It would put Pac Man a little high, but I doubt it would matter much.

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I don't think it's so much for Pac-Man, but for Ocelot. Pac-Man's performances are different with each opponent.
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Besides, if you really want to believe someone can get close to 60% on Ryu then NOT have a close encounter with Snake, be my guest.

60% on a far, FAR weaker Ryu. And there's always Sora to counter Bowser's performance on Ryu. How could Snake do almost as well as Samus on Sora, and barely beat Bowser? Pic factor, of course.

As for Zelda vs. Kirby, Zelda would definitely take that. Even more so after TP, when Zelda will be above everyone outside of the NN, and maybe a couple of them, too (and Ganon, obviously).
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Would you take Kirby > Zelda?

Are we still on that bull that Bowser can't be as strong as he has shown since Spring 2k5 because Kirby had a good match against him? Give Kirby some ****ing credit. Besides, we can't dictate how a shared fanbase should feel when it comes to Kirby and Bowser. And besides, Kirby handed Tidus his ass... It's not like he's weak or anything...
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As for Ocelot, I've said before that he may be slightly weaker than he was in the Spring. We've seen plenty of times that fan favorites tend to overperform during their first contest. (Magus, Frog, Vivi, etc.). Ocelot probably peaked in his matchup against Bowser.
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And there's always Sora to counter Bowser's performance on Ryu. How could Snake do almost as well as Samus on Sora, and barely beat Bowser?

You mean to tell me that given the right picture, Snake can be as strong as Samus? Riiiiight. Winners don't do drugs, y'know.

60% on a far, FAR weaker Ryu.

And why would he be weaker, despite no indication towards it? Oh, that's right, because there was the pic factor in Snake/Bowser. Circular logic rules.
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We've seen plenty of times that fan favorites tend to overperform during their first contest. (Magus, Frog, Vivi, etc.).

Vivi didn't overperform in 2k4. He ranking in 2k5 is essentially the same as his rank in 2k4.
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Are we still on that bull that Bowser can't be as strong as he has shown since Spring 2k5 because Kirby had a good match against him? Give Kirby some ****ing credit. Besides, we can't dictate how a shared fanbase should feel when it comes to Kirby and Bowser. And besides, Kirby handed Tidus his ass... It's not like he's weak or anything...

Bowser in the Summer is a full two percent stronger than Bowser in the Spring, which I just can't believe, and which makes no sense. I'm willing to give Kirby credit, just not that much of it.

Oh, and if Bowser/Snake is accurate, Tidus increased since 2k4...for whatever reason.

As for Ocelot, I've said before that he may be slightly weaker than he was in the Spring. We've seen plenty of times that fan favorites tend to overperform during their first contest. (Magus, Frog, Vivi, etc.). Ocelot probably peaked in his matchup against Bowser.

Ironically, the most common argument for Ocelot being overrated in the Spring is a Bowser overperformance against Sephiroth, which doesn't really work too will with your previous point.

You mean to tell me that given the right picture, Snake can be as strong as Samus? Riiiiight. Winners don't do drugs, y'know.

No, I'm saying that like Snake/Sora, Bowser/Ryu means nothing for Bowser's strength. Where does Bowser end up if we go through constant 20XXDF Tidus?

And why would he be weaker, despite no indication towards it? Oh, that's right, because there was the pic factor in Snake/Bowser. Circular logic rules.

Enormous KOS-MOS drop from 2k4? SFAC in 2k4? Solid **** in 2k3? WDF in 2k2? 55% on Rikku? Performing barely better than Chun-Li? If you take into account that Ryu's been overrated every year, he doesn't need much of a drop to account for his atrocious performances this year.
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Heh, Vivi 2k5 is actually stronger than Vivi 2k4. Not as strong as Vivi-through-DK, but stronger than no-SFF-accounted for-Vivi.
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Are we still on that bull that Bowser can't be as strong as he has shown since Spring 2k5 because Kirby had a good match against him? Give Kirby some ****ing credit.

I give Bowser all the credit in the world; the pic-factor hardly had an effect in his match against Solid Snake (I won't say none, but I won't say more than minimal either). I also give Kirby credit for improving this year...but I'm a believer of Kirby rSFF'ing Bowser, so I ain't gonna give him THAT much credit...

...I realize your point's about giving Bowser credit though, not Kirby, in which case I agree with you. I just think the people who want to bring up Kirby/Bowser should realize that's hardly Bowser's fault, which, again, is the point you're making.
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...I realize your point's about giving Bowser credit though, not Kirby, in which case I agree with you. I just think the people who want to bring up Kirby/Bowser should realize that's hardly Bowser's fault, which, again, is the point you're making.

So then, why did Bowser increase by two percent in such a short period of time? It's not like he had any major releases between contests.
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Stats and winners have been announced, and only 44.7% of people had Link winning the TOC.

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Isn't Yoblazer prize eligible? Must suck to lose out to 10th place by a tiebreaker. Same thing happened to me in 2k4. :(
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Tell me how you got that, 'cuz we're apparently going about this in two different ways. Checking it out for myself by assuming Sephiroth was constant from the VC to this summer and that Bowser would still get 40.45% on him (which, due to FF:AC, is worthy of being skeptical about, but it's the best thing I thought of quickly), Bowser DROPPED 2.97% from the VC to this summer.

There's a misunderstanding somewhere with us.
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well, if ever we had proof of the Villain Contest, this is it. Seph over Link? crazy.
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well, if ever we had proof of the Villain Contest, this is it. Seph over Link? crazy.

Agreed, though, to be fair, that's Sephiroth AND sixty-four other characters (ranging from Yuri to Mario).
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Also, a feedback of mine about a week ago (that still hasn't been responded to, heh)...


Feedback - Review Message
I have a question or concern about a GameFAQs contest.
Message From HaRRicH at 2005-09-28 06:34:29
I wanted to point out that, in the contest stats, you never gave a final percentage of how many people had Link winning the ToC (over Sephiroth). A simple update of that one number would be greatly appreciated.
--HaRRicH
Feedback Status: Open - Your feedback has been sent but not yet responded to by GameFAQs.


...nevermind CJay. =P
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lol favorites brackets!

Although it loses something when it says 2k5 champ instead of the actual characters names. The point of many favorites brackets is to get that character recognition as the winner of a top 50 bracket early on (e.g. Leonhart's bracket).

This just shows THAT many people are totally clueless. (-_-)
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One last thing; is anybody else mad that #1 is a non-eligible bracket? That just feels almost degrading to #2, even if he IS the guy who gets to get the prizes.
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yeah, but only 22.8% (I think that was the number) took the main bracket winner to beat Sephiroth. if they had that little faith in the main bracket winner, I doubt more than 5% would take them over Clink.
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and if I won first place, I'd be just fine with it. heck, I'd send the guy a game.
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oh, I haven't looked at the stats in a while, but didn't we have two guys tied at the top of the leaderboard?

*summons TRE*
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Well-aware, but there's got to be a much higher correlation of favorites-brackets in that 2005-Champ group than the Sephiroth group. Regardless, I agree, it's just something to consider.

Though it's kind of disappointing to see Link drop that much in prediction-percentage, that's still 9.31% more than he had to win in 2k4. Hard to complain when you look at it like that.
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We did. Looks like our former number one picked Sephy.
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Yeah, I agree about the Seph spring overratedness. I was talking about those people when I said they were totally clueless. Not the favorites bracket makers.
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Tell me how you got that, 'cuz we're apparently going about this in two different ways. Checking it out for myself by assuming Sephiroth was constant from the VC to this summer and that Bowser would still get 40.45% on him (which, due to FF:AC, is worthy of being skeptical about, but it's the best thing I thought of quickly), Bowser DROPPED 2.97% from the VC to this summer.

I'm just using Creative's stats. Constant Seph gives Bowser 46% on Mario.
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Isn't Yoblazer prize eligible? Must suck to lose out to 10th place by a tiebreaker. Same thing happened to me in 2k4. :(

Heh, I just laughed. This is the third time a crappy tiebreaker has kept me from a bigger prize (or in this case, a prize). At this point, I wouldn't have it any other way. =P
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heh, picking Seph to win it all.. talk about a repeat of contest history.
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yay for jerry curls, and getting warned for saying that KB has a huge wang!

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Man, I can't wait until next contest. I may actually have a chance now that I know Board 8 and X-Stats exist, along with the sites showing all the previous matches.


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I'm just using Creative's stats. Constant Seph gives Bowser 46% on Mario.

Right, so I don't see where you've gotten that Bowser increased between contests when that suggests he dropped by more than you say he gained.
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Right, so I don't see where you've gotten that Bowser increased between contests when that suggests he dropped by more than you say he gained.

...my point is that Seph obviously rose between the contests, and that Bowser's no stronger than Creative's VC stats indicate.
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I think Bowser's Spring Contest ranking was legit. I think it was more on Sephiroth. He hates stats remember?
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I think Bowser's Spring Contest ranking was legit. I think it was more on Sephiroth. He hates stats remember?

Yes, it was completely legit. Sephiroth went down between 2k4 and Spring 2k5, and then rose back up for the Summer of 2k5 with Advent Children. I'm not sure why he was even brought up in the first place, assuming him to be constant in any period is pretty silly.
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Ah, I gotcha' now. I'll support that notion; I brought that up at one time trying to justify my claims of Vincent being affected in his match against Crono, though I would think it would have made more of a difference in Cloud than Sephiroth (to be fair, I still haven't seen FF:AC).
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I calculated Pac-Man and Ocelot by measuring Ocelot through 2K2 Pac-Man...then I calculated them by measuring Ocelot through SC2K5 Bowser and Bowser vs. Ocelot...then I averaged those. Pac-Man seems to high, or Ocelot seems to low otherwise...plus, it predicts Pac-Man/Kefka 2K3 fairly well, too.

As for Bowser suddenly losing to Sephiroth with 37% now (as opposed to 40.5%), I have to blame that at least partly on AC...though Bowser may have overperformed. Also, it's far from impossible that Bowser has increased between Bowser/Sephiroth and Bowser/Snake...Bowser already grew immensely from 2K4 (most likely, at least), and Bowser had about 3 months inbetween Bowser/Seph and Bowser/Snake to perhaps grow a bit more. Of course, Bowser could've overperformed against Sephiroth, as well.

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Everybody with a score of 13 or less got the match wrong.

First off, what kind of messed up bracket do you have to be to have a score of 14 and be getting matches right. 8 points come from Link vs Cloud, so the bracket had a score of 6 after the main bracket. It's not a zero bracket and I hope it's not a favorites bracket.

The top tiers made a killing on this match as expected. The top 12 tiers(except the top tier) all had a prediction percentage above 80. As you go down the tiers the prediction percentage slowly fades like in a normal match. Overall the prediction percentage was pretty good. Almost 10% better than the finals of Sc2k4.

Only 4 people fell off the Top 50. Raistlin_X, TheDock, i81icu812 and allstar17456 had Sephiroth beating Link despite the fact that they had Link over Cloud.

marsman57 was #1 going into the final match. He made the critical mistake of betting against Link and falls not quite off the Top 50 to 47th place.
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Final Results:
Mean 105.405
Median 101
Mode 79

Board Odds Project: 149
Top 5675 (16.79%)
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Final Results:
Mean 105.405
Median 101
Mode 79

Wow, I didn't think my low 129/216 was still gonna beat that.
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Wow, the mean bats for below .500. That's low. As low as Link's prediction percentage... guess we'll never, ever get 50% predicting the correct champion in a major contest.

Now, seriously. What's so hard to believe about the bracket vote screwing over Sephiroth against Cloud last year, and him being victimized by franchise voting this spring? Apart from maybe 2004, which we'll never have a clear read on, Bowser has always been ahead of Ganondorf from the start. The latter merely had more to gain from franchise votes.

By the way, the AC argument for Seph is bull. Link scored less on Sephiroth than Cloud did last year, remember? Well, where's that Cloud championship, huh? (Smartass answer: 2003. Just because someone will say it.)
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I'm still uneasy with the idea of Cloud SFF'ing Sephiroth in 2k4 when he didn't in 2k3, but...maybe?
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That's the whole idea of it being due to bracket voting. Seriously. What's the difference for a FF7 fanboy between voting for Cloud and voting for Sephiroth? Nothing, huh? So they might as well collect the free 24 points!
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Because Cloud/Seph 2003 happened two days after Cloud/Link. Cloud was anti-voted to absolute hell in that match.

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Well, isn't that funny. You're the last one I'd expect to come up with that.
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Ulti's supported that for awhile. I think it's possible, especially if Sephiroth was suffering from it as the undisputed favorite in the VC (which is still in the air, if he got anti-voted), but I'm still uneasy with my thoughts on what happened in those two Cloud/Seph matches.
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Well, this is odd.

But the problem I have with this particular idea is that there were other matches where anti-votes were a lot more likely, such as say, Mario/Crono 2002 or Starcraft/SSBM. (Ironically, in both cases it was a single guy voting thousands of times, although I doubt the motivations for them was Cloud or Wind Waker.)

Incidentally, putting Seph close to BL, like in 2003 and to a slightly lesser extent this year, makes his match with Liquid fall in line with Frog's ranking this year as if you pulled a Tetris.
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Link scored less on Sephiroth than Cloud did last year, remember? Well, where's that Cloud championship, huh?

Wait, so you're saying Sephiroth couldn't have increased due to AC because Cloud should have increased by the same proportion and beat Link?
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At the very least, he should have come anywhere close to honoring that 56-44 match. It was much closer to what happened in 2003, actually.
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Here here, for your eyes only.

2003: 48.11%
2004: 44.00%
2005: 47.37% (projected)

You get the idea.
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