul Calibur, either. Who knows, maybe they're both near-elites? Oh, that would be a dream...

Hey Slow, could you link me to the BOP? If there's an obvious link out there I've missed, by all means, berate me and direct me to that.
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There's always someone better.

And it looks like MGS has taken position on the top ten FAQ pages, as expected. Though if I'm looking at this right, this is the highest it has been in the FAQ standings...*ever*. That makes me kinda sad.

http://www.freewebs.com/slowflake/bop.xls
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A Metroid once tried to suck the life out of Jack Thompson, but was unable to find any human energy to feed on.

Personally: MGS > Goldeneye > MM

But in a contest setting, Majora's Mask takes it easily. It may not be a FAVORITE Zelda game, as it has no chance to make a Top 10 favorites list, but don't forget that it still carries the name "Zelda".

As for MGS and Goldeneye, MGS currently holds a bigger name than Goldeneye. Sure, Goldeneye was big during the N64 days, but in a normal contest setting with EVERYBODY voting, I think MGS takes it with the strength of its franchise.

MM > MGS > Goldeneye
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Hmm...I disagree. I'd have a hard time seeing Minish Cap take on any heavy-hitters, and I feel the same for MM (though not to the same extent, heh). I feel that if a majority of the population hasn't played/cared about the game, they're not going to give it their vote when it goes against something that they *do* care about...kind of like a stronger version of Pac-Man. I thought The Legend of Zelda's unadjusted ranking in the Games Contest was perfectly indicative of its strength--place it up against things like the original Final Fantasy and Donkey Kong and it will win, but place it up against something that people *really* care about, like Mario 3, and it falters.

Which brings me to my next question--*why* was LoZ adjusted upward in the SFF-adjusted standings?

LoZ was adjusted upward? WTF.

Perhaps someone really hates Wind Waker or something.
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A Metroid once tried to suck the life out of Jack Thompson, but was unable to find any human energy to feed on.

You know I don't feel that strongly about the Spring 2k4 x-stats. But even if you bring those up. The Legend of Zelda still ranks over both MGS2 and MGS... <_<

Really though, MM was still a mainstream console Zelda game. It came right after the most popular Zelda game, and it was also re-released in the collector's edition. Combine that with the mainstream Zelda name and I feel it takes MGS in a close one.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Personally, MGS > 007 > MM

As far as a contest goes, I've always been a fan of bringing 007 up to MGS' level (28% or so), mostly because it doesn't look right at all to see SotN so low. But now that might be too low, for both games even, and I don't think I can compare intra-generational games correctly. And if you accept the fact that 007 and MGS were both SFF'd, and SM64 was obviously SFF'd, then the only two games left in that division are R/B/Y and XG, which are pretty much useless. Perhaps we can say that FFT's floor is likely FF's value (32.24%), and bring all three games at least up there. Which is coincidentally right where MGS2 is at...Blah. I really want a games contest in the Spring.

As far as Majora's Mask goes, you might be able to say that since the original LoZ ended up at 34.5% (and that's behind potential SFF in SMB3/LoZ and FFVII/CT) that it would be difficult for MM to end up weaker than that...and I'm not sure if I'd agree. Would the fact that it's a Zelda game hold up when facing the 7th most nominated game on the site, or against a MGS game? I'm going to say no...

So MM is behind 007 and MGS, but what wins between them? I think that would be a pretty close match, and I'm not as confident in 007 being able to win a close match as I am MGS, because MGS pulled out a close win against a FF game, which is mighty impressive. So I guess I'd go with MGS.

Contest setting: MGS > 007 > MM

Same thing, heh.
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And it looks like MGS has taken position on the top ten FAQ pages, as expected. Though if I'm looking at this right, this is the highest it has been in the FAQ standings...*ever*. That makes me kinda sad.

Nay, "Peak" is nowhere near reliable in the sense of all-time peak. MGS has been much higher... it was, in fact, the overall #10 of the year in 1999.

http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/topfaqs/

(85th overall on that chart)

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Ngamer's Contest Archives: http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/

JonPen told me that there was a time not too long ago when the "Highest Ranking" thing for the FAQs reset for some reason, which is why MGS's "peak" is shown as #9 from yesterday.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

Well, MGS wasn't adjusted for potential SFF, so the jury's still out on that one. But yeah, LoZ well ahead of MGS2 seems good enough. It's not like it's ridiculously low... I mean, it just doesn't have the magic of SMB3. Whoever decided to adjust that must've gone "it just doesn't feel right", either out of spite for Wind Waker or love for Tetris.
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A Metroid once tried to suck the life out of Jack Thompson, but was unable to find any human energy to feed on.

By the way, I was rather confused by the PotD wording. Apparently, the only reason why people never owned GoldenEye was that they didn't own a Nintendo 64. I voted for "No, I just never bought it," and then I realized that there wasn't an option for those who had never played it at all despite owning the system.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

Someone needs to help Ceej with his polling options...
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I mean, I could understand those poll options if we were talking about Mario 64 instead. There aren't a whole lot of people who owned an N64 and never played that one.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

Yeah, this seems very inappropriate for the people that have played Goldeneye but never owned an N64 (i.e., all my Halo-addict friends who were weaned on my N64's GE). These poll options seem very odd to me as each game goes by...

Since I forgot to pay attention today and couldn't yesterday, could somebody give a brief run-down on how the "after-school hours" (though they're both on weekends) treated MGS and GE for their options?
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

I voted for "No, I just never bought it," and then I realized that there wasn't an option for those who had never played it at all despite owning the system.

I... don't get it. Isn't that very option for those who have a N64 but not GE?
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A Metroid once tried to suck the life out of Jack Thompson, but was unable to find any human energy to feed on.

Well, I didn't even check the MGS poll until about 8 last night, but it was at exactly 20% at that point, I recall. Haven't paid any attention to today's.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

I... don't get it. Isn't that very option for those who have a N64 but not GE?

No, that option implies that you played it but didn't buy it, which is why I voted for it. There's no option for never playing it despite owning the system.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

Where does it say you played it?
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A Metroid once tried to suck the life out of Jack Thompson, but was unable to find any human energy to feed on.

No, actually I thought that did imply that you have the system but never bought it. The question is do you own a copy of Goldeneye. With the last option being "No, I never owned an N64", one would only assume that the 4th option means that you own a N64 and just didn't buy the game.

Playing it really doesn't have anything to do with this poll... Although I think asking people if they played the game would be a much better question...
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Since I forgot to pay attention today and couldn't yesterday, could somebody give a brief run-down on how the "after-school hours" (though they're both on weekends) treated MGS and GE for their options?

I was tracking MGS pretty closely through the day, but I can't remember many specifics. I do, however, paid attention to the number of people that never played MGS. At around 4:00 EST, it reached its low point at a little less than 25%. From the day on, it gained around 3.5% or so to top out at a little over 28% when the second night vote kicked in(it had a plurality of votes for a large portion of the day). From then on it steadily lost bits of percentage until you see what you do now.

What he said. I just don't see why it implies you have to have played it.
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A Metroid once tried to suck the life out of Jack Thompson, but was unable to find any human energy to feed on.

The wording of "I just never bought it" tells me that I played it, but I just never bought it and owned it personally. That's what I got out of it. After all, all of the other polls have had a "Played but never bought" option.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

I'm surprised that a quarter of the site still has their N64s hooked up. Mine was unplugged at launch for the GC, and I don't think I've touched it since...compared to my SNES, which is still hooked up at home and is the most thriving system on my computer. <_<
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I usually have my N64 unplugged, but I can set it up pretty quickly. Matter of fact, I was playing some multiplayer Mario Kart 64 last night. Good times.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

Specifics aren't necessary, I'm just lookin' to see what went up and what went down; details are appreciated, heh, but I can work with just knowing the general ups-n-downs (and, with that option havin' gone up so much, I could reasonably think most/all the other options went down).

Appreciate it, by the way.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

I hardly played my N64 when I got my Gamecube, and I gave my brother my N64 almost two years ago when he joined the Navy. I wish I hadn't done that sometimes though, heh.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

I almost never played the N64 by myself. The beauty of that system was its wide array of excellent multiplayer games.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

My N64 is as lively as ever. I've gone on a recent spree of buying games I never bothered to buy back during the N64's prime. Those games just started costing too much ($59.99 a pop compared to $39.99 PS1 games).

But in the past two years or so I've gone and bought Paper Mario, Banjo-Tooie, WWF No Mercy, DK64, Perfect Dark, and I bought Blast Corps since I used to love the hell out of that game. I'm just mad that any game related to Mario whatsoever still goes for $14.99 and up still for N64.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."