yeah, over the weeks of your bashing the stats I've come to realize that it's not the stats you hate but how the contest has become predictable. we even know who is going to take the vote at what time. I don't think we can ever have a contest that will be all that unpredictable again. this is why I want a game contest so bad: we have less data.

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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

6 - Summer 2003

Someone didn't like Link getting owned.


By the way, what we need are like two or three game contests in a row. Don't ditch character battles altogether, but games have a ton of potential in these contests, especially in a balanced bracket.

Spring 2006 - 32 Next-Gen games in a bracket.
Summer 2006 - 64 games in a bracket, nominated in the same way as characters.

By the time you get to the next character battle after that, the stats we'll have from this contest will be two years old and invalid. Pwnstick.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Just Got Owned By: Jman_gamerX8, King of Gurus. Congrats!

From: transience | Posted: 9/23/2005 3:28:41 AM | Message Detail | #201
yeah, over the weeks of your bashing the stats I've come to realize that it's not the stats you hate but how the contest has become predictable. we even know who is going to take the vote at what time. I don't think we can ever have a contest that will be all that unpredictable again. this is why I want a game contest so bad: we have less data.

That post is 100% correct.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Just Got Owned By: Jman_gamerX8, King of Gurus. Congrats!

oh, and a thank you to creativename for sc2k5, Kaxon and his boys for the Oracle, Ngamer for the guru contest and everyone else who did stuff. I'm sure I'm missing someone.
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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

I gotta say I'd like to see a game contest where the layout WASN'T changed halfway through. ;)
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Vincent WILL break 60% on Dante.
(Place Holder for sig bet with YoYoChamp made 3/24/05)

Yes, that was absolutely ****ing ridiculous. Granted it probably caused CT to beat LTTP, but still.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Just Got Owned By: Jman_gamerX8, King of Gurus. Congrats!

I'd like to give a special thank you to the extrapolated standings for ruining a good deal of the luster that these contests once had. Excitement and hanging on every update still happens every now and then, but it's just not what it used to be due to the matches no longer being about who wins and more about pinpointing exactly where the characters are supposed to land, right down to the last .01%. Even in the closest matches we had this year (MC/DK, Squall/Vincent, Sonic/Mega Man, etc), I just didn't feel the same excitement that I felt with, say.... Starcraft/Halo or Mario/Crono 2003.

That doesn't really have too much to do with Extrapolated Standings. If it's a good close match, the Extrapolated Standings make no claim as to who the winner will be. I would think trying to predict the percentage a character will land at would add more excitement to a match. Afterall most matches have a clearcut winner right from the start. The only thing to look forward to is to see how much they win by.
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I was owned and obliterated by Jman_gamerX8.
Congrats to him for winning the Summer 2005 Guru Contest!

A lot less matches have a clear winner if the stats don't exist.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Just Got Owned By: Jman_gamerX8, King of Gurus. Congrats!

Someone didn't like Link getting owned.

Not in the least. =D
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I was owned and obliterated by Jman_gamerX8.
Congrats to him for winning the Summer 2005 Guru Contest!

As for the matches... these are the matches I thought were best, and I doubt most are gonna agree with me at all here... except for the first two. (with small writeups, yay!)

1. Master Chief/DK

Sure, many saw this comeback coming, but it's still awesome to see it happen. I'm just a sucker for huge comebacks, and Master Chief is the king of comebacks.

2. TV/Kefka

Who cares if it was tainted by cheating, it was still really fun to watch. With all the talk of those "barriers" and that nonsense. Plus it was nothing short of shocking to leave with Kefka winning by like 200 and then come back 2 hours later to see Vercetti 2000 ahead. Heheh.

3. Dante/Vincent

This one would truly be #1 if Dante had pulled it off. Still, it shut up all of the oh so annoying Vincent fanboys in here. And that was worth it. Dante crushing him 55-45 with the board vote was freaking awesome, too.

4. Kirby/Bowser

Just because Kirby actually seemed like he could take this match at a point. Nothing would make me happier than to see Kirby in the Elite 8... or even better the final 4!

5. Master Chief/Crono

What can I say? Master Chief gaining mad % and sometimes votes over the day just doesn't get old to me. A near blowout match shouldn't have been that entertaining, but it was to me. Seeing Master Chief almost win an update when he was getting 70-30ed at night... well the only thing better would be him actually winning an update. (or winning the match... ah ha)
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Raiden fact of the contest: Jman_gamerX8 puts not only Lopen's bracket making skills to shame, but also Raiden's... unheard of!

I was thinking of a contest of just this generation games as well. Let me see how I can make a 32 game bracket.

Final Stage Division
1. Super Smash Brothers Melee
8. Xenosaga
4. Metal Gear Solid 2
5. Soul Calibur 2
3. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
6. Diablo II
2. Kingdom Hearts
7. Fable

Aiur Division
1. Starcraft
8. Final Fantasy XI
4. Warcraft 3
5. Civilization III
3. Resident Evil 4
6. Silent Hill 2
2. Halo
7. Ninja Gaiden

Tower of Gods Divison
1. Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
8. Tekken 4
4. Metroid Prime
5. Gran Turismo 4
3. Metal Gear Solid 3
6. Devil May Cry
2. Final Fantasy X
7. Mario Kart: Double Dash

Halo Division
1. Halo 2'
8. Pikmin
4. Half Life 2
5. Knights of the Old Republic
3. Super Mario Sunshine
6. God of War
2. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
7. Madden 2005
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man

A lot less matches have a clear winner if the stats don't exist.

But fifteen or so minutes in the winner is usually clear with or without the existance of the Extrapolated Standings. It's not that big a difference.
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I was owned and obliterated by Jman_gamerX8.
Congrats to him for winning the Summer 2005 Guru Contest!

he means in terms of board consensus pre-match. without the x-stats, -someone- takes Knuckles. without the x-stats, Kefka losing to TV is more of a shock. etc etc.
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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

Since Heroic Mario brought up PS1 games that sold over 8 million - Final Fantasy VIII sold 8.04 million copies.

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Second rule of war! He who holds the land can conquer heaven!

I'm sure I'm missing someone.

*cries*

although you never did participate : (
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb
Crushed by Jman_gamerX8 as badly as Link beat Cloud.

"yeah, I agree. Mario on shrooms was much more, well, intimidating before he got masamune'd."


I still think that had he gone up against Link directly, he would of looked ever worse than he does now, because of the SFF.

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Can't think of a good sig.

but I commented on the spread many times! it was all advertising for your contest.
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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

If Cjay did a this-gen contest than everyone would argue about whether the dreamcast and handhelds count or not.
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And as far as I'm concerned Squaresoft will always be the innovator in gaming. - the jp

I posted this in the Oracle stats, but I thought people here might be interested in it:

Most overestimated character of the contest: Sarah Kerrigan (+19.18)
Most underestimated character of the contest: Kirby (-9.17)

The amazing thing for Kirby is that that's the average over all of his matches - he was underestimated by 11.55% against Cecil, 8.84% against Tidus, and 6.13% against Bowser.
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SC2K5 and SpC2K5 First Vote Champion
Jman_gamerX8 kicked my ass in the Guru Contest.

Wow, I had the exact same idea as NewLib. Might as well post it anyway. By the way, Starcraft is NOT a next gen game.

Final Destination Division
1. SSBM
8. Operation Shadow

4. God of War
5. Madden 0X

3. Metal Gear Solid 3
6. Metroid Prime 2

2. Resident Evil 4
7. Lumines

Spira Division
1. Final Fantasy X
8. Katamari Damacy

4. Devil May Cry
5. Kirby Canvas Curse

3. Metroid Prime
6. Ninja Gaiden

2. GTA: San Andreas
7. Skies of Arcadia

Outset Island Division
1. Zelda WW
8. Tales of Symphonia

4. Metal Gear Solid 2
5. Soul Calibur

3. Diablo II
6. KOTOR

2. Halo
7. Nintendogs

Zanzibar Division
1. Halo 2
8. Fire Emblem: SS

4. Devil May Cry 3
5. Half-Life 2

3. GTA: Vice City
6. World of Warcraft

2. Kingdom Hearts
7. Super Mario Sunshine

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Nominate Jay Solano & Ifnkovhgroghprm for SC2K6!
Andross says: YOU'LL NEVER DEFEAT Jman_gamerX8 IN THE GURU CONTEST!

heh, ff10 vs. katamari damacy would be my final if I was doing a favourites bracket. nice.

for laughs, I calculated x-stats on GFA's bracket. check out these crazy numbers:

Sonic: 50.00
CATS: 50.00
Knuckles: 48.36
Magus: 47.68
Mario: 46.94
Mega Man: 43.07
Solid Snake: 42.87
Crono: 42.86
Sephiroth: 40.00
King of All Cosmos: 39.50
Geno: 39.25
Samus: 38.85
Master Chief: 38.64
Bowser: 38.63
Kefka: 38.19
Gordon Freeman: 38.08
Kirby: 37.90
Squall: 37.64
Link: 37.61
Leon: 36.63
Vincent: 36.38
Dante: 35.70
Yoshi: 34.65
Tidus: 34.62
Tifa: 33.70
Vyse: 33.28
Zero: 31.98
KOS-MOS: 31.01
Luigi: 30.35
DK: 30.21
Alucard: 29.52
Revolver Ocelot: 29.45
Zelda: 29.28
Cloud: 28.35
Laharl: 27.91
Manny: 27.77
Cecil: 27.64
Sora: 26.07
Kerrigan: 26.05
Diablo: 25.77
Ganondorf: 25.06
Pac-Man: 24.99
Joanna Dark: 24.76
Terra: 24.65
Frog: 24.54
Vivi: 24.37
Ryu: 23.68
Zidane: 23.28
Ness: 22.66
Auron: 22.47
Kratos Aurion: 22.45
Tommy Vercetti: 21.82
Rikku: 21.39
Lloyd: 21.32
Jin: 21.31
Conker: 20.92
Big Boss: 19.43
Chun Li: 18.90
Sam Fisher: 18.65
Agent 47: 17.82
Riku: 17.53
Wesker: 17.06
CJ: 16.03
Yuna: 15.47
Yuri: 15.34
Ryu Hayabusa: 15.23
Kratos: 14.55

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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

Guys, guys! I finished 17th! Woo!

Congrats to all other Board 8ers who got on the Top 50, too. Good contest for us, no?
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Mario is Winnar
MARIO WINS SUMMER 2005 TOURNAMENT.

Final Stage Division
1. Super Smash Brothers Melee
4. Metal Gear Solid 2
6. Diablo II
2. Kingdom Hearts

Aiur Division
1. Starcraft
4. Warcraft 3
3. Resident Evil 4
2. Halo

Tower of Gods Divison
1. Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
4. Metroid Prime
3. Metal Gear Solid 3
2. Final Fantasy X

Halo Division
1. Halo 2'
4. Half Life 2
3. Super Mario Sunshine
2. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas

Round 2

Final Stage Division
1. Super Smash Brothers Melee
6. Diablo II

Aiur Division
1. Starcraft
3. Resident Evil 4

Tower of Gods Divison
1. Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
2. Final Fantasy X

Halo Division
4. Half Life 2
2. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas

Round 3

Final Stage Division
1. Super Smash Brothers Meele

Aiur Division
3. Resident Evil 4

Tower of Gods Divison
2. Final Fantasy X

Halo Division
4. Half Life 2

Round 4

3. Resident Evil 4

VS

2. Final Fantasy X

WINNER: Resident Evil 4.

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When this happened, all of us got PWND by Smurf
http://www.freewebs.com/vgcg/Knuckles.jpg

I think the biggest argument would be where to place Samus and Ganon.

Ganondorf and his 4-pack are pretty easy to place. since Bowser's Spring value on Seph lined up with his Summer value on Seph, we can use Ganondorf's Spring value to adjust his 4-pack. that one's simple. now Samus is another story. i have no clue where to place her, although she should definitely not be placed ahead of Mario, seeing how, y'know, she LOST to Mario.

in fact, as far as i can tell, these are all the matches where SFF is suspected:

Mario vs. Samus
Samus vs. Ganondorf
Megaman vs. Yoshi
Yoshi vs. Pac-Man
Mario vs. Ness
possibly Solid Snake vs. Sora

the only one of those 6 matches i don't completely agree with having SFF is Snake/Sora. the 2 characters don't seem to have much in common. but, i do admit that it seems very suspicious to see Sora drop that much after getting a new game on a new system that sold very well and was pretty well received.


From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 9/23/2005 3:37:33 AM | Message Detail | #048
A lot less matches have a clear winner if the stats don't exist.
true. very true. but that's a very big if and there's really nothing we can do to destroy their existence now. except maybe bash their reliability into the ground, i suppose. but, we can still have good, close, unpredictable matches between characters who are close in the stats. plus, new characters add greatly to the unpredictability. unfortunately, many of the new characters were placed in wasted spots this year - against elites and near-elites that they had pretty much no chance to beat. plus, the stats can't predict shifts in the voting demograph.
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"Start wearing purple, for me now. All your sanity and wits, they will all vanish, i promise. It's just a matter of time..."

Yeah. Clearly Mario's jump this year was monsterous. But how monsterous? A 60-40 win over someone just doesn't happen if they're that close in stats, SFF or no SFF. At first I wanted to put Link 2004=2005. Even though most people would disagree, The fact that Link dropped almost 5% in his projected win over Mario from 2004 to 2005 indicates to me that he may not have increased much at all. But in doing that, Mario barely ends up higher than last year's Samus in the stats. And being barely .2 higher doesn't result in a 60-40 SFF match.... at least not to me. Samus could have dropped... but as it is, Frog is barely pushing 25 on BL with a static Samus. I'd hate to see the poor amphibian drop even more. Especially with Magus still looking pretty decent in the stats.

I suppose I could settle for a 42.5% Mario, and that he 60-40ed Samus because... "HE'S FRIGGIN MARIO" But... eh.
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Uh oh, they started moving their legs back and forth while standing in place. You're about to fight aren't you? - My friend watching me play FFT

And also, if you base Diablo on 2004 Link this year and use Ganondorf's performance on him in the Spring, Ganondorf ends at about 34.2%. Which coincidentally, is also what his performance with Samus puts him at assuming a static Samus. But that's if there was no SFF there. Which... isn't too hard to believe. SFF Legend of Zelda? No way punk!

I don't like the idea of him being lower than Bowser. But quite frankly, it just feels right to me.
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Uh oh, they started moving their legs back and forth while standing in place. You're about to fight aren't you? - My friend watching me play FFT

Or... perhaps a static Cloud to increase Link a little bit. Putting Mario at 43%.

Eh... whatever. I'm not the one that does this stuff.
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Uh oh, they started moving their legs back and forth while standing in place. You're about to fight aren't you? - My friend watching me play FFT

So... uh... what do we do now?

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Explicit Content. Prince of Persia for 2K6!
Cheer Up Emo Kids.

I'd also like to think Moltar for making the best match of this contest (Kefka/TV) even better with his goddamn barriers.

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Explicit Content. Prince of Persia for 2K6!
Cheer Up Emo Kids.

Sephiroth broke 45% on Link.Finally someone else except Cloud manages to do it.
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GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~

how many stat topics can we expect to fill in the off season?
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current goty:Advance wars duel strike
possible goty contenders: castlevania dos, we love katamari, mario kart ds

Personally, I think we'd fill in around one topic every three or so weeks.

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Warden: Talk! What is SeeD all about!?
Squall: ...Flower.

Alrighty, another contest for the books. Great.

So now it's time to argue adjustments for six months on end, eh? Let's see what I put on the table for now...

1 Link 52.97
2 Cloud Strife 50.39
3 Sephiroth 47.74
4 Samus Aran 42.36
5 Mario Mario 41.95
6 Crono 38.72
7 Megaman 37.67
8 Sonic the Hedgehog 37.39
9 Solid Snake 35.90
10 Bowser 35.48
11 Ganondorf Dragmire 34.18
12 Kirby 33.98
13 Zelda 32.73
14 Tifa Lockheart 32.60
15 Vincent Valentine 32.10
16 Squall Leonhart 31.72
17 Auron 31.38
18 Zero 31.16
19 Luigi Mario 30.41
20 Master Chief 29.98
21 Dante Sparda 29.53
22 Donkey Kong 29.51
23 Knuckles the Echidna 29.31
24 Ryu (SF) 29.02
25 Yoshi 29.01
26 Sora 28.93
27 Janus "Magus" Zeal 28.81
28 Tidus 28.77
29 Leon Kennedy 26.70
30 Yuna 26.52
31 Vivi Ornitier 26.47
32 Alucard Tepes 25.83
33 Rikku 25.77
34 Frog 25.37
35 Riku 24.52
36 Chun-Li 24.20
37 Diablo 23.53
38 Ryu Hayabusa 23.06
39 Kratos (GoW) 22.98
40 Ness 22.71
41 Tommy Vercetti 22.58
42 Gordon Freeman 22.13
43 Kefka Palazzo 22.07
44 Sam Fisher 20.79
45 KOS-MOS 20.69
46 Carl Johnson 20.38
47 Kratos Aurion 20.35
48 Pac-Man 20.30
49 Revolver Ocelot 19.79
50 CATS 18.68
51 Conker 18.06
52 Zidane Tribal 18.03
53 Big Boss 17.91
54 Jin Kazama 17.84
55 Agent 47 16.94
56 Cecil Harvey 16.85
57 Terra Branford 16.83
58 Lloyd Irving 16.63
59 Joanna Dark 15.99
60 Geno 15.96
61 King of all Cosmos 15.80
62 Laharl 15.28
63 Albert Wesker 15.11
64 Vyse 14.3
65 Sarah Kerrigan 13.48
66 Manny Calavera 11.43
67 Yuri Hyuga 10.74

After seeing what Cloud did, it just makes to sense to give Vincent a favor treatment. Either we adjust EVERYONE in the division, or we don't touch anything at all. Personally, I'm inkling towards the former... what I think happened is an rSFF cocktail with AC as the main ingredient. As has been said, the leak is much bigger than any of us could have imagined, and the fact is, Vincent faced an opponent that was much more prone to losing feathers to AC due to a considerable fanbase overlap. I say had Vincent faced Megaman or Sonic on the same day, he'd have lost worse despite AC. He just faced the perfect adversary.

And it's not like the other guys from the divisions would argue against it, either. Take Knuckles. Even adjusting through a constant Squall, which I did, his increase is even bigger than Sonic's, and I didn't even need to account for proportions! Furthermore, he'd get in the range of 44-45% against a very strong Snake, and the last time he faced that very strong Snake, he had 37% (and was kept below 30% with the first night vote, but that's another story for another day). Heck, he faced a weaker rendition of Snake twice and got in the vicinity of 40%. Also, Dante already beats Ryu with the adjustment, which can be put on DMC3... now imagine the clobbering Ryu'd be projected to take without that adjustment. Goes without saying, Magus looks a lot better than we thought after his loss as well, and look who's right behind him... another guy who had a close one with Ganondorf two years ago.

I could go on about other things I did... but there's not much discussion to be had there, since most people had the same reflex I did from the onset.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless

Looks good Slowflake, except that Samus above Mario is just wrong. I still think she could beat Crono, but she shouldn't be above someone who almost got 60% on her.
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When this happened, all of us got PWND by Smurf
http://www.freewebs.com/vgcg/Knuckles.jpg

As I said in the other topic, rigging the stats for cosmetic value is just wrong. Any adjustment that can be come up with either has her losing to Crono, or coming way too close to Sephiroth. That leaves the arbitrary, and I'm not even going into that.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless

There are serious issues with these rankings.


Samus above Mario is wrong.

Vince and Squall being so low, just doesnt feel right, even though they may be right... Its just feels like they are getting jipped.

and Perhaps Zero really is overrated.


KB

22 Donkey Kong 29.51
23 Knuckles the Echidna 29.31
24 Ryu (SF) 29.02

and this too, is shocking.


KB

Tell that to Knuckles and Dante. If anyone's getting jipped, it's certainly not them. I'm thinking they must be laughing their asses off that the worst-case scenario has them boosting like crazy.

Samus above Mario is wrong.

By 0.41? It's anything but wrong. Then again, it's anything but right... what do you suggest? Everything we could come up with has her either losing to Crono or coming dangerously close to Sephiroth.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless

Everything we could come up with has her either losing to Crono

Explain to me, why Crono couldn't possibly beat Samus? I just want to know :D
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When this happened, all of us got PWND by Smurf
http://www.freewebs.com/vgcg/Knuckles.jpg

Samus did not struggle at all through her division. On the other hand, Crono disappointed round after round... and he was already well below Samus beforehand.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless

By 0.41? It's anything but wrong. Then again, it's anything but right... what do you suggest? Everything we could come up with has her either losing to Crono or coming dangerously close to Sephiroth.

How about Frog = MC 2k3? That makes the most sense, IMO.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.
Congrats to Jman, for knowing that on GameFAQs, men are always > women.

How about Frog = MC 2k3? That makes the most sense, IMO.

There's just a little problem with that... IT MAKES SAMUS SKYROCKET.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless

Those stats look good, Slow. And it makes the bracket for my SC2K6 fanfic look damn good, too.
I had matches like Vivi/Yuna, Kratos(GOW)/Kefka and Kirby/Ganondorf before the stats were even starting to be made

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BLAAHAHEHAHRHAJHEKLAKHHEWUHG!!!!!~!!1?? -Tombs
Benito Mussolini has saved my couple. -Mel Gibson

I've got afew more ToC-related fun-facts:


1) As a friendly reminder, Cloud, Sephiroth, and Mario are the three most impressive losers. That's already been said by me though, so that's no surprise.


2) Link, in his two matches against Cloud and Sephiroth (who are the second and third strongest in the contest, may I remind you), tallied more votes than anybody who didn't make it to the Sweet Sixteen. Sephiroth, in his two matches against Mario and Link, also accomplished that (by a total of 261 votes; Luigi's hot on his heels).


3) Of those who made the Sweet Sixteen, Link still got more total votes against Cloud and Sephiroth than the following in their first two matches:

--Zero, who faced Ryu Hayabusa and Lloyd Irving.
--Ganondorf, who faced Yuna and Auron.
--Sora, who faced Agent 47 and Alucard.
--Kirby, who faced Cecil and Tidus.
--Bowser, who faced Chun-Li and Ryu.
--Master Chief, who faced CATS and Donkey Kong.
--Squall, who faced Geno and Knuckles.

Out of that list of seven, Sephiroth also got more votes in his two matches against Mario and Link than Sora or MC got in their first two matches.


3) Mario, the character who got the lowest vote total in the ToC (as well as being the weakest in the ToC), got 50,598 votes in his loss against Sephiroth. Lloyd, Frog, Alucard, Vercetti, Diablo, Pac-Man, MC, Bowser, Vincent, and Mega Man (10 characters) have all won matches this year while getting less than 50,598 votes against weaker characters. To add to that, Sephiroth had 53,628 votes in his loss to Link; besides the characters already mentioned, Knuckles, Sora, Squall, Solid, and Crono (15 characters) have won matches this year where they had less than 53,628 votes against weaker characters. Then, to go even further, Cloud had 56,724 votes in his lost to Link; on top of all the characters already said, Ness, Donkey Kong, Leon Kennedy, Ganondorf, Tifa, Samus, and even Mario (22 characters) have won matches this year where they had less than 56,724 votes against weaker characters.

Keep in mind only 34 characters ever had a victory in this contest.


4) Link had 62,541 votes in his victory over Cloud, the second strongest in the contest. Mario, Samus, Ganon, Auron, Solid Snake, Kirby, Tidus, Bowser, MC, Crono, Dante, Vincent, Squall, Sonic, Tifa, Luigi, Mega Man, Yoshi, and Zero (19 characters) have won matches this year where they had more than 62,541 votes against weaker characters. In Link's victory against Sephiroth, the third strongest in the contest, he had 65,397 votes. From the characters listed above, only MC doesn't make the cut (now 18 characters) of having won a match with 65,397 votes or more against weaker characters.

Keep in mind the comparison of strength between Cloud/Sephiroth and the likes of Joanna, Ness, Lloyd, Yuri, Frog, Yuna, Big Boss, Manny, Cecil, KoaC, Chun-Li, Zidane, Vercetti, Terra, Kerrigan, Geno, Jin, Vyse, KOS-MOS, Conker, and Laharl.



Clinkeroth: Pure Dominance.
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Much like priest-sex, Jman_gamerX8 molested gurus by the hundreds.
Congrats, for your dominance has now been compared to priest-sex.

There's just a little problem with that... IT MAKES SAMUS SKYROCKET.

Looks good to me.

>_>
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.
Congrats to Jman, for knowing that on GameFAQs, men are always > women.

By 0.41? It's anything but wrong. Then again, it's anything but right... what do you suggest? Everything we could come up with has her either losing to Crono or coming dangerously close to Sephiroth.

I am no number expert.

I'd rather use Logic.

I dont know if Samus would beat Megaman, let alone Crono.

She breezed through her division which wasnt all that strong. Ganon may be elite, but he stills seems a bit overrated.

But her preformance on Mario was poor.

I dont think SFF would make up for more than 10%

I would logically think her strength is somewhere at around 45% on Mario.

Which puts her a bit below Crono, and somewhere around megaman.

I would love to see MM and Samus in a match.

but again... I have no logic and intelligence at all.

KB

Here's a few numbers I have.

Cloud and Crono seem to be constant this year.
Using different numbers I've concluded that without SFF Samus would lose to Mario 49% to just barely winning.
Pac-Man is now above Kefka (though whether or not he can beat all the characters weaker then him is questionable)
Link has gotten stronger
Bowser may be overrated
Through Auron Ness is ranked below Kefka
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I dont think SFF would make up for more than 10%

It most definitely did in the case of Aeris/Sora. Estimates have it being around 14%, actually. Of course, it looked highly unlikely that Sora of all people would be one to get SFFed by Aeris, which is why we all flocked to Hayabusa last year. See what that gave?

If Aeris can inflict 14% of SFF on Sora, Mario sure as hell can inflict 10% of SFF on Samus. And Aeris isn't half the gaming legend Mario is, I'll have you know.
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Cloud and Crono seem to be constant this year.
Using different numbers I've concluded that without SFF Samus would lose to Mario 49% to just barely winning.
Pac-Man is now above Kefka (though whether or not he can beat all the characters weaker then him is questionable)
Link has gotten stronger
Bowser may be overrated
Through Auron Ness is ranked below Kefka

Wow, I'd love to see your numbers. I have absolutely none of that stuff.
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If Aeris can inflict 14% of SFF on Sora, Mario sure as hell can inflict 10% of SFF on Samus. And Aeris isn't half the gaming legend Mario is, I'll have you know.

And Sora wasnt even 1/4 the character as Samus.

I have a hard time believing a character as strong as Samus could be SFF'D so hard.


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