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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 268
From: UltimaterializerX
| Posted: 10/21/2005 4:26:36 PM | Message Detail
1) Link [50.00%]: 48.39%-54.56%
2) Cloud Strife [47.56%]: 47.56%-51.61% (Summer 2002)
3) Sephiroth [45.06%]: 43.00%-45.47% (Summer 2003)
4) Mario [39.59%]: 37.47%-43.20% (Summer 2004)
5) Samus [38.21%]: 38.21%-42.36% (Summer 2003)
6) Crono [36.54%]: 37.43%-39.87%
7) Mega Man [35.55%]: 38.60%-38.79% (Summer 2002)
8) Sonic the Hedgehog [35.28%]: 33.56%-38.50% (Summer 2002)
*9) Ganondorf [34.72%]: 32.38%-35.97% (Summer 2005)
10) Solid Snake [33.88%]: 35.23%-36.97% (Summer 2004)
******11) Bowser [33.49%]: 34.79%-36.54% (Summer 2003; Summer 2004)
12) Vincent Valentine [32.60%]: 35.58%
13) Squall Leonhart [32.22%]: 31.72%-35.16% (Summer 2002)
******14) Kirby [32.06%]: 28.54%-34.99% (Summer 2002; Summer 2003)
15)*Auron [31.87%]: 28.73%-30.88%
16) Zelda [30.89%]: 33.71%
17) Tifa Lockheart [30.77%]: 33.57%
18) Dante [29.99%]: 27.33%-32.73% (Summer 2002)
19) Knuckles [29.77%]: 32.49% (Summer 2002; Summer 2003; Summer 2004)
20) Zero [29.41%]: 32.09%-33.96%
21) Magus [29.26%]: 31.93% (Summer 2003; Summer 2004)
22) Luigi [28.7%]: 31.32% (Summer 2003; Summer 2004)
**23) Sora [28.43%]: 28.93% (Summer 2003; Summer 2005)
24) Master Chief [28.29%]: 26.15%-30.87% (Summer 2004)
25) Donkey Kong [27.84%]: 23.55%-25.34% (Summer 2002; Summer 2005)
26) Ryu [27.47%]: 29.98%-34.62%
27) Tidus [27.16%]: 27.19%-29.63% (Summer 2003)
*28) Yuna [26.94%]: 23.66%-26.10%
29) Yoshi [26.59%]: 27.05%-29.01%
**30) Alucard [25.38%]: 22.70%-27.95% (Summer 2005)
31) Leon Kennedy [25.20%]: 27.50%
32) Vivi [24.98%]: 27.05%-27.26%
33) Rikku [24.33%]: 26.55%
***34) Pac-Man [23.35%]: 20.30%-22.28%
35) Frog [22.88%]: 24.97% (Summer 2004)
36) Chun-Li [22.84%]: 24.92%
***37) Revolver Ocelot [22.78%]: 21.72%-23.66%
**38) Kratos [22.58%]: 20.40%
*****39) Ness [22.28%]: 20.53% (Summer 2003)
40) Diablo [22.20%]: 24.22%-25.04%
41) Riku [22.12%]: 24.13%
42) Ryu Hayabusa [21.76%]: 22.14%-23.75%
43) Tommy Vercetti [21.30%]: 23.25%-25.92%
44) Gordon Freeman [20.88%]: 22.78% (Summer 2002; Summer 2003; Summer 2004)
45) Kefka [20.82%]: 22.71%-23.66% (Summer 2003)
*****46) Carl Johnson [19.99%]: 18.42%
47) Sam Fisher [19.62%]: 16.12%-21.41% (Summer 2003)
48) KOS-MOS [19.52%]: 21.30%-22.96%
49) Kratos Aurion [19.19%]: 20.94%
*50) Big Boss [18.19%]: 17.62%
51) CATS [17.64%]: 13.30%-19.24%
****52) Vyse [17.61%]: 19.05%-19.21% (Summer 2005)
53) Terra [17.10%]: 18.65%
54) Conker [17.05%]: 17.55%-18.61%
55) Zidane [17.02%]: 18.57%
56) Jin Kazama [16.83%]: 18.37%
**57) Agent 47 [16.64%]: 15.04%
58) Geno [16.22%]: 17.69%
59) Cecil [15.90%]: 17.35%
60) Lloyd Irving [15.73%]: 17.17%
61) Joanna Dark [15.12%]: 16.50%
62) King of All Cosmos [14.91%]: 16.27%
63) Wesker [14.26%]: 13.63%-15.56%
64) Laharl [14.01%]: 15.28%
65) Kerrigan [13.70%]: 14.95%
66) Manny Calavera [10.78%]: 11.76%
67) Yuri Hyuga [9.69%]: 10.57%
2) Cloud Strife [47.56%]: 47.56%-51.61% (Summer 2002)
3) Sephiroth [45.06%]: 43.00%-45.47% (Summer 2003)
4) Mario [39.59%]: 37.47%-43.20% (Summer 2004)
5) Samus [38.21%]: 38.21%-42.36% (Summer 2003)
6) Crono [36.54%]: 37.43%-39.87%
7) Mega Man [35.55%]: 38.60%-38.79% (Summer 2002)
8) Sonic the Hedgehog [35.28%]: 33.56%-38.50% (Summer 2002)
*9) Ganondorf [34.72%]: 32.38%-35.97% (Summer 2005)
10) Solid Snake [33.88%]: 35.23%-36.97% (Summer 2004)
******11) Bowser [33.49%]: 34.79%-36.54% (Summer 2003; Summer 2004)
12) Vincent Valentine [32.60%]: 35.58%
13) Squall Leonhart [32.22%]: 31.72%-35.16% (Summer 2002)
******14) Kirby [32.06%]: 28.54%-34.99% (Summer 2002; Summer 2003)
15)*Auron [31.87%]: 28.73%-30.88%
16) Zelda [30.89%]: 33.71%
17) Tifa Lockheart [30.77%]: 33.57%
18) Dante [29.99%]: 27.33%-32.73% (Summer 2002)
19) Knuckles [29.77%]: 32.49% (Summer 2002; Summer 2003; Summer 2004)
20) Zero [29.41%]: 32.09%-33.96%
21) Magus [29.26%]: 31.93% (Summer 2003; Summer 2004)
22) Luigi [28.7%]: 31.32% (Summer 2003; Summer 2004)
**23) Sora [28.43%]: 28.93% (Summer 2003; Summer 2005)
24) Master Chief [28.29%]: 26.15%-30.87% (Summer 2004)
25) Donkey Kong [27.84%]: 23.55%-25.34% (Summer 2002; Summer 2005)
26) Ryu [27.47%]: 29.98%-34.62%
27) Tidus [27.16%]: 27.19%-29.63% (Summer 2003)
*28) Yuna [26.94%]: 23.66%-26.10%
29) Yoshi [26.59%]: 27.05%-29.01%
**30) Alucard [25.38%]: 22.70%-27.95% (Summer 2005)
31) Leon Kennedy [25.20%]: 27.50%
32) Vivi [24.98%]: 27.05%-27.26%
33) Rikku [24.33%]: 26.55%
***34) Pac-Man [23.35%]: 20.30%-22.28%
35) Frog [22.88%]: 24.97% (Summer 2004)
36) Chun-Li [22.84%]: 24.92%
***37) Revolver Ocelot [22.78%]: 21.72%-23.66%
**38) Kratos [22.58%]: 20.40%
*****39) Ness [22.28%]: 20.53% (Summer 2003)
40) Diablo [22.20%]: 24.22%-25.04%
41) Riku [22.12%]: 24.13%
42) Ryu Hayabusa [21.76%]: 22.14%-23.75%
43) Tommy Vercetti [21.30%]: 23.25%-25.92%
44) Gordon Freeman [20.88%]: 22.78% (Summer 2002; Summer 2003; Summer 2004)
45) Kefka [20.82%]: 22.71%-23.66% (Summer 2003)
*****46) Carl Johnson [19.99%]: 18.42%
47) Sam Fisher [19.62%]: 16.12%-21.41% (Summer 2003)
48) KOS-MOS [19.52%]: 21.30%-22.96%
49) Kratos Aurion [19.19%]: 20.94%
*50) Big Boss [18.19%]: 17.62%
51) CATS [17.64%]: 13.30%-19.24%
****52) Vyse [17.61%]: 19.05%-19.21% (Summer 2005)
53) Terra [17.10%]: 18.65%
54) Conker [17.05%]: 17.55%-18.61%
55) Zidane [17.02%]: 18.57%
56) Jin Kazama [16.83%]: 18.37%
**57) Agent 47 [16.64%]: 15.04%
58) Geno [16.22%]: 17.69%
59) Cecil [15.90%]: 17.35%
60) Lloyd Irving [15.73%]: 17.17%
61) Joanna Dark [15.12%]: 16.50%
62) King of All Cosmos [14.91%]: 16.27%
63) Wesker [14.26%]: 13.63%-15.56%
64) Laharl [14.01%]: 15.28%
65) Kerrigan [13.70%]: 14.95%
66) Manny Calavera [10.78%]: 11.76%
67) Yuri Hyuga [9.69%]: 10.57%
From: XxSoulxX
| Posted: 10/21/2005 4:31:26 PM | Message Detail
Heh, I was wantin' to mention Ms. Pac-Man...but, if Yoshi supposedly
SFF'd Pac-Man and Mega Man supposedly SFF'd Yoshi, then I would hate to
imagine what Mega Man did to Ms. Pac-Man.
Would this mean that Mega Man SFF'd Ms. Pac-Man?
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Xenobi lost everything he owned in Katrina, works 60 hours a week, and still had time to own me!
I just got GURU'D by Jman_gamerX8!
Would this mean that Mega Man SFF'd Ms. Pac-Man?
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Xenobi lost everything he owned in Katrina, works 60 hours a week, and still had time to own me!
I just got GURU'D by Jman_gamerX8!
From: Vlado
| Posted: 10/21/2005 4:38:33 PM | Message Detail
OK, Ulti asked me to post this for him:
*I adjusted Ganon based off the fact that he and Bowser faced Sephiroth two days apart from one another with Ganon doing better, yet being lower in these stats. I was going to adjust Ganon based on Spring 2005, but this would have put him ahead of Sonic and Mega Man. I instead simply gave him his 2004 adjusted value, because it puts him in between Snake and Sonic where I think he belongs. Note that this adjustment affected Big Boss, Yuna, and most notably Auron.
**While I'm not willing to blame pure SFF for Sora bombing, something screwed up happened in his match against Snake and I don't believe Alucard is as weak as the final stats suggest. As a result I adjusted Sora based off of Ryu Hayabusa's 2005 value with relation to what Sora did against Ryu H in 2004, and adjusted Alucard, Kratos and Agent 47 as needed. This also allowed me to throw out Sora and Alucard's 2005 BL numbers when making the ranges.
***For Ocelot, I adjusted him and Pac Man based on Ocelot's Spring 2005 match with Bowser. Yoshi was adjusted separate from Ocelot and Pac Man based upon a constant Laharl in creative's stats. This assumes SFF in the match between Yoshi and Pac Man, thus me not linking Yoshi and Pac Man together when adjusting. I simply left creativename's numbers alone in this case.
****Vyse was adjusted based on his 2004 match with Laharl and the assumption that Tifa SFFd him, because seeing Vyse below Laharl one year after going 60-40 on him makes no sense.
*****Ness and CJ were adjusted based on Ness's 2004 match with Auron. The value was derived after I made Auron's 2005 adjustment because it gives Ness the highest value possible and I'm a biased bastard when it involves EarthBound <_<
******I considered adjusting Kirby or Bowser based on possible rSFF, but doing so would have put Kirby below Squall and Tidus below Yuna, two things I'm not willing to accept. Other adjustments I considered for Bowser involved a direct relation to Spring 2005 Ganondorf or simply subbing in the 2003 value, but these put him too high and low respectively. It looks weird to see these two characters so high, but leaving them alone seems like the best option.
Note also that there are times in which the ranges conflict with my Xst values due to doing nothing more than looking at all of creative's numbers instead of making ranges based off of my adjustments; I simply looked at all of creative's BL numbers and went with ranges based off of them (all of which should be taken with a massive grain of salt, as I only did the ranges for fun), and Pac Man, Kratos GoW and Ness are all good examples of this. My Ness adjustment, for instance, has Ness at 22.28% in the 2005 stats; yet his "range" is simply his BL number from Summer 2004/2005.
In short, the numbers on the left are my numbers, while the numbers on the right are ranges based off of creative's numbers on Base Link. There's a difference there out of my own laziness in not transferring my adjustments to BL values, though neither should really be used to pick who will win. I was just bored and felt like putting a table at the end of my PCA <_<
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"Cloud... Words aren't the only thing that tells people what you're thinking..." - Tifa
*I adjusted Ganon based off the fact that he and Bowser faced Sephiroth two days apart from one another with Ganon doing better, yet being lower in these stats. I was going to adjust Ganon based on Spring 2005, but this would have put him ahead of Sonic and Mega Man. I instead simply gave him his 2004 adjusted value, because it puts him in between Snake and Sonic where I think he belongs. Note that this adjustment affected Big Boss, Yuna, and most notably Auron.
**While I'm not willing to blame pure SFF for Sora bombing, something screwed up happened in his match against Snake and I don't believe Alucard is as weak as the final stats suggest. As a result I adjusted Sora based off of Ryu Hayabusa's 2005 value with relation to what Sora did against Ryu H in 2004, and adjusted Alucard, Kratos and Agent 47 as needed. This also allowed me to throw out Sora and Alucard's 2005 BL numbers when making the ranges.
***For Ocelot, I adjusted him and Pac Man based on Ocelot's Spring 2005 match with Bowser. Yoshi was adjusted separate from Ocelot and Pac Man based upon a constant Laharl in creative's stats. This assumes SFF in the match between Yoshi and Pac Man, thus me not linking Yoshi and Pac Man together when adjusting. I simply left creativename's numbers alone in this case.
****Vyse was adjusted based on his 2004 match with Laharl and the assumption that Tifa SFFd him, because seeing Vyse below Laharl one year after going 60-40 on him makes no sense.
*****Ness and CJ were adjusted based on Ness's 2004 match with Auron. The value was derived after I made Auron's 2005 adjustment because it gives Ness the highest value possible and I'm a biased bastard when it involves EarthBound <_<
******I considered adjusting Kirby or Bowser based on possible rSFF, but doing so would have put Kirby below Squall and Tidus below Yuna, two things I'm not willing to accept. Other adjustments I considered for Bowser involved a direct relation to Spring 2005 Ganondorf or simply subbing in the 2003 value, but these put him too high and low respectively. It looks weird to see these two characters so high, but leaving them alone seems like the best option.
Note also that there are times in which the ranges conflict with my Xst values due to doing nothing more than looking at all of creative's numbers instead of making ranges based off of my adjustments; I simply looked at all of creative's BL numbers and went with ranges based off of them (all of which should be taken with a massive grain of salt, as I only did the ranges for fun), and Pac Man, Kratos GoW and Ness are all good examples of this. My Ness adjustment, for instance, has Ness at 22.28% in the 2005 stats; yet his "range" is simply his BL number from Summer 2004/2005.
In short, the numbers on the left are my numbers, while the numbers on the right are ranges based off of creative's numbers on Base Link. There's a difference there out of my own laziness in not transferring my adjustments to BL values, though neither should really be used to pick who will win. I was just bored and felt like putting a table at the end of my PCA <_<
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"Cloud... Words aren't the only thing that tells people what you're thinking..." - Tifa
From: UltimaterializerX
| Posted: 10/21/2005 7:44:51 PM | Message Detail
Thanks, Vlad :)
~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, Advance Wars 2, We <3 Katamari
~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, Advance Wars 2, We <3 Katamari
From: UltimaterializerX
| Posted: 10/21/2005 8:18:18 PM | Message Detail
For the curious, I got hit by the sql bug right as I was in the middle of posting my stats. Talk about t3h suck.
~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, Advance Wars 2, We <3 Katamari
~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, Advance Wars 2, We <3 Katamari
From: Slowflake
| Posted: 10/22/2005 4:34:04 AM | Message Detail
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 10/21/2005 5:57:22 PM | #148
So I submitted a feedback ticket to suggest a "Favorite TOS Character" poll...
Message From GameFAQs at 2005-10-21 21:07:19
The majority of site users haven't played ToS, unfortunately.
Damn.
Umm... duh? When the best a character from the game can hope to do is be even with Ridley, it's fairly obvious the player base is too small for that kind of thing. (For the record, I'm pretty sure neither Zelos nor Sheena would've done any better.)
If you want, you could run a board poll about it (and be, ahem, moderately successful because of who you are, duh). After all, many people here played and loved ToS (it's not three miles ahead of every other write-in in the favorites section of the BOP for nothing).
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I took a test today, at the free clinic for Hepatitis. Kicked ass too, got an A, two Bs, and a C. -Rezzman
So I submitted a feedback ticket to suggest a "Favorite TOS Character" poll...
Message From GameFAQs at 2005-10-21 21:07:19
The majority of site users haven't played ToS, unfortunately.
Damn.
Umm... duh? When the best a character from the game can hope to do is be even with Ridley, it's fairly obvious the player base is too small for that kind of thing. (For the record, I'm pretty sure neither Zelos nor Sheena would've done any better.)
If you want, you could run a board poll about it (and be, ahem, moderately successful because of who you are, duh). After all, many people here played and loved ToS (it's not three miles ahead of every other write-in in the favorites section of the BOP for nothing).
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I took a test today, at the free clinic for Hepatitis. Kicked ass too, got an A, two Bs, and a C. -Rezzman
From: steve illumina
| Posted: 10/22/2005 4:26:04 PM | Message Detail
I leave for a few months and I come back and what do I see? Another FFVII is assured of victory contest...
These fanbabies need to get a life...
Now excuse me while I call Best Buy to check on my Advent Children reservation...
*giggles*
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Steve Illumina: 'Sage of Board 8', Adored by Elites, Hated by Fanbabies, Loved by Girly Gamers!
These fanbabies need to get a life...
Now excuse me while I call Best Buy to check on my Advent Children reservation...
*giggles*
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Steve Illumina: 'Sage of Board 8', Adored by Elites, Hated by Fanbabies, Loved by Girly Gamers!
From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 10/22/2005 4:39:23 PM | Message Detail
I wouldn't be surprised if Mrs. Pac-Man under-performed against Mega
Man, no. If nobody really cares about Pac-Man, if Luigi and/or Yoshi
SFF'd Pac-Man, and if Mega Man SFF'd Yoshi...it's not unreasonable.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He, too, hates the Black Eyed Peas. Enough said.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He, too, hates the Black Eyed Peas. Enough said.
From: Haste2
| Posted: 10/22/2005 5:31:11 PM | Message Detail
Let's pretend Pac-Man/Yoshi and Mega Man/Yoshi predict Mega Man/Yoshi accurately...
I bet it wouldn't be far off...Link/Yoshi through Link/Mega Man and Mega Man/Yoshi is quite accurate if you assume Yoshi benefitted a decent amount from The Boost. Oh, and assuming Mega Man was constant between years, and he's close enough to that.
So, perhaps Mega Man would beat Pac-Man with about 82.66% this year with SFF, as opposed to an expected 71.28% without. That's about 60% of Pac-Man's strength. So, it looks like Ms. Pac-Man might actually be worth 13% on Mega Man or more (since weaker characters tend to suffer worse SFF). So, perhaps Ms. Pac-Man is over 10% on BL. =P
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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."
I bet it wouldn't be far off...Link/Yoshi through Link/Mega Man and Mega Man/Yoshi is quite accurate if you assume Yoshi benefitted a decent amount from The Boost. Oh, and assuming Mega Man was constant between years, and he's close enough to that.
So, perhaps Mega Man would beat Pac-Man with about 82.66% this year with SFF, as opposed to an expected 71.28% without. That's about 60% of Pac-Man's strength. So, it looks like Ms. Pac-Man might actually be worth 13% on Mega Man or more (since weaker characters tend to suffer worse SFF). So, perhaps Ms. Pac-Man is over 10% on BL. =P
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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."
From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 10/22/2005 5:47:23 PM | Message Detail
I think we should just all agree on how much Mega Man should NOT have
been in that 2k2 four-pack. Ah, if only CATS could have taken Mega
Man's place.....
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He, too, hates the Black Eyed Peas. Enough said.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Jay Solano for 2k6.
Why? He, too, hates the Black Eyed Peas. Enough said.
From: DomaDragoon
| Posted: 10/23/2005 10:38:22 AM | Message Detail
Anyway, I just got around to making my contest entry, and I'll be
posting it right now just to make sure I don't forget. As usual for Top
___ lists, I just chose randomly from a large list of my favourites.
Personal:
1. FF Tactics
2. Disgaea: Hour of Darkness
3. Tetris
4. Unreal Tournament
5. Lemmings
6. Planescape: Torment
7. Fallout 2
8. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
9. Tetris Attack
10. Shining Force II
GameFAQs:
1. FF VII
2. OoT
3. SMB3
4. Chrono Trigger
5. Halo
6. Link to the Past
7. FFX
8. Vice City
9. Super Mario World
10. SSBM
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Season 21 Team Match: Ghaleon, Jack, Cait Sith, Rebecca vs. Tir McDohl, Zeal, Ursula, Adray. Only at www.rpgdl.com!
Personal:
1. FF Tactics
2. Disgaea: Hour of Darkness
3. Tetris
4. Unreal Tournament
5. Lemmings
6. Planescape: Torment
7. Fallout 2
8. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
9. Tetris Attack
10. Shining Force II
GameFAQs:
1. FF VII
2. OoT
3. SMB3
4. Chrono Trigger
5. Halo
6. Link to the Past
7. FFX
8. Vice City
9. Super Mario World
10. SSBM
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Season 21 Team Match: Ghaleon, Jack, Cait Sith, Rebecca vs. Tir McDohl, Zeal, Ursula, Adray. Only at www.rpgdl.com!
From: voltch
| Posted: 10/23/2005 11:15:36 AM | Message Detail
by the way now that i think about it didn't ceej miss some anniversary contests occassionaly?
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Nominate CATS,Jay Solano,Weedle and Ifnkovhgroghprm for sc2k6
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Nominate CATS,Jay Solano,Weedle and Ifnkovhgroghprm for sc2k6
From: Slowflake
| Posted: 10/23/2005 3:27:05 PM | Message Detail
I don't know why I'm thinking of this now, but remember that poll
asking how people vote in PotDs? (I can't seem to find it, but there
was one). Well, I wonder how a similar poll about contest polls would
look like. How many vote for their favorite, for the top/bottom option,
for the top/bottom seed, for who'd win in a fight, for who looks
better, for their bracket.
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A Metroid once tried to suck the life out of Jack Thompson, but was unable to find any human energy to feed on.
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A Metroid once tried to suck the life out of Jack Thompson, but was unable to find any human energy to feed on.
From: Aprosenf
| Posted: 10/23/2005 9:45:25 PM | Message Detail
2/1/2004: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1516
I'm not sure if there's been a more recent one or not. In any case, I'm not sure how useful the data is. Despite what it says, I'd be willing to be that at least 95-96% answer honestly, if not more. Outside of the contests, there's usually no real reason to not answer honestly unless there's a joke answer.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener
I'm not sure if there's been a more recent one or not. In any case, I'm not sure how useful the data is. Despite what it says, I'd be willing to be that at least 95-96% answer honestly, if not more. Outside of the contests, there's usually no real reason to not answer honestly unless there's a joke answer.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener
From: Lopen
| Posted: 10/23/2005 9:59:27 PM | Message Detail
Not sure if anyone's suggested this yet, but I'm just going to randomly throw my theory out on the Devil Division now.
Squall "SFFed" Vincent... after all, the hero being higher than optional on many of the overlapping character pecking orders doesn't seem too bold. Vincent didn't skyrocket because of AC, and that's his real strength against Crono. Adjust Squall down to about 45.5% (okay, maybe not that much... but Dante > Squall, damn it!) on Vincent, and Knuckles doesn't boost nearly as much, and Magus is closer to Tidus.
Of course, I also may have picked that because it makes Dante look better. Who knows? I just think Dante, Kerrigan, and Terra look fine where they are... actually that's about where I would've called them before the contest. (Kerrigan a bit higher... but eh)
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Squall: "Hi, like Cloud from the last game, I am full of angst and am named after weather."
-Slow Beef
Squall "SFFed" Vincent... after all, the hero being higher than optional on many of the overlapping character pecking orders doesn't seem too bold. Vincent didn't skyrocket because of AC, and that's his real strength against Crono. Adjust Squall down to about 45.5% (okay, maybe not that much... but Dante > Squall, damn it!) on Vincent, and Knuckles doesn't boost nearly as much, and Magus is closer to Tidus.
Of course, I also may have picked that because it makes Dante look better. Who knows? I just think Dante, Kerrigan, and Terra look fine where they are... actually that's about where I would've called them before the contest. (Kerrigan a bit higher... but eh)
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Squall: "Hi, like Cloud from the last game, I am full of angst and am named after weather."
-Slow Beef
From: therealmnm
| Posted: 10/23/2005 10:40:26 PM | Message Detail
And again, I think the "hero" and "optional" thing is overrated from
the start. I highly doubt that people would pick Squall over Vincent
because Squall is a "hero" or Vincent is "optional". If any of those
really mattered, it would show up in their intrinsic strength. Besides,
if that were the case, why didn't Auron get rSFF on Sephiroth?
I'd blame an overperformance on Vincent's part before I try to put it on Squall. Like I've said, we've SEEN people overperform in their first contest appearance, particularly from Square so that they go out with a bang in their last match. Vincent is as much of a fan favorite as Frog and Magus. Plus he hails from the most popular game on this site! I don't see why fans of both him and Crono wouldn't vote for him in that instance, especially since he was destined to lose anyways....
On a side note, what the hell happened to Dirge of Cerberus? I haven't heard a thing about it since AC came out. Is it still on schedule? Or did they realize it didn't look too great initially and send it back to the lab for some more work?
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I'd blame an overperformance on Vincent's part before I try to put it on Squall. Like I've said, we've SEEN people overperform in their first contest appearance, particularly from Square so that they go out with a bang in their last match. Vincent is as much of a fan favorite as Frog and Magus. Plus he hails from the most popular game on this site! I don't see why fans of both him and Crono wouldn't vote for him in that instance, especially since he was destined to lose anyways....
On a side note, what the hell happened to Dirge of Cerberus? I haven't heard a thing about it since AC came out. Is it still on schedule? Or did they realize it didn't look too great initially and send it back to the lab for some more work?
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From: Ngamer64
| Posted: 10/24/2005 12:31:25 AM | Message Detail
Current results of today's poll have at least 8% of the site admitting
that they check Contest results before casting their vote (I say "at
least" because there's another 20% out there who check results even
more often, Contest or not). I'd have to imagine that these numbers are
going to go down as the day goes along... but if not, wow, this would
be a real kick in the teeth for that whole "99% of users just instantly
vote for the character they like/who catches their eye more, and never
give it a second thought" camp.
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From: ChichiriMuyo
| Posted: 10/24/2005 1:59:52 AM | Message Detail
Yes, clearly only 75% of GF votes without looking first.
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From: Slowflake
| Posted: 10/24/2005 5:13:27 AM | Message Detail
What would be interesting is to know how many voters are influenced
among who voted for the third and fourth options. I'm thinking maybe a
decent portion of the fourth, but not much for the third.
Still, it's funny how I ponder about voting patterns, and the next day we get a poll about voting patterns. Hehe.
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Still, it's funny how I ponder about voting patterns, and the next day we get a poll about voting patterns. Hehe.
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From: Lopen
| Posted: 10/24/2005 10:39:03 AM | Message Detail
You're taking it too literally, mnm. I'm not saying people are voting Squall because
he's the main character. I'm saying he's getting voted because he's
more likely to be "higher up in the favorites list" among FF8 + FF7
fans. He plays a (much) bigger part in the game than Vincent does. I
think Squall's fanbase would probably be more loyal than Vincent's in
the case of overlap, but Vincent's got the numbers advantage.
Squall's side of the bracket just looks too high from previous years. Even Squall himself.
Anyway, I'm repeating myself kinda. I'll adjust accordingly... ahaha!
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Squall's side of the bracket just looks too high from previous years. Even Squall himself.
Anyway, I'm repeating myself kinda. I'll adjust accordingly... ahaha!
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From: UltimaterializerX
| Posted: 10/24/2005 10:40:14 AM | Message Detail
You make sense, though I think that whatever "lead character" votes
Squall got in that match were canceled out by the anti-votes he
seemingly gets in every match.
I'm also stunned that no one has bashed my stats, especially with Ganon being above Snake.
*thrust*
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I'm also stunned that no one has bashed my stats, especially with Ganon being above Snake.
*thrust*
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From: voltch
| Posted: 10/24/2005 11:31:54 AM | Message Detail
i wonder if FF7 can ever regain the crown from link.yet no one minds link winning three times
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From: Mac Arrowny
| Posted: 10/24/2005 11:45:35 AM | Message Detail
I'm also stunned that no one has bashed my stats, especially with Ganon being above Snake.
That's because Ganon IS above Snake, duh. And next year, he'll be above Crono, Mega Man, and Sonic as well.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 10/24/2005 12:13:01 PM | Message Detail
A theory I've had on Vincent/Squall is that Vincent relied on rSFF to
win that match. I know therealmnm's not a fan of his optional status
being brought up, but Vincent is goin' to get a bigger advantage in
SFF-matches than most characters because the shared fanbase (Square,
and for this case, new-Square) will have a much sharper gain in prior
knowledge of Vincent than a match like Mario/Bowser. In a match like
Vincent/Dante and in a match like Vincent/Squall, which match will have
its voters have a higher correlation of Vincent-awareness?
I don't fully buy this yet though, seeing as how you could argue that Squall being a big deal in two huge games (FF8 and KH, which many argued brought in a new fanbase) could cancel that out (as well as the whole "lead character" thing, which I won't recognize as anything more than kinda-possible until further notice)...but, then again, we've also seen how Cloud/Squall and Aeris/Sora went, so one could question how much that really helped his case there. Obviously, Vincent is no Cloud and Sora is no Squall -- and, goin' by memory, the stats debate whether Vincent is an Aeris or not even -- but it's certainly worth considering (no matter what Leonhart said during the contest).
So, all in all, it's not a theory I believe in completely yet, but I also don't trust Vincent all that much in his last two matches. I'm cautious about him. This isn't to say I don't think he's strong; obviously, he is, and he could be at least as strong next year if not stronger...but for this year, I don't trust the last half of his run.
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I don't fully buy this yet though, seeing as how you could argue that Squall being a big deal in two huge games (FF8 and KH, which many argued brought in a new fanbase) could cancel that out (as well as the whole "lead character" thing, which I won't recognize as anything more than kinda-possible until further notice)...but, then again, we've also seen how Cloud/Squall and Aeris/Sora went, so one could question how much that really helped his case there. Obviously, Vincent is no Cloud and Sora is no Squall -- and, goin' by memory, the stats debate whether Vincent is an Aeris or not even -- but it's certainly worth considering (no matter what Leonhart said during the contest).
So, all in all, it's not a theory I believe in completely yet, but I also don't trust Vincent all that much in his last two matches. I'm cautious about him. This isn't to say I don't think he's strong; obviously, he is, and he could be at least as strong next year if not stronger...but for this year, I don't trust the last half of his run.
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From: UltimaterializerX
| Posted: 10/24/2005 12:19:10 PM | Message Detail
And next year, he'll be above Crono, Mega Man, and Sonic as well.
Maaaan, would that be awesome.
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Maaaan, would that be awesome.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 10/24/2005 12:35:52 PM | Message Detail
Ganon > Crono is fine with me...Ganon > Sonic or Mega Man is not fine with me.
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From: therealmnm
| Posted: 10/24/2005 2:42:38 PM | Message Detail
I'm also stunned that no one has bashed my stats, especially with Ganon being above Snake.
Because there are so many arguments and debates on where everyone should place in the stats that I simply don't care anymore! <_< The closer matches most likely end up being judgement calls anyways, so getting everyone's ranking to a 'T' doesn't mean much to me.
I personally don't think Ganon would beat Snake either. Just because he may be a bit stronger than Bowser doesn't mean that he should neatly fit in above Snake too. I think Snake would have taken him out as well. Besides, even if you look at the Spring Contest, Ganon isn't THAT much stronger than Bowser. Take in random fluctuation and a higher vote total for the final, and that 1.5% really isn't that much of a difference.
As for Vincent, I just think it makes more sense that he had an overperformance on Crono than it does for Squall to have an overperformance on him. Final Fantasy VII is the most popular game on this site. In addition to that, the AC craze was beginning to set in. With as much as a fan favorite as he is, I think that Vincent was just ripe for an overperformance in a match he was destined to lose.
With his matchup against Squall, I think that was more of his true strength. In a matchup that is a toss-up, I think people would back up who they truly like more. Thus I think that every vote that Squall got was legit. I can't see people voting for him in that situation when they wouldn't in another, especially against a FFVII favorite.
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Because there are so many arguments and debates on where everyone should place in the stats that I simply don't care anymore! <_< The closer matches most likely end up being judgement calls anyways, so getting everyone's ranking to a 'T' doesn't mean much to me.
I personally don't think Ganon would beat Snake either. Just because he may be a bit stronger than Bowser doesn't mean that he should neatly fit in above Snake too. I think Snake would have taken him out as well. Besides, even if you look at the Spring Contest, Ganon isn't THAT much stronger than Bowser. Take in random fluctuation and a higher vote total for the final, and that 1.5% really isn't that much of a difference.
As for Vincent, I just think it makes more sense that he had an overperformance on Crono than it does for Squall to have an overperformance on him. Final Fantasy VII is the most popular game on this site. In addition to that, the AC craze was beginning to set in. With as much as a fan favorite as he is, I think that Vincent was just ripe for an overperformance in a match he was destined to lose.
With his matchup against Squall, I think that was more of his true strength. In a matchup that is a toss-up, I think people would back up who they truly like more. Thus I think that every vote that Squall got was legit. I can't see people voting for him in that situation when they wouldn't in another, especially against a FFVII favorite.
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From: Lopen
| Posted: 10/24/2005 3:51:47 PM | Message Detail
You make sense, though I think that whatever "lead character" votes
Squall got in that match were canceled out by the anti-votes he
seemingly gets in every match
Key here is... "every match". Squall always has to face those, it's not going to affect him anymore against Vincent than it is against anyone else.
But really, the main reason I'm arguing this is because it seems more Squall's half of the division that "doesn't look right" to me. I can't lie on that. But then again, we can't really be sure of where Kerrigan and Terra should be, and I'm biased towards Dante, so I guess I could be wrong.
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-Slow Beef
Key here is... "every match". Squall always has to face those, it's not going to affect him anymore against Vincent than it is against anyone else.
But really, the main reason I'm arguing this is because it seems more Squall's half of the division that "doesn't look right" to me. I can't lie on that. But then again, we can't really be sure of where Kerrigan and Terra should be, and I'm biased towards Dante, so I guess I could be wrong.
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From: Ngamer64
| Posted: 10/24/2005 5:57:45 PM | Message Detail
*sigh* Oh chichi, there you go putting words in my mouth again.
I was simply making the observation that, when given the option, 6.5% of GameFAQs has admitted to "checking poll results before voting during Character Battles." I realize that this goes not mean they always look into current results before voting, but I also realize that there is over 1% of the site who do claim to always look beforehand, Contest or otherwise. And why would they lie about this?
Given these numbers, we can reasonably assume that, in an important/hyped/big name matchup, at the very least, 8% of potential voters are going to be checking into results before casting their own vote. To me, this insight does not coincide with what has become a common assumption within this group, namely:
I just think it's a bit ridiculous for the average voter to do anything but look at the poll and pick their favorite option. All this side BS mostly comes from us.
The 8% of voters in question can't be termed "average," of course, but nevertheless these results lead me to believe that, if 8%+ are going to these lengths, then the total number of users who give careful consideration over who to cast their vote for could potentially be substantial; certainly we've underestimated their numbers. And if they're taking the time to click on results, look them over, go back, and then finally submit something, doesn't it make sense that those of this 8% who were "on the fence" could have been the ones to make the difference in matches like Seph/Bowser or Seph/Ganon? They like Seph enough, but naturally assume he's going to win, look at the results and find that they were right, and then cast one for the underdog to help keep things more interesting. If "99% of users instantly vote for who they like more, and never give it a second though," then this idea is preposterous. But since that old assumption no longer appears to be true, I think it's entirely worthwhile to take these kinds of ulterior motives into consideration.
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I was simply making the observation that, when given the option, 6.5% of GameFAQs has admitted to "checking poll results before voting during Character Battles." I realize that this goes not mean they always look into current results before voting, but I also realize that there is over 1% of the site who do claim to always look beforehand, Contest or otherwise. And why would they lie about this?
Given these numbers, we can reasonably assume that, in an important/hyped/big name matchup, at the very least, 8% of potential voters are going to be checking into results before casting their own vote. To me, this insight does not coincide with what has become a common assumption within this group, namely:
I just think it's a bit ridiculous for the average voter to do anything but look at the poll and pick their favorite option. All this side BS mostly comes from us.
The 8% of voters in question can't be termed "average," of course, but nevertheless these results lead me to believe that, if 8%+ are going to these lengths, then the total number of users who give careful consideration over who to cast their vote for could potentially be substantial; certainly we've underestimated their numbers. And if they're taking the time to click on results, look them over, go back, and then finally submit something, doesn't it make sense that those of this 8% who were "on the fence" could have been the ones to make the difference in matches like Seph/Bowser or Seph/Ganon? They like Seph enough, but naturally assume he's going to win, look at the results and find that they were right, and then cast one for the underdog to help keep things more interesting. If "99% of users instantly vote for who they like more, and never give it a second though," then this idea is preposterous. But since that old assumption no longer appears to be true, I think it's entirely worthwhile to take these kinds of ulterior motives into consideration.
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From: Haste2
| Posted: 10/24/2005 6:29:00 PM | Message Detail
Hm...here's a semi-last minute tip before the end:
There have been only two next-gen Squaresoft games of note released this generation: Final Fantasy X and Kingdom Hearts. I don't think games like FFX-2 and FFTA will steal that many votes. With GameFAQs being Square-based...I would honestly be very surprised if neither FFX or KH made it in. One of them SHOULD make it in, and -maybe- both...I think FFX's going to ake it.
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There have been only two next-gen Squaresoft games of note released this generation: Final Fantasy X and Kingdom Hearts. I don't think games like FFX-2 and FFTA will steal that many votes. With GameFAQs being Square-based...I would honestly be very surprised if neither FFX or KH made it in. One of them SHOULD make it in, and -maybe- both...I think FFX's going to ake it.
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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."
From: Haste2
| Posted: 10/24/2005 6:30:02 PM | Message Detail
I feel like I've stated the obvious, but there sure are a lot of entries that lack FFX or KH.
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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."
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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."
From: Applause Sign
| Posted: 10/24/2005 6:31:24 PM | Message Detail
Am I the only one who thinks after the release of Soul Calibur III owl
man will make SC2K6 on the sole reason of the "O RLY?" fad?
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From: transience
| Posted: 10/24/2005 6:35:11 PM | Message Detail
I would be rather surprised if KH made it. FF10 I believe has a very
real shot, and it's currently #11 for me. I am strongly considering
bumping it to 10.. in fact, I think I'm gonna, simply because I have no
faith in Starcraft.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 10/24/2005 6:39:57 PM | Message Detail
I think KH and FFX are neck-and-neck, myself...if I had to give an
edge, eh, probably FFX, but they're pretty even; it'd be hard to
justify having one and not the other.
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From: therealmnm
| Posted: 10/24/2005 6:40:04 PM | Message Detail
I feel like I've stated the obvious, but there sure are a lot of entries that lack FFX or KH.
Yeah, but how many of those Square fans started in this generation? I'm fairly sure that FFVII, FFVI, and Chrono Trigger will be on far more of the Square fan lists than those two games. Then you have to factor in the Nintendo powerhouses, and you have a bunch of games fighting for those last spots.
I definitely don't think KH would make it since many people got the game FOR the FF characters that they love being in it, and not for the game itself. I think FFX is right on the cusp of that, but I'm seriously debating whether it is on a Top 10 list for all of GameFaqs. I chose not to go for it, with me personally not liking the game being my deciding biased factor.
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Yeah, but how many of those Square fans started in this generation? I'm fairly sure that FFVII, FFVI, and Chrono Trigger will be on far more of the Square fan lists than those two games. Then you have to factor in the Nintendo powerhouses, and you have a bunch of games fighting for those last spots.
I definitely don't think KH would make it since many people got the game FOR the FF characters that they love being in it, and not for the game itself. I think FFX is right on the cusp of that, but I'm seriously debating whether it is on a Top 10 list for all of GameFaqs. I chose not to go for it, with me personally not liking the game being my deciding biased factor.
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From: therealmnm
| Posted: 10/24/2005 6:42:37 PM | Message Detail
I would be rather surprised if KH made it. FF10 I believe has a very
real shot, and it's currently #11 for me. I am strongly considering
bumping it to 10.. in fact, I think I'm gonna, simply because I have no
faith in Starcraft.
Heh, FFX is my #11 as well. I bumped it for SMW though. Mario winning the contest and Nintendo's dominance in the contest made me feel as such.
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Heh, FFX is my #11 as well. I bumped it for SMW though. Mario winning the contest and Nintendo's dominance in the contest made me feel as such.
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From: Janus5000
| Posted: 10/24/2005 6:46:06 PM | Message Detail
*has had both FFX and KH since day 1*
KH worries me a bit, but Sora and Riku's relatively high seeds, while maybe not perfectly accurate to the noms they received, seem to indicate that KH has a nice and possibly growing fanbase.
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KH worries me a bit, but Sora and Riku's relatively high seeds, while maybe not perfectly accurate to the noms they received, seem to indicate that KH has a nice and possibly growing fanbase.
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From: Ngamer64
| Posted: 10/24/2005 8:28:50 PM | Message Detail
Speaking of this new Contest... we know that entries lock on Wed, and
we're assuming that the results will be revealed some time closer to
the anniversary date in November... but do we know that for sure? What
if CJay surprised us and posted the list on the 27th already, ruining
our Guru Contest?
Someone with Mod connections should try to get a hard and fast date for us... Or failing that, maybe you should put up the Guru entry topic tomorrow already, Ulti? Then we would be covered even in a worst-case scenario.
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Someone with Mod connections should try to get a hard and fast date for us... Or failing that, maybe you should put up the Guru entry topic tomorrow already, Ulti? Then we would be covered even in a worst-case scenario.
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From: ChichiriMuyo
| Posted: 10/24/2005 8:31:23 PM | Message Detail
I doubt it'd ruin it. Most of the gurus could be checked with their BoP
entries, but besides that the winner will very likely be listed (I'm
thinking he'll put more than the top 10, since there will be ineligible
entries).
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From: Ngamer64
| Posted: 10/24/2005 8:39:17 PM | Message Detail
Well, there are different degrees of "ruin." CJay letting out the
results before half our Gurus had submitted an entry would be a
second-degree ruining.
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From: transience
| Posted: 10/24/2005 8:47:18 PM | Message Detail
well, for KH to be in the top ten, you have to hope for one of two things:
1.) it has a big following; ie, a lot of people that like it believe it's top ten, or
2.) it got anti-voted in the game contest.
KH had trouble beating Soul Calibur and lost to the other SC. I'm not convinced Soul Calibur is that strong, and I'm sure no one has it in their top 10 lists. I don't believe 1 or 2, so I'm not expecting it up there. it's possible, sure, but not likely.
and as for the Guru, we could start submitting now if there's a fear of that - plus, I think we're all honest enough to not lie over a simple sig bet. I'd bet 75% of us are already in the BOP anyway.
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1.) it has a big following; ie, a lot of people that like it believe it's top ten, or
2.) it got anti-voted in the game contest.
KH had trouble beating Soul Calibur and lost to the other SC. I'm not convinced Soul Calibur is that strong, and I'm sure no one has it in their top 10 lists. I don't believe 1 or 2, so I'm not expecting it up there. it's possible, sure, but not likely.
and as for the Guru, we could start submitting now if there's a fear of that - plus, I think we're all honest enough to not lie over a simple sig bet. I'd bet 75% of us are already in the BOP anyway.
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From: greatone10
| Posted: 10/24/2005 8:49:03 PM | Message Detail
I would definitely put up the Guru topic early, even though the results
will most likely take a few days (or weeks), just in case.
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From: Ngamer64
| Posted: 10/24/2005 9:08:33 PM | Message Detail
Speaking of the Gurus... last chance to join! Just paste yourself to the bottom of THIS list:
1 - transience
2 - UltimaterializerX
3 - Ngamer64
4 - greatone10
5 - Sephirot1
6 - lettuce Kefka
7 - Mac Arrowny
8 - Tai
9 - DomaDragoon
10- TNote
11- dethfdddddh
12- Tediz247
13- HaRRicH
14- Ed Bellis
15- yoblazer33
16- Janus5000
17- Dranze
18- charmander6000
19- red sox 777
20- meche313
21- Yesmar
22- MegatokyoED
23- Abomstarrunner
24- Weird Kirby Dude11
25- Tirofog
26- fastpawn
27- arkenaga
28- SephirothG
29- swirldude
30 - Explicit Content
31 - ExquisiteSamurai
32 - ChichiriMuyo
33 - XxSoulxX
34 - BigKevinm84
35 - cyko
36- Jman_gamerX8
37 - Kaxon
38 - Mithrandir1331
39 - outback
40 - Silverflame
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From: Janus5000
| Posted: 10/24/2005 9:28:16 PM | Message Detail
I don't really think doing well in the games contest means all that
much; I certainly wouldn't consider Starcraft a likely possibility.
Kingdom Hearts just seems to have a large following. I believe that it
was given such a low seed (and even then, third for the PS2 isn't bad)
because many of its fans nominated FFX. And another thing: mnm, you
claim many people bought KH because of the FF characters in it, but
what about those that were new to the series? You know, the ones that
boosted Cloud to the top in 2k3? I believe that any game that can get
that many people to play other games based on cameos alone has to be
damn well liked... or, if nothing else, the Square characters have to
be well-liked (which they are... almost painfully so). And any game
that has so many popular characters can't be too weak - in fact, I'd
say it might be rather strong if for no other reason than Cloud and his
taped-up airplane wing.
I'm not saying I'm not still rather worried about KH making it, because I am (though not as much as Metroid Prime >_>;) but I won't be caught dead underestimating the damn thing again >_>
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I'm not saying I'm not still rather worried about KH making it, because I am (though not as much as Metroid Prime >_>;) but I won't be caught dead underestimating the damn thing again >_>
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From: transience
| Posted: 10/24/2005 9:32:21 PM | Message Detail
I believe that it was given such a low seed (and even then, third for the PS2 isn't bad) because many of its fans nominated FFX.
there's your answer right there. I believe it goes FFX > KH >> everything else when it comes to next-gen RPGs, and I'll be surprised to see KH above FF10. I have FF10 currently at #10, so there's no room for KH.
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there's your answer right there. I believe it goes FFX > KH >> everything else when it comes to next-gen RPGs, and I'll be surprised to see KH above FF10. I have FF10 currently at #10, so there's no room for KH.
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From: Mac Arrowny
| Posted: 10/24/2005 9:34:38 PM | Message Detail
And another thing: mnm, you claim many people bought KH because of
the FF characters in it, but what about those that were new to the
series? You know, the ones that boosted Cloud to the top in 2k3?
I think Aeris's match with Sora proved that most KHers were originally FF fans. I can see SC (Soul Calibur) making it before KH, since so many fewer people have played SC.
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I think Aeris's match with Sora proved that most KHers were originally FF fans. I can see SC (Soul Calibur) making it before KH, since so many fewer people have played SC.
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From: cavedog0
| Posted: 10/24/2005 9:38:31 PM | Message Detail
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Bah
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From: Radix
| Posted: 10/24/2005 9:43:05 PM | Message Detail
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From: therealmnm
| Posted: 10/24/2005 10:44:28 PM | Message Detail
And another thing: mnm, you claim many people bought KH because of
the FF characters in it, but what about those that were new to the
series? You know, the ones that boosted Cloud to the top in 2k3?
I think Aeris's match with Sora proved that most KHers were originally FF fans. I can see SC (Soul Calibur) making it before KH, since so many fewer people have played SC.
Exactly. And even still, I highly doubt the people new to the series would be enough to make it one of the Top 10 games all time on GameFAQs. It may be well liked, but I don't think it's Top 10 worthy.
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I think Aeris's match with Sora proved that most KHers were originally FF fans. I can see SC (Soul Calibur) making it before KH, since so many fewer people have played SC.
Exactly. And even still, I highly doubt the people new to the series would be enough to make it one of the Top 10 games all time on GameFAQs. It may be well liked, but I don't think it's Top 10 worthy.
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From: Slowflake
| Posted: 10/25/2005 5:33:52 AM | Message Detail
Hey, don't diss my do-or-die pick. Actually, go ahead and diss it, but
you can say the same thing about the 20-25 games that fall under the
"filler" category.
As far as yesterday's poll goes, we have at least 80% who aren't affected by the results. I personally went for "only during bracket battles", but I'll be damned if I'm enough of a weak-minded numbskull to actually let it change my vote. The 12% who picked the third option come across to me as a "it's fun to check" type (heck, THAT was the poll choice) more than a "it'll change my vote" type. Maybe take off a few percent from that one, give them to the bracket battle option, and the most likely scenario is an end result in the low 90s, which is still pretty good. Either way, in the close matches that matter, I'd expect it to cancel out itself mostly, unless the match ends excruciatingly close, like 100 votes or less. At that point you can blame the end result on a lot more things than people who check the results.
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As far as yesterday's poll goes, we have at least 80% who aren't affected by the results. I personally went for "only during bracket battles", but I'll be damned if I'm enough of a weak-minded numbskull to actually let it change my vote. The 12% who picked the third option come across to me as a "it's fun to check" type (heck, THAT was the poll choice) more than a "it'll change my vote" type. Maybe take off a few percent from that one, give them to the bracket battle option, and the most likely scenario is an end result in the low 90s, which is still pretty good. Either way, in the close matches that matter, I'd expect it to cancel out itself mostly, unless the match ends excruciatingly close, like 100 votes or less. At that point you can blame the end result on a lot more things than people who check the results.
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