Mario 63 1/3: The Final Insult
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

More like Mario 63.99~ M I RITE?

I'm sorry guys. *runs* >_>
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Ahem! There's LETTUCE on my boots!
http://www.geocities.com/lettucekefka/

Aw, I wanted melee higher on the list, but that's how it goes...


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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb
Crushed by Jman_gamerX8 as badly as Link beat Cloud.

That's funny; for whatever reason today, I've typed SM65 instead of SM64 first almost everytime before correcting it. Don't know what's up with that.....
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

RPGuy made an excellent post. Either Super Metroid or hopefully Starcraft would be great.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow, Advance Wars 2

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1639

The poll may be over a year an a half old but I wouldn't expect a major swing in the results if it was done again now. I don't see board voters being overwhelimingly part of that 26% that prefer Super Metroid to aLttp. aLttp's relativly low seed was just a fluke. The "Top 100 games" topic on the SNES general board called the seeding in the Spring Contest almost perfectly with the exception being aLttp getting a much lower seed thet expected. If Super Metroid does make it in, it won't be at aLttp's expense.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

plus, here's the SNES board's top 100 games:

Rank. Game ( Points ) Votes - #1 Votes

01. Chrono Trigger ( 2253 ) 299 - 85
02. Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past ( 2242 ) 331 - 58
03. Final Fantasy VI ( 1855 ) 253 - 55
04. Super Mario World ( 1805 ) 292 - 38
05. Super Metroid ( 1382 ) 221 - 28
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xyzzy

That poll keeps me questioning why SM just feels like it could make the list at LoZ:LttP's expense. My head and our logic can barely justify it if we tried, but the gut feeling...eery. I'm still thinkin' SM64 > LoZ:LttP > SM as far as likelihood, but it's up in the air.

I hope CT is up tomorrow just to keep us guessing longer and give us another mystery to solve in the meanwhile.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

Out of the Super 7 I didn't have FFVI and LttP

My Top 10 is

1. Final Fantasy VII
2. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
3. Super Mario Bros. 3
4. Chrono Trigger
5. Super Smash Bros. Melee
6. Super Mario 64
7. GoldenEye 007
8. Final Fantasy X
9. Halo
10. Resident Evil 4

Now if SM64 appears tomorrow and I get the rest right and RE4 doesn't rank so low then I'll be good.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld battle, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

Contrast what SM got on LttP with what 007 and SM64 got on OoT and with what MGS got on FFVII...pretty similar all around. Yes, LttP isn't as strong as OoT or FFVII, but FFVII is stronger than OoT, MGS did better on FFVII than 007 on OoT, and 007 still beat out MGS in this top 10. The point I'm trying to make is that contest strength doesn't matter...LttP killed SM but SM was 3 seeds higher and that's more important in this setting. If LttP's low seed was just a fluke, then it makes it in with no problems. But we thought that 007 getting a higher seed than SM64 was just a fluke, and, well, 007 is on the list and SM64 probably isn't.

I'm pretty confident (say, 75%+) that our last 5 games are FFVII, OoT, SMB3, CT, and LttP, but if anything is going to miss that list it's probably LttP and if anything is going to upset that list it's probably SM.
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pi

I dunno why, but I'm getting the feeling the 32/64 generation is the generation a lot of the boards grew up with, and is therefore going to get the edge. thinking that, I wouldn't be amazed if the list went something like this:

1. FF7/OOT
2. OOT/FF7
3. M64/CT
4. CT/M64
5. LTTP

..with Mario 3 having the problem of splitting votes with Mario World / being quite old to a lot of gamers here. so far, 007 and MGS (both 32/64 games) have done very well, while FF6 (16) was perceived to have underperformed. just a thought.

I hope CT is up tomorrow just to keep us guessing longer and give us another mystery to solve in the meanwhile.

this was my first thought about SSBM - "sweet, another day of speculation over who's getting the shaft."
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xyzzy

Yeah, but SSBM > CT. CT shoulda been today. =P
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

I thought CT was coming today... it never seems to have great nom strength.

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Explicit Content, Thrusting Harder Than Ever
Cheer Up Emo Kids.

you, my friend, are mistaken. :)

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xyzzy

CT had more nomination strength than LTTP.. so, if you believe LTTP's making the list, CT should be above it. I would trust CT's nomination strength over Crono's.
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xyzzy

..with Mario 3 having the problem of splitting votes with Mario World / being quite old to a lot of gamers here.

Mario 3 is timeless, and for most it is THE Mario game. The Spring Contest should be proof enough of that. Plus, the GBA re-release sold quite well, if I'm not mistaken.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

it did sell well. so did Mario World, if I remember right. I don't know if Mario 3 is "the" Mario game as much as people think - a lot of people prefer World. throw in Mario 64 and it may not get enough votes.

Mario 3 will beat out World, but I'm not sure if either make it.

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xyzzy

A lot of people may prefer Mario World, but Mario 3 still did nearly 7% better on Chrono Trigger.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

and LTTP did 1-2% better (I forget which) than Mario 3.

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xyzzy

LttP's got nothing to do with Mario 3 being THE Mario game.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

Mario 3 is -the- 2d Mario game; LTTP is -the- 2d Zelda game. throw in that it's a generation older, has competition from SMW and that Zelda > Mario on GF and it may get squeezed.


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xyzzy

earthbound for numba 5
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currently playing: castlevania dos. lunar dragon song, advance wars ds, fire emblem 6, maximo 2

I don't see that preventing Mario 3 from making the list. The game is timeless. Being from the 8 bit era doesn't hurt it.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

you know, this makes me wonder:

Mario World or Zelda 1, who you got?

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xyzzy

being 8 bit nintendo deffinenetly doesnt hurt it. its almost the "cool" thing to do these days(Liking old school games)
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currently playing: castlevania dos. lunar dragon song, advance wars ds, fire emblem 6, maximo 2

Do you own Super Smash Bros. Melee?

At 12:00 PM GameFAQs-time:
Yes, and I've played it with 3 others at once 51.27% 18059
Yes, but I've never played with all 4 11.5% 4051
No, but I used to 6.73% 2370
No, it's not my kind of game 8.81% 3102
No, I never owned a GameCube 21.7% 7643
TOTAL VOTES 35225

At 5:00 PM GameFAQs-time:
Yes, and I've played it with 3 others at once 53.69% 30380
Yes, but I've never played with all 4 11.02% 6238
No, but I used to 6.63% 3753
No, it's not my kind of game 7.86% 4450
No, I never owned a GameCube 20.79% 11764
TOTAL VOTES 56585

Between 12:00 and 5:00 GameFAQs-time:
Yes, and I've played it with 3 others at once 57.68% 12321
Yes, but I've never played with all 4 10.24% 2187
No, but I used to 6.47% 1383
No, it's not my kind of game 6.31% 1348
No, I never owned a GameCube 19.29% 4121
TOTAL VOTES 21360


SSBM simply decimated with the after-school vote, as expected. Nintendo was already well-known to have most of its reps be at least decent with this time-frame's vote, and SSBM is likely a very strong reason why. The after-school vote was pushin' for 58% of people who own the game AND have gotten three other people to join in simultaneously (not counting others who may've played with them before)...that's a very good job. The bottom two options dropped alot too, which only helps it. It's a lil' unusual to see "Yes, but I've never played with all 4" drop, though it can be taken as a hint that casuals ALSO got the game for the multi-player, and not just the more hardcore (not that this is some mystery though). "No, but I used to" also dropped, though that likely doesn't mean anything worth noting.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

They're .25% apart in the Spring Contest stats with LoZ having the edge, which you obviously should take with a grain of salt. Zelda being king here might make the difference. My gut would tell me to pick Mario World though.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

I would take Mario World as well, but I have no confidence in that pick at all.


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xyzzy

Gimme SMW; in a match so close and when the game I like more is also newer as well as Mario showing he's SFF-proof in MOST cases (don't remind me of SM64/LoZ:OoT), I'll stick with it and run. To be fair, there's not really anything proven about anything LOZ-related to be SFF'd (outside of Link/Ganon, duh), but I'm gonna hold on to SMW nonetheless.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

Well, there's always the possibility that Mario 3 SFF'd LoZ, so ya never know.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

Like I said, proven.

I wouldn't put it out of the question, but I think the LoZ title held on true enough to avoid SFF. I also don't trust the idea of LoZ > LoZ:WW if you account for enough SFF (which, goin' by memory, wouldn't be all that much of an adjustment).
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

It'd take about a 3% adjustment.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

Head to head, would anybody take SSBM over any other member of the Super Seven?
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

I would, over FF6. everything else is messy because it involves SFF.

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xyzzy

I'd take SSBM over SMB3 and FFVI, though I'd be just a little bit worried.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.

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I would be a little worried taking SSBM over SMB3 but I wouldn't be worried taking it over FFVI.

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Eagerly awaiting Kingdom Hearts II & Final Fantasy XII

SMB3 is the only one I could bring myself to take SSBM over, simply due to the generation-difference. However, I had SSBM/SMB3 at #4/#5 on my list in this contest, and we see how that's lookin' now.....
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

Age does NOT hurt Mario 3. It just doesn't. The game has aged better than just about any other. I wouldn't DARE take Melee over it, but it seems a lot of people love to overestimate its strength.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

Age does NOT hurt Mario 3. It just doesn't. The game has aged better than just about any other. I wouldn't DARE take Melee over it, but it seems a lot of people love to overestimate its strength.

Yes, yes it does. SMB3 was out of date by 1991.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.

Which is why it's the 5th strongest game in the Spring Contest, right?
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

you don't have to believe it's aged to believe it'd lose to SSBM in a match. people have different opinions of Melee, some of which think it's legitimately stronger than Mario 3.
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xyzzy

I'm just saying that, if Mario 3 were to lose to Melee, it wouldn't be due to age. I don't think it'd lose to it anyhow, but still.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

FF7 > CT > SMB3 in the Game Contest...had it simply been FF7 > SMB3, I firmly believe it would have gotten less than 39.9% as the stats predicted (though not necessarily alot less). Also notice that SSBM was what repped its division against FF7 and how FE7, the weakest game in its division and behind FFTA/FFX SFF, is still nearly on par with Pokemon G/S/C...

...you see where I'm goin' with that though, and I know we disagree on SMB3 being as timeless as we each argue. There's no doubt it's anything but forgotten, but SMB3 would become a battle of "THE game of the original generation" VS "THE game of the current generation" which both happen to be Nintendo. When the new systems get released this upcoming year and the new influx of gamers will likely be younger than what we have now, I wonder which will have an advantage. Even if we held a head-to-head poll between them today, the advantage simply can't help but go to SSBM in that sense (though SMB3 still has the x-stat advantage).

It'd be a toss-up for sure.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

Eh, I still think you guys continually overestimate SSBM, but whatever.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

I'd take SSBM over FFVI.
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Jman_gamerX8 has owned us with his sexy plumber bracket.

SMB3 > FFVI > SSBM
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pi

FFX > SSBM with a balanced picture, yo.
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Raiden: "They said you were dead."
Snake: "No, not me. There are still too many things I need to do."

X-stats predict SSBM to get 47.08% against SMB3 a year and a half ago, and since then SSBM has gained steam (as seen by Summer 2k5), probably by being packaged with systems as of late. Given that SMB3 is, what, about ten years older than SSBM and that the main demographic here is 14-17 year olds, it's not unreasonable at all and is a sexy upset pick.

Also, yes, I acknowledge SMB3 got remade for both the GBA and for Super Mario All-Stars, but the point is that, by all means without gettin' nit-picky, SSBM is a good deal newer than SMB3 and is the game of our generation and Nintendo's generation.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He would die in your honor, then come back like Jesus...but without the religion part.

FFX > SSBM > LttP
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Jman_gamerX8 has owned us with his sexy plumber bracket.