Well, Katamari is a pretty well repped write in, and I bet Halo 2 is doing fairly well with the notb8ers. I refused to not write in Lufia 2, though, becuase I honestly do think it's one of the best games ever. If LoZ wasn't on that lst I'd write that in too. Heck, the first 6 entries of my top 10 list would have all been written if they weren't on that list (thankfully 5 were). Some games deserve the love, even if the efforts are futile.

And speaking of the efforts, I hope that ceej releases some comprehensive data on this. If he only releases the top 10 and the winning entries (and would be winners, for non-eligible particapants) I'll be sad. I want to see at least top 100 with their points and an extra list of popular write-ins that didn't make the list. Shouldn't be asking too much, that.
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only three of my top 10 are on that list, and I too decided I wanted to see games I liked do well. there's no point in putting Shadow Hearts or Lode Runner in there when they have no chance of doing well.
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It wasn't really laziness, persay, just annoyance that I had all my info put in then when I put up a write-in [Lufia 2] it cleared the data I already had set and I didn't want to go through that again.

Bingo; between that and wanting the games I put on my list to be games that stood the best chance (as-in on the default list), I didn't fool with any write-ins.

those are also my thoughts, which is why i have no faith that any write-ins can make the Top Ten. for example, i believe that a large majority of people (or at least half) who would have chosen Halo 2 will look for Halo 2, see "Halo: Combat Evolved", say screw it, and just click on that.

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Five out of ten for me.
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i believe that a large majority of people (or at least half) who would have chosen Halo 2 will look for Halo 2, see "Halo: Combat Evolved", say screw it, and just click on that.

Which was EXACTLY my thought when I saw that.
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I find thta to be more true about Halo 2 than other exemptions, though. If someone thinks Katamari is the best game ever they are going to write it in. When there's no immeadiate alternative, like there is for the Halo 2 fans, they will be more inclined to make a write-in. Oh, and if there is a more comprehensive list (instead of announcing just the top 10) I cna see quite a few write-ins ranking. Sure, none near the top 10 (I'd be surprised to see more than 2 in the top 25) but they'll be out there.
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I'll also agree with that; I didn't feel especially inclined to pick Sonic 2 as Sonic & Knuckles, among other examples. That should still be considered when thinking about Halo though, I suppose.
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Well, the thing about Halo 2 is that there's going to be a large overlap of users. Add that to the fact that many people consider Halo 1 to be the technically superior game (balance issues and whatnot) and the fact that it's easier to pick Halo than Halo 2 and I think it's the most likely candidate to have that happen. Besides, it's not like a FF game where there are drastically different aspects to each game and strong reason for them to have sepperate groups of fans.
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Top 100 SNES games:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=913&topic=23968135
Top 100 NES games:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=912&topic=22905115

For both you submit your list of top 10 NES/SNES games, 1st place is worth 10 points, 2nd 9 points, etc.. It's open only to those with GameFAQs accounts. Sound a bit familier? The SNES one is a bit more interesting because it shows the number of 1st place votes and total number of votes.
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Nice find; that just convinced me to make two small changes to my list.


WAS:
9-MGS
10-Diablo 2

NOW:
9-LoZ:LttP
10-MGS
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01. Chrono Trigger ( 2253 ) 299 - 85
02. Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past ( 2242 ) 331 - 58

LttP was listed on the most ballots easily, even though it didn't rank the highest. An interesting note.
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That just shows it hasn't got huge support to be the best of the system. Frankly, I can't believe people would have left LttP off their top 10 (yeah, I'm lookin' at you harrich), it's fairly intuitive that CT, FF6, and LttP are basically locks. LttP isn't that far off from OoT in popularity, after all.

As I said, SNES was by far the most competitive platform in the SpC2k4 nominations, just because LttP only got 6th seed doesn't mean it's off the radar in something like this. It had more competition for its spot than any non-SNES game that is expected to make top 10.
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I made one other minor change...


WAS:
2-CT
3-LoZ:OoT

NOW:
2-LoZ:OoT
3-CT


...I figure if CT's fighting tooth and nail to stay ahead of LoZ:LttP just on its own system in a more-hardcore listing than what CJay's gonna be doing, then it's gonna be nigh-impossible for it to outdo LoZ:OoT since it's spanning all systems, for a less hardcore audience, older, weaker according to the Game Contest, might be losing power (according to our past contest, though that's just speculation), and LoZ:OoT > LoZ:LttP.
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And yes, I realize the SNES had lots of competition, but that was still four other games from just its own system that out-nominated it (with a flawed system, yes, but nonetheless). It was also the least nominated of the top rep of each of Nintendo's big franchises (as far as seeding went, SM > SMW > LoZ:LttP). The nomination system was flawed, yes, but I think my caution was still understandable.
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1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - transience
3 - Ngamer64
4 - greatone10
5 - Sephirot1
6 - lettuce Kefka
7 - Mac Arrowny
8 - Tai
9 - DomaDragoon
10- TNote
11- dethfdddddh
12- Tediz247
13- HaRRicH
14- Ed Bellis
15- yoblazer33
16- Janus5000
17- Dranze
18- charmander6000
19- red sox 777
20- meche313
21- Yesmar
22- MegatokyoED
23- Abomstarrunner
24- Weird Kirby Dude11
25- Tirofog
26- fastpawn
27- arkenaga
28- SephirothG
29- swirldude
30 - Explicit Content
31 - ExquisiteSamurai
32 - ChichiriMuyo
33 - XxSoulxX
34 - BigKevinm84
35 - cyko
36- Jman_gamerX8
37 - Kaxon
38 - Mithrandir1331
39 - outback
40 - Silverflame
41 - jonthomson
42 - Applekidjosh
43 - voltch
44 - Phediuk
45 - Shivan Reincarnated
46 - NewLib
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And I disagree. Despite the "poor" seeding it should have recieved some more serious consideration. In a skewed system like that SMW and SM came out ahead, but when put to task neither of them had a shot at LttP. When you add that to the fact that some may have been gaming the system (LttP would be less likely to miss the contest than those two) and that it's clearly been shown that the game rarely tops lists but tends to be on them quite frequently (the reason you changed your mind) it's easy to see why that happened and why it's wrong. SpC2k4 seeding isn't everything, there are other factors at stake here.
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The other factors were also harder to see clearly, thus were paid less attention. Not to say that justifies it, seeing as how I changed my mind now that we've seen something alot more definitive, but seeing the seeding can still set the tone for some things. I just misunderstood LoZ:LttP as fittin' under "some things" instead of how steady a favorite it really is.
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From: NewLib | Posted: 10/9/2005 6:58:50 PM | Message Detail
1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - transience
3 - Ngamer64
4 - greatone10
5 - Sephirot1
6 - lettuce Kefka
7 - Mac Arrowny
8 - Tai
9 - DomaDragoon
10- TNote
11- dethfdddddh
12- Tediz247
13- HaRRicH
14- Ed Bellis
15- yoblazer33
16- Janus5000
17- Dranze
18- charmander6000
19- red sox 777
20- meche313
21- Yesmar
22- MegatokyoED
23- Abomstarrunner
24- Weird Kirby Dude11
25- Tirofog
26- fastpawn
27- arkenaga
28- SephirothG
29- swirldude
30 - Explicit Content
31 - ExquisiteSamurai
32 - ChichiriMuyo
33 - XxSoulxX
34 - BigKevinm84
35 - cyko
36- Jman_gamerX8
37 - Kaxon
38 - Mithrandir1331
39 - outback
40 - Silverflame
41 - jonthomson
42 - Applekidjosh
43 - voltch
44 - Phediuk
45 - Shivan Reincarnated
46 - NewLib
47 - Prometheus321
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I think LttP's 6th seed in the Spring Contest was just a fluke. I made a post about this during the Spring 2004 contest that sums up why I think this:

From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 3/17/2004 10:21:48 AM | Message Detail
It's interesting to look at it based on the number of 1st place votes:

Seeding. Game - #1 Votes

1. Chrono Trigger - 63
6. Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past - 36
2. Final Fantasy VI - 33
3. Super Metroid - 19
4. Super Mario World - 18
-. Terranigma - 13
8. Super Mario RPG: Legend Of The Seven Stars - 11
7. EarthBound - 9
16. Secret Of Mana (Seiken Densetsu 2) - 7
-. Tales Of Phantasia - 7
-. Super Mario All-Stars - 6
-. Secret Of Evermore - 6

The nominations follow it almost exactly. The two exceptions being Zelda: LTTP and Terranigma. As far as I know, Terranigma never got a North American release. But why did LTTP get such a low seed?
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I really need to make a new username.

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Cheer Up Emo Kids.

With the Spring, you already had a Zelda game that was a lock to get in (OoT). I wouldn't be surprised if more people went with Super Metroid in the Spring nomination system just to make sure a Metroid game made it in.
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Here's my tentative GameFAQs Top 10 list for the few of you who may care:

1. Final Fantasy VII
2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
3. Super Smash Bros.
4. Chrono Trigger
5. Super Mario Bros. 3
6. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
7. Final Fantasy VI/III
8. Super Mario World
9. Halo
10. Final Fantasy X

If changes are to be made from here on out, they'll likely only be made on the last four.
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I really wish Ceej releases nomination data so we would know EXACTLY what is going on...
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heh, looking at the Top 30 of that SNES list you have:

16 Nintendo games -

02. Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past ( 2242 ) 331 - 58
04. Super Mario World ( 1805 ) 292 - 38
05. Super Metroid ( 1382 ) 221 - 28
06. Super Mario RPG: Legend Of The Seven Stars ( 1284 ) 209 - 26
07. Super Mario Kart ( 971 ) 185 - 7
08. Super Mario All-Stars ( 948 ) 160 - 17
09. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi%u2019s Island ( 734 ) 134 - 4
10. Donkey Kong Country 2 ( 727 ) 126 - 12
12. EarthBound ( 724 ) 119 - 22
13. Donkey Kong Country ( 719 ) 150 - 3
17. Kirby Super Star ( 393 ) 70 - 7
23. Donkey Kong Country 3 ( 265 ) 56 - 2
26. Star Fox ( 203 ) 51 - 2
27. F-Zero ( 196 ) 49 - 1
29. Super Punch-Out!! ( 189 ) 42 - 1
30. Tetris Attack ( 185 ) 40 - 2

5 Square games -

01. Chrono Trigger ( 2253 ) 299 - 85
03. Final Fantasy VI ( 1855 ) 253 - 55
11. Secret Of Mana (Seiken Densetsu 2) ( 726 ) 133 - 10
14. Final Fantasy IV ( 702 ) 124 - 11
21. Final Fantasy V ( 302 ) 63 - 2

3 Capcom games -

15. Mega Man X ( 418 ) 90 - 5
24. Street Fighter II Turbo ( 215 ) 45 - 1
28. Super Street Fighter II ( 194 ) 40 - 2

3 Konami games -

22. Contra III: The Alien Wars (Contra Sprits) ( 272 ) 61 - 1
24. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles In Time ( 215 ) 52 - 2
30. Super Castlevania IV ( 185 ) 42 - 1

3 RPGs never released in the US -

16. Terranigma ( 394 ) 60 - 17
19. Secret Of Mana 2 (Seiken Densetsu 3) ( 325 ) 51 - 6
20. Tales Of Phantasia ( 317 ) 47 - 11

and Lufia II -

18. Lufia II: Rise Of The Sinistrals ( 388 ) 67 - 10

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My Predictions for the top 10:

1) Final Fantasy VII
2) Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
3) Chrono Trigger
4) Halo: Combat Evolved
5) Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past
6) Super Mario Bros. 3
7) Super Mario World
8) Super Smash Bros. Melee
9) Metal Gear Solid
10) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
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1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - transience
3 - Ngamer64
4 - greatone10
5 - Sephirot1
6 - lettuce Kefka
7 - Mac Arrowny
8 - Tai
9 - DomaDragoon
10- TNote
11- dethfdddddh
12- Tediz247
13- HaRRicH
14- Ed Bellis
15- yoblazer33
16- Janus5000
17- Dranze
18- charmander6000
19- red sox 777
20- meche313
21- Yesmar
22- MegatokyoED
23- Abomstarrunner
24- Weird Kirby Dude11
25- Tirofog
26- fastpawn
27- arkenaga
28- SephirothG
29- swirldude
30 - Explicit Content
31 - ExquisiteSamurai
32 - ChichiriMuyo
33 - XxSoulxX
34 - BigKevinm84
35 - cyko
36- Jman_gamerX8
37 - Kaxon
38 - Mithrandir1331
39 - outback
40 - Silverflame
41 - jonthomson
42 - Applekidjosh
43 - voltch
44 - Phediuk
45 - Shivan Reincarnated
46 - NewLib
47 - Prometheus321
48 - Draco1214
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And my Favorites (for anyone that cares):

1) Metal Gear Solid
2) Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
3) Earthbound
4) Chrono Trigger
5) Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
6) TimeSplitters 2
7) Kingdom Hearts
8) Skies of Arcadia
9) Final Fantasy IX
10) Super Smash Bros. Melee
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Lufia 2 fully deserves to be up there. One of hte best games ever.
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A little side discussion to pass the time:

How many representatives do you think each particular console will get in the Top 10? I'm thinking...

SNES - 4
NES - 1
N64 - 1
PS - 1
PS2 - 1
GC - 1
Xbox - 1

The only systems with a chance to rain on the SNES's parade are the Playstation and Nintendo 64, and FFVIII/SM64 better be on their A games for that to happen. As for the current consoles, the Gamecube and Xbox each have an almighty fan favorite that should make it in, and even though the PS2 is without such a luxury, a Top 10 featuring zero PS2 games is tough to swallow, so I gave it the benefit of the doubt.
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Every time I think of Konami and the SNES, it reminds me of either how mad I am that they didn't make MGS games earlier or how happy I am that they stopped making MG games for a generation so they could get their act straight for the PSX.

Yes, I realize they're the same series, but I don't like to acknowledge it.
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PSX - 2
N64 - 2
SNES - 3
GC - 1
NES - 1
Xbox - 1

That's right, no PS2 games. I know that FFX, GTA:SA, MGS2, KH, and probably another one or two are perfectly acceptable candidates, but I think they're all gonna come up short (with FFX being the most likely to rain on my parade).
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Then you obviously weren't playing them in their respective times. Excepting a bad translation MG was a top-notch game in its day and was highly regarded (considering).

Also, I'm thinking there'll be one more NES game, one less SNES game, one more N64 game and one less PS2 game as compared to yoblazzer's list.
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I tried to play MG during the Genesis era and couldn't get into it, and I tried again afew years ago and still couldn't. Perhaps I ought to try one more time sometime soon; I really do WANT to like it, but I believe it's definitely too late for me now if I couldn't back then.
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mine right now is pretty balanced:

snes: 3
n64: 2
ps1: 2
nes: 1
xbox: 1
gamecube: 1

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hey, mine's the same as Harrich's. we probably have the same games, too, though in different order.

I played MG when it came out and didn't like it at all. it was definitely a known title, but not nearly to the extent that the MGS series is.

does Slow's BOP have combined scores for each game? I wonder what the "consensus" is, since the bottom of the list could be all over the place, as will Halo.
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metroid: zero mission - 28:50

Let's see I have...

N64 - 3
GCN - 2
PSX - 1
SNES - 1
NES - 1
PS2 - 1
Xbox - 1
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Nope; he's just got the favorites and predictions. A combined one would be interesting, though ultimately probably nothing more than just there to look pretty...but hey, I'm all up for seeing a list like that, heh.
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Char, I'm guessing your GC games are SSBM and...Metroid Prime? I'm also guessing your three N64 games are LoZ:OoT, SM64, and...Goldeneye?
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all you'd have to do is add the scores up, that should be easy to do... it'd only be good for telling the consensus though. I can pretty much guarantee that these titles will be in the top 8:

FF7
OOT
CT
SSBM
LTTP
SMB3
FF6
Halo

then we've got MGS, SM64, Halo 2, SMW, the GTA titles and a bunch of other fringe games.

I have MGS currently at #10 and am considering getting rid of it. since there are three MGS games, wouldn't it make sense that they'd split votes? I took that thinking in regards to Mario and Zelda, so I imagine the same would happen with MGS.

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if any GC game is #2, it's probably Wind Waker. Goldeneye in the top 10 is crazy talk.
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I don't know what else it'd be though...plus, didn't it rank very high up on some other site(s)'s list(s)? Add to it it's on the default list and it got a 3-seed (right behind a 2-seeded LoZ:OoT, no less)...

...no, I don't think GE would make the list, but I could see how it could be an uber-upset for somebody.
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actually, MK64 makes more sense to me than Goldeneye. both are about equal in my mind and have no chance at a top 10 placement, but I could see MK64 giving Goldeneye a fight.
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Except MK64 would be a write-in.
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1 PSX
1 XBox
1 GCN
1 NES
2 N64
4 SNES
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I'm still baffled at why Ceej doesn't have Halo 2 on there. All THREE GTA PS2 games. Half-Life, Half-Life 2, AND Counterstrike. But no Halo 2? It doesn't make sense. I think he did it on purpose...
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Oh, and if this was a top 15 list, I think I'd have a slot for GoldenEye.
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Not to mention Metroid Prime 1 and 2.

I think CJay purposely left out Halo 2, if you ask me, to cause some controversy and see how the write-ins treat it; it seriously has to be the single biggest snub here, and it would be prime for stealing a spot in the Top Ten or even Top Five.
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If there were 15, I still wouldn't put Goldeneye on the list. I'd be struggling enough to put a MGS or Metroid game in the top 15. I'd be fairly certain another FF game and another Mario game would get on before those games.

(Between FFVI, FFVIII, and FFX/Super Mario World, Super Mario 64. I'm aware that some of those will be top 10. I'm just saying that all of those are probably Top 15).
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I wouldn't give Halo 2 a top 5 spot if it was on the list half a dozen times. As a write in I doubt it cracks top 20
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ah, you're right, I forgot about that. still, in a contest setting, I'd say it's up for debate.

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