"I could say the exact opposite as a Bowser fan."

I wasn't saying it as a Kirby fan, I was saying it as an expectation of how the 70,000 people who didn't make brackets would percieve it. Seriously, if you aren't a follower of the contest you'll sit there and be like "How many cartoons did Bowser star in? How many of his own games does he have? Who was in SSB first?" and you'll come to the conclusion, if you know nothing of GF, that Bowser should be weaker than Kirby. Correct or not, I'm thinking a larger portion would expect Kirby to win.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/19/2005 6:38:44 PM | Message Detail | #039
It's not only because they faced Sephiroth, it's because they were facing him in a villain contest environment. Unlike what you might think, voters weren't oblivious to that.

Yes, because there's plenty of proof of that.

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Because the name of the contest says "Villain Contest" instead of "Character Battle X", I shall vote for Ganon or Bowser when I wouldn't have done so in the past!

Makes perfect sense.

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Last topic, trans asked for the saved Stats topic from just after this past Summer's Bracket came up. I'm here to say that those topics, like many things, can be found in the Archives:

http://www.thengamer.com/gamefaqs/

Bracket came online in Stats145, we talked about it through 146 and 147 (and beyond, of course, but it tailed off enough where I didn't save it further). Stats187 is worth a refresher as well, that's the topic where we found out that Kefka had been cheating all day.

If you look at 145, do a search for "Goody" to fly to the first post where the new bracket was noticed.

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I believe RPGuy said that 150k torrents were downloaded by the end of the contest.

Actually, I think it was closer to 200k by Link/Sephiroth and a little over half that (~110k) by Crono/Vincent. But my memory might be fuzzy; I think we need TRE to be sure.
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Because the name of the contest says "Villain Contest" instead of "Character Battle X", I shall vote for Ganon or Bowser when I wouldn't have done so in the past!

It's easy to phrase things so that they sound stupid. But it's very possible for someone to think "Sephiroth is cool, but he wasn't that great of a VILLAIN", and vote for Bowser/G-dorf.
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With Bowser vs Kirby:

Kirby got the advantage in the pic by getting not just the Kirby votes but the ice climber fans as well adding to the already mounting rSFF.

But seriously the only excuse that Bowser > Ganon with the villain contest results is that people were just becoming really aggravated with Seph. and anti-voted him more than normal. Other than that its just a preference out of the three (Seph, Bowser, and Ganon).
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it's very possible for someone to think "Sephiroth is cool, but he wasn't that great of a VILLAIN", and vote for Bowser/G-dorf.

While I agree (to a point...a small small point), you also have to bring into question who actually SEES where it says "Villain Contest" and "Summer Contest 2005" or whatever it said at the top of the polls. Overall, I imagine the number affected is nothing more than minimal.
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Congrats, for your dominance has now been compared to priest-sex.

Auron vs. Zero...who wins?

I think both are potentially underrated (again). Now that's a match I'd like to see in the future.

But Bowser DID give Guybrush a slightly better pounding than expected...

Bowser did worse than he was supposed to, actually. But, yeah, that's basing Guybrush off from a value in 2K2. What's funny is that Bowser if you measure Guybrush from 2K3/2K4 Ryo Hazuki it makes Bowser look REALLY pathetic. :P

I certainly wouldn't count out Ganondorf being stronger than Bowser in 2K3 and 2K4. I think Sam may have been somewhat underrated. I think it's pretty clear than Sam Fisher underperformed against Samus...judging by Gordon Freeman's 2K3 and 2K5 values. Plus, Tidus 2K3 may have been closer to Tidus 2K2 (after WDF) than Tidus 2K4.

Hey...what if you just used Bowser's x-stat and measured Ganondorf from Bowser based on their common opponent in Sephiroth? *hides*

Of course, I'm not saying Ganondorf is stronger than Bowser...just merely stating some facts. I really don't know who I'd pick between those two. If I had to, probably Bowser since he almost beat Solid Snake...well, and also my personal x-stats say so (then again, most versions would).

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hey TRE, are any of the stats topics from when the bracket was released this year on your site? I couldn't find them.

I don't keep any of the Stats topics on my web space for extended periods of time. I only upload them when someone specifically asks for a topic. The topics Ngamer64 has on his website should have what you need. If it they don't I'll see if I can find it in a later topic.

There's no evidence at all that 32/64 is strongest. Sure it has the two strongest games, but after that, there's not much to impress. I don't have the polls handy, but I think they were in the last topic, and I'm sure that TRE could provide them.

Sep 4, 2001 - Which era in video games do you think produced the best games of all time?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=642

It is a fairly old poll though.

Actually, I think it was closer to 200k by Link/Sephiroth and a little over half that (~110k) by Crono/Vincent. But my memory might be fuzzy; I think we need TRE to be sure.

From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 9/22/2005 7:58:47 PM | Message Detail
Incidentally, I just looked at the torrent site that I use and the number of times AC has been downloaded is now in the 180,000 range. And that's just torrents. P2P is much easier for the layperson to use, even if it comes with lots of annoyances, so I'd guess that at least that amount of people have downloaded it through other means. That's quite remarkable.
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Congrats to him for winning the Summer 2005 Guru Contest!

While I agree (to a point...a small small point), you also have to bring into question who actually SEES where it says "Villain Contest" and "Summer Contest 2005" or whatever it said at the top of the polls. Overall, I imagine the number affected is nothing more than minimal.

Just saying that it shouldn't be ridiculed. Rephrasing something stupidly is a weak argument, regardless of whether or not your point is correct.
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It is a fairly old poll though.

Yeah, nearly four years old (I'm not even sure if the Gamecube or Xbox were out before that poll). Nowadays, though the 16-Bit would probably still win that, the 32/64-Bit would give it a MUCH better run.
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Congrats, for your dominance has now been compared to priest-sex.

For the Kirby/Bowser SFF, what other reason would Tidus randomly increase even though Kirby killed him worse than he was projected to? Also even though Bowser/Kirby got the LOWEST match total of the contest.
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I got MARIOWNED by Jman_gamerX8, winner of the Guru contest.

I just think it's a bit ridiculous for the average voter to do anything but look at the poll and pick their favorite option. All this side BS mostly comes from us, and our vote only lasts a few minutes at best.

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I doubt that, I've seen one-timers come in here by random luck and have an odd opinion that the board might pick up on.
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A small thought here - when the Revolution comes out, would Chrono Trigger be available on it? Or are they just making first party titles available?

Something to be aware of if it is, I guess.

As for Kirby/Bowser - is there any reason to think that there's rSFF here, or is it just a case of an increase in popularity, that you can see happening all the way back from 2002? Look at who Kirby's lost to: Jill < Alucard < Squall < Bowser, and Kirby's percentages are all within 3% of each other.

And just to look at those SFF adjustments on sc2k5 - Samus has probably been adjusted too much, yet Ganon is still under Zelda. That's pretty screwed up right there, unless someone wants to make the suggestion that Ganon was SFFed against Samus. And I'm not buying Yoshi > Leon either. Mega Man/Yoshi SFF? Rubbish. Yoshi just flat out sucked right there. Which is why everyone should take all stats, adjusted or not, with more than a pinch of salt.
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thanks NGamer and TRE. what I was hoping to find was the origin of Jay Solano, which I know got started right around when the bracket came out. it doesn't seem to be in those two, but I know it's around there somewhere.

obviously it's not important at all, so don't worry.

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-_-

People are still talking about whether or not the name "Villain Contest" had an effect on it or not? That's honestly just stupid. If you like a character who is a villain, you like him for just that. You don't like Sephiroth, the main villain of FF7... sorta, anyway, and then say, but as a villain he sucked. Because you either like him or you don't, a villain is simply a group you can classify him under.

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yeah, I find that argument ridiculous as well. you're just fishing for answers as to why Sephiroth sucked at that point.

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Funny that I'm the one grasping for straws when I called it right after the villain contest ended. If you have any other explanation for Sephiroth doing so badly in these matches, as well as Ganondorf doing better than Bowser, I want to hear it.

That's the stats topic for ya. Refute with "it's just wrong" and throw nothing else into the mix.
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no, the stats topic comes up with stuff like "it's got the word Villain on it! people are going to vote differently!"


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what I was hoping to find was the origin of Jay Solano, which I know got started right around when the bracket came out. it doesn't seem to be in those two, but I know it's around there somewhere.

Then you're looking for Part 174:
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Stats and Discussion Pt174.htm
It starts around the middle of Page 9.
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Congrats to him for winning the Summer 2005 Guru Contest!

wow, it was in the middle of the contest... go my memory!

thanks, TRE.

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as well as Ganondorf doing better than Bowser, I want to hear it.

I think Ganon is stronger. What else can I really say?

yet Ganon is still under Zelda

I've got Ganon a hair above Snake.

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Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, Advance Wars 2, We <3 Katamari

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C&Ping in case 267 purges.
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While I'm on a public computer, I'll save this for reference later tonight...

At 11:00 AM GameFAQs-time:
DS 5.69% 1773
PlayStation 3 32.94% 10255
PSP 3.81% 1186
Revolution 20.58% 6406
Xbox 360 22.36% 6962
A new PC 6.76% 2105
A new video card for my PC 5.22% 1626
Other 2.63% 820
TOTAL VOTES 31133
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i wonder how many more stat topics we'll get when the next character batlle comes up
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yet Ganon is still under Zelda

I've got Ganon a hair above Snake.

XD

I have him halfway between the two. XD indeed.

On the subject of Jay Solano, if we're really going for weakest entrant ever, why nominate him instead of a support cast member from the same game?
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1) Jay Solano's already got his name around big here, and we'd have to start over. Granted, we still have plenty of time, but it's hard to drop what we got now.

2) I would actually doubt there being any other characters from Operation Shadow that, ya know...have names. I'm plenty capable of being wrong on that, but I would think he's the only one with a name.
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Funny that I'm the one grasping for straws when I called it right after the villain contest ended. If you have any other explanation for Sephiroth doing so badly in these matches, as well as Ganondorf doing better than Bowser, I want to hear it.

That's the stats topic for ya. Refute with "it's just wrong" and throw nothing else into the mix.

Yeah, because whoever states their opinion first is always the one who is correct. I don't really have much of an explanation for him doing worse than usual, but I'll go with lower vote totals, or just anti-votes because everyone and their mom knew he was going to win before it even began. Those 2, are just a few of the possibilities that I find a lot more plausible than the word "villain."

And if you're pointing the finger and saying that I'm simply saying "it's just wrong" you're obviously not reading my post. I said exactly why I think that. If a character is a villain, that is part of their character, and makes up most of it. No one sees Sephiroth in the Summer contest and thinks he's a hero, he's a villain whether he's in the Villains contest, or the character contest, just like Bowser and Ganondorf. If you like one person in one contest for his character, why wouldn't you like him in the other, when that very character is being a villain?

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...okay, you twisted my words around so much I'm not even going to bother on that one. However...

anti-votes because everyone and their mom knew he was going to win before it even began.

...that does make sense. Did it show only against Bowser and Ganondorf, and if yes why, could be interesting. (We can safely rule out Liquid at this point, though.) Whether Ganondorf overperformed the most due to being the "last chance" could be up for debate - remember, that idea popped up at one time when debating WDF, though I honestly didn't think much of it.

Either way, odds are, we'll never know what it was, because to know it we'd have to have rematches in regular contests, then poll those who switched their votes on why they did it. So... yeah. Thing is, I'm absolutely certain Bowser and Ganondorf are no uber-powerhouses (I'd sooner judge them on what they did against Ocelot and Diablo).
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Agreed... I don't buy anything the Villains contest did.

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2) I would actually doubt there being any other characters from Operation Shadow that, ya know...have names. I'm plenty capable of being wrong on that, but I would think he's the only one with a name.

There are a few other characters with names like General Barton, General Neva and Samantha Brown. I don't think it will really make a difference if we use one of them. While nobody has heard of Maëlys Nyx, nobody knows who Jay Solano is either.
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the thing is jay solano may actually end up facing link or cloud.due to anti-voting that would make jay stronger than tanner
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The only thing we can really do about that is gather enough nominations so Jay gets a 15th or 14th seed to avoid fighting them. But even if he does, it will probably still be the biggest blowout in contest history.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Jay Solano needs to face an elite that's had the most success on handhelds before (ya know, to take away THAT much more of a chance that Jay would get votes)...Link, Mario, Samus, and Mega Man hit me as the most likely (maybe Sonic as well?). It should also be an elite that's unlikely to get anti-votes...Samus, Mega Man, Sonic, and Solid Snake come to mind (and probably Mario, depending on your stance on his history). Last, since I would imagine the N-Gage would appeal more to casuals than hardcore gamers, he should face an elite most casuals would protect and defend...while all the elites (barring maybe Crono) fit this, I would think Link, Cloud, Mario, Mega Man, Sonic, or Solid Snake would be among the highest as far as N-Gage owners go.

So, if I'm not just talking out of my ass, here's how each of the Noble Nine members get ranked by a cheesy system of points:

Mega Man: 3
Mario: 2 1/2
Sonic: 2 1/2
Link: 2
Solid Snake: 2
Samus: 2
Cloud: 1
Sephiroth: 0
Crono: 0

I would think Mega Man or Mario would be the best for decimating Jay.
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The amount of people who know who Jay is, would vote for him against near-elite or better, and is not a joke vote, anti-vote or pity vote is pretty much non-existant. The votes Jay will be getting will be from sources who don't know who he is. He will get Joke votes and pity votes regardless of his opponent so the only thing that matters is how few anti-votes his opponent gets.
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solid snake seems the perfect opponent cause to the casual gamer both are hardcore super soldiers and your always gonna vote for snake in that case
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I'd bet the majority of NGage owners wouldn't know who he is, and there aren't a whole lot of those to begin. Any vote he gets will be a joke vote or anti-vote.
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I think the best bet for a Jay Solano match would be Bowser, as he's proven capable of blowing opponents out (see: Guybrush Threepwood and Pyramid Head), he's generally liked even by those who don't care so much about Nintendo, and he's a touch weaker than the two Noble Nine members who would work best (Snake and Mega Man). However, Bowser is unlikely to get anything above a 4 seed and I don't think the board can get enough Jay Solano nominations to get him a 13.
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Mega Man seems like the best legit opponent Jay could get. MM has shown that he can destroy people before.

if there was some way to get someone like Auron or Alucard, that'd be great, but there's no way JS is going to get that high of a seed.

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It'd be nice if Jay was put in a position to be the Ultimate Loser somehow, he he he...and, not only that, but behind an insane string of SFF. Heh, for example:

Jay --> Captain Olimar --> Wario --> Zelda --> Crono --> Cloud --> Link
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Omg, I have like, returned. :o
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Yes, I realize that wouldn't, in all likelyhood, be good for the Solano cause if he were to actually face Captain Olimar...but the humor of it all is all I'm saying.
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Ok, um, first of all, who is Jay Solano? I mean, what game is he from? O_o
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Ok, um, first of all, who is Jay Solano? I mean, what game is he from?

Good job TRE. =)


Jay Solano is the man this board is behind to get into the contest to accomplish one thing: be the weakest son of a dirty ***** that has ever graced our contests. Seriously; if the stats show that Tanner would beat this guy, we have done well for ourselves...but we've loved to see a projected doubling or worse, heh.

Anyways, Jay is from Operation Shadow, a game on the N-Gage...and, for the record, I think there was twice as many people who voted Tanner over Solid Snake than there were people who claimed they own an N-Gage.

Jay has what it takes.
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=23293579

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=23121727

http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/JaySolano.html

all the Jay Solano info you need.

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So basically, you're trying to summon not only more crappy fodder for people to spit on, but the crappiest piece of fodder ever to walk foot in these contests...I see.

That is so crazy...that..I approve. :-))

Yum, I've already joined your army.
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Hey, better Jay than somebody people actually care about as far as this goes.
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