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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 266
From: transience | Posted: 9/29/2005 4:08:03 PM | Message Detail
I'm sure it's because of Knuckles/Magus, but I keep getting this feeling that Knuckles would win the match. picking against Knuckles just scares me after he screwed me so bad.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/29/2005 4:13:12 PM | Message Detail
That kind of attitude had people getting Kerrigan to the Sweet 16 last time though.

Facing Magus there, duh.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/29/2005 4:16:32 PM | Message Detail
I was about to make a joke about Knuckles being able to win if Knux/Luigi was in the first round...but Knuckles and Luigi both have been one-and-outs for every year they've made the contest. Luigi's always been seeded higher Knuckles too, now that I look at it.

Just fun-facts.
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From: transience | Posted: 9/29/2005 4:26:55 PM | Message Detail
yeah, but Kerrigan was an untested character who was weak as hell. Knuckles actually beat the division favourite.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/29/2005 4:34:24 PM | Message Detail
Kerrigan was untested, but Blizzard wasn't. After Starcraft and Diablo, people were mighty scared of anything with Blizzard's namesake coming out and ****ing up their brackets.

As for the Samus situation, again...I don't take too much stock into her Lara massacre (who had plenty of reason to be overrated in 2k3, as well as plain just fall off the face of the earth after she was dropped entirely after AoD), and we never had a good number on Fisher after the 2k3 debacle. Her annihilation was more shocking thanks to Magus overrating Fisher than anything else.
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 9/29/2005 4:37:20 PM | Message Detail
As for the Samus situation, again...I don't take too much stock into her Lara massacre (who had plenty of reason to be overrated in 2k3

lol becuz Zeldaz overrreted an wil luze to Vivi amirite?

we never had a good number on Fisher after the 2k3 debacle.

Yeah, but Fisher did get a new game between 2k3 and 2k4. That match also made Gordon look far worse than he did in 2k3, so it's obvious that something was amiss. Both Sam and Gordon look far better now than they did last year. I'd put more stock into a Ryu overperformance on Sonic than anything else.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/29/2005 4:52:43 PM | Message Detail
lol becuz Zeldaz overrreted an wil luze to Vivi amirite?

No, I was actually referring to Lara overperforming due to the second Tomb Raider movie releasing on the weekend of the match. The votals for that match are also EXTREMELY high for a match of those two's caliber, which suggests something went awry there.

Yeah, but Fisher did get a new game between 2k3 and 2k4.

That only calls for improvement, which doesn't mean that much if you're pathetic to begin with. We don't have a gauge for improvement thanks to Magus, so we don't really know.

That match also made Gordon look far worse than he did in 2k3, so it's obvious that something was amiss.

Meh, if anything, 2k3 could have been the abnormality. 2k2 GF and 2k4 GF aren't really that far off.

Both Sam and Gordon look far better now than they did last year.

GF had HL2, obviously, and Sam Fisher is extrapolated through Master Chief--which is what prompted me to say I was skeptical from the onset.

I'd put more stock into a Ryu overperformance on Sonic than anything else.

Perhaps an overperformance along with whatever Samus could have done (seeing as he and KOS-MOS were the biggest disappointments by far), but it doesn't satisfy my questions. I don't think Samus was ever that legitimately strong, or Mario was ever legitimately that weak. Of course, it could be nothing, and just backlash from Mario v. Crono underrating Mario or something like that, but it just doesn't sit well with me.
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From: Heroic Dr Wily | Posted: 9/29/2005 4:55:16 PM | Message Detail
Ryu probably dropped because of the voters this year being hevaly Nintendo baised and Nintendo fans don't care about fighters besides SSBM and Scrub Calibur 2.
From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 9/29/2005 6:10:11 PM | Message Detail
The votals for that match are also EXTREMELY high for a match of those two's caliber, which suggests something went awry there.

Zelda's match with Snake was #1 this tournament, and her match with Vivi was #7. She's a great vote draw.

Perhaps an overperformance along with whatever Samus could have done (seeing as he and KOS-MOS were the biggest disappointments by far), but it doesn't satisfy my questions. I don't think Samus was ever that legitimately strong, or Mario was ever legitimately that weak. Of course, it could be nothing, and just backlash from Mario v. Crono underrating Mario or something like that, but it just doesn't sit well with me.

She's closer to a stronger Mega Man in 2k2 than he is in 2k3.
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 9/29/2005 6:12:38 PM | Message Detail
If Snake underperformed against Bowser, then he probably did the same against Zelda. Nope, I can't believe that his pictures made much of a difference. Vivi and Ryu are low enough, anyway. :P

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From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 9/29/2005 6:20:27 PM | Message Detail
Well, I have no clue what I have missed, so I will be doing some catching up this weekend. Winter contest anyone??? =)

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From: Prometheus321 | Posted: 9/29/2005 6:25:49 PM | Message Detail
tag
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/29/2005 6:44:35 PM | Message Detail
A winter contest would be fantastic, except that it's absolutely ruin me on Finals.
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From: transience | Posted: 9/29/2005 6:52:11 PM | Message Detail
you haven't missed much - x-stats adjustment conversation and people making game brackets. other than that, it's pretty slow.
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 9/29/2005 7:26:01 PM | Message Detail
I'd take Luigi over Knuckles...Nintendo characters in general boosted quite a bit more than Sonic did, and Luigi (along with Kirby) received the largest boost of them all. Knuckles wouldn't have beaten Luigi by much before this year (at best).

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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 9/29/2005 7:28:27 PM | Message Detail
We need a 128 game contest starting in the winter.
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 9/29/2005 7:30:27 PM | Message Detail
...and two matches a day at that.

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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 9/29/2005 7:32:35 PM | Message Detail
...and two matches a day at that.

Two matches a day would be silly, a four month contest would be much better...especially if it started on May 1st. Starts right after classes end, finishes right before classes begin. Absolutely fabulous.
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From: Viviff | Posted: 9/29/2005 9:46:55 PM | Message Detail
Quick question, and much needed bump apparently, but are their any non-Noble Nine characters who have only lost to Noble Nine characters?
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/29/2005 9:53:23 PM | Message Detail
Bowser comes to mind, as has Zero and probably a select few others (not counting fodder here).
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 9/29/2005 9:55:52 PM | Message Detail
Quick question, and much needed bump apparently, but are their any non-Noble Nine characters who have only lost to Noble Nine characters?

None that have been in every contest. Characters that have been in three include Bowser, Zero, and Squall for first three.
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From: Ed Bellis | Posted: 9/29/2005 9:56:11 PM | Message Detail
Zelda and Aeris as well.
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From: Acronym | Posted: 9/29/2005 9:57:39 PM | Message Detail
And Vincent and Tifa, of course.
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If Jman_gamerX8 is so smart, how come he didn't destroy me in the Guru competition?
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From: Brainstruck | Posted: 9/29/2005 10:01:00 PM | Message Detail
Quick question, and much needed bump apparently, but are their any non-Noble Nine characters who have only lost to Noble Nine characters?

Bowser (Cloud, Mario, Snake)
Zero (Sonic, Mega Man, Mario)
Aeris (Snake, Sonic)
Fox McCloud (Cloud, Link)
Zelda (Mega Man, Snake)
Frog (Snake, Samus)

Characters on the list before SC2K5: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Ryu, Magus
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From: Brainstruck | Posted: 9/29/2005 10:01:43 PM | Message Detail
I only included characters that have had 2+ matches BTW
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 9/29/2005 10:02:32 PM | Message Detail
Tidus lost to Ganon...
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From: Ed Bellis | Posted: 9/29/2005 10:03:14 PM | Message Detail
Don't forget:

Ken (Samus, Sonic)
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From: Brainstruck | Posted: 9/29/2005 10:03:34 PM | Message Detail
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From: Brainstruck | Posted: 9/29/2005 10:04:05 PM | Message Detail
Errr, Tidus should have been Auron. *slaps head*
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From: voltch | Posted: 9/30/2005 12:58:55 AM | Message Detail
so what are we gonna discuss till spring?
i can't see us discussing past matches over and over again.
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 9/30/2005 2:08:12 AM | Message Detail
Heh, sc2k5.com made it onto KSOT's site.

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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/30/2005 2:20:24 AM | Message Detail
Zelda's match with Snake was #1 this tournament, and her match with Vivi was #7. She's a great vote draw.

But not THAT great--her match with Lara is the number 3 highest voted match of all time between non-Noble Niners, right on the heels of Squall/Luigi and Tidus/Ganon (which was close).

The other thing was, that even though the trends of 2k3 were to gain more and more votes in the later rounds, she couldn't match the total votes of her match with Lara in her second round match against Mega Man.

She's closer to a stronger Mega Man in 2k2 than he is in 2k3.

LOL, WDF.

But on a more serious note, Samus is NOT closer to Mega 2k2 than Mario is to Mega 2k3 (Mario and Mega are in a dead heat in 2k3, their performances on Sephiroth were nearly identical). I'm skeptical that Mega Man was ever any weaker in 2k3 than he was in 2k2. And I'm EXTREMELY skeptical that Samus, with no games backing her up other than Super Metroid, was able to surpass Mario in what may very well have been his best year, stats be damned. Call it WDF, call it Mario underperforming against Link, but whatever you call it, I don't buy Samus being stronger.
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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/30/2005 2:33:59 AM | Message Detail
WDF never existed. MM was constant from 2k2 to 2k3 and Link obviously rose a lot. With Mario being SFF'ed and the KHF more than half of the characters that returned were obviously up, and the ones that looked like they weren't were from the same area because they were amoung the few that we got a good read on.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/30/2005 2:36:48 AM | Message Detail
Which would mean basically the same thing in the end--Mario was higher than Samus. Call it what you will.
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From: jonthomson | Posted: 9/30/2005 2:42:53 AM | Message Detail
My character-by-character analysis is now done. I'll be posting it in a separate topic later today.
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From: Explicit Content | Posted: 9/30/2005 3:34:08 AM | Message Detail
KSOT?

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Cheer up Emo kids. Nominate Prince of Persia for 2K6.
From: UItimaterializer | Posted: 9/30/2005 3:37:26 AM | Message Detail
http://www.ksot.com/BoardsFAQ.html

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From: Explicit Content | Posted: 9/30/2005 3:46:40 AM | Message Detail
Intresting little site, can't believe I've never heard about it before though.

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Cheer up Emo kids. Nominate Prince of Persia for 2K6.
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 9/30/2005 3:49:33 AM | Message Detail
Eh, it happens. I used to be an MBH junkie, so I know most of GF's little ins and outs.

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From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/30/2005 8:12:49 AM | Message Detail
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow is in the lead on the PotD. Never really expected many people hyping for a handheld game (LCS is in 2nd), but the other options aren't that good anyways.
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From: jonthomson | Posted: 9/30/2005 8:31:47 AM | Message Detail
My character-by-character analysis is now done. I'll be posting it in a separate topic later today.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=23827633

It's a lengthy read, but not stupidly long.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/30/2005 8:34:39 AM | Message Detail
Skimming over it, not too bad, except for giving Crono waaaay too much credit. He just stunk this year.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/30/2005 10:28:00 AM | Message Detail
By the way, does anyone have that bracket based on board nominations I concocted during the nomination period? I'm sure some freak has all these topics archived and laughs his ass off at how stupid we once were (and if that's the case, don't bother looking after 187, I remember it being the one where the whole George Romero thing went down).

Anyway, if anyone finds the bracket, it'd be fun to predict it after the contest is done with.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/30/2005 10:30:01 AM | Message Detail
I know that I'd be tempted to pick whoever the 16-seed is that gets to face Kerrigan, heh.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/30/2005 10:32:32 AM | Message Detail
Man. I totally forgot about that. Now I desperately want to know what kind of cannon fodder had a shot at winning a match over a top seed.
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From: Kyle Bowen | Posted: 9/30/2005 10:33:03 AM | Message Detail
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From: transience | Posted: 9/30/2005 10:34:44 AM | Message Detail
TRE's archives them, but it seems like it only goes up to a certain point. we'll have to get him in here. I'd rather like to read pre-contest predictions myself, just for humour's sake.

*summons TRE*
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From: TRE Public Account | Posted: 9/30/2005 12:13:37 PM | Message Detail
I'm sure some freak has all these topics archived and laughs his ass off at how stupid we once were

*cough*

I won't be home for another 10 and a half hours or so though so you'll have to wait until then.

TRE's archives them, but it seems like it only goes up to a certain point. we'll have to get him in here. I'd rather like to read pre-contest predictions myself, just for humour's sake.

I archived all the stats topics starting from when the nominations opened to when the contest closes for the Spring and Summer 2005 Contest. For older topics you need to check sc2k4.com. Unfortunatly there is a large gap between when sc2k4 stopped archiving topics and when I started so a lot of topics were lost.
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From: Explicit Content | Posted: 9/30/2005 1:11:42 PM | Message Detail
yo I fully expect you to create a Prince Of Persia army, and for me to be your loyal flunky.

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Cheer up Emo kids. Nominate Prince of Persia for 2K6.
From: cyko | Posted: 9/30/2005 6:41:39 PM | Message Detail
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 9/29/2005 10:28:27 PM | Message Detail | #046
We need a 128 game contest starting in the winter.

From: Haste2 | Posted: 9/29/2005 10:30:27 PM | Message Detail | #047
...and two matches a day at that.


a 128 character or game match with two polls side by side is an idea that i've always supported. vote totals for each match would be a little lower than usual, but i still think it would work.

also, over five hours without a post? ah, the off-season is nice. now i might be able to keep up. ^_^

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