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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 264
From: Yesmar | Posted: 9/24/2005 8:33:17 AM | Message Detail
We've already done it, but assuming 2003 Snake = 2005 Snake. The main problem is that it put 2004 Samus above Mario, so it took almost a week to find a good adjustment.

But if you assume Mega Man is constant, than it does put Mario ahead of 2004 Samus.
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Jman_gamerX8 PWNed me in the Guru Contest. . . .Stupid Cloud.
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/24/2005 8:35:23 AM | Message Detail
Here's the kicker... Megaman was probably not constant. 2003 Snake already gives generous boosts to a large portion of the field, we'd be hard-pressed to be any more generous. (Gordon Freeman comes to mind.) Besides, Megaman being constant means Crono being virtually constant as well, and he didn't exactly perform as good as last year.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: Tediz247 | Posted: 9/24/2005 8:35:40 AM | Message Detail
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From: Dranze | Posted: 9/24/2005 8:36:04 AM | Message Detail
What do you mean by that?

I mean if Mario's value on this year's Link is 39.59% (From what I got..) how do you change it to 41.95%, which is a totally different Link?
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I got MARIOWNED by Jman_gamerX8, winner of the Guru contest.
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/24/2005 8:38:30 AM | Message Detail
That's running off the assumption of a constant Cloud between 2003 and 2004, which is the entire basis of the 2004 X-Sts in the first place.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: Dranze | Posted: 9/24/2005 8:41:15 AM | Message Detail
Yeah, but is there any calculation to change say, a 2004 Value on Link to baselink?
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I got MARIOWNED by Jman_gamerX8, winner of the Guru contest.
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/24/2005 8:44:38 AM | Message Detail
Yes.

To transfer from 2004 Link to BL: multiply by 1.072.
To transfer from 2005 Link to BL: multiply by 1.060.

If you want to go from BL to another Link, divide instead.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/24/2005 9:05:39 AM | Message Detail
I'm not really into using BL IMO
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Congrats to Jman_gamerX8 for winning the Guru Contest.
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/24/2005 9:35:21 AM | Message Detail
Well here's my verison of the x-st.

1. Link - 50.00%
2. Cloud - 47.56%
3. Sephiroth - 45.06%
4. Samus Aran - 39.63%*
5. Mario Mario - 39.59%
6. Crono - 36.54%
7. Mega Man - 35.55%
8. Sonic the Hedgehog - 35.29%
9. Solid Snake - 33.88%
10. Ganondorf - 31.97%*
11. Zelda - 30.89%
12. Bowser - 30.86%*
13. Tifa Lockheart - 30.77%
14. Kirby - 29.55%*
15. Vincent Valentine - 29.55%*
16. Zero - 29.41%
17. Auron - 29.35%*
18. Squall Leonhart - 29.20%*
19. Luigi Mario - 28.71%
20. Sora - 28.42%*
21. Master Chief - 28.29%
22. Donkey Kong - 27.84%
23. Dante Sparda - 27.19%*
24. Knuckles the Echidna - 26.98%*
25. Yoshi - 26.70%*
26. Janus “Magus” Zeal - 26.52%*
27. Alucard Tepes - 25.37%*
28. Ryu Hoshi - 25.32%*
29. Leon S. Kennedy - 25.20%
30. Tidus - 25.03%*
31. Vivi Ornitier - 24.98%
32. Yuna - 24.81%*
33. Frog - 23.74%*
34. Riku - 22.95%*
35. Kratos - 22.57%*
36. Rikku - 22.42%*
37. Diablo - 22.20%
38. Pac-Man - 21.59%*
39. Ryu Hayabusa - 21.46%
40. Tommy Vercetti - 21.30%
41. Chun-Li - 21.05%*
42. Revolver Ocelot - 21.05%*
43. Gordon Freeman - 20.88%
44. Kefka Palazzo - 20.81%
45. Ness - 20.52%*
46. Sam Fisher - 19.62%
47. KOS-MOS - 19.52%
48. Kratos Aurion - 19.20%
49. Carl “CJ” Johnson - 18.41%*
50. CATS - 17.64%
51. Conker - 17.05%
52. Zidane Tribal - 17.01%
53. Jin Kazama - 16.83%
54. Big Boss - 16.75%*
55. Agent 47 - 16.64%*
56. Lloyd Irving - 15.73%
57. Terra Branford - 15.50%*
58. Joanna Dark - 15.13%
59. Geno - 14.69%*
60. Cecil - 14.65%*
61. Albert Wesker - 14.25%
62. Laharl - 14.07%*
63. King of All Cosmos - 13.75%*
64. Vyse - 13.50%
65. Sarah Kerrigan - 12.41%*
66. Manny Calavera - 10.78%
67. Yuri Hyuga - 10.05%*

Ness/CJ - Very straight foward. I used Auron.
Zebes Division - Again this also had to be adjusted I finally gave up and chosed Ganondorf's spring numbers.
Sora's 4-pack - I don't think there was any SFF, but something did happened.
Dream Division - Many numbers pointed that this division was overrated. I'm not sure if it's true, but I changed it for the hell of it.
Devil Division - Something weird happened on Crono/Vincent. I used Squall's numbers since it also predicted that Snake would beat Knuckles 60/40.
Yoshi/Laharl - I used Laharl's 2k4 numbers here.
Pac-Man/Ocelot - Doubled SFF here. I used Ocelot's spring numbers.
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Congrats to Jman_gamerX8 for winning the Guru Contest.
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/24/2005 9:55:26 AM | Message Detail
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/24/2005 12:05:39 PM | #408
I'm not really into using BL IMO

What in the world does it change? The ratios between everything stay the same no matter what you use, BL is only there for the purpose of year-to-year comparison.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/24/2005 9:58:46 AM | Message Detail
Oh, or you could have used my method and gave Samus 39.50% on Link like it would've gone last year. Link seemingly dropped a little bit between 2004 and 2005, but not enough to attribute it on anything else than random variation - either way, that drop is a difference maker in whether Samus ends up below or above Mario.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: Haste2 | Posted: 9/24/2005 10:10:25 AM | Message Detail
It doesn't matter if Samus is below or above Mario. The difference of making Samus .5% above Mario and making Samus .5% below Mario would make a 1-2% difference in Mario vs. Samus...Mario will win handily regardless.

Mario probably would've beaten Samus last year, too, but it would've been much closer.

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Jman_gamerX8 beat me in the Guru Challenge! *gives Jman a glass of punch and a slice of cake*
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/24/2005 10:15:25 AM | Message Detail
I know that, but look how everyone moved on to attacking the Devil division once Samus was taken care of. Obviously people care... some of them were flat-out outraged, as if Samus couldn't possibly have done as good on Snake as Mario did.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: BeTheMan | Posted: 9/24/2005 10:53:52 AM | Message Detail
Heh...my feeble attempt at adjusting this year's stats (explanation in following post)

Link - 50.00%
Cloud - 47.56%
Sephiroth - 45.06%
Mario - 39.59%
*Samus - 39.59%*
Crono - 36.54%
Mega Man - 35.55%
Sonic the Hedgehog - 35.29%
Solid Snake - 33.88%
Bowser - 33.48%
*Ganondorf - 33.48%*
Zelda - 30.89%
Tifa Lockheart - 30.77%
*Auron - 30.73%*
2) Vincent Valentine - 30.42%
2) Squall Leonhart - 30.13%
1) Kirby - 29.56%
Zero - 29.41%
4) Yoshi - 29.23%
Luigi - 28.70%
3) Sora - 28.42%
Master Chief - 28.29%
2) Dante - 27.99%
2) Knuckles the Echidna - 27.84%
Donkey Kong - 27.84%
Ryu - 27.47%
2) Magus - 27.36%
*Yuna - 25.98%*
3) Alucard - 25.37%
Leon Kennedy - 25.20%
1) Tidus - 25.04%
Vivi - 24.98%
Rikku - 24.33%
*Frog - 23.71%*
*Riku - 22.92%*
5) Ness - 22.88%
Chun Li - 22.83%
3) Kratos - 22.57%
Diablo - 22.20%
Ryu Hayabusa - 21.76%
4) Pac-Man - 21.73%
Tommy Vercetti - 21.30%
4) Revolver Ocelot - 21.19%
Gordon Freeman - 20.88%
Kefka - 20.81%
2) Zidane - 20.81%
5) Carl Johnson - 19.99%
Sam Fisher - 19.62%
KOS-MOS - 19.52%
Kratos Aurion - 19.20%
CATS - 17.64%
*Big Boss - 17.53%*
Conker - 17.05%
Jin Kazama - 16.83%
3) Agent 47 - 16.64%
2) Terra - 15.95%
Lloyd Irving - 15.73%
6) Vyse - 15.59%
4) Laharl - 15.40%
2) Geno - 15.16%
Joanna Dark - 15.12%
1) Cecil - 14.66%
Albert Wesker - 14.25%
1) King of all Cosmos - 13.75%
2) Sarah Kerrigan - 12.78%
Manny Calavera - 10.78%
Yuri - 10.04%
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?
From: BeTheMan | Posted: 9/24/2005 10:54:10 AM | Message Detail
Notes on adjustments -

*Samus*, *Ganondorf* (and so on) - The controversial topic. I set Samus equal to Mario, because while I couldn't justify putting her over him, it simply wouldn't make sense to drop Samus down close to Crono. The problem that came with setting Samus even this low was that it made the Ganondorf four-pack seem a little weaker than it should have been, so I compared Sephy/Ganondorf to Sephy/Bowser, and ran Ganondorf's four-pack through that...but having G-dorf above Snake seemed awkward since G-dorf would likely never have the kind of match pic advantage over Snake that Bowser managed (plus it made the rest of the four-pack seem a little too strong), so I went back and set Ganondorf = Bowser.

1) Kirby being 30%+ on Link would be very odd, wouldn't it? I blame the weak vote totals in Bowser/Kirby for skewing that match, so Kirby was calculated by comparing Mega Man/Tidus to Kirby/Tidus. This would mean that Kirby = 41.58% on Mega, which puts Kirby at 29.56%.

2) Square SFF was dealt with as follows:

* Based on the assumption that Squall and Cloud would have gone through fairly similar shifts as compared to Link since 2003, I estimated Squall by giving him .95 of his 2k3 value.
* Based on the assumption that SFF exists between CT and FF7 (which seems likely going by the Sp2k4 results), I estimated a 3% overperformance by Vincent against Crono.
* Zidane is extremely difficult to measure. He performed a bit better against Crono than Kefka did in 2k3, but Kefka likely suffered from a greater deal of SFF than Zidane did. I'm setting Zidane as being approximately equal to Kefka in these standings, but that's simply a guess.

3) Sora was another tricky calculation. Keeping him constant through Ryu H. would put him at 28.42%, but that feels too high. Still, it's a number that seems to put Alucard, Kratos, and Agent 47 in fairly reasonable spots, so it will work as a reasonable ballpark figure.

4) Ugh. Yoshi's just a pain to calculate. I plopped him between Bowser, Kirby, and Luigi the best that I could. Going by the spring stats, Ocelot would rate a 21.42 through Kefka, and a 20.97 through Diablo, so I took the average and calculated Ocelot and Pac-Man through that.

5) To get Ness and CJ, I ran Ness through Auron, and assumed that Ness would have done slightly better against Auron this year if they had faced off.

6) With Vyse...I figured that he benefited from anti-votes against Cloud, got SFF'd by Tifa, and outfoddered Laharl, so I split the difference between he would rate through Cloud and through Tifa and plopped Vyse in there...which works out quite nicely.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/24/2005 12:15:33 PM | Message Detail
Okay, so I had a thought ast night, but at too late of an hour to do anything about it. What I though, and I've checked this, is that 2k3 Seph and 2k3 Mega are about as far apart as 2k5 seph and 2k5 Mega. Did the math and Mega is only expected to get half a % more on Seph now than 2 years ago. Make of this what you will, I know that I'm going to.
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Jman_gamerX8 teamed up with Mario to kick my ass!
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/24/2005 12:21:24 PM | Message Detail
I already knew that. I predicted Link/Sephiroth by a mere .5% away by using a constant Mega Man (Crono seems to be constant as well) and working my way up to Sephiroth and by using the difference between Link/Cloud.
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Congrats to Jman_gamerX8 for winning the Guru Contest.
From: Delirium Trigger | Posted: 9/24/2005 12:31:39 PM | Message Detail
Not that adjusted x-stats are precise to begin with, I found BTM's extremely hilarious, not so much as I think they're bad, which they're not, I just found it amusing how you went about getting values.

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Explicit Content. Prince of Persia for 2K6!
Cheer Up Emo Kids.
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/24/2005 12:40:56 PM | Message Detail
From: Delirium Trigger | Posted: 9/24/2005 3:31:39 PM | #418
Not that adjusted x-stats are precise to begin with, I found BTM's extremely hilarious, not so much as I think they're bad, which they're not, I just found it amusing how you went about getting values.

I second that.

On another subject, I may have found another way to adjust Yoshi... time to whip out the calculator.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/24/2005 12:56:57 PM | Message Detail
Here we go... trying to figure out what 2005 Yoshi gets on 2004 Luigi. The idea here is that Pac-Man was SFFed in similar fashion between the two - although, to be frank, I'd tend to believe Luigi has more reason to SFF Pac-Man due to the respective age of the charachers.

Arbitrarily setting Yoshi 2005 at 50.00, we get 27.17 for Pac-Man. Pac-Man got 32.27% against Luigi 2004, putting him at 42.10%. Luigi was set at 24.62 in 2004, so that puts Yoshi at 29.24... barely any better than the value through constant Laharl.

Take that as you will, but that's yet another thing that points to Yoshi's boost being small compared to the rest of the Mario cast.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/24/2005 1:10:18 PM | Message Detail
And here's what my version of the stats looks like with that plugged in:

1 Link 52.97
2 Cloud Strife 50.39
3 Sephiroth 47.74
4 Mario Mario 41.95
5 Samus Aran 41.85
6 Crono 38.72
7 Megaman 37.67
8 Sonic the Hedgehog 37.39
9 Solid Snake 35.90
10 Bowser 35.48
11 Kirby 33.98
12 Ganondorf Dragmire 33.77
13 Zelda 32.73
14 Tifa Lockheart 32.60
15 Vincent Valentine 32.10
16 Squall Leonhart 31.72
17 Zero 31.16
18 Auron 31.00
19 Luigi Mario 30.41
20 Master Chief 29.98
21 Dante Sparda 29.53
22 Donkey Kong 29.51
23 Knuckles the Echidna 29.31
24 Yoshi 29.24
25 Ryu (SF) 29.02
26 Sora 28.93
27 Janus "Magus" Zeal 28.81
28 Tidus 28.77
29 Leon Kennedy 26.70
30 Vivi Ornitier 26.47
31 Yuna 26.20
32 Alucard Tepes 25.83
33 Rikku 25.77
34 Frog 25.06
35 Riku 24.22
36 Chun-Li 24.20
37 Diablo 23.53
38 Ryu Hayabusa 23.06
39 Kratos (GoW) 22.98
40 Ness 22.71
41 Tommy Vercetti 22.58
42 Gordon Freeman 22.13
43 Kefka Palazzo 22.07
44 Pac-Man 21.65
45 Revolver Ocelot 21.11
46 Sam Fisher 20.79
47 KOS-MOS 20.69
48 Carl Johnson 20.38
49 Kratos Aurion 20.35
50 CATS 18.68
51 Conker 18.06
52 Zidane Tribal 18.03
53 Jin Kazama 17.84
54 Big Boss 17.69
55 Agent 47 16.94
56 Cecil Harvey 16.85
57 Terra Branford 16.83
58 Lloyd Irving 16.63
59 Joanna Dark 15.99
60 Geno 15.96
61 King of all Cosmos 15.80
62 Laharl 15.40
63 Albert Wesker 15.11
64 Vyse 14.3
65 Sarah Kerrigan 13.48
66 Manny Calavera 11.43
67 Yuri Hyuga 10.61

Yoshi passes Ryu, and Laharl stays where he is.

Quick summary of how I changed everything, since I messed with most of the adjustments since the first stats I made:

1. Mario/Ness: Plugged in the 2004 value once adjusted for Cloud/Seph SFF.

2. Mario/Samus: Kept the Link/Samus ratio the same as last year.

3. Snake/Sora: Plugged Sora's 2004 value in.

4. Crono/Vincent: Plugged Squall's 2003/04 value in. (Other than Link, has anyone ever acted as a measuring stick twice in a row?)

5. Megaman/Yoshi: Assumed equal SFF in Pac-Man's matches against Luigi and Yoshi.

6. Yoshi/Pac-Man: Gave Pac-Man a value through his match with Kefka.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: Smurf87 | Posted: 9/24/2005 1:17:41 PM | Message Detail
Give it a rest Slow, those x-stats fail.
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Tombolown'd-I couldn't HANDLE the Tombolo!
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/24/2005 1:22:09 PM | Message Detail
Thank you. It means a lot for me, coming from you.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: Ed_Bellis | Posted: 9/24/2005 1:45:04 PM | Message Detail
Since it's probably going to become the trendy thing to do soon, here is my sample 2006 game bracket. FF7 is taken out and there are mixed divisions without system caps. I didn't focus on the long-term matches so much as creating interesting first- and second-round matches. (Oh, and being a GameFAQs bracket, there are several intentional "WTF" moments with seeding and the like.) What do you all think?

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1. Super Mario Bros. 3
8. Animal Crossing

4. Metroid Prime
5. Final Fantasy VIII

3. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
6. World of Warcraft

2. Halo: Combat Evolved
7. Fire Emblem

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1. Halo 2
8. Diablo 2

4. Super Metroid
5. Final Fantasy Tactics

3. God of War
6. Ico

2. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
7. Tales of Symphonia

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1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
8. Suikoden 4

4. Doom
5. Katamari Damacy

3. Mega Man 2
6. Street Fighter 2

2. Resident Evil 4
7. Xenosaga: Episode 1

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1. Super Smash Bros. Melee
8. Tekken

4. Planescape: Torment
5. Tetris

3. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
6. Kirby: Canvas Curse

2. Sonic 3 & Knuckles
7. Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 2

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1. Final Fantasy X
8. Skies of Arcadia Legends

4. Super Mario 64
5. Guilty Gear XX

3. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
6. Morrowind

2. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
7. Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks

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1. Half-Life 2
8. Chrono Cross

4. Earthbound
5. Devil May Cry 3: Dante’s Awakening

3. The Legend of Zelda
6. Starcraft

2. Super Mario World
7. Advance Wars

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1. Metal Gear Solid
8. Star Ocean 3: Til the End of Time

4. Pac-Man
5. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City

3. Sonic the Hedgehog 2
6. Mega Man 3

2. Kingdom Hearts
7. Contra

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1. Chrono Trigger
8. F-Zero GX

4. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
5. Dance Dance Revolution

3. Ninja Gaiden
6. Super Mario RPG

2. Final Fantasy VI
7. Soul Calibur 2

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The paternity tests are in, and Jman_gamerX8 is my daddy. Congrats, buddy.
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/24/2005 1:46:01 PM | Message Detail
I hope taking out FF7 doesn't become the trendy thing to do, though.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 9/24/2005 1:48:26 PM | Message Detail
There's only one game that could stop OOT from taking the main bracket and that's TP if FF7 is taken out.
From: Lopen | Posted: 9/24/2005 1:52:47 PM | Message Detail
Heh, as much as I wouldn't want to see FF VII win again, I'd absolutely hate seeing Ocarina of Time win. Taking both out, however... that makes the winner pretty freaking debatable though.

Bracket's pretty sweet. I like the possible 5v6 final setup for Starcraft's division... heheh.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Jman_gamerX8 puts not only Lopen's bracket making skills to shame, but also Raiden's... unheard of!
From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 9/24/2005 1:54:23 PM | Message Detail
I'm thinking that Suiko IV in there is a little iffy. It wasn't well received with the majority of Suiko fans, so I'd consider Suiko 3 in its place.

And two Mega Man games, but both from the classic era? I'd sub one of them out for one of the X games, or possibly the first Zero game.
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Congrats to Jman_gamerX8, the SC2K5 Guru champ!
Citan Uzuki and Mewtwo clash at www.rpgdl.com!
From: transience | Posted: 9/24/2005 1:59:18 PM | Message Detail
I made a game bracket that's getting a bit of debate here:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=23722395

I made a mistake and removed a division by accident, so the second bracket on the page is the one you'll want to use. feel free to predict that.


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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.
From: swirldude | Posted: 9/24/2005 2:51:46 PM | Message Detail
No Final Fantasy 7 vs Animal Crossing matches yet?
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So, if someone says "Who are The Patriots?" people will be able to answer "Oakland"? ~paperwarrior
Jman_gamerX8 + me + Guru Contest = PWNED!
From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 9/24/2005 2:52:28 PM | Message Detail
MMX1 is probably the strongest Mega Man game, so that's your best bet.

Div 2 is weak, switch it with Div 4. SSBM vs. SMB3 would be way more interesting than SSBM vs. OoT.

Heh, I'd pick a Nintendo game to win every one of the first 6 divisions. Awesome.

WTF? CT and FFVI in the same division? What's the point of that? Put FFVI somewhere else, preferable against SMB3 or SSBM.

Games missing: The Prince of Persia, Star Fox 64, SMB1, Twilight Princess, Kirby Super Star (although CC might be better) New Super Mario Bros, Metroid Prime Hunters, Super Mario Kart/Mario Kart 64, Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time.

Unnecessary games: Fire Emblem (WTF? It got doubled by freakin' FFTA), ICO (Perhaps), Suikoden 4, MM 2/3 (Sub in MMX for one), MK:Shaolin Monks, Doom, Guilty Gear XX, Tekken, Katamari Damacy, Skies of Arcadia, Advance Wars, DMC3 (DMC would be way better), Pac Man, Contra, and DDR. I wouldn't expect any of those (except perhaps Ico) to do well in the bracket at all.

There are a few good matches, most notably everything in div 2, but I think it could be better.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.
Congrats to Jman, for knowing that on GameFAQs, men are always > women.
From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 9/24/2005 2:55:15 PM | Message Detail
No Final Fantasy 7 vs Animal Crossing matches yet?

lol...
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb
Crushed by Jman_gamerX8 as badly as Link beat Cloud.
From: Lopen | Posted: 9/24/2005 2:56:33 PM | Message Detail
I'd expect Devil May Cry 3 to do as well as Devil May Cry would. Perhaps a bit better. Both were well received, and while DMC3 may have sold a bit less, it's also more recent. And it's probably get the votes of most DMC fans anyway.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Jman_gamerX8 puts not only Lopen's bracket making skills to shame, but also Raiden's... unheard of!
From: swirldude | Posted: 9/24/2005 2:56:53 PM | Message Detail
Katamari Damacy unnecessary? You fiend!
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So, if someone says "Who are The Patriots?" people will be able to answer "Oakland"? ~paperwarrior
Jman_gamerX8 + me + Guru Contest = PWNED!
From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 9/24/2005 3:01:35 PM | Message Detail
I'd expect Devil May Cry 3 to do as well as Devil May Cry would. Perhaps a bit better. Both were well received, and while DMC3 may have sold a bit less, it's also more recent. And it's probably get the votes of most DMC fans anyway.

DMC sold more than three times as well as DMC3, and its sales are probably increasing at a faster rate, thanks to its GH status.

I can't see KD doing well after the King's fairly poor performance in the Summer...at least not well enought to put it ahead of the games I mentioned.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.
Congrats to Jman, for knowing that on GameFAQs, men are always > women.
From: therealmnm | Posted: 9/24/2005 3:02:12 PM | Message Detail
hmmm... x-stats stuff... yeah.

random post since I haven't posted in a while...
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From: Lopen | Posted: 9/24/2005 3:05:26 PM | Message Detail
Eh, I just think that most people who played and enjoyed DMC would likely similarly vote DMC3. And because DMC3 is often preferred to DMC among those who have played both, it would get some extra votes against stronger opponents.

Man, is there a site that gives sales numbers for games, like up to date ones? I can't find any for the life of me for some reason, and I'd like to actually know that DMC3 sold 1/3rd what DMC1 did next time... heheh.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Jman_gamerX8 puts not only Lopen's bracket making skills to shame, but also Raiden's... unheard of!
From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 9/24/2005 4:04:48 PM | Message Detail
No sites do that anymore, unfortunately. The best way to go about things is just adding up numbers from the NPD. IIRC's HM's calculations had DMC3 at ~299,000 at the end of May, while DMC1 was at ~1.1M at the same time. The lowest games on the charts have sold, IIRC, less than 15,000 copies/month since then, so DMC3 is less than 350K for sure, and likely far lower. Its sales were extremely disappointing, but hopefully going GH will remedy this.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.
Congrats to Jman, for knowing that on GameFAQs, men are always > women.
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/24/2005 4:08:54 PM | Message Detail
No sites do that anymore, unfortunately.

How the heck does HM come out with these numbers then? Does he poop his Alpha Bits intact and the way they line up in the toilet are the sales numbers? ;)
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 9/24/2005 4:13:26 PM | Message Detail
No sites do that anymore, unfortunately. The best way to go about things is just adding up numbers from the NPD.

*cough*

By that I mean the monthly numbers that are released every month, of course. Also, sales figures for specific series/companies are released sometimes, like how just a little while ago Sony released a press release for sales of the Gran Turismo series. Square-Enix did the same thing for all their worldwide 2 million sellers, and Nintendo's done it with Zelda. Also, the NPD released all the games that have sold over 500,000 copies this generation, as of May 2k5. You just have to save all of that stuff whenever it appears.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.
Congrats to Jman, for knowing that on GameFAQs, men are always > women.
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/24/2005 4:15:33 PM | Message Detail
That's what I get for reading diagonally.

Anyway, I'm curious as to how much of that stuff HM has saved.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: Lopen | Posted: 9/24/2005 4:18:38 PM | Message Detail
Any convenient site for consolidated NPD, then? Or even just the ones for the current month? (which I'm assuming is the only option, since no cumulative ones exist)

I'm ignorant on the topic and would like to be... a bit less so. Even though it's not that high on my priorities... *creates "The More You Know" logo*

I know it's gonna be something stupid like NPD.com or some crap like that... heh heh.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Jman_gamerX8 puts not only Lopen's bracket making skills to shame, but also Raiden's... unheard of!
From: Tinister | Posted: 9/24/2005 8:09:12 PM | Message Detail
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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/24/2005 9:44:26 PM | Message Detail
The last site I was aware of that had NPD data got shut down by the NPD. they don't like having their info given out for free.
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 9/24/2005 9:45:44 PM | Message Detail
I hope comparing X-Stats isn't like comparing wangs, because I have no ****ing clue how to make them.
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where Jman_gamerX8 kicked my ass.
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/24/2005 9:47:50 PM | Message Detail
It's very, very easy once you've done them. Just play with them and you'll get the hang of it, the formula's are readily available in the first post of every csad.
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Jman_gamerX8 teamed up with Mario to kick my ass!
From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 9/24/2005 9:50:25 PM | Message Detail
You're right. I use the formulas often, but I've never sat down and just created my own set of stats. I probably won't unless I feel the absolute need to, as 2K6 can easily give us as big a voting shift as what we've seen this year.
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where Jman_gamerX8 kicked my ass.
From: Haste2 | Posted: 9/24/2005 10:38:46 PM | Message Detail
What's everyone's thoughts on doing a normal character contest for SC2K6? I'm against it, personally.

This year was supposed to be a nightmare to predict...it turned out it wasn't all that difficult. The favored character won the vast majority of the time. The scores in SC2K2 and SC2K3 were worse in those than in this one. Mainly because all the matches from Round 3 and later were so predictable...

Yes, Round 1 was great. After that it was just like all the other past contests...just too predictable. I mean, KOS-MOS was the ultimate loser, and there was debate in every single match in that line of losses all the way up to Sephiroth. That just...annoys me.

I don't care if there's a slew of huge games coming out, either. They'll make a difference, yes, but I guarantee they won't make a phenomonal difference.

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Jman_gamerX8 beat me in the Guru Challenge! *gives Jman a glass of punch and a slice of cake*
From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 9/24/2005 10:42:50 PM | Message Detail
I'm hoping for a Summer Game Contest, myelf, but I wouldn't have a problem with Character Battle V, assuming, of course, that it isn't another 2004 SFF-fest.
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where Jman_gamerX8 kicked my ass.
From: Draco1214 | Posted: 9/24/2005 10:46:23 PM | Message Detail
We need to have another game contest, but without the crappy division system, if anything, to see games like World of Warcraft, Resident Evil 4, Devil May Cry, and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas in action.
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Pwned by Jman_gamerX8 in the Guru Contest.
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